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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2008Requesting Help w/Feeding
In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn and 4 at dusk). At their dusk feeding I've also given them dry food that stayed down for them until the next day's dusk feeding. However, Ozzy seems to have taken too much of a liking to the dry food. Besides worrying about weight gain (and Sammy could stand to lose a pound or two), I have boy cats for the first time ever and I'm worried about too much dry causing crystals in the urine and blockage of the urethra. Because of all that I'm trying to wean them off of the dry food altogether. My question is how much canned food should I be feeding them when I stop giving them the dry food? Jessie and Demi are both 7.5 pounds. Archer is 11 pound, Ozzy is 12 pounds and Sammy is 20 pounds. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm also contacting my vet to get his opinion, but in the meantime I know we have some experts on this group.  SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters here: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn and > 4 at dusk). At their dusk feeding I've also given them dry food that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > to get his opinion, but in the meantime I know we have some experts on > this group. OK, just talked to the vet tech and she is *WAY* off base with her advice. She tried to tell me that the canned food is causing the weight gain and I should wean them off canned and give them dry only (Purina) because it's better for their teeth (!!!!) and the "Indoor Only" formula will prevent struvite crystals in the boys!!!! So..... any advice that I can actually implement? Hugs, CatNipped > > In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn and > > 4 at dusk). At their dusk feeding I've also given them dry food that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > So..... any advice that I can actually implement? Sounds like your vet received her education in nutrition from a Hill's sales rep. This is the feeding plan I would follow: 16 kcals/lb/day "Jessie and Demi are both 7.5 pounds" -- 120 kcals/day "Archer is 11 pound" -- 176 kcals/day "Ozzy is 12 pounds" - - 130 kcals/day "Sammy is 20 pounds" - - 320 kcals/day. (You might want to think about a weight loss program for him). Fancy Feast diets average about 75 - 85 kcals a 3 oz can depending on the line (Grilled, Flaked, Gourmet, etc). You can get the caloric content of the diets you're feeding by calling Fancy Feast directly. While you have them on the line, ask them to send you the typical analyses for the diets. Phil >> > In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn > and [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Phil I got them to send me a nutritional chart a few years ago (http://www.possibleplaces.com/fancy_feast_values/), but it's a good idea to ask again. I'm assuming the ratios you gave above are for maintaining current weight, how much less should I give Sammy for a gradual weight loss? Also, any suggestions on how I can get her to eat separately from the rest and quit browsing from all bowls like they currently do? I have a "problem child" in Demi who is extremely shy and won't eat at all until everyone else if finished, so I need to figure out how to get only one cat out of five to lose weight - SIGH! Hugs, CatNipped > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > I'm assuming the ratios you gave above are for maintaining current weight, > how much less should I give Sammy for a gradual weight loss? Start by reducing his daily caloric intake by about 20%. He shouldn't lose more than 1 pound in 4-6 weeks. Do you have a good pediatric scale? If not, you might want to get a Tanita 1583- its the best investment you can make in your cats' health. Here's what it looks like: http://maxshouse.com/album/Titi-on-scale.jpg Its very hard to notice slight weight losses (or gains) in cats you see everyday- especially if they're long-haired cats. So a good scale is essential. Just toss a treak on the scale and the cat should jump right on. You can make the base bigger if you need to; the scale has a zero/tare function and lock in weight. The basket is a pain-- I took it off. You can find it online a lot cheaper- I just did a quick search. http://www.thecompetitiveedge.com/shop/item/123-productId.184549528_123-catId.17 6160811.html Also, any > suggestions on how I can get her to eat separately from the rest and quit > browsing from all bowls like they currently do? I have a "problem child" in > Demi who is extremely shy and won't eat at all until everyone else if > finished, so I need to figure out how to get only one cat out of five to > lose weight - SIGH! The simplest way is to feed them separately- or put their bowls in different locations. Or you can try to find different foods that only each cat likes. Believe me- that's a hell of a lot easier said than done! My house looks like a smorgasbord a feeding time! Phil >> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message >> I'm assuming the ratios you gave above are for maintaining current [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Start by reducing his daily caloric intake by about 20%. He shouldn't lose > more than 1 pound in 4-6 weeks. Wow, that seems like a huge reduction in calories, but I'll watch her weight and give it a try. I've cut the dry food down to half a cup for all 5 in the evenings and I've upped their canned food to 5 cans morning and 5 cans evening. I'm hoping to cut out the dry altogether shortly, but I'm really, really afraid of cutting back their food too much (although they certainly don't act like they're starving yet, I worry about the boys getting enough nutrition since they're only 8 months old). I'm hoping that just this will start Sammy losing weight without any of the others losing weight (cutting all the carbs might do it all by itself - we'll see). > Do you have a good pediatric scale? If > not, you might want to get a Tanita 1583- its the best investment you can > make in your cats' health. Here's what it looks like: > http://maxshouse.com/album/Titi-on-scale.jpg Its very hard to notice > slight weight losses (or gains) in cats you see everyday- especially if > they're long-haired cats. So a good scale is essential. I just bought one from Amazon last week and I'm waiting for it to arrive in the mail - I don't remember which brand I biought (I'm at work and don't have the receipt), but it has all the features I was looking for. > Just toss a treak on the scale and the cat should jump right on. You can > make the base bigger if you need to; the scale has a zero/tare function [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Believe me- that's a hell of a lot easier said than done! My house looks > like a smorgasbord a feeding time! Darn, I *just* moved Sammy's dish upstairs (she used to eat with my Bandit(RB) downstairs because towards the end Bandit couldn't make it up the stairs and Sammy just got used to eating down there). She just got used to eating upstairs with the rest of the clowder - I was looking to uncomplicate my life, but now I may have to rethink that. Thanks for all the help Phil - you're a treasured resource for me! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > Phil > >> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > >> I'm assuming the ratios you gave above are for maintaining current [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Wow, that seems like a huge reduction in calories, but I'll watch her weight > and give it a try. 20% is only a starting point- it could be more of a reduction or it could be less- although I doubt it will be less. The difference in caloric intake for weight loss or maintenance in cats can vary as much as *50%* from cat to cat- so there's really no set amount. The scale will help you monitor slight weight changes in either direction so you'll know if you're on the right tract. I don't know if she's just a big cat or if she's obese. If she just needs to lose a couple or 3#, a 20% reduction in caloric intake should work. But if she's obese she *must* lose the extra weight in 15% *steps*. IOW, if her current weight is 20#, set her first target weight at 17# and base her daily caloric intake on the energy requirements for a 17# cat. When she reaches the target weight of 17#, set the next target at 14 1/2# and base her intake on the energy requirements for a 14 1/2# cat. If she's obese and you try to reach her ideal body weight with just a 20% cut, she'll plateau and won't lose any more. I've cut the dry food down to half a cup for all 5 in > the evenings and I've upped their canned food to 5 cans morning and 5 cans > evening. You're going to have to figure out how to feed her so she can't get at the other cats' food. If she's too heavy to jump, feed the other cats on the counter or table. Gotta run, Phil >> >> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message >> >> I'm assuming the ratios you gave above are for maintaining current [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > weight changes in either direction so you'll know if you're on the right > tract. Yeah, the scale arrived last night (a very nice one that measures to the half ounce and you can set "memory" and "tare" - it got 4.5 stars out of 5 on Amazon). For the first few weeks I figured I'd weigh them every 2 or 3 days and then when their weight stabilizes just continue to weigh them once a week. I know I'm probably being paranoid, but I would be horrified if I thought I was starving my babies! > I don't know if she's just a big cat or if she's obese. She's a VERY large cat (it takes both hands to encircle her neck and the top of her head fills the palm of my hand) - here's some pictures of her with Jessie who is almost 8 pounds (as of last night - she too has put on a bit of weight lately): http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Jessie17/ (and Sammy's grown quite a bit since then). The vet told me she needs to lose about 1 or 2 pounds - I can still feel her ribs, but, admittedly, I have to "dig" a bit to do so! ;> > If she just needs > to lose a couple or 3#, a 20% reduction in caloric intake should work. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If she's obese and you try to reach her ideal body weight with just a 20% > cut, she'll plateau and won't lose any more. OK, that makes sense. She's only going on four years old and not obese, so I don't think she's in danger of diabetes or hepatic lipadosis yet, so I'm going to take this weight loss slowly. I think that would be best for the long run (just like they tell people to lose weight slowly so it will stay off rather than go on a fad diet and then gain it all back). > I've cut the dry food down to half a cup for all 5 in >> the evenings and I've upped their canned food to 5 cans morning and 5 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > other cats' food. If she's too heavy to jump, feed the other cats on the > counter or table. No, she can still jump up on my kitchen counters (and she can stand on her hind feet and look over them - she's that big), and she runs around the house chasing and being chased by the kittens (they were the best exercise program I could have put her on! ;>). And she doesn't gobble down everybody's food, she only eats a bit and leaves quite a bit in her bowl for later. The boys actually eat more than she does - but they're growing boys. As I said, I'm hoping that just cutting down the carbs in her diet will help her lose that pound or two that she needs to. And, of course, what really started this new diet was to avoid the boys having problems with struvite stones since this is the first time I've had male cats (weird, I don't know why I've always been adopted by female cats my whole life!) - her losing the weight will be an extra bonus. Thanks for your help Phil, I know you're busy with your colonies and helping others here and in other groups, so I really appreciate the time you've taken to help me out. Hugs, CatNipped > Gotta run, > > Phil > Yeah, the scale arrived last night (a very nice one that measures to the > half ounce and you can set "memory" and "tare" - it got 4.5 stars out of 5 > on Amazon). Which brand and model? For the first few weeks I figured I'd weigh them every 2 or 3 > days and then when their weight stabilizes just continue to weigh them once > a week. I know I'm probably being paranoid, but I would be horrified if I > thought I was starving my babies! Just remember to weigh them at the same time of the day whenever you weigh them. IOW, if you weigh them at 8:00 pm, weight them at 8:00 pm when you weigh them on other days. Weight can vary throughout the day. > > I don't know if she's just a big cat or if she's obese. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about 1 or 2 pounds - I can still feel her ribs, but, admittedly, I have to > "dig" a bit to do so! ;> She doesn't look obese. Determine her ideal weigh and feed the appropriate kcals for that weight. She should come down to her ideal weight and plateau there. > > If she just needs > > to lose a couple or 3#, a 20% reduction in caloric intake should work. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > others here and in other groups, so I really appreciate the time you've > taken to help me out. I got a little ahead of our vets for neuter slots- I can't get any cats in for a few days and our holding spaces are maxed out. So, I gotta take break for a few days until they catch up. I can sure use it! This kitten season is going to be the worst I've ever seen- I'm already finding 3-8 wk old kittens and pregnant females in their third trimester- and this is only early Feb.. Phil >> Yeah, the scale arrived last night (a very nice one that measures to the >> half ounce and you can set "memory" and "tare" - it got 4.5 stars out of >> 5 >> on Amazon). > > Which brand and model? The Redmon 7462 Digital Baby Scale - this one: http://www.amazon.com/Redmon-Weigh-Grow-Scale-7462/dp/B000S5WFL4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2 ?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1203101480&sr=8-2 (or http://tinyurl.com/2voxmc). I like it because it has a very large weighing surface (23" x 14") and because of the design is completely stable (it's only 2" high so the cats don't feel nervous sitting on it - in fact I keep it on a table so I can weigh them on the same surface and they'll jump up there and sit on it on their own). > For the first few weeks I figured I'd weigh them every 2 or 3 >> days and then when their weight stabilizes just continue to weigh them [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them. IOW, if you weigh them at 8:00 pm, weight them at 8:00 pm when you > weigh them on other days. Weight can vary throughout the day. Yep, just like people (especially us women who tend to gain water weight during the day)! >> > I don't know if she's just a big cat or if she's obese. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > plateau > there. Yep, that's what I'm doing based on your previous advice. I'll let you know in a couple of weeks how it's going. >> > If she just needs >> > to lose a couple or 3#, a 20% reduction in caloric intake should work. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > kittens and pregnant females in their third trimester- and this is only > early Feb.. I can only imagine how you feel - I've TNR'd a few of the strays in my neighborhood (we have a really good S.N.A.P. clinic here who will work with semi-ferals), but that's nothing compared to the amount you handle. All I can say is bless you for taking on that kind of responsibility. Hugs, CatNipped > Phil >> In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn and >> 4 at dusk). At their dusk feeding I've also given them dry food that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> to get his opinion, but in the meantime I know we have some experts on >> this group. >OK, just talked to the vet tech and she is *WAY* off base with her advice. >She tried to tell me that the canned food is causing the weight gain and I >should wean them off canned and give them dry only (Purina) because it's >better for their teeth (!!!!) and the "Indoor Only" formula will prevent >struvite crystals in the boys!!!! I have 4 indoor only cats (3 female and 1 bully male) and I keep 2 kinds of dry available at all times plus they get 2 cans Fancy Feast in AM and PM and have had no problems with excessive weight or crystals in the urine and blockage and they go yearly for checkups. Also I give them a small can of people tuna once a month as a treat and they get a bit of milk in the evening because the 17 year old likes it but does not drink a lot of it. The rest do not care for it. Before someone tells me it is bad for them read on as to what the vet says below. 3 of them including the male are about 5 years and 1 is about 17 years. The three youngest all weight about 10 to 15 pounds and the 17 year female tortie who has always been small weighs 6.5 pounds. She weighed 6 at 4 years. She had all the tests recommended for a cat her age and everything came back within normal range. The vet says they are all healthly and well cats so I will continue feeding as I am. I feed Friskies feline favorites dry always and give then one other dry which varies for something different. The FF canned I give them a can of flaked and one of grilled AM and PM. One question: If you do not think the vet knows what they are talking about why go to them?? >>> In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn >>> and [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > 3 of them including the male are about 5 years and 1 is about 17 > years. The three youngest all weight about 10 to 15 pounds and the 17 From what I've heard, for males, the crystals can develop suddenly and 5yo is still rather young. Since a cat's natural prey is ~70% water I think it's best to give them food that is also 70% water (as opposed to 10% water as is even the best dry food). > year female tortie who has always been small weighs 6.5 pounds. She > weighed 6 at 4 years. She had all the tests recommended for a cat her > age and everything came back within normal range. The vet says they > are all healthly and well cats so I will continue feeding as I am. Some cats are just naturally prone to overweight even eating the same diet. Sammy is a rescue as is all my cats, but I would bet that she's 99.99999% Maine Coon since she has all of their other characteristics. Maine Coons, because they were bred for a severely cold climate, tend to carry more body weight than other cats. Of course, since we live in Houston and since she never goes outside anyway, this is not needed and she really should lose a bit of weight. > I feed Friskies feline favorites dry always and give then one other > dry which varies for something different. The FF canned I give them a > can of flaked and one of grilled AM and PM. > > One question: If you do not think the vet knows what they are talking > about why go to them?? In every other matter he has been very knowledgeable, and I didn't talk to him I talked to the vet tech (granted, she's probably giving the advice the female vet would (Dr. French is an "associate" out of her office)). Dr. French is the vet who came to our house last year to administer the euthanasia to our 17-year-old who was dying of a brain tumor and had gone downhill fast. He's very kind and, as I mentioned, has always been great in other areas, so I trust him for everything else. Hugs, CatNipped I have a 6 year old male and he weighs 11 pounds - give or take a few ounces. He gets two cans of fancy feast a day - period! I was sprinkling a little dry food on top until he got a bladder infection last summer - with blood - and the vet told me to take him off of ALL dry food. He maintains his weight very well with the two cans a day and isn't overweight for his frame. I have said before, that my last cat was 20 years and 3 months when we put him to sleep because of loss of his rear legs and sever hyperthyroidism for a number of years. But he ate nothing but fancy feast and 20 years is a good life for a cat. He never had any bladder problems either. Having more than one kitty is always a problem when it comes to weight loss for one of them. I think the only way is to feed the hefty once alone and take up the food that the others leave before letting him out again. Sharon > >>> In the past I've fed my 5 cats 8 cans of Fancy Feast a day (4 at dawn > >>> and [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >>Sammy is a rescue as is all my cats, >> but I would bet that she's 99.99999% [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> needed and she really should lose a bit >> of weight. Tiger appears to be a Maine Coon. He weighs 23 pounds and looks fat. A year and a half ago he had a lion cut to remove a lot of mats. I then saw that he wasn't fat at all. Maybe Sammy isn't really fat. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') >>>Sammy is a rescue as is all my cats, >>> but I would bet that she's 99.99999% [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >year and a half ago he had a lion cut to remove a lot of mats. I then >saw that he wasn't fat at all. Maybe Sammy isn't really fat. If Sammy is anything at all like Bubba, then anything edible within reach is gonna get eaten, sooner rather than later. The only way I've been able to keep him in the 25Lb range is to restrict the available food. He looks fat, too, but most of it except for a belly flap is either hair or pretty solid and I can feel his backbone and ribs without digging in. Good luck keeping Sammy out of the other cat's food. Bubba is an only cat, so I can dole out an appropriate amount of cat food for him, but whenever I eat anything he's sitting on my feet playing out a sad drama of feline starvation. He's the only cat I've ever seen eat a mushroom. They're probably not the best for him so I only gave him a small piece once to see if he would eat it or spit it out. I don't think anything stays in his mouth long enough for him to taste it. Among other things, he actually seems to *like* watermelon... Well, I did not want to admit that Buddy is also a Maine Coon - and he weighs ONLY 11 pounds - the vet says that is enough for his frame. Maine Coons will eat ANY thing!!! And they gain weight more easily than other cats - my opinion. But, he is an only cat and only gets 2 cans of Fancy Feast a day and water. So........... We have NEVER given him people food and he is NOT interested in it at all. Sharon > In article <14486-47ACE02F...@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >Well, I did not want to admit that Buddy is also a Maine Coon - and he >weighs ONLY 11 pounds - the vet says that is enough for his frame. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >given him people food and he is NOT interested in it at all. >Sharon How old is he? Bubba's at least 5 and he's still getting bigger even on short rations. >> In article <14486-47ACE02F...@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>, >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - He will be 6 April 1. Sharon > In article <984f2e96-17d6-4d7f-a1ea-2e40d99dc...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >He will be 6 April 1. >Sharon He must be a runt... :^) Seriously, good luck keeping his weight under control. I just fed Bubba his morning allocation of Royal Canin MC kibble, he gobbled it all and is playing the "poor starving kitty" act again already. 10 minutes later. What a clown. >> In article <984f2e96-17d6-4d7f-a1ea-2e40d99dc...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - >>>>Sammy is a rescue as is all my cats, >>>> but I would bet that she's 99.99999% [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > him to taste it. Among other things, he actually seems > to *like* watermelon... I just don't see how I can feed her separately. The problem is that my cats still tend to "browse" all day rather than eating as soon as I put the food down (although 4 of them do eat the majority of the food within the first few minutes). I have one really shy cat, Demi, who is very thin and I'm afraid if I pick the food up she'll miss out on her chance to eat (she only comes out of hiding when the other cats have finished). Anyway, Sammy doesn't eat all the food as soon as it's down, she doesn't seem to be "piggy" in her consumption either. I'm thinking she just has the body characteristics of a Maine Coon who tend to hold on to a bit of body fat to combat the killer winters in the north east and I'm hoping that the removal of any dry at all from her diet will help her lose the little bit she needs to lose.. Hugs, CatNipped Response to "CatNipped" <CatNipped@PossiblePlaces.com>: <snip> > I just don't see how I can feed her separately. The problem is > that my cats still tend to "browse" all day rather than eating as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the food up she'll miss out on her chance to eat (she only comes > out of hiding when the other cats have finished). Perhaps she could get her very own servings delivered to her hiding spot? I seem to remember seeing a large open cage-kennel on your site -- could she perhaps get a blanket or beach towel draped over something like that and be allowed to hang out with her own personal bowl of yummies for an hour or so? Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > Response to "CatNipped" <CatNipped@PossiblePlaces.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > like that and be allowed to hang out with her own personal bowl of > yummies for an hour or so? I was thinking about bringing her food into her bedroom and shutting the door for a while - that would work in the evenings, but I don't have time to do that in the morning before work. Anyway, even just doing it in the evening will insure she eats something at least. Hugs, CatNipped Response to "CatNipped" <CatNipped@PossiblePlaces.com>: <snip> > I was thinking about bringing her food into her bedroom and > shutting the door for a while - that would work in the evenings, > but I don't have time to do that in the morning before work. > Anyway, even just doing it in the evening will insure she eats > something at least. I'm not intimately familiar with feline metabolism, but I'd keep an eye out for signs of weight gain (beyond what you see as fit). The first thing I had to learn for focusing on my dietary habits and wellness was that you should eat numerous smaller meals rather than one large meal a day... ...then again, lions eat an entire buffalo in one or two nights and then don't eat again for several days sometimes. *shrugs* Good luck with Lil' Shy Girl. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > The first thing I had to learn for focusing on my dietary habits and > wellness was that you should eat numerous smaller meals rather than > one large meal a day... > > ...then again, lions eat an entire buffalo in one or two nights and > then don't eat again for several days sometimes. In the wild, cats may eat a couple of times a day, once per day, or not at all, depending on what they can find to eat. Feeding twice per day, about 12 hours apart, is similar to how they would eat in the wild. You CAN convert your cats to eating their entire meal in one sitting. Mine used to be dry food grazers but now eat on this schedule, finishing their meal within 10 minutes. In the morning, I separate them while I'm getting ready for work. In the evening, I usually feed them while I'm preparing supper, so I can supervise instead of separating. It works great and everyone gets the proper amount of food (no one can "steal" from the other's bowl). >OK, just talked to the vet tech and she is *WAY* off base with her advice. >She tried to tell me that the canned food is causing the weight gain and I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >So..... any advice that I can actually implement? I ao not see any problems with quality dry food? Ones cats normaily train you as to what type they want and when to change Secret in weight control is plenty of water be made available When serving wet food. Serve on/in a plate not a bowl (plastic disposable party plates are the go, they are washable and reusable) Cats do not like whiskers touching side of bowls. When on a plate pour say ½ cup of water around wet food serving (do not mix) This water will "fool" cat into being full on smaller portions Petzl -- The ONLY email address you will EVER need <http://www.spamcop.net/ces/individuals.shtml> SpamCop Email service for a spamfree inbox > OK, just talked to the vet tech and she is *WAY* off base with her advice. > She tried to tell me that the canned food is causing the weight gain and I > should wean them off canned and give them dry only (Purina) because it's > better for their teeth (!!!!) and the "Indoor Only" formula will prevent > struvite crystals in the boys!!!! IGNORE the vet tech's advice. I had a vet that told me that canned food was "bad" for cats (I had previously fed only dry before this). I switched to Wellness grain-free canned and slowly, the weight came off. See my web site: http://community-2.webtv.net/getcathelp/tucker/ |
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