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Kitten peeing in her bed? How do I stop this?

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Eden - 15 Jun 2004 08:59 GMT
My husband and I acquired a 4 week old kitten a few days ago.  I am in
the process of trying to litter train her, which is proving difficult.
She seems to have a thing for towels (I think?)  I have been making
her a bed with towels, and she keeps peeing on it.  I also put a towel
on her litterbox with litter over it, so she'd link the two together,
but why does she keep peeing in her own bed?  She SLEEPS there?  I'm
surprised she'd soil it.

Any suggestions on training her not to use her bed?  I should note
that she's currently living on our ground floor which is tiled, and I
don't want to take the bedding away because I don't want her to sleep
on a hard floor.  Additionally, any ideas of what to use instead of
towels for her to sleep on, in case she associates toweling with
urine?

Is she just too young to "get it"?

Many thanks!

Eden
Laura R. - 15 Jun 2004 10:11 GMT
circa 15 Jun 2004 00:59:08 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Eden
(sassafras1227@yahoo.com) said,
> My husband and I acquired a 4 week old kitten a few days ago.  I am in
> the process of trying to litter train her, which is proving difficult.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Is she just too young to "get it"?

She's too young to be away from her mother, let alone know how to use
the litterbox. What caused her to be taken from her mother so early?

As far as the litter training:

http://utut.essortment.com/cathowdolitte_rqwp.htm
http://cats.about.com/library/howto/htlitter.htm
http://www.mismatch.co.uk/catlitter.htm
http://www.healthypet.com/Library/pet_behavior-5.html
http://www.healthypet.com/Library/pet_behavior-6.html

And as a side note:
http://www.showcatsonline.com/at_what_age_should_a_kitten_go_to_a_new
_home.htm

Laura
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Sherry - 15 Jun 2004 10:55 GMT
>I also put a towel
>on her litterbox with litter over it, so she'd link the two together,
>but why does she keep peeing in her own bed?  She SLEEPS there?  I'm
>surprised she'd soil it.

She's a baby. Way too tiny to be without her mother. Laura's given some great
links; I just wanted to add, that when I've raised orphans, I used a small pan
with 1" sides The sides are too tall on commercial litterboxes. Good luck with
your new baby.
Eden - 15 Jun 2004 16:38 GMT
Thanks for your advice.  I am using a baking tray (not to be cooked
with later!) as her litter box, and have placed a soft towel with
litter on top of it.  I put her in there quite often and she does pee
in there too (although poop has ended up on my husband's desk!)

I thought 4 weeks was too early too, but when we went to visit the
woman with the litter (she has 10 cats), this was the last one left
and she said the kitten was eating solid food, and was fine to go.
And because of the food issue, we thought it was okay. We figured she
knew what she was talking about!

So, just so I understand - will our kitten finally get the hang of
this all?  Is she just too young?  Additionally, what are the links
that Laura has given?  I haven't seen them.

Thanks so much!

Eden
Laura R. - 15 Jun 2004 20:19 GMT
circa 15 Jun 2004 08:38:28 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Eden
(sassafras1227@yahoo.com) said,
> I thought 4 weeks was too early too, but when we went to visit the
> woman with the litter (she has 10 cats), this was the last one left
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks so much!

Sorry, Eden, I have a no-archive header on my posts, so they don't
show up in Google. I'll pull the header off of this post so you can
see it. This is what my response was to your original posting:

"She's too young to be away from her mother, let alone know how to
use
the litterbox. What caused her to be taken from her mother so early?

As far as the litter training:

http://utut.essortment.com/cathowdolitte_rqwp.htm
http://cats.about.com/library/howto/htlitter.htm
http://www.mismatch.co.uk/catlitter.htm
http://www.healthypet.com/Library/pet_behavior-5.html
http://www.healthypet.com/Library/pet_behavior-6.html

And as a side note:
http://www.showcatsonline.com/at_what_age_should_a_kitten_go_to_a_new
_home.htm "

Unfortunately, the person who gave you the kitten at such a young age
was wrong. With that said, if you act as your kitten's "mother" for
the next month or two, she should be fine. :-)

I fell for the same song and dance sixteen years ago when I got my
Jacob- the people swore up and down that he and his brother were
older than they were, and they said they'd have to "cut their heads
off with a shovel" if they couldn't get rid of them. Obviously, I
took Jacob and his brother that day. Gabriel died at age four, sadly,
but Jacob is still going strong. :-)

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Mary - 15 Jun 2004 17:21 GMT
> My husband and I acquired a 4 week old kitten a few days ago.

Laura is right, she is way too young. I had always heard that kittens should
be at least six weeks old, and now I think the recommendation is that they
be older than that before separated from their mothers. If her mother is not
dead or otherwise unavailable, someone has made a bad decision.
m. L. Briggs - 15 Jun 2004 18:34 GMT
>My husband and I acquired a 4 week old kitten a few days ago.  I am in
>the process of trying to litter train her, which is proving difficult.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Eden

You might trying some hospital pads or baby diapers. As you know, she
is much too young to be away from her mother.  She won't learn any
"cat" things.  The woman just wanted to get rid of the
responsibility.. (IMHO)    MLB
Goat Roper - 15 Jun 2004 19:43 GMT
Like everyonbe else has said, your kitten is too young to be box trained at
4 weeks.  Depending on whether or not the kitten's mother was box trained,
any training at all about where to pee might be meaningless or even
detrimental to your attempts at box training.  You will win the battle if
you are persistant and consistant.  I have know people that have trained
their cats to use a toilet, and then they would gripe because they would not
flush it.

I got one once whose mother had been killed by a rotary mower.  The mother
was a farm cat and was never trained to use a box.  The kitten was about
eight weeks old when we got him but my wife worked with him until he was box
trained.  He never really got the concept that the new deposites were to be
covered up, but instead he would kick the liter around usually making a big
mess.

Off the subject, but we had to put him down at age eithteen due to failing
health and autheritis.  He never did learn hot to cover up his poop!
Wendy - 15 Jun 2004 21:25 GMT
> My husband and I acquired a 4 week old kitten a few days ago.  I am in
> the process of trying to litter train her, which is proving difficult.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Eden

At 4 weeks you basically have to finish doing the job their Mom should have
been given the opportunity to do. My Boots' litter was just starting to be
ready to use the box at 4 wks. Others might be more precocious.

Wait until about 10-15 minutes after she eats and put her in the box and
help her scratch. You may want to try taking a damp cotton ball or paper
towel and gently stimulate her butt to get her to go. OTOH she might have
gotten to the point where this will offend the heck out of her - depends on
how far her mom got with litter training (if at all) before they were
separated. If she goes, praise the heck out of her and help her scratch
again so she learns to cover up. Continue to plunk her in the litter box
after meals until you see her reliably using the box herself.

Get the towel the heck out of the litter box. You might be confusing her.

You might want to consider getting one of those really big and deep plastic
storage bins and setting her up in there when she's napping and overnight.
Put a towel in there for her to sleep on, her litter box (at the far end)
and some food and water. This way she doesn't have to go far to find the
box. Once she starts consistently using the box you can gradually expand her
horizons and give her a larger area that she's free to roam.

She might just be too far from the box when she has to go and doesn't
remember how to get back to it. I think Boots was almost 9 -10 weeks old
before he got the run of the house (and we have a small house)

W
Eden - 16 Jun 2004 08:50 GMT
Thank you all for such great advice!!!

Yes, I feel horribly guilty about taking her.  The mother was at the
house when we took her, even though the woman was insisting it was
fine.  (We should have trusted our instincts and what we read on the
internet.)  That said, upon taking her to the vet (I thought she had
conjunctivitis) I found out that she had cat flu and lots of fleas, so
we're taking care of that now (I hope she doesn't remember that I'm
the one giving her the drops and the eye ointment!)  Part of me feels
like we should take her back there for a few weeks, and then the other
part of me thinks at least she's healthier with us.

I have followed your advice and taken the towel out.  She's clever -
she's going in more and more to use the litter box, and if I see her
in the middle of something, I immediately take her there.  She even
tried to cover up her poop!!!

She slept with me last night (my husband's away and she's jumped the
guards we've already set up) and we got up at 4 in the morning to go
to the litterbox and she did her business.  So I think she'll get
there in the end.

One further question though - we have a cat flap and our last cat (who
we only had while he was very old) used to use it and do his business
outside.  Will teaching mimi how to use the litterbox prevent her from
ultimately learning to do everything outside?  And how old should a
cat be when you teach her?  We've purposely kept the litterbox close
to this flap.

Thanks again,

Eden
Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 13:55 GMT
circa 16 Jun 2004 00:50:58 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Eden
(sassafras1227@yahoo.com) said,
> Thank you all for such great advice!!!
>
> Yes, I feel horribly guilty about taking her.

Don't. The fact that the woman who gave her to you was so insistent
upon doing so probably means that the kitten is better off with you,
sadly.

> The mother was at the
> house when we took her, even though the woman was insisting it was
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> like we should take her back there for a few weeks, and then the other
> part of me thinks at least she's healthier with us.

Maybe you could "borrow" the mamacat since this was the last kitten?
Just an off-the-wall thought. :-)

> I have followed your advice and taken the towel out.  She's clever -
> she's going in more and more to use the litter box, and if I see her
> in the middle of something, I immediately take her there.  She even
> tried to cover up her poop!!!

Good, that means her natural instincts are working.

> She slept with me last night (my husband's away and she's jumped the
> guards we've already set up) and we got up at 4 in the morning to go
> to the litterbox and she did her business.  So I think she'll get
> there in the end.

I'm sure she will.

> One further question though - we have a cat flap and our last cat (who
> we only had while he was very old) used to use it and do his business
> outside.  Will teaching mimi how to use the litterbox prevent her from
> ultimately learning to do everything outside?  And how old should a
> cat be when you teach her?  We've purposely kept the litterbox close
> to this flap.

I've not known of a cat to refuse to go to the bathroom outside due
to being litter trained as a kitten. :-)

Laura

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zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jun 2004 14:12 GMT
>Part of me feels like we should take her
>back there for a few weeks, and then the
>other part of me thinks at least she's
>healthier with us.

The kitten is better off with you, but f you want to really make a
difference I would suggest you go back and offer to adopt the mother. If
you are convincing and say the kitty is obviously lonely without mom nd
you'd really like to have 2 cats, you might be able to get her out of
that house. That woman has no business having cats and you would end up
saving 2. I would go as far as offering a nice sum of money for the cat
if nothing else worked.

Megan

                                   
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Sherry - 16 Jun 2004 14:31 GMT
>Thank you all for such great advice!!!
>
>Yes, I feel horribly guilty about taking her.  The mother was at the
>house when we took her, even though the woman was insisting it was
>fine.  (

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Don't feel horrible. It sounds like if you hadn't taken her, someone else would
have. Either way, she was on her own at a too young age. It's not that bad;
I've raised lots of orphans; they eventually were great house cats. My resident
cats would eventually warm up to them, and I think they learned lots of "cat
things" from them. I was wondering, is there any possibility you might take on
another older kitten or adult cat? I really think your baby would benefit, not
just now but in the long run. And you sound like a great potential adoptor for
a cat.

Sherry
 
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