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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2004I'm so pissed!
I had to go away for the weekend and I asked the neighbor's much revered 14-year old son to feed Kami. Everyone talks about what a good kid he is and so responsible. Blah, blah.... Anyway, I told him she might not eat and just to dump out the food and give her another packet. He didn't have to worry about anything else because she has the fountain, dry food to nibble, the box is good for a couple of days. Just feed her--he might not even see her. Well, I just got home and in her bowl was a huge mound of her wet food. Apparently she didn't eat it, and he just dumped in more. It smelled more than sour and there were even so little gnats or fruit flies hanging around it. No wonder she didn't eat it even if she decided she wanted to. I could see that she ate more dry food in the last couple days than she would in a couple of weeks. I had planned on giving him some money as a surprise for a good job rather than ask him to do it for money. Obviously I didn't. When he came back with the key I just smiled and said thanks and I see she's alive and well. I had thought of masking my other neighbor, who has a cat, to do it, but he's gone during the week and I figured he wouldn't want any extra responsibilities on the weekend. That's why I aksed the kid. But I called him before I left to say he could go ahead and crank up his $60k stereo system because I'll be gone and the first thing he asked was who was feeding Kami. I should have stuck with my first instinct. Won't make that mistake again. (BTW, his cat stays at a friend's house during the week--Monday morning through Thursday evening. She's not left home alone for that length of time.)  SignatureBrandy??Alexandre http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? --- Why are people with closed minds first to open their mouths? > I had to go away for the weekend and I asked the neighbor's much > revered 14-year old son to feed Kami. Everyone talks about what a good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hanging around it. No wonder she didn't eat it even if she decided she > wanted to. Brandy, I suggest that you look for a professional petsitter -- one who is reliable and has excellent recommendations that you can verify. That is what I do, and it is really a comfort to know that the person who cares for Holly and Duffy is very knowledgeable about cats, able to make a decision to take them to a vet if necessary, and completely reliable concerning their care. Don't wait until you need someone to locate a petsitter. Start looking now, check references, talk to the person you select, and make arrangements so that you will be able to count on this person when you need to leave town for awhile. MaryL >I had planned on giving him >some money as a surprise for a good job rather than ask him to do it >for money. Obviously I didn't. I had a good friend, an adult do something similar. I told him to feed my cat one can of catfood a day. I had a stack of little cans there and two big super size cans in back just in case a war broke out and I was stranded. He fed the cat the big cans and just left the food there. There was a huge mound of food! This is a 40 year old sane man of average intelligence. The huge mound of food probably scared my cat to death so my cat didn't eat it. The mound of food smelled so the guy opened the window. He didn't realize my cat then left out the window. Thank god for my neighbors who fed him. Sometimes you have to spell things out completely and in writing. Now I do. Some think I'm nutty but I think it prevents stupid mishaps. circa 14 Jun 2004 03:56:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (mmmaryinla@aol.comspam) said, > Sometimes you have to spell > things out completely and in writing. Now I do. Some think I'm nutty but I > think it prevents stupid mishaps. My catsitter instructions are six pages long. <G> Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com >My catsitter instructions are six pages long. <G> LOL! I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one that leaves a book :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>My catsitter instructions are six pages long. <G> > >LOL! I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one that leaves a book :) > >Lauren Re: Petsitters. I've got too give this example about why it's important to hire a "cat person" to tend to your cat. My daughter had a friend drop in and feed her cats for a weekend; it was someone not particularly a pet person. She got home to find her neighbor's cat in the house, and Tommy nowhere to be found. Obviously, Tommy had run out the door, the petsitter had gone looking for him, captured the neighbor's identical Tabby, and put him back inside. Tommy had a wild weekend, but thankfully he was no worse for the experience. Sherry circa 14 Jun 2004 14:04:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > >>My catsitter instructions are six pages long. <G> > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Tommy had a wild weekend, but thankfully he was no worse for the experience. > Sherry That happened with my little sister once. I'm not kidding. When she was two years old, we lived next to some people who also had a daughter who was two years old, and her name, Katie, was similar to my sister's- Kathy (now that she's an adult, of course, she prefers "Katherine". <G>). The wife portion of the neighbor couple was British, and her parents were visiting for some period of time. They were apparently rather old and didn't see well. My mother had put my sister down for a nap, but as Katherine was a bit of a terror [understatement] back then, she'd gotten out of her crib, taken off all of her clothes (something she used to do a lot for some reason) and gone out into the back yard. Katie's grandmother apparently went outside, saw my sister nekkid in our yard and thought she was Katie. Being very proper British, she was horrified and came over clucking at Katherine about how she was supposed to be taking a nap and what was she doing outside naked and so forth. She took my sister into the neighbors' house and started dressing her before realizing that she didn't have her grandchild (I'm guessing that when she went to put Katherine down for a nap and saw Katie in the crib, she realized that Katherine wasn't Katie). This all happened in the space of a few minutes; my sister used to scare the bejeebies out of my mother rather regularly doing things like this. I remember that we had those "child gates" all over the place (not that they worked), and Katherine was constantly getting into things. My father used to call her "Gronk" after the really hairy caveman in the B.C. comic strip-the one who looked like the muppet "Animal". Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa 14 Jun 2004 14:04:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry >(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >Laura That is funny! Did she ever outgrow the habit? MLB circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:59:36 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, m. L. Briggs (mlbriggs@nospam.net) said, > >This all happened in the space of a few minutes; my sister used to > >scare the bejeebies out of my mother rather regularly doing things [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That is funny! Did she ever outgrow the habit? MLB Yes, and she turned into a prude, in fact. :-P Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) >Re: Petsitters. I've got too give this example about why it's important to >hire [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >captured the neighbor's identical Tabby, and put him back inside. >Tommy had a wild weekend, but thankfully he was no worse for the experience. Wow! Sure does sound like a wild weekend. I'm glad to hear Tommy was ok. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm I take it you're not referring to a professional pet sitter? Cathy > >From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:09:16 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, > I take it you're not referring to a professional pet sitter? No, she said it was her daughter's friend (and her daughter's cat). Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:09:16 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Laura Right; I know. And I didn't _think_ so, but professional pet sitters were also being discussed in the thread, & I wasn't positive if the daughter's friend's wasn't a prof. pet sitter. Just wanted to clarify - since a 'regular' person who's not specifically a cat person would be a different kettle of fish than a professional sitter who doesn't exclusively sit for cats. Cathy circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:05:20 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, > > > I take it you're not referring to a professional pet sitter? > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > cat person would be a different kettle of fish than a professional sitter > who doesn't exclusively sit for cats. Ah, gotcha. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa 14 Jun 2004 03:56:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary >(mmmaryinla@aol.comspam) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Laura I have an entire notebook that lists exact feeding schedules, has a map to show where each cat gets fed, has medical histories, photos, vet's numbers, info on toys, catnip, behavior quirks, locations of all items, and even a couple of pages on emergency maneuvers. So you guys aren't weird at all :-) Ginger-lyn circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:55:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ginger-lyn Summer (glsummer@neptunelink.com) said, > >> Sometimes you have to spell > >> things out completely and in writing. Now I do. Some think I'm nutty but I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I have an entire notebook that lists exact feeding schedules, Got that. > has a > map to show where each cat gets fed, Yup. > has medical histories, Yup. > photos, Written descriptions, since they're easy to tell apart. > vet's numbers, Yep. > info on toys, Yep. > catnip, Yup. > behavior quirks, Yup. > locations of all > items, Yup. > and even a couple of pages on emergency maneuvers. Ooh, good idea; I should add that in! :-D > So you guys > aren't weird at all :-) I'm not sure if it's that we aren't weird or that you *are*, as well. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde <snip> >I'm not sure if it's that we aren't weird or that you *are*, as well. >;-) lol! Well, I'm a middle-aged cat lady with 7 cats. The rest of the world would certainly consider me and most of us here as a bit, uh, "eccentric" ;-) Ginger-lyn who has a friend who gave her a button that says "Eccentric". Heh. >Laura circa Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:40:19 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ginger-lyn Summer (glsummer@neptunelink.com) said, > <snip> > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ginger-lyn > who has a friend who gave her a button that says "Eccentric". Heh. I consider "eccentric" to be a compliment. :-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:40:19 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Ginger-lyn Summer (glsummer@neptunelink.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > I consider "eccentric" to be a compliment. :-) Me too. Same with abnormal, when you take a good look at the norm. For example, Madison Avenue advertisers are targeting the "average, normal" consumer with those brilliant TV ads we see. *shiver* On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:18:07 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: >I had to go away for the weekend and I asked the neighbor's much >revered 14-year old son to feed Kami. Everyone talks about what a good [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >through Thursday evening. She's not left home alone for that length of >time.) IMHO You should have made it a pay job from the start. Kids like money and that would have been a great incentive. You should have explained in detail about changing the food -=- this is how kids learn. You cannot expect a 14 year old kid to be as altruistic as a close friend would be. >IMHO You should have made it a pay job from the start. Kids like >money and that would have been a great incentive. You should have >explained in detail about changing the food -=- this is how kids >learn. You cannot expect a 14 year old kid to be as altruistic as a >close friend would be. I agree. With 14-year-olds, you have to spell it out. Write down step-by-step what you expect of them. He *did* perform the task--and it's entirely possible he misunderstood the instructions. And it should have been a paying job. Next time the OP should hire a petsitter. They're bonded, responsible, and experienced. The ones here charge $15 a day which is *nothing* compared to the peace of mind knowing that your pet will be fed properly, and even *checked on*, which is imperative for an aging cat with health issues. Sherry m. L. Briggs <mlbriggs@nospam.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > IMHO You should have made it a pay job from the start. Kids like > money and that would have been a great incentive. You should have > explained in detail about changing the food -=- this is how kids > learn. You cannot expect a 14 year old kid to be as altruistic as a > close friend would be. They have a cocker spaniel, I figured he knew how to take care of a pet. His mother works two jobs and he's on his own most of the time. Oh well. It won't happen again. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? --- Why are people with closed minds first to open their mouths? To "Brandy Alexandre" brandy@kamikaze.orgy Did you post your experience to prove what a jerk you were or were you simply trolling around? > I had to go away for the weekend and I asked the neighbor's much > revered 14-year old son to feed Kami. Everyone talks about what a good > kid he is and so responsible. Blah, blah.... Blah, blah is about the size of it. I seriously grieve for the future of this country. The average 14 year old would probably have given you a much worse experience than what you had. You're fortunate not to find your home ransacked, partied in, and generally trashed. I talk with a lot of the kids in my neighborhood. These kids are from good families, middle class and upper middle class. There is no shortage of resources, intellectual of financial in their upbringing. Yet the resulting teenager today is the most ignorant, vapid, clueless, self-centered lump of sh.t you could imagine. None of them can read beyond what would be politely considered impaired intellect, so forget written instructions meaning much. They have no intuition whatsoever. Anything outside their normal routine is beyond their ability to deal with. If not presented with an absolute concrete example that can be held in the hand and examined, they have not the imagination to reason anything out to a logical and correct conclusion. It's no surprise that the daily care of a simple mammal is beyond their ability to do correctly. >> I had to go away for the weekend and I asked the neighbor's much >> revered 14-year old son to feed Kami. Everyone talks about what a good [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >It's no surprise that the daily care of a simple mammal is beyond their >ability to do correctly. If you had the power to correct this, how would you do it? MLB circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:35:46 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, m. L. Briggs (mlbriggs@nospam.net) said, > If you had the power to correct this, how would you do it? Teach parents to be parents. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:35:46 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >m. L. Briggs (mlbriggs@nospam.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Laura cats are by far better parents than humans. i've never seen a more caring, attentive, intelligent mother than a cat. -L circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:16 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >> If you had the power to correct this, how would you do it? > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > cats are by far better parents than humans. Sadly, you may be right. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > If you had the power to correct this, how would you do it? MLB Seriously? It would require time travel and the complete reconstruction of an era that never should have happened. Correction is not likely. I'm only thankful that my remaining years of witnessing the situation deteriorate are few. > If you had the power to correct this, how would you do it? MLB Hmmm.... Lightning, yes.... definitely lightning. m. L. Briggs <mlbriggs@nospam.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>> I had to go away for the weekend and I asked the neighbor's much >>> revered 14-year old son to feed Kami. Everyone talks about what [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> > If you had the power to correct this, how would you do it? MLB Have potential parents pass a test and be licensed. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? --- Why are people with closed minds first to open their mouths? circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:58:49 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said, > I talk with a lot of the kids in my neighborhood. These kids are from good > families, middle class and upper middle class. There is no shortage of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's no surprise that the daily care of a simple mammal is beyond their > ability to do correctly. This is why I do not reproduce. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:58:49 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Laura Laura, who is Hilary Israel? -mhd circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:22:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com (hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com) said, Whoops, I forgot that header was in there. ;-) She is a veterinarian I've seen on Usenet for years and I find her incredibly arrogant and rude when she replies to people. As a veterinarian, I think her responses reflect badly on her profession. It's one thing to be a nasty bitch just because, but it's another to be a nasty bitch and make sure that everybody knows you're doing it as a representative of the veterinary profession. Just my opinion, mind you, but I find her unprofessional and belittling. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > Whoops, I forgot that header was in there. ;-) She is a veterinarian > I've seen on Usenet for years and I find her incredibly arrogant and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the veterinary profession. Just my opinion, mind you, but I find her > unprofessional and belittling Coming from you, the above paragraph is hilarious. "I don't like people who treat me the way I treat others." You reap what you sow, you utter twat. circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:39:26 +0200 (CEST), in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, futureworlds (nobody@mail.futureworlds.it) said, > > Whoops, I forgot that header was in there. ;-) She is a veterinarian > > I've seen on Usenet for years and I find her incredibly arrogant and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "I don't like people who treat me the way I treat others." I don't post as a representative of my profession. If somebody were to choose not to do business with me because they don't like what I say in *cat* groups, then that's their prerogative. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. > You reap what you sow, you utter twat. It's not *me* she has been rude to, you utter idiot. I've seen her lambaste people who were perfectly polite to her and she has always done so in her capacity as a veterinarian to people who were simply looking for advice. As a result, I think her bedside manner sucks and would never take my cats to her. It's that simple. What is it that you do for a living? Should I make sure that no business goes to your company because *you* are an a.shole? Oh, wait, you hide behind an alias because you can't stand behind your own behavior. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:39:26 +0200 (CEST), in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, futureworlds (nobody@mail.futureworlds.it) said, > "I don't like people who treat me the way I treat others." > > You reap what you sow, you utter twat. Goodness me, it would appear that you might be talking to yourself in the above. You have quite a nasty repertoire of responses in your posts, according to Google. "From: futureworlds <nobody@mail.futureworlds.it> Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at <abuse@mail.futureworlds.it>. Newsgroups: alt.2600.warez Subject: Since you are ESTUTE there Andy........... Message-ID: <9b903362b520b6966604c999176a74c4@mail.futureworlds.it> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Organization: mail2news@dizum.com Lines: 12 Why do you not post some "PROOF" since you like accusing people ? Show US ALL in this group how GREAT and UNTOUCHABLE you are Andy Elwell ? While you are at it, EXPLAIN to us all how Gemini talked you into sharing your FUCKIN NEWSRANGER ACCOUNT ????????? WE ALL WANNA KNOW just how much of a MORON you are........... EXPLAIN your way out of "THAT SHARING ACCOUNT ONE" !!!!!! STUPID ABORIGINE AUSSIE NIGGER !" "From: futureworlds <nobody@mail.futureworlds.it> Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at <abuse@mail.futureworlds.it>. Newsgroups: alt.2600.warez,alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.d Subject: Yeah Leslie... since you wanted to f.ck UP my group... Message-ID: <96de2b5df60ea3e94a457617aced3208@mail.futureworlds.it> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:23:28 +0200 (CEST) Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Organization: mail2news@dizum.com I am coming into this one and sit back and SPEEEEEEEENAK you niggers back to Africa !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am gonna do to this group what I did to the PNG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!" Everything else is too foul to repost. Charming, you are. Laura SignatureSwallow a toad in the morning and you will encounter nothing more disgusting the rest of the day. -- Nicholas Chamfort > Coming from you, the above paragraph is hilarious. > > "I don't like people who treat me the way I treat others." Oh you Big Brave Remailer Boy. Here's a clue: you may feel that Laura is condescending to you, but that is based upon your position, not hers. She'd never condescended to me. Laura, why did you x-no-archive this post? Are you afraid Hillary Israeli will see it? - - Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.g iganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!g nilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!aeabe507!not-for-mail From: Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: Re: I'm so pissed! Message-ID: <MPG.1b37b1761d11b06498a9d1@news.verizon.net> References: <4e6067f2b1ad1649a98cac254a761db6@news.teranews.com> <dihzc.94161$DG4.84798@fe2.columbus.rr.com> <MPG.1b37a6fb3adc8a1b98a9c5@news.verizon.net> <vknrc0tcdko4e364b3mkoeojbbenpn9ha9@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 X-no-archive: yes x-why-I-will-never-take-my-pets-to-Hilary-Israeli-nor-recommend-her-to-othe rs: because she's an arrogant bitch with the courtesy of a sailor in a brothel. Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:59:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.149.42.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1087235952 141.149.42.176 (Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:59:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:59:12 EDT Xref: uni-berlin.de rec.pets.cats.health+behav:324323 circa Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:22:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com (hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com) said, Whoops, I forgot that header was in there. ;-) She is a veterinarian I've seen on Usenet for years and I find her incredibly arrogant and rude when she replies to people. As a veterinarian, I think her responses reflect badly on her profession. It's one thing to be a nasty bitch just because, but it's another to be a nasty bitch and make sure that everybody knows you're doing it as a representative of the veterinary profession. Just my opinion, mind you, but I find her unprofessional and belittling. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:22 +0200, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Max Mustermann (anonymous@remail.amessage.info) said, > Laura, why did you x-no-archive this post? Are you afraid Hillary Israeli > will see it? No, jackass, it's the way my newsreader is set up for these newsgroups- *all* of my posts have the header unless I remove it. I've already told Hilary Israeli the exact things in that header. Unlike you, I'm not a chickenshit troll. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde Stupid lying whore Laura R. <LRobinson@technologist.com> whined: > circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:22 +0200, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Max Mustermann (anonymous@remail.amessage.info) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, jackass, it's the way my newsreader is set up for these > newsgroups- *all* of my posts have the header unless I remove it. Bullshit, you stupid lying whore. Anyone can check your headers and see that you only x-no-archived that SINGLE post. > I've already told Hilary Israeli the exact things in that header. > Unlike you, I'm not a chickenshit troll. You are a troll and a chickenshit. Someone noticed your header in which you libel Hillary, and you didn't have the guts to let that post go to the Google archive. You're a stupid lying c.nt. Now learn to shut the hell up before you make yourself look even stupider, scummier, and more dishonest. circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:27:25 +0200, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Max Mustermann (anonymous@remail.amessage.info) said, > >> Laura, why did you x-no-archive this post? Are you afraid Hillary > >> Israeli will see it? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bullshit, you stupid lying whore. Anyone can check your headers and see > that you only x-no-archived that SINGLE post. You're right. Anybody *can* look at my headers and see that it's always there unless I intentionally remove it. Dumbass. > > I've already told Hilary Israeli the exact things in that header. > > Unlike you, I'm not a chickenshit troll. > > You are a troll and a chickenshit. Not in the least, but I am about to plonk you as you clearly are. > Someone noticed your header in which you > libel Hillary, Libel? Get a clue. > and you didn't have the guts to let that post go to the > Google archive. Sure I did. And as I said, I've said it directly to her before. > You're a stupid lying c.nt. Now learn to shut the hell up > before you make yourself look even stupider, scummier, and more dishonest. Speak for yourself, moron. You're quite a sick individual. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:27:25 +0200, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Max Mustermann (anonymous@remail.amessage.info) said, > Bullshit, you stupid lying whore. Anyone can check your headers and see > that you only x-no-archived that SINGLE post. Oh, and BTW, fool, that header was there for a while, not just in one post. You really are stupid. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde I think o'le max has been eating from a cat litter box, or at least his nasty mouth indicates so. I just zapped him from my acceptable senders list. Allen > > No, jackass, it's the way my newsreader is set up for these > > newsgroups- *all* of my posts have the header unless I remove it. > > Bullshit, you stupid lying whore. Anyone can check your headers and see > that you only x-no-archived that SINGLE post. Um, are you thinking the cat people are singularly stupid, or what? Anyone sure can check Laura's headers and see the x-no-archive in EVERY post going back for years. What a poor excuse for a troll you are. Extra groups snicked. Moron. >Um, are you thinking the cat people are singularly stupid, or what? Anyone >sure can check Laura's headers and see the x-no-archive in EVERY post going >back for years. And how do you go back for years and check for x-no-archive:yes posts? -mhd > >Um, are you thinking the cat people are singularly stupid, or what? Anyone > >sure can check Laura's headers and see the x-no-archive in EVERY post going > >back for years. > > And how do you go back for years and check for x-no-archive:yes posts? I'd tell you, but-- Nobody likes a net dick. >> >Um, are you thinking the cat people are singularly stupid, or what? >Anyone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Nobody likes a net dick. It was a rhetorical question idiot. -mhd "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote... > Um, are you thinking the cat people are singularly stupid, or what? Not cat people in general. You, yes. Here's why. > Anyone > sure can check Laura's headers and see the x-no-archive in EVERY post going > back for years. Mary. Dear. The reason anyone can go back and check Laura's headers for years is because she usually does not x-no-archive. That's why you can see her posts in Google Groups. Moron. Once in while, Laura finds reason to want to cover her tracks. See Laura's quoted text below in Hillary's post and then try looking up Laura's post. You won't find it. Laura either screwed up and realized it (and cancelled the post) or else she is intimidated by Hillary (and x-no-archived the post to begin with). hillary@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote in message news:<slrncc9hdd.iln.hillary@manx.misty.com>... > In <MPG.1b2e60934365186798a8fc@news.verizon.net>, > Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > *> *> "Since its discovery, toxoplasmosis has been found in virtually all > *> *> warm-blooded animals including most pets, livestock, and human beings." > *> > *> Yes, I know that. However, just because toxoplasma has been found in most > *> mammals, there is no reason to believe most mammals can PASS ON > *> toxoplasma. Did you read what I wrote?? Here, I will quote myself again: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I was even talking to Amy, I don't know. I don't think it's necessary, but > some might. I would just chalk it up to poor news threading and move on. > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote... > > > Um, are you thinking the cat people are singularly stupid, or what? > > Not cat people in general. You, yes. Here's why. Okay, Asswipe, so I exaggerated about the "year" thing. Below is a post from June 10, 2004 with full headers. Note the x-no-archives in the headers and stfu. Path: twister.southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com! cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net! nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!aeabe507!not-for-mail From: Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: Re: Struvite crystals, cat in pain, prescription diets Hill's & IVD Message-ID: <MPG.1b32ae2986577bb498a959@news.verizon.net> References: <4ce394de.0406090649.60aa62d9@posting.google.com> <20040610102208.23082.00000477@mb-m21.aol.com> <4ce394de.0406101049.4227847b@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 X-no-archive: yes x-why-I-will-never-take-my-pets-to-Hilary-Israeli-nor-recommend-her-to-other s: because she's an arrogant bitch with the courtesy of a sailor in a brothel. Lines: 27 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:46:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.149.42.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1086907561 141.149.42.176 (Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:46:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:46:01 EDT Xref: cyclone.southeast.rr.com rec.pets.cats.health+behav:293748 circa 10 Jun 2004 11:49:36 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Patricia (over@mindspring.com) said, > > IVD's products tend to be all over the map when it comes to urinary output pH. > > Not to mention the fact that Hill's c/d now has very high levels of > > antioxidants. As for switching to a raw diet, check with your vet first. > sorry, but I didn't understand your point - english not being my first language. > What do you mean whith all over the place? He means that the pH of the cats' urine ranges from high to low, instead of remaining consistent. With that said, he's a bit of a psycho, which is why he's killfiled by many. > And high level of antioxidants should be good correct? Yes. > So you would go with Hill's, is that what you mean? Having seen only what you quoted of his post, I'd guess that that is what he means. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde Those of you who do not know how to read headers: In Outlook Express, double click on the post whose headers you wish to read. Then click "file, properties, message source," and you will have the headers along with the body of the post. Do this with any of Laura's posts, as far back as your reader retains posts, and you will see that Laura's anon fanbois are full of caca. In Agent there is a "show all headers" choice. Now then, Max baby, I don't killfile but I don't waste my time on things like you. Buh bye. >> "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >June 10, 2004 with full headers. Note the x-no-archives in the headers and >stfu. i tried to search for Laura's posts on google, when she mentioned stories about her cat, Alex. i found only a couple posts from her, but a bunch of replies TO her posts, which were xna'd. ergo, she xna's her posts. trolls are incredibly stupid! -L > >> "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote... > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -L This is true. And there is nothing funnier than an idiot who thinks he is smarter than you are, i.e. that he can bluff his way through and intimidate people. In this way, Max is actually amusing. Stupidity and arrogance all rolled up in one stellar dude. Wow! ;) >> "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > post from June 10, 2004 with full headers. Note the x-no-archives in > the headers and stfu. Oh, so she x-no-archives any post with her anti-Hillary Israeli rant in the header, showing yet again that she's intimidated by or afraid of Hillary. HAHAHAH! P.S. Thank you for continuing to feed the trolls, ya dumb snatch. > Path: > twister.southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Laura starwars <nobody@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Oh, so she x-no-archives any post with her anti-Hillary Israeli > rant in the header, showing yet again that she's intimidated by or > afraid of Hillary. HAHAHAH! That's got to be the most stupid statement of all. If she was afraid of Hillary, she wouldn't post at all. Let me explain something to you, moron. x-no-archive means Google isn't going to store it. It doesn't mean that every ISP on the planet isn't going to carry it. Unless Hillary only uses Google to read Usenet, using x-no-archive to avoid her reading it is completely pointless. So I'm sure you can see how incredibly stupid you just looked there. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? --- Why are people with closed minds first to open their mouths? circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:50:26 +0200, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Max Mustermann (anonymous@remail.amessage.info) said, > Mary. Dear. The reason anyone can go back and check Laura's headers for > years is because she usually does not x-no-archive. That's why you can see > her posts in Google Groups. No, asswipe, I archive some servers and not others. You really are stupid. > Moron. > > Once in while, Laura finds reason to want to cover her tracks. See Laura's > quoted text below in Hillary's post and then try looking up Laura's post. > You won't find it. Because for this server, my default is to not archive. Fool. > Laura either screwed up and realized it (and cancelled the post) Oh, PUHleeze. I did no such thing, and as I said several times before, I have no fear of Hillary Israeli seeing my opinions of her. > or else > she is intimidated by Hillary (and x-no-archived the post to begin with). See above, idiot. Get a newsreader and look at these newsgroups instead of thinking that Google is an accurate representation. My, but you really are a sad little troll.' Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde Max Mustermann <anonymous@remail.amessage.info> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > headers for years is because she usually does not x-no-archive. > That's why you can see her posts in Google Groups. Looks like someone has to explain spooling to you and as well as figurative statements. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? --- Why are people with closed minds first to open their mouths? "Brandy Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: >Looks like someone has to explain spooling to you and as well as >figurative statements. Explain spooling to me. This should be interesting. -mhd *Laura, why did you x-no-archive this post? Are you afraid Hillary Israeli *will see it? *x-why-I-will-never-take-my-pets-to-Hilary-Israeli-nor-recommend-her-to-othe *rs: because she's an arrogant bitch with the courtesy of a sailor in a *brothel. Hehehe. That's pretty funny, that someone would actually make an X-header with my name in it. Of course, it's a pretty nasty and mean statement, and obviously the author has some sort of problem with me which is unfortunate, but I suppose it can't be helped. *Whoops, I forgot that header was in there. ;-) She is a veterinarian *I've seen on Usenet for years and I find her incredibly arrogant and *rude when she replies to people. I'm sorry you feel that way. I stand firm in my belief that you are completely and utterly incorrect about my replies, but obviously your feelings are your own. *As a veterinarian, I think her responses reflect badly on her profession. *It's one thing to be a nasty bitch just because, but it's another to be I think you mean "I think her responses reflect badly on her profession, veterinary medicine," or "I think her responses reflect badly on veterinarians in general," or something. What you actually wrote, which I quoted above, means that you, as a veterinarian, think my responses reflect badly on our shared profession of veterinary medicine. You are not a veterinarian as far as I know, are you? *nasty bitch and make sure that everybody knows you're doing it as a *representative of the veterinary profession. Just my opinion, mind you, Well, I'm not a nasty bitch the vast bulk of the time, and if I were, I certainly wouldn't be being one on behalf of veterinarians. It isn't like there is one "veterinary" response or behavior regarding most issues, anyway. It's definitely true that I don't beat around the bush when it comes to animal (or human) health matters. It is NOT true that I am arrogant or belittling. I have, in fact, spent what amounts to many hours of my own free time providing quality educational material to the public on issues of animal health. See http://www.hillary.net/school for just one small section - and that doesn't include any of my Usenet help, or my mailing list help. So, if whatever I said whenever I said it rubbed you the wrong way, that's a shame, but it's your problem, not mine, and I'm not going to sit around and feel awful about it when I know that overall, I've helped far more people and animals than have taken offense. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net info@hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large :) "Hillary Israeli" <hillary@hillary.net> wrote : > *Laura, why did you x-no-archive this post? Are you afraid Hillary Israeli > *will see it? *x-why-I-will-never-take-my-pets-to-Hilary-Israeli-nor-recommend-her-to-othe > *rs: because she's an arrogant bitch with the courtesy of a sailor in a > *brothel. > > Hehehe. That's pretty funny, that someone would actually make an X-header > with my name in it.:) Max may not have been right about most of the cat people, but you certainly were stupid enough to rise to the bait. So just lay out the old troll banquet, why don't you. I would think someone who makes herself as available to the Usenet public as you do would "google" for your own name regularly and be pleased that it is out there. Meanwhile, If you're going to join in in disrupting the groups, at least remove the non-pertinent groups from the subject line. That way you might be able to escape the "trolling" accusation. You'll notice that Laura's initial post was not cross-posted to *pregnancy* groups. And here's a clue for Max: if Laura wanted to hide her negative comments about the Hillary Israeli, she is smart enough to know that a public, global newsgroup might not be the place to do it. She's entitled to her opinion. Let's see now, how do I "libel" an anonymous thug wanna be like good old spineless "Max?" > Max may not have been right about most of the cat people, but you certainly > were stupid enough to rise to the bait. So just lay out the old troll > banquet, why don't you. I would think someone who makes herself as available > to the Usenet public as you do would "google" for your own name regularly > and be pleased that it is out there. good christ, you're an idiot. you blame someone for responding to accusations made about her and say _she's_ feeding the troll? you and Laura have not only laid out the banquet, you keep refilling it. Hillary is just defending herself. she wouldn't be here if Laura could keep her psychotic delusions under control. > Meanwhile, If you're going to join in in disrupting the groups, at least > remove the non-pertinent groups from the subject line. That way you might be > able to escape the "trolling" accusation. she's not disrupting the groups, she's responding to claims Laura has made about her. That isn't disruption. Laura's comments about Hillary are the disruption. but you won't see that because you are too occupied by kissing Laura's large, feces-encrusted a.s. now please shut your f.cking face and quit spouting off. your diminished mental capacity is no longer amusing. hillary@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote... > Hehehe. That's pretty funny, that someone would actually make an X-header > with my name in it. Of course, it's a pretty nasty and mean statement, and > obviously the author has some sort of problem with me which is > unfortunate, but I suppose it can't be helped. It's nasty, mean, immature, and entirely characteristic of Laura Robinson's net.behavior. > I'm sorry you feel that way. I stand firm in my belief that you are > completely and utterly incorrect about my replies, but obviously your > feelings are your own. Laura is completely and utterly incorrect about many things, but attempting to bring this to her attention results in tantrums, invective, and childish x-headers from her. > I think you mean "I think her responses reflect badly on her profession, > veterinary medicine," or "I think her responses reflect badly on > veterinarians in general," or something. What you actually wrote, which I > quoted above, means that you, as a veterinarian, think my responses > reflect badly on our shared profession of veterinary medicine. You are not > a veterinarian as far as I know, are you? No, she is not, nor is she much of a writer, despite her assertions to the contrary. > It's definitely true that I don't beat around the bush when it comes to > animal (or human) health matters. It is NOT true that I am arrogant or > belittling. I have, in fact, spent what amounts to many hours of my own > free time providing quality educational material to the public on issues > of animal health. See http://www.hillary.net/school for just one small > section - and that doesn't include any of my Usenet help, or my mailing > list help. So, if whatever I said whenever I said it rubbed you the wrong > way, that's a shame, but it's your problem, not mine, and I'm not going to > sit around and feel awful about it when I know that overall, I've helped > far more people and animals than have taken offense. Some time in the past, probably more than once, you must have dared to challenge or correct Laura about something. She does not handle this well at all. Bottom line for the reading public: Hillary Israeli is a veterinarian who handled Laura's nasty comments with class and gentle humor. Laura Robinson is a cat owner who belittles veterinarians and insults people for certain behaviors which she herself engages in constantly, and she can't even spell Hillary's name right (it's two l's, Laura) while condemning the woman. Whose advice would you trust regarding your pet? "George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message [snip a bunch of crap] Ooo, Laura, look! Max has socks! Either that or you rate yet ANOTHER Kook!! circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:04:21 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > Ooo, Laura, look! Max has socks! Either that or you rate > yet ANOTHER Kook!! Gee, I feel almost as important as Hillary! ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde Can this be called a cat fight? Allen circa Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:16:53 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Goat Roper (xxxxx@sssss.fffff) said, > Can this be called a cat fight? Heh. Cute. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:00:15 +0200 (CEST), in rec.pets.cats, George Orwell (nobody@mixmaster.it) said, > It's nasty, mean, immature, and entirely characteristic of Laura > Robinson's net.behavior. <yawn> Goodness, but you do have a lot of sock puppets. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:49:21 +0000 (UTC), in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Hillary Israeli (hillary@hillary.net) said, > *Laura, why did you x-no-archive this post? Are you afraid Hillary Israeli > *will see it? > > *x-why-I-will-never-take-my-pets-to-Hilary-Israeli-nor-recommend-her-to-othe > *rs: because she's an arrogant bitch with the courtesy of a sailor in a > *brothel. First, let me note that I have removed my xna header from this post so as to state this in perpetuity. > Hehehe. That's pretty funny, that someone would actually make an X-header > with my name in it. Oh, yes, the five seconds that it took to put it in are a tribute to you. > Of course, it's a pretty nasty and mean statement, and > obviously the author has some sort of problem with me which is > unfortunate, but I suppose it can't be helped. Yes, I do have a problem with you. I have watched you belittle people for years in your capacity as a veterinarian. I've seen you ridicule those who were seeking advice. I've seen the incredible lack of compassion you display for human beings. And I hate to burst your bubble, Dr. Israeli, but I am far from singular in this opinion of you. I'm sure that overall you are a lovely person, but you are frequently unkind to those you have made a career of supposedly providing service, and I don't like it. That is my opinion and I'm perfectly entitled to it. It's quite simple. And I'll note for the record that it is not myself to whom I refer in regards to your responses to those seeking your help; I've watched your behavior as an observer and for the most part, attempted to ignore it. And I have never sought your assistance, specifically _because_ of what I've seen of your behavior. > *Whoops, I forgot that header was in there. ;-) She is a veterinarian > *I've seen on Usenet for years and I find her incredibly arrogant and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > completely and utterly incorrect about my replies, but obviously your > feelings are your own. Opinion is neither correct nor incorrect, Dr. Israeli, and I do feel that way. As I've told you in the past, I would never bring my animals to you as I've found you to be arrogant and condescending to *far* too many of the people to whom you've responded. > *As a veterinarian, I think her responses reflect badly on her profession. > *It's one thing to be a nasty bitch just because, but it's another to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reflect badly on our shared profession of veterinary medicine. You are not > a veterinarian as far as I know, are you? Tedious, Dr. Israeli, tedious. And indicative of exactly what I said regarding your behavior. > *nasty bitch and make sure that everybody knows you're doing it as a > *representative of the veterinary profession. Just my opinion, mind you, > > Well, I'm not a nasty bitch the vast bulk of the time, Oh, but you are, indeed, a nasty bitch enough of the time for me to hold the opinion that while you may be a technically skilled veterinarian, your people skills are lacking. > and if I were, I > certainly wouldn't be being one on behalf of veterinarians. It isn't like > there is one "veterinary" response or behavior regarding most issues, > anyway. And again, you illustrate my point. > It's definitely true that I don't beat around the bush when it comes to > animal (or human) health matters. It is NOT true that I am arrogant or > belittling. That is your opinion. It is mine that you are both. > I have, in fact, spent what amounts to many hours of my own > free time providing quality educational material to the public on issues > of animal health. See http://www.hillary.net/school for just one small > section - and that doesn't include any of my Usenet help, or my mailing > list help. And the fact that you cannot see that the above statements are, themselves, arrogant makes my point yet again. > So, if whatever I said whenever I said it rubbed you the wrong > way, that's a shame, but it's your problem, not mine, and I'm not going to > sit around and feel awful about it when I know that overall, I've helped > far more people and animals than have taken offense. You may think that as you wish, Dr. Israeli, but perhaps someday you'll actually step back and think about some of the responses you've given to people who were seeking your *help*. I've seen them far too many times and as a result, I hold the strong opinion I've expressed my opinions of you *to* you in the past, Dr. Israeli, and there's really no need for me to express them again. I would never bring an animal of mine to you for treatment and I would never recommend you to others, as I've said before. Your technical skills fail to compensate for your lack of ability to treat people with respect when they seek your advice. You're not required to respect those who challenge you, but you *should* have the courtesy to approach those seeking your advice with a modicum of compassion, and you often do not. These are my opinions. They are not mine alone, but they are mine. I know that you will not step back and consider what I've said, because you are not capable of doing so. Instead, you will continue blithely along in your arrogance, incapable of admitting that perhaps there is a reason that I [and others] hold the opinion of you that I do. And that is your prerogative, just as it is mine to think you're far too convinced of your own superiority. That aside, the fact that this much time and effort has been wasted purely because of a sad little troll like Max Mustermann is ridiculous, and I am finished with this conversation. Laura f/u snipped and set SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:27:04 GMT, in rec.pets.cats, Laura R. (UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com) said, > You may think that as you wish, Dr. Israeli, but perhaps someday > you'll actually step back and think about some of the responses > you've given to people who were seeking your *help*. I've seen them > far too many times and as a result, I hold the strong opinion Victim of overenthusiastic snippage. I'm sure you can figure out where that sentence was going. Laura f/u set SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde *Yes, I do have a problem with you. I have watched you belittle people *for years in your capacity as a veterinarian. I've seen you ridicule I do not belittle people in my capacity as a veterinarian, so I do not believe that statement. *those who were seeking advice. I've seen the incredible lack of *compassion you display for human beings. And I hate to burst your Hardly. *you. I'm sure that overall you are a lovely person, but you are *frequently unkind to those you have made a career of supposedly *providing service, and I don't like it. That is my opinion and I'm That's not true, either. My clients like me. I have had exactly ONE client complain about me - and he wasn't even REALLY upset with me, but with the pricing structure at the hospital which employs me - which was totally not my fault. *perfectly entitled to it. It's quite simple. * Of course you are. I never claimed otherwise. *> I'm sorry you feel that way. I stand firm in my belief that you are *> completely and utterly incorrect about my replies, but obviously your *> feelings are your own. * *Opinion is neither correct nor incorrect, Dr. Israeli, and I do feel Of course not, but as the author I believe I am the only one qualified to state whether or not my writings are belittling, ridiculing, or otherwise. *> I think you mean "I think her responses reflect badly on her profession, *> veterinary medicine," or "I think her responses reflect badly on *> veterinarians in general," or something. What you actually wrote, which I *> quoted above, means that you, as a veterinarian, think my responses *> reflect badly on our shared profession of veterinary medicine. You are not *> a veterinarian as far as I know, are you? * *Tedious, Dr. Israeli, tedious. And indicative of exactly what I said *regarding your behavior. If you think THAT is indicative of being "a nasty bitch," "arrogant," "condescending," "reflecting badly on veterinary medicine," "having the manners of a sailor," then fine. I guess I am. I'm secure in the knowledge that only a vanishing minority of people think similarly to you. *> Well, I'm not a nasty bitch the vast bulk of the time, * *Oh, but you are, indeed, a nasty bitch enough of the time for me to *hold the opinion that while you may be a technically skilled *veterinarian, your people skills are lacking. As I said, you can hold whatever opinion you want. You're mistaken regarding my skill as a practicing veterinarian. Even if I were all the things you said I am on Usenet, it wouldn't necessarily be indicative of my private practice (where, after all, I am paid, as opposed to the volunteerism of Usenet) *> certainly wouldn't be being one on behalf of veterinarians. It isn't like *> there is one "veterinary" response or behavior regarding most issues, *> anyway. * *And again, you illustrate my point. You think? *I've expressed my opinions of you *to* you in the past, Dr. Israeli, Yes, it's all coming back to me now. *and there's really no need for me to express them again. I would *never bring an animal of mine to you for treatment and I would never *recommend you to others, as I've said before. Your technical skills And that's definitely appropriate, given your personal issues. ttfn, h. Signaturehillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net info@hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large :) >As I said, you can hold whatever opinion you want. You're mistaken >regarding my skill as a practicing veterinarian. Even if I were all the >things you said I am on Usenet, it wouldn't necessarily be indicative of >my private practice (where, after all, I am paid, as opposed to the >volunteerism of Usenet) I haven't kept up with this thread very well; but this graph caught my attention. I"m curious....how do you differentiate between your "paid" veterinary advice, and your "free" veterinary advice? And why should there be a difference at all? Sherry circa 18 Jun 2004 22:29:22 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > >As I said, you can hold whatever opinion you want. You're mistaken > >regarding my skill as a practicing veterinarian. Even if I were all the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > veterinary advice, and your "free" veterinary advice? And why should there be a > difference at all? And this is why I don't like the woman. She is the one and only veterinarian on Usenet with whom I've ever taken issue. There are many other veterinarians out there posting who manage to maintain courtesy and respect while still expressing their opinions quite clearly. Dr. Israeli doesn't differentiate between treating people like idiots and "expressing" her opinions. But she will *never* acknowledge her behavior, and that is the strongest reason that I dislike her. If she'd just admit that she's a bitch, I wouldn't give a damn. At least people would be forewarned. It's her claims of magnanimity and service to animals and mankind that nauseate me. Visit her website; it's the most narcissistic display of self- absorption I've ever seen. I'm still waiting for her to figure out that Elspar isn't orderable; during Alex's chemo, she responded to a post of mine and asked why my local vets couldn't just do Alex's l-asparaginase injections rather than referring me to the oncologist in Philly. The oncologist whose knowledge of chemotherapeutic protocols *far* exceeds Hillary Israeli's. The oncologist who knew that l-asparaginase isn't manufactured anymore. The oncologist who was absolutely correct when she told me that it wasn't available for order and that she was running her protocols off of her own frozen stock. Oh, and the oncologist who *developed* l-asparaginase and therefore would probably know what she was talking about with regards to its availability. The one time that we had to get Alex's l-aspar (Elspar) from a source other than his oncologist, we ended up having to buy it from the single [human] hospital in a fifty-mile radius that had *one* old vial left, because *it isn't manufactured anymore* (or at least that was the case at the time Alex was having chemo). And then there were her assumptions that Alex had never been either tested or vaccinated for FeLV and that he had FeLV. Hell, you can read it for yourself: Message-ID: <MPG.16a59fac55a2d8f398969f@news6.bellatlantic.net> I already didn't like Dr. Israeli's behavior before then, but that was the the end of it. I'd seen her nastiness towards people who were desperate for help many, many times, and I'd kept quiet because it wasn't my fray to enter. Once it was, I told her that I would *never* bring any animal of mine to her nor would I recommend her services to anybody because of her utter lack of a bedside manner. What she doesn't get is that it's not her "clients" to whom I refer. I don't know her clients. It's the people whom she has never met and whom she has treated nastily without cause who don't like her. And that's *why* they aren't her clients- she has a bad reputation out there, as I discovered later. I hate to pull out the old "lurkers support me in e-mail" crap, but I was shocked at the flood of e-mail I got after I expressed my opinions of Dr. Israeli to her. She may *think* that everybody just loves her to pieces, but the reality is, she's got a larger pool of people who can't stand her than *I* do. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > Hell, you can read it for yourself: > Message-ID: <MPG.16a59fac55a2d8f398969f@news6.bellatlantic.net> Everyone should read the entire thread, not just that post. The thread makes a lot of things really clear about you. You overreacted, you made certain comments and then lied and said you hadn't made them, you backpedaled when called on your lies, you insulted people, you acted like a complete c.nt, you spewed wrong information and then became vicious and hysterical when confronted. But the lurkers still support you in e-mail, don't they? Everyone needs their imaginary friends. Why not just let this thread die, it is going nowhere and has little to do with the intended subject of the news group!! Allen > Why not just let this thread die, it is going nowhere and has little to do > with the intended subject of the news group!! > > Allen Because we believe in free speech and in everyone's right to beat that damned dead horse just as long as they need to! Or at least I do. > > Why not just let this thread die, it is going nowhere and has little to do > > with the intended subject of the news group!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Because we believe in free speech and in everyone's right to beat that > damned dead horse just as long as they need to! Or at least I do. Your correct, Mary, you are free to say whatever you want to, but the rest of us do not have to listen! If everyone will simply block all of your postings, your dribble will cease to exist even though you will be free to post to your heart's content!! You are officially blocked from my computer. Allen > > > Why not just let this thread die, it is going nowhere and has little to > do [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Allen Blocked from your computer! Oh NO! Now I can NEVER let that thread die, Goatboy. Nobody likes a control freak. Mary <rosefan@email.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Why not just let this thread die, it is going nowhere and has >> little to do with the intended subject of the news group!! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that damned dead horse just as long as they need to! Or at least I > do. A sense of entitlement will never make you a thoughtful individual. |
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