Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2008
My cat's long battle with a mysterious auto-immune disease
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Moonlit_Sorcery@hotmail.com - 04 Jan 2008 06:29 GMT Back in late February, my cat Mouse began acting funny. Everything began with her voice getting weaker and squeakier, and some lethargy and a decline in her appetite. Everything happened very gradually and we deduced that she had a cold. We tried waiting it out, but when it became apparent that she wasn't getting better, but worse, we took her to the vet in early April. We waited so long because taking her to the vet was always such a traumatizing experience for her that we hated to put her through that. We were beginning to suspect that she had diabetes, because she also had developed a greatly increased thirst. Mouse was also to the point where she couldn't meow or purr anymore, only make a very faint hissing sound. The vet tried to take a blood sample, but she couldn't get it to work, so she had to pull her out of her cage and carry her back there AGAIN to re-do it. They had trouble with that sample too, and called us back a while later after we went home to tell us that Mouse was so anemic that they couldn't get a proper blood sample from her, her blood was too thin. She said she was shocked that Mouse was still alive at that point. We were given steroids that would gradually increase her blood count, but we were told Mouse may have a kidney or liver problem along with the anemia, and if she did (which they couldn't deduce until her bloodcount was high enough for a test), the steroids would kill her. But WITHOUT the steroids, we were told, she had no chance. We were in a box. So we gave her the steroids and she gradually got better, and the vet said that her blood count was finally high enough to do the test. Luckily, no kidney or liver problems. We went home and she slowly started to get worse again. We took her back to the vet and they said that she was EVEN WORSE than the first time we brought her in. She was flabbergasted, because she said the vast majority of cats would have been DEAD with a HIGHER blood count than Mouse had at that point. Apparently, she was one tough puss. So we had no other choice but to begin a higher, mroe dangerous dose of steroids. Nasty stuff. She developed a terrible infection in one eye, and then the other. She went completely blind. Her pupils were gone. The eye drops we gave her up until the very end did nothing for her. Her eyes leaked constantly, and one of them crusted over completely until she clawed the stuff off in the night, leaving her with no furr around her eye. She began losing the furr on her face. She apparently had a stroke or something and she began holding her neck crooked, and walking crooked. We had to carry her everywhere and tap on her food and water dishes to indicate to her where they were. One morning when I got up she was sopping wet and I realized that she had fallen in her water dish. We began shutting her in my mom's bedroom to sleep with her at night, the floor covered with plastic and newspaper (she went on the floor a lot). She'd sometimes bump into things and fall over. We'd have to hold onto her while she was in the litter box because a couple times she actually fell over on her side and hit the floor very hard. She apparently began losing her mind, because everytime we'd set her in the box, she'd start eating the litter and we;d have to reach down and block her from doing it. We'd often carry her outside and let her lie in the sun, or if it was hot, the shade. You could tell she absolutely LOVED it, although the first few times afetr she went blind she was scared. Sometimes my mom would sit in the recliner and hold Mouse and rock her like a baby. She looked absolutely terrible for a while, like a corpse pulled out of a dumpster, but she was still our adorable little Mousie. You'd crack open her can or open the door to go carry her inside and her head would pop up, and she'd try to look around, doing that silent meow. Oddly enough, she developed a ravenous appetite when she was at her sickest. She ate like our dog. You couldn't feed her enough. But alhough her belly grew, she remained emaciated, her spine and hips poking out. You'd pet her and all you'd feel were bones. There were a couple times when my parents were going to have her put her to sleep and I sobbed and sobbed, but they backed out at the last minute, saying as long as she wasn't apparently in any pain, we'd let her stay and die peacefully in her own home. Me took her off the steroids at the end because they weren't helping, they were only giving her terrible infections. On September 27, my beloved dog unexpectedly had to be euthanized. He was in terrible pain from airthritis and was walking around with his tail tucked under him, quivering, and was even losing his mind. The last time I saw him was when he was lieing trembling in the yard, watching me go with a pained expression on his face. I was utterly devestated. I had been expecting Mouse's death for a long time, but not my dog's. The night of October 19, I was sitting in a recliner, crying over the loss of my dog. I was a wreck. My dad tried to calm me down by holding Mousie in my lap. I hadn't noticed that she really was dieing the last few days. She just laid there, limp, like a ragdoll. She got up for the last time to defecate all over the living room rug. My mom took her to bed that night and said, "You might want to pet her, I don't think she's going to make it through the night." I was skeptical, as she had said that a few times before, but I got down on my knees and stroked her. She seemed totally unaware of the world around her. That morning I got out of bed only to discover that my beloved cat that I'd had since I was 9 years old, had died in her sleep. I saw her stiff corpse. I was in shcok. I had just had my two childhood companions taken away from me within three weeks of each other after a decade together. I didn't know how I could possibly deal with one dieing. Now I had to deal with BOTH of them dieing. I still miss them both every day. I dream about them almost every night. I feel bad about those instances when I got mad at them and said things I shouldn't have. And I feel bad about the times after my dog's death when I'd come home, walk in the door, and sweet little Mousie would stagger out, blind, to try and greet me. All I could do was sulk that JACK wasn't there to greet us the way he always used to. I feel bad about the time that I actually began feeling hostile towards her, as though it were her fault that she wasn't getting better. But those feelings quickly passed and I never treated her badly. I did everything I could to make her last months on this planet as comfortable as possible. She looked terrible, but she was still my baby. I'd do anything to have her and my dog back. I tear up as I sit her typing this. Has anyone ever heard of a cat going through such a horrible mysterious illness, and then actually going blind from the steroids? It's amazing that she was able to fight as long as she did.
Moonlit_Sorcery@hotmail.com - 04 Jan 2008 06:34 GMT On Jan 4, 1:29 am, Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Back in late February, my cat Mouse began acting funny. Everything > began with her voice getting weaker and squeakier, and some lethargy [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > blind from the steroids? It's amazing that she was able to fight as > long as she did. By the way, it was apparently congestive heart failure that finally took her. Her stomache had become very bloated, even after she stopped eating so much again. But through the months there were so many times when we thought she was going to die that day. One day in particular stand out, when I was home alone and my cat was lieing on the kicthen rug, on her side, struggling to breathe. I called my mom and was sobbing, "She's dieing, what do I do?" That was a long time before she actually died, and oddly enough ,that was the only time she showed signs of having breathing difficulties. She spent that day lieing on a blanket in the kicthen, unable to walk. She'd only lift her head to get a drink or eat. We were stunned that she made it through the day, let alone several weeks afterwards.
cybercat - 04 Jan 2008 15:08 GMT >By the way, it was apparently congestive heart failure that finally >took her. Her stomache had become very bloated, even after she [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >her head to get a drink or eat. We were stunned that she made it >through the day, let alone several weeks afterwards. If this is true, I really hope that you linger even longer, suffer even more when you die. I think that would be really good.
Cheers!
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T - 05 Jan 2008 01:25 GMT > <Moonlit_Sorcery@hotmail.com> wrote > >By the way, it was apparently congestive heart failure that finally [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheers! Yeah, I've only had one cat die on me but from the time she started exhibiting outward signs to the time of death was less than a month. When other cats started showing the same signs I knew it was time and had them euthanized.
Moonlit_Sorcery@hotmail.com - 05 Jan 2008 04:32 GMT > In article <477e4061$0$26112$88260...@free.teranews.com>, > cyberpu...@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > Cheers! You guys have got a lot of nerve talking to me like that. FIRST of all, it wasn't up to me, it was up to my parents. You think I take pleasure out of animals suffering?? We all watched her extremely close, and at the first sign of pain, we would not have *HESITATED* to have her euthanized. My parents made the judgement that she while extremely weak, she was not in pain, based on everything the vet told us and watching her everyday. My God, when my dog showed us that he was in pain that medication could no longer fix, we took his a.s right IN, no questions. We weren't going to watch him sit around in agony, and we never would have allowed Mouse to either. I'm still struggling with this EVERY SINGLE DAY, I try to talk about it on here, and all I get are people calling me a troll and accusing me of torturing an animal?? We all loved that cat to death, and my parents did what they thought was right for her, letting her drift off at home, so long as she wasn't in pain. I hope to GOD that she wasn't in pain. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew we made the wrong descision. Don't you dare try and tell me that I didn't love her, and that we weren't AGONIZING over what would be best for her, and over her comfort every single day. For months, there was a chance that she would recover, according to the vet. She would get a lot better, and our hopes would soar, and then she'd get bad again, and then she'd get better again. We tried to help her heal in other ways, not just the medicine, playing the music that she always loved to listen to, letting her lie outside, which she loved, etc. As for waiting so long to get her to a vet in the first place, I always told my parents that they should bring her in, but they stalled because going there *TERRIFIED* her. She would yowl, rip most of her claws off trying to get out of her carrier, it was hard for us to watch her go through that. But like I said, I WANTED to bring her in, my parents waited to see if she would get better. You guys have helped matters a lot with your hateful comments. I feel a lot better about the whole damn thing now. Thanks.
mariib - 05 Jan 2008 06:17 GMT >> In article <477e4061$0$26112$88260...@free.teranews.com>, >> cyberpu...@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >your hateful comments. I feel a lot better about the whole damn thing >now. Thanks. You're not a troll, but you're not a kid either & we all have a duty to do what's right & humane for our pets when their health & quality of life fails & they can no longer be helped. According to some of your older posts (to different groups), you've got to be about 20 now & that's old enough to have taken control & responsibility for your beloved Mouse. You came here last April looking for help about this cat & most everyone suggested getting her to a second vet for another opinion & perhaps different treatment. Then last August you came back again saying "Can't stand to see her like this anymore. We're praying for a miracle" & everyone was sympathetic, but said it sounded like it was time to let her go - have her put to sleep in peace. Yes, it's very difficult but most all pet owners have to face this sooner or later & it's especially hard to judge because cats usually don't show pain, but it's better to be pro-active than to let our pets suffer unnecessarily. Your cat managed to endure another 2 months before dying, but if you re-read what you wrote yesterday morning, she was in obviously terrible shape & that's what people here are responding to. Please learn from this for any future pets, whether your's or your parent's. M.
Sheelagh>"o"< - 06 Jan 2008 19:42 GMT On Jan 5, 4:32 am, Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > In article <477e4061$0$26112$88260...@free.teranews.com>, > > cyberpu...@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - Show quoted text -
> I posted here about my cat several months ago, back when she was > first diagnosed. In short, she has some sort of auto immune disease [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > hope. It's just been so cruel. One minute you think she's getting > better, and then she crashes again. This is the reason why everyone is a little bit ticked off. It is most unlike me not to listen sympathetically, because it is in my nature to believe anything that people tell me, unless proved otherwise.
I extended my sympathies then, & also now, but it would appear that either you, or your parents were not listening @ the time. Your cat did go through hell for a further few months. I would also like to point out that Marrii did try to tell you in a very polite manner, exactly what & why others think you are a troll. You have no idea how many trolls we do get, professing that their cat is near death, then suddenly the owner finds a reason to not to need the advice we give, yet they come back a few months later to tell us the same thing; what would you assume?
I have no doubt that you did love your cat. Unfortunately, you didn't love her enough to give her the greatest gift your can give a much loved cat- The freedom to cross the Rainbow Bridge when she needed to.. by withholding that gift, your cat suffered without doubt. That is where the anger is coming from. The difference between a cat owner & a cat slave, is that you would do anything to stop her suffering. I wish you no ill, but I do hope that you learn from this mistake. Rest assured, we all make mistakes & the only thing that is important here is exactly the same as Marri said- That you learn from it....
Good Luck, Sheelagh >"o"<
Moonlit_Sorcery@hotmail.com - 08 Jan 2008 23:05 GMT On Jan 6, 2:42 pm, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 4:32 am, Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, my parents remain firm that we did the right thing, so I'm trusting them. They are very pro-euthanasia (even with people), and if they had gotten the slightest indication that that cat was in any kind of pain, they would have taken her in, no questions asked. They brought BOTH of our former dogs to be euthanized without hesitation when they needed it. At one point, when I was so mad I wasn't thinking clearly at all, I got upset with my dad for bringing my dog in. He got pretty upset with me. His response? "That dog was in AGONY, and he was too good a friend to let him suffer like that. If you thought I was going to sit back and let him live like that, then you're CRAZY." My mom? "We had to help him, it was our responsibility. He's not suffering any more." They're smart people, and they're good people, and I'm going to have to believe that they made the right descision with Mouse. Obviously you would have had to have been here and lived with her to understand the situation. It just looks terrible on "paper". I'm sorry I ever brought this matter up, it's only further upset me. But thanks to those who at least responded in a civil manner.
cybercat - 09 Jan 2008 00:44 GMT > Well, my parents remain firm that we did the right thing, so I'm > trusting them. They are very pro-euthanasia (even with people), and >if they had gotten the slightest indication that that cat was in any >kind of pain, they would have taken her in, no questions asked. None of you should ever be allowed to have any kind of animal.
Cats do not show pain until they are at death's door, you cruel idiot.
AZ Nomad - 09 Jan 2008 01:14 GMT >> Well, my parents remain firm that we did the right thing, so I'm >> trusting them. They are very pro-euthanasia (even with people), and >>if they had gotten the slightest indication that that cat was in any >>kind of pain, they would have taken her in, no questions asked.
>None of you should ever be allowed to have any kind of animal.
>Cats do not show pain until they are at death's door, you cruel >idiot. Then, you idiot, if the cat was in pain from a terminal disease, it would be at death's door. Why prolong it? Do you get some sadistic kick out of seeing animals in needless pain?
cybercat - 09 Jan 2008 01:23 GMT >>> Well, my parents remain firm that we did the right thing, so I'm >>> trusting them. They are very pro-euthanasia (even with people), and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would be at death's door. Why prolong it? Do you get some sadistic > kick out of seeing animals in needless pain? Um, AN, you're preaching to the choir. I am saying that this twit and her parents essentially tortured her cat by allowing it to suffer for months. They never had it put down, they just watched it suffer and die.
AZ Nomad - 09 Jan 2008 01:42 GMT >>>> Well, my parents remain firm that we did the right thing, so I'm >>>> trusting them. They are very pro-euthanasia (even with people), and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> would be at death's door. Why prolong it? Do you get some sadistic >> kick out of seeing animals in needless pain?
>Um, AN, you're preaching to the choir. I am saying that this twit and her >parents essentially tortured her cat by allowing it to suffer for months. >They never had it put down, they just watched it suffer and die. SORRY! I totally misread it. I thought you were chiding her for leaving the kitty with parents who are pro-euthenasia.
cybercat - 09 Jan 2008 01:45 GMT > SORRY! I totally misread it. I thought you were chiding her for leaving > the kitty with parents who are pro-euthenasia. This kid doesn't know her a.s from third base if she could not see that the cat was suffering. It just makes my heart ache. At least nobody can hurt the cat now.
Sheelagh>"o"< - 09 Jan 2008 17:29 GMT On Jan 8, 11:05 pm, Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2:42 pm, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 157 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I wasn't trying to be rude to you. In actual fact, I was hoping that you would see that we all make mistakes, ( & yes, that does include me too!)
I gave what I thought was Good advice for future reference. I am genuinely sorry for your loss. I don't think there is a single member on this site who wouldn't admit that we perhaps let a cat go longer than we should have done. It is human nature to want to spend longer with our beloved cat's. However, it is not necessarily the best thing for the cat involved, & there is the difference of being a cat-slave, or a cat carer. You learn to do things differently, even if it means that terrible lost feeling.
I certainly wasn't calling Judgment on you- I was explaining why you got the response that you did get. Sheelagh >"o"<
Dakota - 09 Jan 2008 20:10 GMT On Jan 4, 1:34 am, Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 4, 1:29 am, Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > ... my cat Mouse <big snip> Sounds like you really loved her. My cat came down with a really nasty strain of corona called "FIPS," although he had received his annual shot a few months earlier. That sounds similar to things I've read about some variants, although I've read those symptoms are common in everything from leukemia to heartworms.
When my first dog died, I let her live too long, because I just didn't feel like it was moral to let her go when she seemed so happy and loving, even with her obvious age and condition. The vet seemed angry that I hadn't brought her in sooner. When my first cat died, as soon as I realized her body systems were failing and she was dying (she also was very old), I took her to the vet the next morning and the vet put her down. But the vet seemed angry and blamed me--if I'd done this, if I'd done that.
I've found that, no matter what I do, some people will say I should have done something else and seem mean-spirited. People can hold some pretty rigid opinions. So now I first learn as much as I can, and then I just listen to my own conscience and do what I think is right.
I have a lot of compassion for you and Mouse and your parents. The humans are trying to do the right thing for a being they love, and cats have such tender spirits that we just want to hold them and heal them and keep them as friends.
It's tough to lose friends who always remind us that we are special and also that the world is really a very lovely place.
cybercat - 04 Jan 2008 14:29 GMT > Back in late February, my cat Mouse began acting funny. Everything > began with her voice getting weaker and squeakier, and some lethargy [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > blind from the steroids? It's amazing that she was able to fight as > long as she did. This has got to be a troll.
You waited months to get the cat the care it needed, then let it slowly die in agony, instead of having it humanely euthanized?
Nah, I'm not biting.
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mlbriggs - 04 Jan 2008 17:34 GMT >> Back in late February, my cat Mouse began acting funny. Everything >> began with her voice getting weaker and squeakier, and some lethargy and [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > Nah, I'm not biting. I,too, smelled a troll and did not reply. Pathetic, aren't they? MLB
David McCracken - 11 Jan 2008 05:43 GMT <SNIP>
> They > had trouble with that sample too, and called us back a while later > after we went home to tell us that Mouse was so anemic that they > couldn't get a proper blood sample from her, her blood was too thin.
> hard. She apparently began losing her mind, because everytime we'd > set her in the box, she'd start eating the litter and we;d have to > reach down and block her from doing it. </SNIP>
Moonlit:
I'm very sorry for your loss. My own cat is going through a similar scenario. She suddenly showed signs of anemia over the holidays and has been through a blood transfusion and has started chemotherapy plus Epogen injections.
The reason why your cat was eating the cat litter was because her body craved anything containing iron, which helps produce red blood cells. Rest assured that it wasn't because she was crazy. Animals (and humans) will often crave things that their body needs. If you read about anemia in cats, you'll find plenty of documented cases in which cats eat litter.
I know it will be a tough day when I have to euthanize my cat, which I know will be soon. Even with chemotherapy, cats with lymphoma (which my cat was ultimately diagnosed with) only stay in remission for about six months before succumbing to cancer. I hope that I will be able to recognize when that time comes; as many people have pointed out, cats tend to instinctively mask their pain. I've spoken with my vet about whether he feels I'm potentially dragging things out for my cat, and he assures me that for right now, she's doing her normal routine and it's far too early to be talking euthanasia. But, as I said, I know it's coming for my 11-year-old kitty.
Best of luck to you in your time of sorrow. I offer my most sincere condolences.
-David
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