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minerva nine - 31 May 2004 08:35 GMT

So my 14 year old has IBD and needs hypoallergenic cat food. I've been
giving her IVD but recently discovered the parent company is involved in
animal testing, so I'd like to switch. My problem is that I can't find a
hypoallergenic food that is made by a company that *doesn't* do animal
testing. I am not knowledgeable or patient enough to make my own cat food,
and even if I were, I doubt any of the recipes available would meet her
needs (most everything makes her barf). Does anyone know of a
hypoallergenic canned cat food that is made by a reputable company that is
ON RECORD and PROVEN not to be involved in animal testing? Thanks -- M9

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 31 May 2004 10:29 GMT

> So my 14 year old has IBD and needs hypoallergenic cat food. I've been
> giving her IVD but recently discovered the parent company is involved in
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> hypoallergenic canned cat food that is made by a reputable company that is
> ON RECORD and PROVEN not to be involved in animal testing? Thanks -- M9

I can't guarantee this, but it seems to me that technically, all pet food
companies have to test their foods on animals therefore, wouldn't all pet
food companies be involved in animal testing? In the best interests of your
cat, I would probably stick with what works for her. There is no guarantee
that another company's hypoallergenic at food would work for her, and if you
play around with her foods too much, it may just make it worse.

rona

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~*Connie*~ - 01 Jun 2004 01:39 GMT

What is your source on the information? A lot of people like to put out
false information.

If your sure you no longer want to feed IVD, find a vet who is practicing
holistic medicine, and discuss making your own diet for her. It would mean
cooking for her a couple of times a week, but then you would be assured of
where the ingredience came from.

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MIKE - 01 Jun 2004 02:39 GMT

All good pet food companies do feed tests of their products on animals.
This is in no way cruel or dangerous to them. This just assures that
the food provides the needed nutrients and is palatable.

-MIKE

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minerva nine - 01 Jun 2004 16:03 GMT

I'm not talking about the benign feeding trials common to most
pet food companies, I'm talking about the kind of inhumane
testing done by Iams, Science Diet, et. al. (see
http://www.iamscruelty.com -- admittedly not an objective site,
but the data is backed up by other sources) -- M9

> All good pet food companies do feed tests of their products on animals.
> This is in no way cruel or dangerous to them. This just assures that
> the food provides the needed nutrients and is palatable.
>
> -MIKE

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PawsForThought - 01 Jun 2004 17:46 GMT

>From: "minerva nine" minervanine@yahoo.com

>I'm not talking about the benign feeding trials common to most
>pet food companies, I'm talking about the kind of inhumane
>testing done by Iams, Science Diet, et. al. (see
>http://www.iamscruelty.com -- admittedly not an objective site,
>but the data is backed up by other sources) -- M9

So you're talking about testing for cosmetics, etc., right? If you're looking
for a pet food company that doesn't do this, you might want to consider a
homemade diet.
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minerva nine - 01 Jun 2004 19:06 GMT

*sigh*

Does anyone read original posts anymore?

As I said, I don't want to try and make a home-made diet for
her, for a variety of reasons (see the OP).

The testing that IAMS does isn't for cosmetics, it's testing
that IAMS, as a company, does for it's products. Seems pretty
ironic and extreme, doesn't it? This is why they have gotten so
much flak for it -- it's inhumane and uneccessary. Especially
for a company that is supposed to have the health of pets as one
of it's advertised concerns.

M9

> >From: "minerva nine" minervanine@yahoo.com
>
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> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

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kaeli - 01 Jun 2004 19:37 GMT

> *sigh*
>
> Does anyone read original posts anymore?

Not if their server didn't archive them. ;)

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PawsForThought - 01 Jun 2004 21:26 GMT

>From: "minerva nine" minervanine@yahoo.com

>*sigh*
>
>Does anyone read original posts anymore?
>
>As I said, I don't want to try and make a home-made diet for
>her, for a variety of reasons (see the OP).

Some of us are quite busy and don't have time to go back and find the OP, know
what I mean? If you don't like the advise you get, say thanks to the poster
for their taking their time to try to help you, and then go on to the next
post. No one here gets paid to give advice but rather do it out of kindness.

>The testing that IAMS does isn't for cosmetics, it's testing
>that IAMS, as a company, does for it's products. Seems pretty
>ironic and extreme, doesn't it?

What products would those be? Pet food companies will test on their pet food.
Feeding trials are used and if the animal doesn't die or become grossly ill,
the food gets passed.
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minerva nine - 01 Jun 2004 23:51 GMT

> Some of us are quite busy and don't have time to go back and find the OP, know
> what I mean? If you don't like the advise you get, say thanks to the poster
> for their taking their time to try to help you, and then go on to the next
> post. No one here gets paid to give advice but rather do it out of kindness.

I understand what you mean, but it's quite frustrating to post
something to the group and then get a bunch of responses that
are unrelated to the original question. If one is too busy to
read the original post (which, by the way, is usually attached
to the message one responds to, if one will simply scroll down
and read it), then where does one find time to respond at all?
If we're all too busy to pay attention to what we're responding
to, it seems to me that bedlam is just around the corner.

But -- point taken: it's usenet. So I'll shut up now.

M9

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MacCandace - 03 Jun 2004 04:48 GMT

<< If we're all too busy to pay attention to what we're responding
to, it seems to me that bedlam is just around the corner. >>

I should post that where I work, it seems to fit. I like it.

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kaeli - 03 Jun 2004 20:34 GMT

> I understand what you mean, but it's quite frustrating to post
> something to the group and then get a bunch of responses that
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>
> But -- point taken: it's usenet. So I'll shut up now.

Just an FYI: only two people bothered to quote the original article, and
the one that was replied to was top-posted (many of us are not used to
top-posting, as it is considered a Bad Thing in many other groups). The
rest didn't have any of the original content. Kind of like this post.

I'll shut up now. :)

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