Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2008
Kittens on Posted State Property
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catinthehat - 11 Mar 2008 03:35 GMT Probably a hopeless case, but I thought I'd run it past you guys. I live next to a freeway. There's about a half-acre of landscaped area - a "green belt" they call it -- bushes, hedges, trees, etc leading to an embankment up to the freeway. This area is the property of the highway dept and is behind a serious 8 ft fence with spiked wire on the top of it. The other day sitting out on my porch I noticed a cat poking around over there in the bushes. Soon I could vaguely make out other movement from a distance. So I got out my binoculars. Sure enough, under an old wooden enclosure, which I think once contained some controls for sprinklers, a cat has had 4 (I think) kittens. They are totally out of my reach -- behind the tall fence, and it's a posted area anyway, state property, no trespassing.
The kittens are out and walking around, the mother is still nursing them but they are definitely not newborns. I recognize the mother, I have seen her occasionally coming up on my patio in the middle of the night and drinking water (she sets off my motion-detector!) There's obviously a hole somewhere in the fence, but its a pretty well- maintained fence from my side of it at least.
So what to do? I can't get even close to them myself, though I could obviously feed the mom when she comes over and even put some food thru the fence. If I report them to the highway dept, I'm afraid they'll just come in and kill them or take them to the shelter to be killed, I guess. This green belt area along the freeway proceeds for a few miles in one direction so they have room to roam in that direction.
Anybody got any suggestions? Thanks
RowwwHissssPurr - 11 Mar 2008 04:43 GMT catinthehat <nhollywoodcat@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f2ece4d3-4cb0-4e24- 8ea1-8a229f50fcc0@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> the fence. If I report them to the highway dept, I'm afraid they'll > just come in and kill them or take them to the shelter to be killed, I > guess. This green belt area along the freeway proceeds for a few Akkkkkkkkk! Freeways and kittens don't go together well.
Call Animal Control. They will indeed take them to the shelter, hopefully to be adopted. If the mother is feral it is unlikely she is adoptable. If the kittens are given human companionship before four weeks they will be highly adoptable and find a home, which definitely beats being run over while trying to cross the freeway. If the kittens are already running around, your window of time to get them to an adoption center is closing rapidly so you need to make a decision now.
Cat Protector - 13 Mar 2008 04:17 GMT One point to make here. If the mother is feral or there are other cats around ask if they have a trap, neuter return program. Most of the time shelters will euthanize feral cats but TNR can save them if the city is agreeable and subscribes to that type of program.
> catinthehat <nhollywoodcat@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f2ece4d3-4cb0-4e24- > 8ea1-8a229f50fcc0@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > around, your window of time to get them to an adoption center is closing > rapidly so you need to make a decision now. Phil P. - 11 Mar 2008 09:05 GMT > Probably a hopeless case, but I thought I'd run it past you guys. I > live next to a freeway. There's about a half-acre of landscaped area [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Anybody got any suggestions? > Thanks Shelters are already filling up with kittens- and its only March. Many shelters are killing kittens by the litter. Whatever you do, *don't call animal control*.
If you don't have experience trapping cats, do a online search for animal rescue groups in your area. If you let me know your area, I'll try to help you find a group that can help you.
Phil
Stan Brown - 11 Mar 2008 11:29 GMT Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:05:27 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>:
> Shelters are already filling up with kittens- and its only March. Many > shelters are killing kittens by the litter. Whatever you do, *don't call > animal control*. That statement is overbroad. Some shelters kill, some don't.
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Matthew - 11 Mar 2008 12:55 GMT > Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:05:27 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>: >> Shelters are already filling up with kittens- and its only March. Many >> shelters are killing kittens by the litter. Whatever you do, *don't call >> animal control*. > > That statement is overbroad. Some shelters kill, some don't. 90% are kill shelters and Phil is absolutely right. he should know he runs a rescue center in NJ
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA > http://OakRoadSystems.com > Shikata ga nai... mc - 11 Mar 2008 15:17 GMT Phil is absolutely correct. Live trap the cats and then decide where they should go. Animal Control will most likely destroy them.
Why take that chance?
Phil P. - 11 Mar 2008 21:08 GMT > Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:05:27 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>: > > Shelters are already filling up with kittens- and its only March. Many > > shelters are killing kittens by the litter. Whatever you do, *don't call > > animal control*. > > That statement is overbroad. Some shelters kill, some don't. The OP mentioned calling the highway dept. Who do you think they would call?
Stan Brown - 16 Mar 2008 07:01 GMT Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:08:31 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>:
> > Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:05:27 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>: > > > Shelters are already filling up with kittens- and its only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The OP mentioned calling the highway dept. Who do you think they > would call? Probably the SPCA, which in Tompkins County runs a no-kill shelter and has for years.
As I said, your statement was overbroad.
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Phil P. - 16 Mar 2008 09:57 GMT > Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:08:31 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>: > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > As I said, your statement was overbroad. I don't think so. Do you know the difference between "many shelters" and "all shelters"? If you don't, I'd be happy to explain it to you..
Stan Brown - 16 Mar 2008 15:10 GMT Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:57:11 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>:
> > Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:08:31 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>: > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I don't think so. Do you know the difference between "many shelters" and > "all shelters"? If you don't, I'd be happy to explain it to you.. I do know the difference, and there's no call to get snarky. You said "whatever you do, don't call animal control". That is overbroad, because, there are some places where calling animal control is the right thing to do.
 Signature Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai...
Phil P. - 16 Mar 2008 17:12 GMT > Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:57:11 GMT from Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com>: > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I do know the difference, and there's no call to get snarky. Snarky? Naa. I was just offering to explain the difference since it seemed like you didn't know.
You
> said "whatever you do, don't call animal control". That is overbroad, In your first reply to me you said "That statement is overbroad. Some shelters kill, some don't." Now after you realized I didn't say all shelters kill, you're saying my statement "whatever you do, don't call animal control" is overbroad. Which is it? If you read the rest of my original post, you probably wouldn't have said that either.
> because, there are some places where calling animal control is the > right thing to do. Yes, there are some places perhaps- but not many, at least not enough places to risk the lives of 4 kittens and their mother- especially in the beginning of what looks like another 3-litter season.. Since I don't know where she lives, I gave her the safest possible advice and advised her to contact a local rescue group- I also offered to help her find one in her area.
Rene S. - 11 Mar 2008 19:11 GMT > The kittens are out and walking around, the mother is still nursing > them but they are definitely not newborns. I recognize the mother, I > have seen her occasionally coming up on my patio in the middle of the > night and drinking water (she sets off my motion-detector!) There's > obviously a hole somewhere in the fence, but its a pretty well- > maintained fence from my side of it at least. This is actually a good thing. Since there is a way out, and mom is showing up on your patio, your best option is to start feeding her, twice a day, on a schedule. If she knows there's a regular food source, she will eventually bring the kittens with her, and the fence will become a non issue. Make sure to keep the feeding times about 12 hours apart, twice a day, with the evening feeding being close to dusk. Once they are all there and eating regularly, get some raccoon- sized live traps, tie the doors open, and start feeding them in the traps. Gradually move the food from the front to the back of the traps over several days. Once they are eating in the traps, untie the doors, set them, and you should be able to trap them all. I would not try to do this with one trap. If you can get one for each animal and get this done in one night, that would be better. Also, at the meal before you trap them, give them just a tiny bit of food so they are very hungry and will be more likely to get into the traps quickly when you do set them. I have a friend who did this with a mother and four wild kittens and she was able to get them all at pretty much the same time doing it this way. You should let your vet know in advance about this and bring the cats straight to the vet while still in the traps to get checked out. (Make sure to cover the traps with a sheet or towel after you catch them, so they don't freak out or hurt themselves.)
Since the kittens are young, they should be fairly easy to socialize and find homes for. Mom may be another story. At best, she'll be a sweetheart and easy to find a home for. At the very least you could spay her, release her, and continue to feed her. I know this sounds like a lot of work, especially taking in four feral kittens, but the fact is that most rescues, especially at this time of year, are already full and unable to take on this amount of responsibility. You would be doing a great thing and I think you would find it very rewarding, even though it might take some time and financial obligations. Thanks for worrying about this little family. If you decide to do this and need some experienced help, let me know and I can hook you up with some people who work in the field and have done this many times. Good luck.
Phil P. - 11 Mar 2008 21:09 GMT >Once they are eating in the traps, untie the >doors, set them, and you should be able to trap them all. I would not >try to do this with one trap. If you can get one for each animal and >get this done in one night, that would be better. If you're using a live trap to trap kittens, use only a gravity trap like Tru-Catch, not a spring-loaded trap like Tomahawk Kittens tend to follow each other into traps- which means the lead kitten could trigger the trap causing the trap door to slam down on the second or third kitten entering the trap. Spring-loaded traps generate enough force to break a kitten's back or neck.
The best way to use a live trap for trapping kittens is not to engage the trip plate- prop the door open with a stick attached to a long string and pull the string after the kittens are safely inside.
The best trap- especially for kittens- is a drop trap. They're very easy to make. http://maxshouse.com/Equipment/droptrap_camo.jpg
Phil
Sue - 16 Mar 2008 15:12 GMT > Probably a hopeless case, but I thought I'd run it past you guys. I > live next to a freeway. There's about a half-acre of landscaped area [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Anybody got any suggestions? > Thanks Is there an animal control dept. in your city/town? Or call a local animal shelter for there help.
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