>I am treating a young cat which has had cat flu since birth and was lucky to
>survive.
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>What to obtain to help her breathe?
>Thanks.
Are you self prescribing or under a vets care?
-mhd
sara - 25 May 2004 20:43 GMT
> >I am treating a young cat which has had cat flu since birth and was lucky to
> >survive.
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>
> Are you self prescribing or under a vets care?
Stupid answer.
> -mhd
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 25 May 2004 21:33 GMT
>> Are you self prescribing or under a vets care?
>
>Stupid answer.
Don't be such a bitch. I asked because you never mentioned the word
vet once in your post. That cat needs a vet's care.
-mhd
Mary - 25 May 2004 22:00 GMT
> >> Are you self prescribing or under a vets care?
> >
> >Stupid answer.
>
> Don't be such a bitch. I asked because you never mentioned the word
> vet once in your post. That cat needs a vet's care.
Yes she did.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 25 May 2004 21:36 GMT
>> >Due to circumstances it is not possible to take her in to the vet for
>> >treatment or even the nearest house to try steam.
Oops missed that. Get the cat to a vet instead of giving unprescribed
medications.
You have a cat whose "lungs and stomach are heaving" and you are
asking in a newsgroup for help?
-mhd
Mary - 25 May 2004 22:02 GMT
> >> >Due to circumstances it is not possible to take her in to the vet for
> >> >treatment or even the nearest house to try steam.
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> You have a cat whose "lungs and stomach are heaving" and you are
> asking in a newsgroup for help?
Yet another helpful answer. There are times and situations when people just
cannot take every stray they find to the vet. Sara is asking if there is
anything else she can do.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 25 May 2004 22:46 GMT
>Yet another helpful answer. There are times and situations when people just
>cannot take every stray they find to the vet. Sara is asking if there is
>anything else she can do.
Get real. This cat is in a crisis situation and was medicated without
any medical expertise involved. This could be the cats problem right
there.
Other than take the cat to a vet what safe advice is she going to get
here? More suggestions to try a different drug?
Where is your helpful advice the way?
-mhd
sara - 25 May 2004 23:31 GMT
> > >> >Due to circumstances it is not possible to take her in to the vet for
> > >> >treatment or even the nearest house to try steam.
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> cannot take every stray they find to the vet. Sara is asking if there is
> anything else she can do.
Thank you Mary,
People like that should stay off the newsgroup. Two psychos in a row
answering someone who is distressed is two too many.
Treating wild cats in isolated areas is not easy.
The reason I posted was that the vet did not know, or does not think there
is, a way of unblocking nasal congestion in cats. Vets in the Agricultural
countryside often know little about small animals as they spend their lives
working with farm animals so I am looking for a second opinion.
If I cant find a way to unblock this animals nose immeadiatly it will die
because it cannot take its antibiotics, eat ot drink. It would die in the
local surgery as it is small, has loads of noisy dogs barking etc, and being
wild she would be terrified.
I tried Vicks Sinex but no good.
Sara.
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Mary - 26 May 2004 00:09 GMT
> I tried Vicks Sinex but no good.
> Sara.
Where are you? I just read a bunch of stuff regarding
treatment when congestion reaches the stage you are
describing, and the cat is going to die without going to the vet for a nasal
or other type of injection. Are you the only person with pets where you
live? There are no rescue organizations, no shelters? Something just does
not sound right. I mean, honestly, how much could a shot cost?
Mary - 26 May 2004 01:00 GMT
Sara--
Sudafed is sometimes prescribed for stuffed up cats. Go to Google for groups
and put "pseudofed" in the search box, there is a huge discussion. From it,
I see that the post below addresses the issue too. (Though you do need to
get her to a vet somehow, I am afraid she is beyond this now.)
by zuzu22@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nov 15, 2003 at 04:15 PM
The dose prescribed sounds awfully high and I wouldn't be inclined to
trust the vet.
I would stay away from that.
When I had a congested cat it was prescribed *children's* neo-synephrine
nasal drops (which is .025% IIRC) at one drop in each nostril twice a
day for 2-3 days. It shouldn't be used for longer than that but that
should be enough. Using a very warm damp compress on the kitten's nose
beforehand will loosen up and help to drain the sinus and should be done
before administering the nosedrops. URI's are often herpes related, so
adding 250-500 mg a day of Lysine (get the capsule form and mix the
powder in with some babyfood or canned food) will also help.
Megan
sara - 26 May 2004 01:42 GMT
> Sara--
>
> Sudafed is sometimes prescribed for stuffed up cats. Go to Google for groups
> and put "pseudofed" in the search box, there is a huge discussion. From it,
> I see that the post below addresses the issue too. (Though you do need to
> get her to a vet somehow, I am afraid she is beyond this now.)
Thanks Mary,
I have looked that up and read that Chlorpheniramine is commonly recommended
for cats. Pseudoephedrine (Sudafed Tm)is also sometimes helpful. ... I am
going to try to find somewhere for her tomorrow. The conditions in the
animal stay room at nearest vet that treats small animals is apallingly
noisy and cramped and I believe that an already ill wild cat who has never
been confined inside a building, especially full of barking dogs, would die
there.
I dont have any transport which doesent help! I'll phone around and take
advice in the morning.
Sara.
> by zuzu22@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nov 15, 2003 at 04:15 PM
>
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hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 26 May 2004 03:45 GMT
Mary, I commend you for trying to find qualified advice and also for
trying to talk her into seeing a vet. Home treatment is not going to
save this cat I'm afraid.
-mhd
>Sara--
>
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>
>Megan
Mary - 26 May 2004 04:04 GMT
> Mary, I commend you for trying to find qualified advice and also for
> trying to talk her into seeing a vet. Home treatment is not going to
> save this cat I'm afraid.
>
> -mhd
Yeah, I have this terrible feeling. I hope I'm not right.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 26 May 2004 03:37 GMT
>Thank you Mary,
>People like that should stay off the newsgroup. Two psychos in a row
>answering someone who is distressed is two too many.
Psycho??? I fricken asked you if you are following a vets
recommendation.
You are one f.cked up piece of work to come here and ask for advice
then insult me after giving meds to a cat without professional
direction.
-mhd
Mary - 25 May 2004 22:05 GMT
> > >now that she cannot eat or drink. Her lungs and stomach are heaving.
> > >Without opening her breathing passages soon I am afraid that she will
> die.
Sara,
Is there a vet you can call and ask to see her gratis? Or ask for advice?
Surely someone would help you given the condition of the cat and what you
have already done for her. It sounds too serious for any sort of home
remedy. Is there a shelter near you that might be able to help with a
volunteer vet?
sara - 25 May 2004 23:38 GMT
> > > >now that she cannot eat or drink. Her lungs and stomach are heaving.
> > > >Without opening her breathing passages soon I am afraid that she will
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> remedy. Is there a shelter near you that might be able to help with a
> volunteer vet?
Hi Mary,
I answered that to your other post so you can understand.
All the vet said they could do would be to give her a series of injections.
One injection to a wild cat and you would never see it again!
I am confident that the antibiotics by mouth are as good but she could'nt
drink the milk with the medicine in it today so it is vital that I get her
nasal passage cleared. She could drown drinking milk at the moment as her
nose, lungs and whole respitory sytem are clogged.
Not only is she unable to breathe properly but she cannot eat or drink.
Sara.
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Cheryl - 26 May 2004 01:21 GMT
> Hi Mary,
> I answered that to your other post so you can understand.
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> clogged. Not only is she unable to breathe properly but she cannot eat
> or drink. Sara.
I had to nurse a congested feral through to wellness after her spay. Like
you, it was practically impossible to get her back to a vet in her wild
state. I did, however, have the resources to get some antibiotics from
the local clinic without taking her in. But getting the pills in to her
is another story. I was told it was most likely viral, so ABs wouldn't
help unless she developed a secondary infection. Most likely it was
feline herpes virus which can be made better by giving 250MG of L-Lysine
(purchased in a grocery store, or health food store) 2x per day for a
week or two. Again, how to get it in her? Since I couldn't get close
enough to force feed her, I heated up some canned kitten food in the
microwave (makes it smell stronger), broke open a 500 MG capsule of L-
lysine and mixed 1/2 in. She wouldn't eat on her own (hissed and swatted
at me, wanted me dead), so I taped a spoon to a long wooden spoon to give
distance between us and I would put small spoonfuls under her nose, a
little *on* her nose (the top, not near the nostrils) and she ended up
first licking it off her nose. The first couple of times this didn't go
as expected but you have to keep up with it until they eat something.
When she tasted it, she realized she was hungry so ate the food from the
spoon. I mixed the ABs in to the food, also. I was able to get 1/2 can of
food into her per day the first few days (many many feeding times, it was
liking having a newborn), gradually she ate more and more and then felt
better. Still didn't trust me, but that also grew with time. As a bonus,
they will start to connect you with feeding the food and it helps with
bonding. Good luck.

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sara - 26 May 2004 01:50 GMT
> > Hi Mary,
> > I answered that to your other post so you can understand.
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> they will start to connect you with feeding the food and it helps with
> bonding. Good luck.
Thats a lovely story Cheryl. Actually I have won its affection and trust to
the point that she will take the food from me. She has been taking
antibiotics until today (ground in milk) when she was too congested to eat.
Anyway, tomorrow I will have to get on the phone and sort something out. I
am going to try to find somewhere suitable for her. A sanctuary might be
good where she can be treated as a wild animal and not caged with loads of
other pet animals in one room. I am concerned that being in captivity would
sap her will to live...and no medicine can fix that.
Mary - 26 May 2004 02:12 GMT
> > > Hi Mary,
> > > I answered that to your other post so you can understand.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> other pet animals in one room. I am concerned that being in captivity would
> sap her will to live...and no medicine can fix that.
Do keep us posted. And bless you for looking after her.
PawsForThought - 25 May 2004 23:53 GMT
>From: "sara" sara@home.nospam
>> >Due to circumstances it is not possible to take her in to the vet for
>> >treatment or even the nearest house to try steam. One attempt at an
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> >her any release.
>> >What to obtain to help her
Does she have a bacterial infection? What made you decide to give her Synulox?
Who told you to give her Vicks? Is that even safe for cats? What is this
powder you are referring to?
Why can't you take this cat to a vet? She will die more than likely if you
don't.
I would suggest at least posting to the vet board - alt.med.veterinary
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hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 26 May 2004 03:33 GMT
>>From: "sara" sara@home.nospam
>
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> I would suggest at least posting to the vet board - alt.med.veterinary
>________
At last another sane voice in this thread.
-mhd
>What to obtain to help her breathe?
I use a human baby booger sucker to suck boogies out of thier nose. Do not put
the tip in the nostril. Touch the tip to the outside of the nose. I have also
used baby decongestant. I go by weight. I use amoxycillin to treat kitten
infections. I also use olive leaf extract. You can buy amoxycillin for fish
without a prescription. The dosage is 3 250 mg pills mixed with 15 ml of water.
Shake well and give .2 cc twice a day. I'm not a vet. With olive leaf extract I
use a pinky fingernail full, or about 1/4 of the capsule. Mix with water, tuna
juice and put in a syringe and squirt in her mouth. Kittens can die pretty
quickly so this baby needs help now.
Hi Mary and Cheryl,
Just to say I made a deal with the vet in the nearest town to take in the
cat but keep her in a quiet place away from their noisy animal stay room. So
she will be in ten days or two weeks. hopefully she will be
ok....................I have to find some way to pay the bill, but I feel a
weight off my shoulders.
"sara" <sara@home.nospam> wrote in message news:...
> > > <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in message
> > > news:n287b0tr0pqgbctfi2ms7spgubc48fe3q0@4ax.com...
> > > > "sara" <sara@home.nospam> wrote:
> > > > >now that she cannot eat or drink. Her lungs and stomach are
heaving.
> > > > >Without opening her breathing passages soon I am afraid that she
will
> > > die.
> >
> > Sara,
> >
> > Is there a vet you can call and ask to see her gratis? Or ask for
advice?
> > Surely someone would help you given the condition of the cat and what
you
> > have already done for her. It sounds too serious for any sort of home
> > remedy. Is there a shelter near you that might be able to help with a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I answered that to your other post so you can understand.
> All the vet said they could do would be to give her a series of
injections.
> One injection to a wild cat and you would never see it again!
> I am confident that the antibiotics by mouth are as good but she could'nt
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
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Mary - 27 May 2004 01:26 GMT
> Hi Mary and Cheryl,
> Just to say I made a deal with the vet in the nearest town to take in the
> cat but keep her in a quiet place away from their noisy animal stay room. So
> she will be in ten days or two weeks. hopefully she will be
> ok....................I have to find some way to pay the bill, but I feel a
> weight off my shoulders.
Sara, I'm so glad she is getting vet care. Good for you. What did the vet
say and why does she have to be in there so long? Boarding alone is going to
cost a lot if they do it there the way they do it here. Did they give you an
estimate? I'm so glad you've taken this step.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 27 May 2004 03:38 GMT
>Just to say I made a deal with the vet in the nearest town to take in the
>cat but keep her in a quiet place away from their noisy animal stay room. So
>she will be in ten days or two weeks. hopefully she will be
>ok....................I have to find some way to pay the bill, but I feel a
>weight off my shoulders.
Glad to hear it. Please post an update.
-mhd
What is the situation that prevents you from taking this cat to the vet?
Perhaps someone nearby could come and get her and take her for a check-up.
M9
> I am treating a young cat which has had cat flu since birth and was lucky to
> survive.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> What to obtain to help her breathe?
> Thanks.
> What to obtain to help her breathe?
> Thanks.
Try batheing the cat in gasoline, I know gas is expensive nowadaze but
it opens the sinuses up.
James Marz
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