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kidney disease crf and overweight cat question

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eden - 10 Feb 2008 18:10 GMT
Hi. My recently diagnosed cat is overweight by a long way (steriods
for skin probs blew him up!)  and is a total glutton except when it
comes to renal food  - which he detests. Should I be trying really
hard to get him to lose weight i.e. if he doesnt want the renal food
not to give in and give 'proper' food - or should I just be thankful
he's got a good appetite and not worry? Not sure which is the lesser
of 2 evils at the moment.
Gail - 10 Feb 2008 19:05 GMT
If he will not eat the renal food, ask the vet which of the regular foods
would be best for a cat with renal failure. I know dry food is not good
either for obesity or renal failure.
Gail
> Hi. My recently diagnosed cat is overweight by a long way (steriods
> for skin probs blew him up!)  and is a total glutton except when it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> he's got a good appetite and not worry? Not sure which is the lesser
> of 2 evils at the moment.
cindys - 10 Feb 2008 20:07 GMT
> Hi. My recently diagnosed cat is overweight by a long way (steriods
> for skin probs blew him up!)  and is a total glutton except when it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> he's got a good appetite and not worry? Not sure which is the lesser
> of 2 evils at the moment.
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The number one thing is that your cat needs to eat, so if you are offering
him renal food, and he is not eating, you need to ensure that he is eating
something, or he could develop liver disease rather quickly. This should be
an interim measure only while you look for a low-calorie, low phosphorus
canned food that he will eat. NaturalLife is the brand I use, but there are
others. Wysong also has a number of flavors. Also Science Diet Senior (Beef
or Chicken) Go to this page for nutritional information for canned cat food
for kitties with CRF:

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm

Here's an updated version:

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canned.htm

Best regards,
---Cindy S.
eden - 10 Feb 2008 21:57 GMT
Have tried the Hills Science Diet Senior - was totaly rejected again.
Unfortunately dont have NaturalLife in the UK (unless osmeone can tell
me different?). I'm struggling to find food in the UK  that is
suitable....
cindys - 11 Feb 2008 00:52 GMT
> Have tried the Hills Science Diet Senior - was totaly rejected again.
> Unfortunately dont have NaturalLife in the UK (unless osmeone can tell
> me different?). I'm struggling to find food in the UK  that is
> suitable....
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Just a thought....maybe try the Hills Science Diet Senior again? The reason
I say this is that cats are wired such that same = good, new = bad. Part of
their survival is based on a natural instinct to reject poison. (I learned
this from someone else on this newsgroup but can't remember who). So, the
first time you offer a new food, the cat may smell it and walk away or try a
little taste and then walk away. They want to ensure that the food isn't
going to poison them. But by the time you offer it three or four times, the
response becomes more enthusiastic (or least less rejecting). I have found
this to be the case with my own cats. I have tried re-offering new foods
that have previously been rejected, and sometimes they are accepted. This
was the case with the Natural Life, the Hills Science Diet Senior, and the
Wysong liver flavor. They still prefer Fancy Feast, of course, but my cats
are more willing to eat the other foods in the morning when they are
hungrier and more inclined to reject them in the evening. I still find
myself doling out the Fancy Feast periodically (higher in phosphorus), but
they are willing to eat the Natural Life and Hills Science Diet Senior too.
I don't know if this will work with your cat, but it's worth a try. Another
good quality food is Wellness, which (depending on the flavor) is still
lower phosphorus than Fancy Feast but higher phosphorus than the other
brands mentioned above. If I give Alex Fancy Feast or Wellness, I try to
make sure he gets his aluminum hydroxide capsules (phosphorus-binder) right
before or after he eats.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Phil P. - 11 Feb 2008 06:04 GMT
> Hi. My recently diagnosed cat is overweight by a long way (steriods
> for skin probs blew him up!)  and is a total glutton except when it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> he's got a good appetite and not worry? Not sure which is the lesser
> of 2 evils at the moment.

The most important thing for the cat is that he *eats*. It doesn't matter
how perfectly formulated a renal diet is if the cat won't eat it and dies of
hepatic lipidosis.

Restricted protein diets for CRF cats is being questioned by an increasing
number of vets. Protein shouldn't be restricted until the BUN reaches 60-80
mg/dl.

What you really want is a non-acidified normal protein diet that's low in
phosphorus and high in potassium and omega-3 fatty acids.  I've seen
dramatic turnarounds in CRF cats after switching to canned Hill's
Prescription x/d with Chicken and supplementing with potassium and omega-3s.

Phil
 
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