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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2008Stopping cat from using neighbor's garden as toilet.
Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) TIA. sandy58 formulated on Tuesday : > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) > TIA. My grandmother used to put very small sticks in newly sowed soil at different angles to prevent the cats from squatting down. She also filled bottles with water and laid them on the flower beds, I think the intention was that the cat would get scared by the reflection in it's eyes. There was one Ginger Tom who would cross her lawn each day and would stop and stare at her through the window. She would bang the window and the Tom would not move until she opened the door to shoo him on his way, they are clever and he did this to get back at her. I believe in garden centres and hardware stores you can purchase a type of gel that disuades the cat from going where it is not wanted.  SignatureCount Baldoni > sandy58 formulated on Tuesday : > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > Count Baldoni The water bottles worked for us in South Africa with dogs but I didn't know about cats. I'll set out a few of them too. Thanks, Count Baldoni. :-) > sandy58 formulated on Tuesday : > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > Count Baldoni I have just been to the garden centre locally & bought a spray. I took it to the neighbour in question. She showed me her deterent, the only alternative I saw in the garden centre. So she has both. Hopefully the wee beastie will stay out of there. :-) sandy58 pretended : >> sandy58 formulated on Tuesday : >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > alternative I saw in the garden centre. So she has both. Hopefully the > wee beastie will stay out of there. :-) Hopefully all will turn out well and it will work out well for all parties. Nice that you were both able to discuss this. :-) SignatureCount Baldoni Sandy, only note is if it is a food garden, to be sure it's a safe chemical for the plants. There are some that are! Others are toxic and wil be absorbed by the food plants. If it's a flower garden, not an issue <g>. I have heard some home remedies using safe products, but am not sure how effective they are. One of them was so hairbrained, I can tell it will not work but just for chuckles, here is that one (grin). Put a light sprinkle of dry catfood in there. Cat is supposed to associate this now with a food place and wont use it as a latrine. (No, it doesnt work, but it was pretty funny!). > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) > TIA. Keep it inside. deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : >> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) >> TIA. > > Keep it inside. But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out at some point. It is only natural. SignatureCount Baldoni > deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out > at some point. It is only natural. Bullshit. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays. If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil. cybercat has brought this to us : >> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : >>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop > a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil. There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your animals then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living outdoors when they were first employed by humans. SignatureCount Baldoni >cybercat has brought this to us : >>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >animals then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living >outdoors when they were first employed by humans. So just tell your neighbor that when your cat sh.ts in his flowers. Just for the record... I only ever had one cat in many, many years that showed any real desire to go outside. She indicated to us that she wanted to be outside by trying to run out every time we opened the door. She got out ONCE, and only once, and I did feel badly that we had to keep her contained, because she so wanted to be outside. On that one occassion she caught a Tufted Titmouse (a lovely little song bird that we feed at our feeders), and she accomplished this task within ten minutes of getting outside. Don't ask me how... but she managed it! Pretty smart cat I think! When she came back to the front to be let inside she had the bird in her mouth. She meowed to be let inside and the bird flew away luckily, unharmed. Other than that one cat I have never had a cat that ever had any desire to go out. My one cat wants to go out all the time. And he is one that I have had since he was 6 weeks old and he has never lived a day outside. Go figure. I do let him out....completely supervised on a leash. My other cat doesn't have much desire to go out. S. Signature**Visit me and my cats at http://www.island-cats.com/ ** --- > Just for the record... I only ever had one cat in many, many years > that showed any real desire to go outside. She indicated to us that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than that one cat I have never had a cat that ever had any > desire to go out. I do not expect someone else to follow my standards. The choice of whether to let a cat go outside or to strictly be an indoor cat is a very individual choice. This is a public forum and everyone is entitled to their ideas and feelings. This is a public forum (just reminding you again)! I would never expect someone to agree absolutely with me. For me it is a very personal choice... I keep my cats indoors because it is such a f---ing painful experience when I lose a cat! I feel absolutely totally responsible when one of my cats dies. I do not care to go through that experience again if at all possible. Therefore, my cats STAY INSIDE. This forum seems to be about taking RESPONSIBILITY for your pet, never a bad thing when you consider how many irresponsible caretakers are out there. It has been proven many times over that cats who are allowed outside meet with early demises. Generally they enjoy about 1/4 - 1/2 the lifespan of a cat that stays inside for its entire lifespan. There are many good arguments for letting cats roam as well. Would human beings want to be cooped up in a house all day? However, If you post to this group knowing how everyone else feels about the subject and you post a post in contrast to the groups belief system, then you are only bringing wrath on yourself and you are doing it at your own expense. If you truly want to make a point, I do believe you HAVE TO BE sensitive to others feelings. That is the ONLY way you are going to get anywhere, successfully... Mathew and Cybercat have every right to their ideas (more so than you, a newbie!!!) and anyone who knowingly DISAGREES is only trying to stir things up. Ridiculous. You have not accomplished ONE SINGLE THING EXCEPT TO STIR UP HARD FEELINGS!!! Do you feel better? Keep fighting... NO ONE WINS!!! NO ONE!!!! Except perhaps the group who was already established to begin with!!! So tell me, what have you gained??? MC who are you replying to I have not expressed my opinion about it just always this inside outside argument/ debate always starts by some newbie than the regulars jump on the band wagon and the flaming begins The newbie that started it is just a punk from alt.cracks not even something to worry about typical troll POS >I do not expect someone else to follow my standards. The choice of > whether to let a cat go outside or to strictly be an indoor cat is a [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > perhaps the group who was already established to begin with!!! So tell > me, what have you gained??? Hey Matthew, I have nothing but respect for you! Cybercat too! Every "regular" on this board has only the best interest of the cat in mind, a refreshing switch. Cats have no voices. WE must be their voices! These vicious, ridiculous and unworthy attacks by sandy58 are absurd and unfounded. It seems to me that "sandy58" is just trying to stir things up and cause trouble. Nothing more, nothing less. She is not gaining ANYTHING but HARD FEELINGS with her "debate". To make matters worse, it appears that she already has some knowledge of the general feeling this board holds as far as this particular subject is concerned. It really isn't as if she stumbled upon all of this "accidentally". I am so glad this world has people in it like you and Cybercat. Thank you for sticking up for our voiceless friends. AMEN. <chuckle> I do still have a lot to learn about these usenet (?) groups... hehehe But thank you for standing up for what you believe in. no problem you see these trolls all the time and thank you > Hey Matthew, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > But thank you for standing up for what you believe in. ps don't forget the others such as Phil, Rhonda,Cindy, sherry and the others that make this group as vocal as we are ;-) > Hey Matthew, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > But thank you for standing up for what you believe in. Sorry to keep the post going; I just had to ad that... mc explained : > Sorry to keep the post going; I just had to ad that... Why be sorry this is the last bastion of free speech left in the world. If you believe in your words then don't be ashamed to pipe up. I like to think if someone does not agree then they should have the level of intelligence to ignore the posts. SignatureCount Baldoni > mc explained : > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Count Baldoni Last bastion of free speech??? That is funny! I feel sorry for you if you see it that way. Count Baldoni, why don't you follow your own excellent advice? I don't confuse free speech with courtesy and respect for other peoples feelings, that is sure. So when you adopted your "pride and joy 'silver spotted'" did you try to litter box train him? Truthfully, I have no real feeling either way --- I can respect someones ideas about wanting a cat to be free. I have no ideas that my way is better, but I do know that I feel such a tremendous loss when a pet dies that I don't want to go through that again --- I am not willing to risk it. Too many potential dangers to the cat. I do know that a cats life span is greatly increased by keeping it indoors, and I have not seen that cats "miss" being outside when they are kept indoors. The idea that cats "miss" being "out of doors" is a fallacy. Some cats do want to be outside... but I believe it is more of a personality thing with the cat than a standard to follow. Anyway, just some food for thought... on 18/03/2008, hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com supposed : >> cybercat has brought this to us : >>>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > So just tell your neighbor that when your cat sh.ts in his flowers. I can tell you something. I adopted a young "silver spotted" who previously lived solely indoors and was not provided with a litter tray/box. So he sh.t and pissed in the bath and it stank to high heaven. Now he can go out he loves it and he has even got into the habit of going to sh.t outside and that pleases me very much. However it is my land that he uses as a toilet and I don't mind one iota or jot. SignatureCount Baldoni > There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your animals > then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living outdoors when > they were first employed by humans. BD, domestic cats were created by humans. They still have a few of the big cat instincts, but we have created a species that relies on us for safety. If your cat is pooping in a garden, the neighbors cannot eat anything grown in it. Cats have a bacteria in their feces that is pretty nasty. Any cat poo composting has to be buried far away from anything growing to be eaten. If you choose to let your cat out, you must already understand the risks -- so be it. But your cat cannot be allowed in other yards, that is just not fair to your neighbors. I only see two solutions, you stay out with your cat and bring him in when you come in, or build a cat fence. There are several websites on how to build nice cat-proof enclosures. We compromised by building cat balconies out a couple of our windows. The balconies are completely enclosed with hardware cloth, but they stick out from the house into the sun. The cats love them. Rhonda cybercat brought next idea : >> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : >>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop > a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil. I am old enough to remember when my grandfather kept a boxing kangeroo around the house, pigs and a couple of camels. The camels were no problem but having seen what the pigs and the kangeroo did to the gardens I doubt very much I will need to come here in the future asking questions about a roaming cat ! SignatureCount Baldoni > >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) > >>> TIA. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop > a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil. Up yours, jack. who made you da boss? because you have a cat now your a cat specialist??? and I DON'T think. What's your problem? Anti-UK or just Bolshi? Try a bit harder Cyber-PUSS. :-) >> 18/03/2008 : >> >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > just Bolshi? > Try a bit harder Cyber-PUSS. :-) Nice comeback. My comment, of course, still stands. If you let the cat out, then shut the f.ck up about what happens while the cat is out. And when the cat is slaughtered by a dog or hit by a car, or infected from a wound in a cat fight, or poisoned by a "not so nice" neighbor" don't come in here and whine about it unless you want to get flamed then, too. a.shole. > >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) > >>> TIA. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop > a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil. "a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil. You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-) I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee bugger. > "a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil. > You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-) > I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee > bugger. If she has a wife, she hasn't told us about it. Rhonda AAA +++ Rhonda... >> "a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil. >> You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rhonda Could make a good movie out of that ;-) <evil grin> >>>"a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil. >>>You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > <evil grin> Hmmm, I think "good" is in the eye of the beholder, and my eyes won't be beholdin' this one, I can tell you that... Rhonda :) <chuckles> Sandy58 --- since when did someone have to be an english major to post to a usenet group??? The last laugh is on you!!! You are the joke! Everyone knows it but you!!! hahahaha > "a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil. > You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-) > I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee > bugger. That would be definition #5 below. You provincial louts just kill me. e·lim·i·nate /?'l?m??ne?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-lim-uh-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing. 1.to remove or get rid of, esp. as being in some way undesirable: to eliminate risks; to eliminate hunger. 2.to omit, esp. as being unimportant or irrelevant; leave out: I have eliminated all statistical tables, which are of interest only to the specialist. 3.to remove from further consideration or competition, esp. by defeating in a contest. 4.to eradicate or kill: to eliminate the enemy. 5.Physiology. to void or expel from an organism. 6.Mathematics. to remove (a quantity) from an equation by elimination. > deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out > at some point. It is only natural. I just had to chime in after that comment. Recently, after 4 years of being a happy indoor only cat, my Isabelle decided she wanted out. It took her a week to accomplish this as I was being as vigilant as possible at the door. However, I must confess that my keeping a cat indoors techniques aren't up to snuff as they are unused with my other two who would rather poke their eyes out with a stick then step foot outside. I had just taken a bag of used litter out to the trash can and was coming back in the door when she flew past like she had been fired from a cannon and proceeded to disappear into the night. I searched outside for her but she was gone. The next morning I searched the neighborhood again, shaking a bag of food all the while, to no avail. She finally turned up around 3:30 that afternoon. I was so relieved to hear her crying at the back door. Fortunately she came home unscathed but must have scared the crap out of herself because she hasn't asked to go out since. Just because she wanted out doesn't mean she belongs out there. She tried it and agrees with me. W I have to chime in one more time as well. Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure. I know that, along with everyone else on this board, that every single one of "sandy58's" posts are filled with grammatical errors. How the hell she dares to point fingers is beyond me. The only one she is kidding is herself. Grammatical errors? "Sandy58" has the grammar skills of a grade school child. If she even went to High School she must have had a really tough time of it! WOW!!! Look who is calling the kettle black! Too funny! >I have to chime in one more time as well. > > Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying > to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what > grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure. You know, that was about as interesting as she got for me. I actually looked up "eliminate," thinking I was using it wrong. I would love to know when I make mistakes, grammatically or otherwise. Makes me a better writer, just like taking constructive criticism makes me a better person. Still, her poor cat. Bet she won't have it long. Also bet her "be fwee wild fing" philosophy has more to do with her distaste for cleaning the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right? >>I have to chime in one more time as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping > and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right? I think Sandy is a guy but who really cares about a punk > I think Sandy is a guy but who really cares about a punk I should have know she was a guy! lol SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> wrote in news:47e18696$0$25989$88260bb3 @free.teranews.com: > I should have know she was a guy! lol because? Said very well, actually ;-) cybercat formulated the question : >>I have to chime in one more time as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping > and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right? Maybe she thinks it is only right that her cat can go outside. A contentious argument but not one worth getting agitated or obsessed about. I don't care whether people keep their cats in or out that is up to them, but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them in and that is the general view. SignatureCount Baldoni But she got so inflamed when some persons on the board disagreed with her. She really went off the deep end. Rather than staying on the subject of her cat and her neighbors garden, she began attacking a couple of people on this board with issues that had nothing to do with her post. These people she was attacking have been on this forum far longer than she has. There is no way she is going to win this. She is clearly not new to the newsgroups, so she surely should know better. Then, in another post, not long afterward, she again tried to trash one of the above mentioned members of this board... and lets see, where did that get her??? I feel sorry for her cat based on her behavior on this forum... kind of makes you wonder what sort of life the cat has. But I am not so stupid as to think we can judge a persons true nature by one small mishap on a forum, I still have to give her some sort of benefit of the doubt. I don't think anyone is all bad. But think about this for a moment. She is going to give her neighbor something to put on said neighbors garden. Do these products ever work? Not really. Believe you me, if it was that easy there would be no issue at all. I cannot tell you how many times my husband and I have tried to keep other pests out of the garden, from moles, to rabbits, to woodchucks, to deer. Maybe this "product" will work. I don't know what she purchased. But I am guessing it will work about as well as any and all other advice I have gotten over the years to keep other pests out of my garden. On the other hand... think about it, really, how much damage could a cat do in a garden? I can't believe too much. But then one does have to respect their neighbors boundaries, too. I wonder what is going to happen when this product she purchased fails to work? It is absurd. She flew off the handle because some people disagreed with her. As far as the issue of keeping cats indoors or outdoors, I too, have family members who always let their cats out. My neighbors up the road from us do too.They go for a year or two, maybe three or four years and oh, guess what? The cat gets hit by a car. For my own self, though, I keep mine inside. I just don't want to lose them. We live in the country, two miles from a fairly small town where there is not a lot of traffic, but a quarter of a mile or so from here is a road that leads to the next town and is a shortcut to a local highway, but it is by no means a busy road. I don't think cars are such an issue over this way. I never see dead cats on the side of the road, but we have hunters here. The guy that lives behind us bow hunts all year around. I would not trust these folks to not shoot a cat if given half a chance. If you could see the number of deer around here that are found with bows sticking through them, you would be horrified. I can think of many, many other reasons to keep a cat inside. But I do agree with you. It is your choice, and a lot of people choose to allow their cats to roam. I personally am not going to change that. All I can do is tell people why I keep MY cats inside. Hopefully they will at least think about it. Once again, sorry for the book... But I am really a peacemaker... hehehe > Once again, sorry for the book... But I am really a peacemaker... > hehehe hehe! Mc, can you include a little snippest of the post to which you are replying, so that those of us who don't read in a "tree" format can know who you are responding to? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Yes, I will do that from now on and thank you for the heads up, that does make more sense. I find it confusing as well. This is all sort of new to me yet. That last post I posted I was responding to Baldoni. I was referring to sandy's trying to attack you and Matthew... You guys did nothing wrong but she got really bent out of shape over some advice she didn't like. No worry, everyone can see her for what she is - I bet she is a man, LOL :-) I got my newsreader up and running and am looking forward to working with it ;-) > cybercat formulated the question : >>>I have to chime in one more time as well. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them in and that is > the general view. Right. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > cybercat formulated the question : >>>I have to chime in one more time as well. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them in and that is > the general view. Just jumping in to comment... It used to be the "general view" that the world was flat. It used to be the "general view" that blood-letting was a cure for many illnesses. It used to be the "general view" that the sun moon and stars revolved around the earth which was the center of all creation. The "general view" is never a good reason to believe something is good or factual. Just saying.... Hugs, CatNipped CatNipped formulated the question : >> cybercat formulated the question : >>>>I have to chime in one more time as well. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > CatNipped No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be let outside in Europe than the USA. Why this is I don't know ? SignatureCount Baldoni > CatNipped formulated the question : Catnipped, that was put really well. Baldoni, I don't necesarily think that it is true that people in the US are more apt to keep their cats inside, but I could be wrong. I really don't know. I sure see a lot of "pet" cats out here in my neighborhood. I think it is more likely, though, that on this forum - and probably many other forums, because the people spending their time here really care about the cats, as opposed to people who just keep them as pets, so to speak, but may not have the cats very best interests at heart. I hope that makes sense. >> CatNipped formulated the question : > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I hope that makes sense. I can take it from here and make show something that make points real well from one of our own posters http://www.maxshouse.com/Healthy+Happy_Indoors.htm#Inside%20or%20Out mc formulated on Thursday : >> CatNipped formulated the question : > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I hope that makes sense. Yes indeed it makes sense. Also America is a much larger country than Britain and it would be impossible to work out here who lets there cats in and out and so on. SignatureCount Baldoni > No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling > from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be let > outside in Europe than the USA. Why this is I don't know ? Me either. It can't be because UK folks like the convenience of not dealing with the litterbox and justify this using the "be fwee wild fing" nonsense. What I do know is that inside, your cat is at the mercy of known risks, outside, not so much. And the known risks are different. Inside: getting a collar tangled up, trying for a high leap and falling, maybe a housefire. Outside? ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE. Including other cats, dogs, people who will poison cats for pooping in their gardens, people who enjoy hurting other living things, and will actually torture and kill nice fat little tabbies, cars, and last but not least--disease. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling >> from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > will actually torture and kill nice fat little tabbies, cars, and last but > not least--disease. Just heard yet another story on the news about a man setting a cat on fire and leaving it to die in an apartment parking lot (he knew the owner, a teenaged girl). At least we have fairly stiff felony cruelty laws here in Texas, but that doesn't seem to stop the psychos (guess what, surprise, surprise, he had previous assault convictions on his record). Hugs, CatNipped > >> No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling > >> from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be Likewise, over here we had some kids abuse a cat and left it to die... someone found it, miraculously, still alive... but the losers had cut ears off the cat. I just heard (via a flyer at the pet store I go to) that the cat has since been adopted. That is a lucky cat. Many are not as fortunate. > Likewise, over here we had some kids abuse a cat and left it to die... > someone found it, miraculously, still alive... but the losers had cut [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That is a lucky cat. Many are not as fortunate. True, which is why I tend to rescue facility pets. > True, which is why I tend to rescue facility pets. AMEN :-) I tend to prefer the adult rescues myself. I really don't mind not having the joy of a kitten running around my house. I prefer to give a needy adult cat a good home. I don't care what they look like; I am all about their personalities.... for which they are abundant. I prefer to take in strays as well... cats that really need a good home. Too many people out there seem to want to have kittens for their "cuteness" and then grow tired of them. The best cats I have ever had were strays. After serious thinking Wendy wrote : >> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : >>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > W We had a problem where a cat was trying to get in through our door and nothing would frighten him away. I noticed him a while ago with a collar and came to the conclusion that he was crafty and pretending to be a stray. I have seen a cat do this in the past. SignatureCount Baldoni > After serious thinking Wendy wrote : >>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and came to the conclusion that he was crafty and pretending to be a > stray. I have seen a cat do this in the past. Maybe he was trying to bum an extra supper - you know eat at home and then play stray to get a second helping. W Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:45 GMT from Baldoni <baldoniXX@gmail.com>: > deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : > >> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go > out at some point. It is only natural. what's your point? It's natural for humans to squat naked in caves and eat bugs, but that doesn't mean it's desirable. Seriously, it is a myth that cats "need" to roam outside, and what cats want doesn't always match what is best for them. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... > Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:45 GMT from Baldoni <baldoniXX@gmail.com>: >> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 : [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Seriously, it is a myth that cats "need" to roam outside, and what > cats want doesn't always match what is best for them. Yeah, I want to eat 6 cheeseburgers with bacon and a gallon of ice-cream each day but .... I don't know... I can't wait for Sandy58 to come back and try to post again... Wait til she finds out the stuff she purchased at the store doesn't work. >I don't know... I can't wait for Sandy58 to come back and try to post > again... Wait til she finds out the stuff she purchased at the store > doesn't work. ;-) Probably won't. Cats go where cats go. There's not really a whole lot you can do about it when it comes to outdoor locations. Me, I'd just consider it a little extra fertilizer and not worry about it! > > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) > > TIA. > > Keep it inside. Yeah, RIGHT! >> > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-) >> > TIA. >> >> Keep it inside. > > Yeah, RIGHT! try Google next time if you don't like the answer freaking newbie's always start this damn debate always happens > >> "sandy58" <alecki...@googlemail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > freaking newbie's always start this damn debate always happens A newbie? hahahahahah What a sad bunny. So what did Santa NOT bring you for that time of year? I think to be a real newbie re; cats I'd have to be about 6 months old. And what "damn debate" did I start? Bah! Humbug! Matt aka Scrooge. "sandy58" <aleckie60@googlemail.com> < snipped for being posted by a twit> In the garbage file you go make sure you go back to school when break is over Try keeping your cat indoors and using a litter box - safer for the cat.
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