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Goat Roper - 16 Jun 2004 13:32 GMT
My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
the floor and take off as if I had caught them stealing off the dinner
table.

It's like they saw something that startled them that was not visible to me!

Is there a reason for this?
Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 13:53 GMT
circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:32:50 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Goat Roper (xxxxx@sssss.fffff) said,
> My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
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>
> Is there a reason for this?

Instructions from the mothership.

Laura
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Vee - 22 Jun 2004 17:51 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> > walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
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>
> Laura

<delurk> Whoooop!!!! 8)))

Only arrived here today. When I have done reading the thousands of headers
and a lot of the posts, I will probably ask my question.
<back to lurking - expect to have read all by about September>

Vee
Hailey - 22 Jun 2004 18:32 GMT
>  <delurk> Whoooop!!!! 8)))
>
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>
> Vee

**giggles**
It will take longer, cus they just keep piling up :)
Welcome, Vee! There are some great people here and a lot of fun reading as
well as interesting and informative. Lots of people with lots of insights :)

Hailey
Vee - 23 Jun 2004 00:45 GMT
> >  <delurk> Whoooop!!!! 8)))
> >
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> well as interesting and informative. Lots of people with lots of insights
:)

I did a search for 'over-fed' and 'plump' and 'tubby,' Then gave up and
looked for 'great bloated lump' and 'rather like a pot-bellied pig only
going meow,' but had no luck. I read a couple of hundred then used Mark.

It is a very cheerful group, by the read of it. 8)
For your info, I am middle-aged female, grey and grumpy, living right in the
middle of England in a well built-up housing area. All cats round here are
'hop out the window and let's go terrorising' kinds of animals. The local
dogs, I am pleased to announce, are terrified of all of them - even when
walking past on their leads with their owners to protect them.

vee.
Laura R. - 23 Jun 2004 02:23 GMT
circa Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:45:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said,

> I did a search for 'over-fed' and 'plump' and 'tubby,' Then gave up and
> looked for 'great bloated lump' and 'rather like a pot-bellied pig only
> going meow,' but had no luck.

I assume you were looking for information about cats (I'm guessing
similar to your own)? ;-)

>  I read a couple of hundred then used Mark.

Did Mark mind? <G>

> It is a very cheerful group, by the read of it. 8)

Occasional troll infestations and spats aside, this is definitely one
of the more pleasant groups on Usenet.

> For your info, I am middle-aged female, grey and grumpy, living right in the
> middle of England in a well built-up housing area. All cats round here are
> 'hop out the window and let's go terrorising' kinds of animals. The local
> dogs, I am pleased to announce, are terrified of all of them - even when
> walking past on their leads with their owners to protect them.

In the spirit of introductions, I'm a thirty-something female, blonde
(starting to find white hairs in there) and grumpy, currently a bit
gimpy, living in Brooklyn (New York City, New York State, United
States, Earth, etc.) in a neighborhood full of brownstones and other
charming buildings. All the cats around here are kept inside except
for a couple of stray/feral/I-don't-know-whats, and for the most
part, they seem to scare off the infamous NY rat population. Not that
I've not seen my share of rats running around, mind you, but most of
'em have been in the subways rather than outside my building. The
dogs here tend to be larger than the little pocket-puppies everywhere
on the Upper East Side, but that's because the living spaces here are
larger, too. My three cats are geriatric and wouldn't know what to do
with themselves outside, and as of Thursday, I'll be adopting two
lovely young cats (2.5-ish years old) from a family that is moving to
the UK.

Welcome!

Laura

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Vee - 23 Jun 2004 10:55 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > It is a very cheerful group, by the read of it. 8)
>
> Occasional troll infestations and spats aside, this is definitely one
> of the more pleasant groups on Usenet.

Yes, I noticed, and enjoyed, the spitting and hissing attacks.

> > For your info, I am middle-aged female, grey and grumpy, living right in the
> > middle of England in a well built-up housing area. All cats round here are
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> gimpy, living in Brooklyn (New York City, New York State, United
> States, Earth, etc.)

Yo! I have never addressed a real New Yorker before!

In common with most 'ordinary' people here in the UK we all know what it is
like living in America because we see so much of it on TV. 8)
New York is Sesame Street. Everything else is either California, or a small
town surrounded by delightful countryside only the devil lives in a big hole
just behind those old mine-workings. Hold on - or you live in a desert and
have UFOs in your back garden.

in a neighborhood full of brownstones and other
> charming buildings. All the cats around here are kept inside

I find this curious and disturbing. It is a practice practically unknown
over here. I do understand though that a cat brought up in this way is just
as healthy - probably more so - as our roam free and defend their territory
and gobble up anything they are lucky enough to catch, kind of cat.
I ake no excuses for what some people call 'cruel cats'. They are cats,
acting like cats.  Mummy taught them to hunt, so they hunt. That's all there
is to it.

except
> for a couple of stray/feral/I-don't-know-whats, and for the most
> part, they seem to scare off the infamous NY rat population. Not that
> I've not seen my share of rats running around, mind you, but most of
> 'em have been in the subways rather than outside my building.

I have! Walking down the road when a great sleek rat darted out from behind
a bush and slithered down a drain. No reports of local cats ever catching
one, though...
We also have squirrels and foxes and the usual assorment of small, brown,
half-eaten mamals.

The
> dogs here tend to be larger than the little pocket-puppies everywhere
> on the Upper East Side, but that's because the living spaces here are
> larger, too. My three cats are geriatric and wouldn't know what to do
> with themselves outside, and as of Thursday, I'll be adopting two
> lovely young cats (2.5-ish years old) from a family that is moving to
> the UK.

Gosh. And all indoors? I bow my head in respect. How DO they divide up their
territory?

> Welcome!

Thak you. 8)
My web site is bare at the moment, but I usually have a cat page (don;t we
all, who own cats?). On the whole when I look at other people's webs, and
see some of the beautiful animals out there, I am consumed with envy. Two
cats is more than enough for this small house but in my heart I would like
more - and ducks. I would love to be able to keep ducks. When God designed
the domestic cat he was thinking of style. When he designed a duck he was
giggling.

Vee.
Laura R. - 23 Jun 2004 19:31 GMT
circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:55:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said,

> "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > > It is a very cheerful group, by the read of it. 8)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Yes, I noticed, and enjoyed, the spitting and hissing attacks.

They help us keep our claws sharp.

> Yo! I have never addressed a real New Yorker before!

Ah, well I'm an adopted New Yorker, so I don't have the "Yo" and
"Youse" stuff down yet, but I definitely have the attitude.

> In common with most 'ordinary' people here in the UK we all know what it is
> like living in America because we see so much of it on TV. 8)
> New York is Sesame Street. Everything else is either California, or a small
> town surrounded by delightful countryside only the devil lives in a big hole
> just behind those old mine-workings. Hold on - or you live in a desert and
> have UFOs in your back garden.

That about covers things.

> in a neighborhood full of brownstones and other
> > charming buildings. All the cats around here are kept inside
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> acting like cats.  Mummy taught them to hunt, so they hunt. That's all there
> is to it.

In New York, letting one's cats outside is just begging for trouble.
There is just too much danger for cats in the city. I do know that
it's very common in the UK to let one's cats outside; nay, it seems
to be the norm. However, in most parts of the US, it's just not
feasible to let one's cats outside. And it's sometimes a hotly
debated topic hereabouts. :-)

> except
> > for a couple of stray/feral/I-don't-know-whats, and for the most
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> We also have squirrels and foxes and the usual assorment of small, brown,
> half-eaten mamals.

Most of the dead critters I see in NY have either been squashed by
cars or killed by poison. Or, in the case of chickens, sacrificed on
the steps to my subway station. Really.

> The
> > dogs here tend to be larger than the little pocket-puppies everywhere
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Gosh. And all indoors? I bow my head in respect. How DO they divide up their
> territory?

I am lucky to have a large apartment, which is a rarity in this city,
and my beasties have had many years to grow accustomed to each other.
Their territory is shared with remarkable equanimity, thankfully. I'm
sure that there will be some jostling for turf with the new arrivals,
but it will work itself out over time. :-)

> > Welcome!
> >
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> cats is more than enough for this small house but in my heart I would like
> more

Wouldn't we all?

> - and ducks. I would love to be able to keep ducks. When God designed
> the domestic cat he was thinking of style. When he designed a duck he was
> giggling.

And when he designed the platypus, he was peeing his pants laughing.

Laura

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Mary - 23 Jun 2004 20:10 GMT
> "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > > It is a very cheerful group, by the read of it. 8)
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>
> Yes, I noticed, and enjoyed, the spitting and hissing attacks.

Yep, I like you just fine! ;)
Vee - 24 Jun 2004 10:03 GMT
> > "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > > > It is a very cheerful group, by the read of it. 8)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Yep, I like you just fine! ;)

Baaaad Pussy cat!  Go and sit in the corner!

Oh, flame wars. I defy anyone to find a group that doesn't have them now and
then. Gosh, I have been responsible for starting a few myself.  I can manage
reading most things with a wry smile, but uneeded four letter words send me
into orbit.
This, I have been told, is a culture thing or because I am pushing sixty
(how the heck does age have anything to do with it?)I have also been told to
'grow up' and 'get real'. In practice, I can let go verbally myself with
gusto when seriously roused but I certainly wouldn;t do it in the middle of
a (say) crowded room, filled with pepole I do not really know. Like usenet.
However, I don't attack unless someone calls me bad names first - usually.

The last offering was 'What a spiteful, vindictive bitch you are...' Oh boy!
I enjoyed answering that one. 8)
It wasn't true BTW. Just a result of posts being a bad indication of tones
of voice unless you scatter smileys all over the place.
Just take it as read that I am generally in a good mood and hearty and don;t
mean to offend - people can soon tell when I do.

Ah well.   Vee
Laura R. - 24 Jun 2004 13:34 GMT
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:03:38 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said,

> > Yep, I like you just fine! ;)
> >
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> Just take it as read that I am generally in a good mood and hearty and don;t
> mean to offend - people can soon tell when I do.

Well, now I like you just fine, too.

BTW, I've noticed that many Brits eschew emoticons. ;-)

Laura
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Mary - 24 Jun 2004 17:33 GMT
> Baaaad Pussy cat!  Go and sit in the corner!

I already am. The problem is, there's a computer in my corner!

> Oh, flame wars. I defy anyone to find a group that >doesn't have them now
and then. Gosh, I have been >responsible for starting a few myself.  I can
manage
> reading most things with a wry smile, but uneeded four >letter words send
me into orbit.This, I have been told, is >a culture thing or because I am
pushing sixty (how the >heck does age have anything to do with it?)

I don't think age does have anything to do with it. We all have our
"buttons" that, when pushed, send us into orbit. For example, what does it
for me is stupidity that, in action, has the same ultimate result as
maliciousness. I really don't care whether the person involved has a brain
that works but won't use it, or has a brain with, say, some limitations.
Combine this with actions that amount to the abuse of power (such as the
power humans have over other creatures due to opposable thumbs and a larger
forebrain) and I will take aim and fire. Often with the very words that send
you, and others, into orbit.

My stance is, we have many reasons for our reactions to things, and I cannot
see even beginning to attempt to justify those reactions. (It isn't any more
"right" that I hate moronic bullies, in other words, than it is "right" that
you hate foul language. It isn't any more wrong, either. We just hate what
we hate.)

Because of the subjective nature of our likes and dislikes, if there is one
rule, it must be that nobody is allowed to suppress or censor ANY reaction
that is merely made of words. As long as you and I are free to read or not
read, then nobody is getting hurt. It is when anyone is getting forced to do
anything that things go wrong, in my opinion.
No censorship is allowed!

>I have also been told to 'grow up' and 'get real'. In >practice, I can let
go verbally myself with gusto when >seriously roused but I certainly
wouldn;t do it in the >middle of a (say) crowded room, filled with pepole I
do >not really know. Like usenet.

I admire good manners and gentle people. I always will, too. And I hope the
only violence I ever do another creature is verbal. I wish that were the
case everywhere. In the middle east, for example. Everybody facing off and
just swearing their heads off. It beats the hell out of blowing people up.

> However, I don't attack unless someone calls me bad names first - usually.
>
> The last offering was 'What a spiteful, vindictive bitch you are...' Oh
boy! I enjoyed answering that one. 8)

LOL! I would too! And that brings me to this simple admission: I have no
doubt that my insistence on "venting" in any way I wish, verbally, that is,
amounts to sheer selfish indulgence. It makes me feel better. No
justification, just fact.
Laura R. - 24 Jun 2004 19:42 GMT
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:33:44 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> LOL! I would too! And that brings me to this simple admission: I have no
> doubt that my insistence on "venting" in any way I wish, verbally, that is,
> amounts to sheer selfish indulgence. It makes me feel better.

Better to let it out than to stew it. :-)

Laura
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Mary - 24 Jun 2004 22:59 GMT
> circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:33:44 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > LOL! I would too! And that brings me to this simple admission: I have no
doubt that my insistence on "venting" in any way I wish, verbally, that is,
amounts to sheer selfish indulgence. It makes me feel better.

> Better to let it out than to stew it. :-)

I think so, and the thing is, not only can I dish it out,
but I can take it, too. If everyone would just be straightforward life would
be a lot simpler.
Laura R. - 25 Jun 2004 04:44 GMT
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:59:53 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> If everyone would just be straightforward life would
> be a lot simpler.

I have no patience for inability to 'cut to the chase', so to speak.
It drives me absolutely batty. Hemming and hawing and beating around
the bush just makes the whole experience longer and more painful for
all involved. :-)

Laura
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Vee - 26 Jun 2004 09:20 GMT
> circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:59:53 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
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>
> Laura

Oh, come to my arms! I agree absolutely.
For a few years I visited a family where the couple believed in 'talking
things over in a sensible manner.' In practice, I disovered this meant, that
if you disagreed with anything the woman said, then she sat you down and
talked at you until you changed your mind.
She was the one being reasonable. If you continued to disagree, the you were
either 'in denial' (such a useful term!) or 'didn;t fully understand the
problem.'

My method of solving disagreement by a good argument, thrashing out the
details, bouncing about, and, if it was a good argument, yelling, was a Bad
Thing and solved nothing.
Actually it does. Just because I don;t mind noise it doesn;t mean I intend
to be right come what may. Sometimes I come out on top, sometimes I give in.
Winning/losing  an argument is a BAD THING. One should reach a compromise.

Yers. I saw that in action. Her compromise. She made her victories sound as
if the other person had won. Very clever. Very clever indeed, but I didn;t
think it was very honest, to be truthful. I grew to dislike her 'just lapped
up all the cream' attitude, quite a lot. I no longer visit. 8)

I am happy now.  V.

V
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 04:11 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:20:22 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said,
> > > If everyone would just be straightforward life would
> > > be a lot simpler.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> I am happy now.  V.

I can't stand all that passive-aggressive pseudo-psychological bunk.
Give me a good knock-down-drag-out-clear-the-air argument over that
any time. Don't get me wrong- if a logical discussion is warranted
and feasible, I'm all for it. Just don't give me that touchy-feely
crap. :-)

Laura
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Veronica - 27 Jun 2004 10:10 GMT
> > I am happy now.  V.
> >
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> and feasible, I'm all for it. Just don't give me that touchy-feely
> crap. :-)

Oh bliss! I KNEW I wasn't the only person in the world who was badly
mistaken.

But the very word 'logical' is fraught with problems. Whose logic? Yours, or
theirs - or Mr Spock's?

V.
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 19:56 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:10:18 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
> > > I am happy now.  V.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> But the very word 'logical' is fraught with problems. Whose logic? Yours, or
> theirs - or Mr Spock's?

Mine, of course. Which usually resembles Mr. Spock's. :-)

Laura
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Veronica - 27 Jun 2004 21:03 GMT
> circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:10:18 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> >
> Mine, of course. Which usually resembles Mr. Spock's. :-)

Well as long as your ears don't...

V
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 21:38 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
> > > Oh bliss! I KNEW I wasn't the only person in the world who was badly
> > > mistaken.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >
> Well as long as your ears don't...

Nope. Sadly, I didn't get his cool eyebrows, either.

Laura
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Veronica - 27 Jun 2004 23:08 GMT
> circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> >
> Nope. Sadly, I didn't get his cool eyebrows, either.

Tut! Where is your spirit of adventure?
Wax, dear. Wax and a pot of black paint.

Let me know how it turns out. >8^)

V
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 00:07 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:08:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,

> > > > Mine, of course. Which usually resembles Mr. Spock's. :-)
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Let me know how it turns out. >8^)

Hm. I'm not sure it worked. Am I supposed to look like a drag queen?

Laura
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Veronica - 28 Jun 2004 09:23 GMT
> circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:08:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> >
> Hm. I'm not sure it worked. Am I supposed to look like a drag queen?

Start a fashion trend. You want me to send the rubber ears?

I say!  Taken me ages to read new posts in here this morning. What a lot of
hissing and spitting going on. Is it always like this?
Not that I am tutting... 8)

Vee
Mary - 28 Jun 2004 13:43 GMT
> > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:08:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> hissing and spitting going on. Is it always like this?
> Not that I am tutting... 8)

It emerges every now and then. I never take any of it personally. I can't
stand Megan due to her very tone, and have recoiled at her posts since first
reading this group, and of course had to tell her so. :-) So she has to come
out and say "I can't stand Mary" and I say "I don't care" and then everyone
continues as they always have. Think of it as a dance. And just skip over
the posts of those you don't care to read. That's what I usually do unless
I'm in the mood to tear some sanctimonious halfwit a new ... er ... earhole.
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 16:40 GMT
circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:23:22 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
> > > > > > Mine, of course. Which usually resembles Mr. Spock's. :-)
> > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> hissing and spitting going on. Is it always like this?
> Not that I am tutting... 8)

No, today is special. Usually the hissing and spitting only lasts a
moment.

Laura
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Vee - 24 Jun 2004 23:09 GMT
(how the >heck does age have anything to do with it?)

> I don't think age does have anything to do with it. We all have our
> "buttons" that, when pushed, send us into orbit. For example, what does it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> forebrain) and I will take aim and fire. Often with the very words that send
> you, and others, into orbit.

Ah but you have just typed 9 lines there and I see nothing to raise my
eyebrows. I can see, gosh... at least twenty-five places where a swearer
would have inserted something suitable - without even thinking it was bad;
that's what makes me cringe.

> My stance is, we have many reasons for our reactions to things, and I cannot
> see even beginning to attempt to justify those reactions. (It isn't any more
> "right" that I hate moronic bullies, in other words, than it is "right" that
> you hate foul language. It isn't any more wrong, either. We just hate what
> we hate.)

I am with you on the power-trip thing. I wag a lonely flag when it comes to
bad language.

> Because of the subjective nature of our likes and dislikes, if there is one
> rule, it must be that nobody is allowed to suppress or censor ANY reaction
> that is merely made of words. As long as you and I are free to read or not
> read, then nobody is getting hurt. It is when anyone is getting forced to do
> anything that things go wrong, in my opinion.
> No censorship is allowed!

Ahh. Now you have it, and a fine argument we could all make of it as well.
'Free not to read,' is what the ... you know I can't think of the right
word. Plonk button, sounds completely wrong. Adding a rule to a name,
anyway.
I always think 'would I invite this person into my house for coffee?' Which
isn;t all that bad, really, saying no.
Would I cross over the road to talk to this person? is a bit more sniffy and
nose in the air.
Then finally:  Would I run and hide if I saw this person walking towards me?
They are the ones who end up under a rule, as a rule.
If I know that most of the time what i read will make me slobber, then I
kill em. I might miss a few genuine words of wisdom, but it keeps me cool.

> >I have also been told to 'grow up' and 'get real'. In >practice, I can let
> go verbally myself with gusto when >seriously roused but I certainly
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I admire good manners and gentle people. I always will, too. And I hope the
> only violence I ever do another creature is verbal.

And what of people who quite enjoy a bit of verbal violence? (Blame it on my
stars) A thing isn;t worth doing if it isn;t worth doing with a great waving
about of arms, and grand guestures - a dramatic speech with much tearing of
hair helps, as well. Put me on a stage mind, and I freeze. Vocal uproar and
cries of vengeance comes naturally to some people - why am I thinking of
Maria Callas?

I wish that were the
> case everywhere. In the middle east, for example. Everybody facing off and
> just swearing their heads off. It beats the hell out of blowing people up.

Like the original Druids before history started tarting them up, you mean?
The best slanger-offer of each tribe going at it hammer and tongs. When one
backs down, red faced and incoherent with rage, they have lost.
Sounds fun.  It was my ex taught me 'Yaw! Your mother wears army boots!'
which is wasted in the UK, but I still say it now and then.

> > However, I don't attack unless someone calls me bad names first - usually.
> >
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> amounts to sheer selfish indulgence. It makes me feel better. No
> justification, just fact.

YES!!!  Oh, you sound like me! That wonderful feeling when all the stops are
pulled out and your brain starts working ten times faster than your mouth?
Bliss.
But it is a dangerous and humiliating tool at times. I haven;t given a
good, real-life dressing down for years. Sigh... People avoid me, you see. I
can;t imagine why.

Vee -
Laura R. - 25 Jun 2004 19:16 GMT
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:16 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said,
> you know I can't think of the right
> word. Plonk button, sounds completely wrong. Adding a rule to a name,
> anyway.

Killfile. :-)

Laura
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Laura R. - 23 Jun 2004 02:09 GMT
circa Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:51:44 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said,
> > > It's like they saw something that startled them that was not visible to
> me!
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>
> Vee

LOL! (and I never post "LOL" <G>)

Looking forward to seeing what else you have to say. ;-)

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kaeli - 16 Jun 2004 14:15 GMT
> My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> It's like they saw something that startled them that was not visible to me!
> Is there a reason for this?

Ghosts.  ;)

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Mary - 16 Jun 2004 16:38 GMT
> > My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> > walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Ghosts.  ;)

You haven't lived until you've lived alone with a cat and had her, always
late at night of course, suddenly stare with great interest at a closet, or
a window. Honestly I think Gnarly did this just to scare the crap out of me.
PawsForThought - 16 Jun 2004 17:13 GMT
>From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com

>> > Is there a reason for this?
>>
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>late at night of course, suddenly stare with great interest at a closet, or
>a window. Honestly I think Gnarly did this just to scare the crap out of me.

LMAO!  Cats love to use us for entertainment purposes :)
BTW, I had a cat that would stare for hours at this particular cabinet.  Then
one day I came home to find her with a mouse.  Apparently it came in from
outside into that cupboard.

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Mary - 16 Jun 2004 20:09 GMT
"PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> wrote> LMAO!  Cats love to use us
for entertainment purposes :)
> BTW, I had a cat that would stare for hours at this particular cabinet.
Then one day I came home to find her with a mouse.  Apparently it came in
from outside into that cupboard.

Lauren,

The one time I found Cheeky staring intently under the couch, I moved it
saying "See, nothing there!" only to find a tiny chipmunk crouched flat and
trying to be invisible. this led to a wild chase with the chippie jumping
under the high fourposter and Cheeks following and me diving under too
screaming "NOOOOO CHEEKY! NOOOO!" The chipmunk had somehow come up through
the ventilating system and out a bathroom vent. I never did catch him--he
lived behind my dressing table for an evening, then was gone the next
morning. I think he found his way back out, otherwise I would have *smelled*
him. I stopped chasing for fear of giving the baby a heart attack and just
shut the cat out of my bedroom.
MadHatter - 16 Jun 2004 17:24 GMT
>> > My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when
>just
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>late at night of course, suddenly stare with great interest at a closet, or
>a window. Honestly I think Gnarly did this just to scare the crap out of me.

sometimes, for no apparent reason, after sitting quietly,  they start
hopping sideways, all puffed up, in attack position.  there's nothing
or no one around, they are in an empty living room, but theya re
acting like there's a rabid dog attacking their kittens.  yep, my
kitty is having another one of those hallucinations.

-L
Mary - 16 Jun 2004 20:10 GMT
"MadHatter" <devil_m@y_care.lost> wrote > >sometimes, for no apparent
reason, after sitting quietly,  >they start hopping sideways, all puffed up,
in attack >osition.  there's nothing or no one around, they are in an >empty
living room, but they are ting like there's a rabid >dog attacking their
kittens.  >
> -L

LOL!! I think this is so cute. There is just so much to love about them!
kaeli - 16 Jun 2004 19:05 GMT
> You haven't lived until you've lived alone with a cat and had her, always
> late at night of course, suddenly stare with great interest at a closet, or
> a window. Honestly I think Gnarly did this just to scare the crap out of me.

*ROTFLMAO*

<scrappy squirrel>
Now, THAT'S comedy.
</scrappy squirrel>

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Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 20:49 GMT
circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:38:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> You haven't lived until you've lived alone with a cat and had her, always
> late at night of course, suddenly stare with great interest at a closet, or
> a window. Honestly I think Gnarly did this just to scare the crap out of me.

It's the bogeyman...

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Yngver - 16 Jun 2004 21:02 GMT
>Mary" rosefan@email.com wrote:

>> > My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when
>just
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>late at night of course, suddenly stare with great interest at a closet, or
>a window. Honestly I think Gnarly did this just to scare the crap out of me.

You know, cats really can see and hear things we can't. They have better
eyesight in some ways--better motion vision and better night vision--and much
better hearing. I've read that in fact cats' hearing is even better than a
dog's. It shouldn't really surprise us all that much that cats detect things we
can't.

Sometimes when our cats do this, eventually, we may be able to sharpen our
perception enough to see a tiny moth or bug on the wall. Or as Lauren
described, a mouse behind the cupboard.
jamie - 17 Jun 2004 08:04 GMT
> Sometimes when our cats do this, eventually, we may be able to sharpen our
> perception enough to see a tiny moth or bug on the wall. Or as Lauren
> described, a mouse behind the cupboard.

Poor old Gideon has always been vary nearsighted.  He's always had an
odd habit of jumping at lightswitches in the hall from time to time.
I think in his nearsightedness, he mistakes them for bugs on the wall.

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Sunflower - 16 Jun 2004 15:15 GMT
> My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Is there a reason for this?

Mine will do this for the tiniest gnat or mosquito.  Then sometimes they
come racing back and execute a perfect 5' vertical jump and roll after
something I can't even see.  I call it their "Jackie Chan Cat Olympics".
Cat Protector - 16 Jun 2004 16:59 GMT
Isis does this on occasion. I used to think it was because of the air
conditioning and it got a little too cold for her. But since cats spend
plenty of time in the astral then perhaps they see something we don't
ordinarily see. I'll have to ask Isis about this.

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> My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Is there a reason for this?
Sherry - 16 Jun 2004 17:50 GMT
>Isis does this on occasion. I used to think it was because of the air
>conditioning and it got a little too cold for her. But since cats spend
>plenty of time in the astral then perhaps they see something we don't
>ordinarily see. I'll have to ask Isis about this.

Do that, and get back with us. Or better yet, just have Isis post herself and
cut out the middle man.

Sherry
Yngver - 16 Jun 2004 20:48 GMT
>>Isis does this on occasion. I used to think it was because of the air
>>conditioning and it got a little too cold for her. But since cats spend
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Do that, and get back with us. Or better yet, just have Isis post herself and
>cut out the middle man.

Yes, I expect Isis would make a lot more sense than the middle man ever does.
Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 20:56 GMT
circa 16 Jun 2004 19:48:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Yngver
(yngver@aol.comnospam) said,
> >>Isis does this on occasion. I used to think it was because of the air
> >>conditioning and it got a little too cold for her. But since cats spend
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >
> Yes, I expect Isis would make a lot more sense than the middle man ever does.

Yes, but so would a gerbil with a keyboard.

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Cathy Friedmann - 16 Jun 2004 21:10 GMT
> >Isis does this on occasion. I used to think it was because of the air
> >conditioning and it got a little too cold for her. But since cats spend
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sherry

;-D

Cathy
Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 19:08 GMT
circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:59:13 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,
> Isis does this on occasion. I used to think it was because of the air
> conditioning and it got a little too cold for her. But since cats spend
> plenty of time in the astral then perhaps they see something we don't
> ordinarily see. I'll have to ask Isis about this.

<Twilight Zone theme music>

Ask her to find you a good shrink while she's there.

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MadHatter - 16 Jun 2004 17:12 GMT
>My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
>walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Is there a reason for this?

they are playing.  they "scare" themselves.  that's the only thing i
can come up with to explain y cat's behavior.

-L
RobZip - 16 Jun 2004 18:23 GMT
> It's like they saw something that startled them that was not visible to me!
>
> Is there a reason for this?

My theory is that cats have a wayward body chemistry. Amongst all the
adrenalin, hormones, etc comes an occasional burst of a substance similar to
mescaline. Having a homebrew psychedelic launched into the system without
warning produces predictable results.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 16 Jun 2004 18:35 GMT
>My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
>walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Is there a reason for this?

10 O'clock crazies is what I call it.
Hailey - 17 Jun 2004 09:46 GMT
LOL I just love this group. These answers are priceless! Someone should
write a book. Oh, probably have LOL

Thanks for the chuckles. Sleepless night, so much appreciated :)

Hails

My cats will often, both while fighting with a piece of paper and when just
> walking down the hall, look up at a bare wall and jump about two feet off
> the floor and take off as if I had caught them stealing off the dinner
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Is there a reason for this?
 
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