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The stigma of owning a cat.
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David McCracken - 20 Dec 2007 16:46 GMT Hi everyone:
I haven't posted in this forum in a long while, but have always found it full of great people with much knowledge and love for cats. So I immediately thought of this newsgroup when I wanted to share this perspective about cat ownership.
One of my two 10-year-old cats suddenly became ill over the last weekend and she's been in the hospital for the last few days. The vet says her immune system is attacking her red blood cells and platelets, so they've put her on steroids and IV fluids. They've stabilized her enough that I'm about to pick her up in about a half hour. She stopped eating once she got to the vet, so their hope is that she'll start back up once she returns home and gets back to her routine. Otherwise, she may be returning to the vet and spending the holidays there.
What I really want to discuss is what I've had to endure over the past few days with friends and co-workers as I deal with my pet's health crisis. I suppose I could be imagining much of this, so bear with me. My general impression is that most dog people or non-pet owners don't seem to understand the need to, for example, stay home from work babysitting a sick cat. I get the feeling as though cat ownership is less valid of an excuse to be at home vs. a sick child or even a sick dog.
Jokes typically come up when I discuss how much I've already spent on my cat (about $700 this week). Someone had commented that they're not even sure they'd spend that much on their own child, let alone a cat. I realize they were just ribbing me about it, but you know what they say about there always being a shred of truth behind every joke. On some base level, I think they were actually being sincere. I should point out that these are otherwise good co-workers with whom I get along fine.
I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners out there have felt the sting of this stigma. Perhaps people just have a hard time linking a 6 foot, 2-inch, 235-pound male to two little kitties instead of, say, a Doberman. ;)
Would appreciate any thoughts or experiences.
Thanks again and happy holidays.
bookie - 20 Dec 2007 17:44 GMT > Hi everyone: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays. unfortunately i have had to endure simliar, as have a couple of my friends. When i was working as a teacher I had to take my old cat at the time (jasper, bless him) into the vets sometime between 8 and 8.30am at their main surgery in the next town. for most people this would not be an issue as they woudl just roll in to work a little bit later but obviously with teachign and schools everything works to a strict timetable and the kids have to be supervised at all times and if you are gong to be late you have get your missed lessons covered and have a damn good excuse for doing so (for example , you have just died or something). Anyway i asked if someone could cover my morning registration period for my tutor group which woudl start at 8.35 am until 8.55am as i could not guarantee that with all the rush hour traffic around at that time that i would be in school in time. when i asked the assistant head for this he looked at me as though i had just landed from mars or something, and repeated "you want someone to cover your morning registration whilst you take your cat to the vet!!!!! are you having a laugh??!!!", and i had to point out that the cat could not very well take itself to the vets so i had to do it and i had to drop him off in that particular window of time. Basically i was made to feel as though i was aksing the earth of them and when i got back to school by 9am after much stressfull rushing about and going through red lights to get there, i was really made to feel as though i had really 'let the side down' by a number of people for just not being there for some poxy 20 minute registration time (which for the uninitiated is just when you call the register and read out notices to your class, no actual teaching occurs).
What made me more annoyed was that for the next 3 days of that week another woman in my dept took the rest of the week off whilst we had to cover her lessons for her, and why? cos her snotty nosed kid had a cold and so of course she has to stay at home tolook after him. when i raised an objection i was told 'it is a sick child and you could not possibly understand'. remember that the woman herself was not ill, just her smelly kid.
it happens time and again, and it pisses me off, how else was jasper supposed to get the vets in time to be sedated for his op and dental? he had to be there as early as possible. how dare they give me grief over that, but the bastards did.
another time, i had a phone call form my dad tellign me that he had jusy had to take tegan (childhood cat, my chocolate tortie princess, had her since she was a kitten) to the vet as she had thrown up blood and that they had found a massive tumour in her stomach and they were advising to have her put to sleep the next day. Well that was a no brainer for me, i just rang up the school and told them that i would not be in the next day because I had a sick cat and was going to take it to the vet to be put to sleep, i was not going to ASK for permission to take the day off, i was goin to TELL themn that was what i was going to do, SOD 'EM!!!!! i had to take the day off anyway cos i had to drive down to my dad's place and then on to the vet's and I wanted to spend some time with tegan to say goodbye and even if they had done it in the mornign there was NO WAY i woudl have gone back into school to deal with all those nasty little hooligans in there inthe state i knew i would be in, i woudl be a wreck. if it had been a human family member then noone woudl have said anythign and i woudl have probably been allowed the week off or something, but with a cat, who to me and my dad and brother was as much a part of our family as anyone else and who we had had around for 17 years, is often considered nothing to get worked up about, apparantly. If i had asked for the day off to go and say goodbye they woudl have said 'no', which is why i just told them that i was going to take it, no argument.
in the end I am glad i did because tegan got a stay of execution and when i went into the vets she perked up and i persuaded them to let her live for a bit longer (ok we did string it out too long inthe end but she did not need to be put down that day, her quality of life was ok at the time). yes i got some vicious comments the next day but quite frankly they can f.ck off, and i took great pleasure in tellign them how much more valuable a creature and individual little Tegan was compared to some of the lowlifes i had to work with and teach in that school and that i woud have no qualms in doing the same again, and that she had contributed much more love to the world around her than some of th destructive humans i had ever encountered in my life.
I pains me to say it but you really are not alone, i have encountered such arseholes myself, but now i just ignore them cos they are all w.nkers basically and have their priorities all wrong. these are the people who say that cats are aloof and unfriendly, well they obviously have not spent any time in the company of a cat as they woudln't come out with that crap if they had. i could call my cats many things (mad, deranged, bonkers, greedy, dopey, loving, insane, playful, adoring) but never aloof.
keep your chin up mate, we are here for you and we do understand what you are goin g through
purrs to your poor little mistress, hope she gets better soon bookie
cindys - 20 Dec 2007 17:58 GMT > Hi everyone: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays. ---------- You're right. Many years ago, when I was just out of college and still living with my parents, my first cat was diagnosed with feline leukemia (this was in the days before there were blood tests and vaccines for this). At the time, my parents spent several hundred dollars trying to save him (the vet initially diagnosed him with bronchitis). Despite our best efforts, the cat lasted only about three weeks after the diagnosis, and he was really suffering, so we had him euthanized (we waited too long). I was very depressed the next day at work. One of my coworkers said "Oh, for crying out loud, it's only a cat !!" and "Your parents must really have liked that cat to have spent so much money on it." When I pointed out to the woman that she would probably do the same for her dog, she answered "That's different. That's a dog."
Last year, when Molly was dying, I expressed my sadness to someone whom I thought was a friend. He laughed and joked: "Well, there's a quick and easy cure for that you know..." I got furious. I answered him that if his dog were sick and dying and I made a joke of it, I didn't think he would be laughing too hard. He very quickly got somber and apologized profusely.
Generally, though, I don't know that the stigma is so much more for cats than for dogs. I think a lot of people (without companion animals) do respond negatively when someone's dog is sick. To them, it's only a "pet" and easily replaced, and people without companion animals don't understand. That could be the reason people like this don't have companion animals in the first place. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
jamina1@gmail.com - 20 Dec 2007 21:55 GMT I know that feeling, though I know some people who take the care of their cats a bit too far.
My mom and I used to run a pet-sitting business and were on good terms with a kitty named "wilbur" who we had sat for a few times. Early in my collge years my mom called me out of the blue and told me that he had died. I started crying just as if a family member had died and my roommate was confused to why I was expending so much effort over a cat.
On the other hand, however, one can get so wrapped up in a cat that you lose sight of its better health trying to keep it alive. My parents have a kitty who is most likely completely deaf and is going blind and shes probably 16 years old by now. Though there isn't anything severely wrong with her health, she spends most of the night yowling for someone because she can't hear anything and I think that the cat has actually gone crazy in her old age. I can't tell my parents but they really should put the poor kitty to sleep instead of going to the vet and dumping money on her over an over. I love the cat, but.. enough is enough.
Mara - 20 Dec 2007 23:43 GMT <unlurk>
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>I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners out >there have felt the sting of this stigma. Perhaps people just have a hard >time linking a 6 foot, 2-inch, 235-pound male to two little kitties instead >of, say, a Doberman. ;) > >Would appreciate any thoughts or experiences. No, it isn't just your imagination. I have 7 cats and get it all the time. The eldest two are 10 years old, too. My own father, who had dogs all the time he was growing up and at 80 still talks about them, used to tell me I should take them out and shoot them whenever I had to take one to the vet. And no, he wasn't kidding.
I lost my littlest one Sunday evening. If he knew about it, he'd laugh. To me, that indicates something wrong with *him*, not me. I get it from lots of people at work, too. So, sadly, you're not alone.
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>Thanks again and happy holidays.
 Signature In Memoriam For Roz, Oct. 1, 2007 - 12/16/07 "Rise slowly, angel - it's hard to let you go."
mlbriggs - 21 Dec 2007 01:25 GMT > <unlurk> > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >>"....Rise up slowly, Angel. It's hard to let you go..." MLB
jmc - 21 Dec 2007 06:58 GMT Suddenly, without warning, David McCracken exclaimed (12/21/2007 2:16 AM):
> Hi everyone: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays. Not just cats. I got a lot of grief from one of my bosses because I had to leave work to deal with a colicky horse.
Fortunately, the people I work with now are very understanding, many of them are "furkids only" families, so they understand the importance of a pet when there's no kids in the house.
jmc
blkcatgal - 21 Dec 2007 16:16 GMT I make a point of discussing my pets, etc. only with co-workers and friends that I know would understand. Two years ago, when my cat became very ill and I had to have him put to sleep, I think there was only one person at work that I could really confide in. Sure, others would have been sympathetic, but I don't think they would truly understand how painful that time was for me.
Sue
> Hi everyone: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays. Paul M. Cook - 21 Dec 2007 19:05 GMT > I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners out > there have felt the sting of this stigma. Perhaps people just have a hard > time linking a 6 foot, 2-inch, 235-pound male to two little kitties instead > of, say, a Doberman. ;) > > Would appreciate any thoughts or experiences. You aren't imagining it. It's a social stereotype.
I'm a 6 foot 1 inch 280 pound man with a Grizzly Adams beard and size 13EE shoes who some say would look more at home on a Harley than in my poofy little Jag. I'm a big, hulking SOB as some have called me and damn it I am supposed to have a big hulking dog as a pet. Men "like us" have Bull Mastiffs or German Shepherds or huge Labrador retrievers. Cats are - well - sissy.
And I have lost 2 cats in 2 months and I will be damned if I am telling anybody but a couple of friends and my immediate family.
That is because I went though what you are going through when I had a sick cat back in 2000. He was dying of cancer and before that we had a crisis with a huge tumor near his heart. All I am going to say is that I am glad I am a man of peace or some very obnoxious bastards would not be around now. The comments I got ranged from rude, to cruel to knowingly abusive and antagonizing. My ordeal brought out a side of people that we all know is there but are nonetheless shocked to see first hand.
To all of them I say screw 'em, They aren't worth the dynamite it would take to blow them to hell.
Sorry for the coarse talk, but your post hit home. And yes, us big guys have hearts too and just because we are not some cute little kid or a woman or a "non threatening male" doesn't mean we don't have love and compassion for animals and feel a huge sense of loss when they die. I like dogs but I love cats. Simple as that.
The prejudices people harbor are a product of permanent adolescence. Our society does not require anyone to grow up anymore, preferring a state of permanent childhood to over being an adult and along with that comes the same crap you'd expect from an adolescent.. People react they do not think. And they will judge you and they will ostracize you for putting your cats needs first. I lost a job over a sick cat once because my boss and fellow employees were aghast that I took time off to care for my cat. They needed a "team player" as they said. But I would do it again and to hell with what people think.
Paul
David McCracken - 22 Dec 2007 03:52 GMT > You aren't imagining it. It's a social stereotype. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Paul Hi Paul:
Thank you so much for this. Your comments are exactly the shot in the arm I needed, as were all the replies so far. Your thoughts particularly mirror my own and I appreciate it. I'm glad we're all not alone in this.
cindys - 23 Dec 2007 01:05 GMT To me, one of the most touching sights in the world is being in the supermarket and seeing a man buying cat food. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
>> I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners > out [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Paul Phil P. - 24 Dec 2007 11:44 GMT > To me, one of the most touching sights in the world is being in the > supermarket and seeing a man buying cat food. I think a lot of women must feel the same way because I've met more women in pet stores than anywhere else. I just don't have the time to do anything about it. lol
The first thing I look for in a woman is cat hair on her clothes!
Happy Holidays,
Phil
"Cats are a great warm-up to a successful marriage;
they teach you your place in the household".
--Paul Gallico
Matthew - 23 Dec 2007 01:44 GMT >> I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners > out [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > well - > sissy. Please I like dogs but something about an animals that don't bury their own feces Nope not for me.
> And I have lost 2 cats in 2 months and I will be damned if I am telling > anybody but a couple of friends and my immediate family. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > To all of them I say screw 'em, They aren't worth the dynamite it would > take to blow them to hell. Nothing wrong with that I judge a person when I talk to them if they give a strange face or comment when I talk about cats you can bet they don't ever come around me again or get a job at my place of business
> Sorry for the coarse talk, but your post hit home. And yes, us big guys > have hearts too and just because we are not some cute little kid or a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I > love cats. Simple as that. AMEN BROTHER
> The prejudices people harbor are a product of permanent adolescence. Our > society does not require anyone to grow up anymore, preferring a state of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Paul Hell yeah a man after my heart. I would do that in a heart beat I have told many of a boss to stick it where the sun don't shine when I was working for others
Paul I am like you a big guy people think I am nuts when I tell them I am cat lover.
You should have seen my uncle when he was in the Angels when bikers were bikers. 6 foot 5 inches 330 pound of pure muscle a masonry worker all his life. He loved kittens. I think he had twelve cats all rescues. He used to take one named tank with him when he rode his course. The cat sat in a special harness and helmet when he was going slow cruising to see this cat in basically a baby harness with a helmet on was a sight to see.
I told my ex wife the cats came before her and she knew it. Notice I said Ex
Lesley - 22 Dec 2007 18:12 GMT > Hi everyone: > > I haven't posted in this forum in a long while, but have always found it > full of great people with much knowledge and love for cats. So I > immediately thought of this newsgroup when I wanted to share this > perspective about cat ownership. You are far from alone when we had to have Fugazi put to sleep I had to go to work the next day but my then boss, a slave himself couldn't have been nicer- he sent me home early, covered me when I needed to go and cry, placed the phone at my disposal should I wish to call home and check on Dave and my other cat and repeatedly told me that if we weren't short staffed he wouldn't have expected me to come in and he would have told the management it was "compassionate leave"
He got a fair bit of stick when the managers found out through..One of them said to "How old was she?" (I think he was trying to be nice) and I said she was twelve, (as if it made a difference) his reply was "Is that old for one of them?" As I say I guess he was trying to be nice because he then followed it up with "I really don't know anything about cats"
His boss was all for putting my boss and me on a disciplinary over it since he didn't regard being upset over "a mere cat" (his words) just cause to expect me to do less work for one day and get away with it (as he saw it). Fortunately we were both very good at our jobs and each made it perfectly clear we would walk out in support of the other so he let the matter drop
the all-time winner through is my mother, when I told her Isis had died she shrugged and said "I suppose you get fond of the things"
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
cybercat - 22 Dec 2007 19:10 GMT >the all-time winner through is my mother, when I told her Isis had >died she shrugged and said "I suppose you get fond of the things" OMG
Sheelagh>"o"< - 23 Dec 2007 16:41 GMT > >the all-time winner through is my mother, when I told her Isis had > >died she shrugged and said "I suppose you get fond of the things" > > OMG People who don't have cat's of their own, simply *Do not wish to understand*, over here. It is a terrible shame, but it is the truth.
Sheelagh>"o"<
cybercat - 23 Dec 2007 16:58 GMT On Dec 22, 7:10 pm, "cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Lesley" <LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote > > >the all-time winner through is my mother, when I told her Isis had > >died she shrugged and said "I suppose you get fond of the things" > > OMG
>People who don't have cat's of their own, simply *Do not wish to >understand*, over here. It is a terrible shame, but it is the >truth. Yes, and unfortunately some people who DO have cats don't see them as members of the family. I feel sorry for those who cannot appreciate them for what they are.
Lesley - 24 Dec 2007 15:43 GMT On 23 Dec, 08:41, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> People who don't have cat's of their own, simply *Do not wish to > understand*, over here. It is a terrible shame, but it is the truth. I had completely forgotten the worse one (probably because it's a painful memory)...I used to play in a game on a Wednesday and one week I turned up and had the following conversation with the DM;
DM "I don't know if I should let you play- you missed the last two weeks"
Me "The week before last I told you I had to work late"
DM "Yes that's okay but what's your excuse for last week?"
Me: "I had to take one of my cats to the vet"
DM "And what time was that?"
Me: "Six thirty"
DM "So you could have still made the game we don't start until 8.00"
Me: (voice quavering) "But I had to have her put to sleep, we were both very upset"
DM "Okay I'll let you back in the game but under probation, I don't know if you're really that dedicated to the game, I wouldn't have let something as trivial as a dead cat make me miss a game"
I am forever grateful to a friend and his dear wife who simply took one of my shoulders each turned me round and walked me away from the guy or else I would be typing from prison. I've never seen red like it before or since. This charming speciment went pale when he saw my face after he said that and then to add insult to injury he went round telling people I was "mental". That, however rebounded when he told this other guy whose game he really wanted to be in that "She went mental over a dead cat" and got the reply that when he had his cat put to sleep he couldn't face the World for a week and stayed at home so "she's really good to come out and she certainly doesn't need a moron like you slagging her off"
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
bookie - 24 Dec 2007 22:07 GMT > On 23 Dec, 08:41, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs what a complete c.nt that chap was, what 'game' do you mean?
i woudl have given him the full force of my wrath with both barrels, nasty little turd
hopefully he got just what he deserved later on in life, that is exactly the kind of nasty thoughtless and vicious comment that i think we have all been subjected to at some point or other and just goes to show how pointless most of the human race really is and why cats are so much better company
that bloke would not be walking if he had said that to me.
grrrr... bookie
Lesley - 25 Dec 2007 16:50 GMT > what a complete c.nt that chap was, what 'game' do you mean? The game was Advanced Dungeons and Dragons- you do sometimes get pillocks with no social skills playing them then again in my current club our commitee of four can boast six cats between three of us (and the other one's allergic to cats!). Our chairman Hugh, recently found a kitten in the middle of the road at midnight and took her home swearing he couldn't afford another cat, he lasted a few hours before it went to "If she's not claimed I'll probably keep her", then about 24 hours after he found her "She's called Bandit" then within 48 hours his flatmate had changed from "We can't have another cat" to "I suppose you're going to keep her and I can live with that"
That was about 7 weeks ago, guess where a kitten called Bandit lives now?
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
22brix - 22 Dec 2007 22:35 GMT "Lesley" <LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in message news:88679488-7c22-43d2-a23f-the all-time winner through is my mother, when I told her Isis had died she shrugged and said "I suppose you get fond of the things"
Lesley
Reminds me of my mother-in-law; when she found out one of mine had to be put to sleep she said "Good--you have too many!" Needless to say, this did not particularly endear her to me!
Bonnie
cybercat - 23 Dec 2007 00:18 GMT > "Lesley" <LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in message > news:88679488-7c22-43d2-a23f-the all-time winner through is my mother, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > put to sleep she said "Good--you have too many!" Needless to say, this > did not particularly endear her to me! Jesus.
Matthew - 23 Dec 2007 01:30 GMT > "Lesley" <LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in message > news:88679488-7c22-43d2-a23f-the all-time winner through is my mother, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bonnie Sounds like my ex bitch in law
Phil P. - 24 Dec 2007 11:56 GMT > I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners out > there have felt the sting of this stigma. Perhaps people just have a hard [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays. I think this will make you feel better:
"Confessions of a Cat Guy.
Authors: Kollus, Brad
Source: Cats Magazine; Dec99, Vol. 55 Issue 12, p66, 1p, 1c
CONFESSIONS OF A CAT GUY Am I crazy?
I'm a very eligible, professional, straight male in his early 30s who loves cats. What's wrong
with that? You'd think my caring, sensitive and nurturing nature would be an instant chick
magnet. But no, it's not considered "manly," I'm told.
Just because I love my two kids (er, kitties), Scotty and Spanky, buy Cats magazine and wear
a silver cat ring, I get tagged as "weird." So what if I'm constantly tripping over catnip mice or
that I've taught my cats how to play tetherball? Who cares if my cats have health insurance or
that I have a cat shrine (complete with cat candies) or that I carry miniature portraits of my
kitties in my wallet? After all, the guy next to me is showing off--woo-hoo!--yet another
drooling baby picture. I think it's a testament to my sympathetic side that I have a cat license
plate, own the Franklin Mint's Egyptian Cat Goddess Bast Statute, brush my cats' teeth and
have an extensive library of cat books. Does this all make me odd?
Don't answer.
If I went to golf shows, bought Golf Digest, spent every weekend golfing, had hundreds of
dollars in golf accessories, a golf book library and a membership to a country club, would I be
weird? I think so. But it would be socially acceptable and that's just not right.
I've tried to meet the right woman. I placed a personal ad in the paper and included that I like
cats. I made a date with a veterinarian who owned two cats. C'mon, this had to work. But she'd
had four years of vet school and I had to correct her all the time. She didn't even brush her
cats' teeth. I had no choice but to stop seeing her.
Then there was Shelter Girl. She worked at the local animal shelter, owned nine cats, had her
own pet-sitting business and worked part-time at a pet store. Paradise, I thought. We'd grow
old together, she and me and our cats. We'd volunteer at the shelter and hold hands while
scooping cat litter--two cat-lovers in love. But alas, she broke it off. "I don't have time for a
man," she said. Her cats took it all up.
On another date, I tried to impress a woman by telling her how I had taught my cats to play
tetherball and that we were invited to appear on the Late Show with David Letterman.
(Unfortunately, I had to turn that offer down since my cats were too neurotic to perform in
public.) "It's so cute that you taught your cats to play baseball," she said politely
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"Baseball!" I bellowed. "Cats playing baseball? That's absurd. Ever seen a cat hold a bat? No
honey, my cats play tetherball." She never returned my calls.
Then, I met Kate. rd finally met the right woman. I spent our time together feeling as though I
was floating on the ceiling. I perused jewelry shop windows. Then one night after watching
Shakespeare in Love, she ripped out my still-beating heart. She just (ouch!) wanted to be
friends.
After months of agonizing, I bumped into her. I swore nothing she could say would shake me.
"By the way, Brad," she said, "I'm allergic to cats." I felt salt pouring afresh into my wounds.
Sometimes I think I should give up my loves to be "normal." Then Scotty crawls on my chest
and Spanky on my lap and I realize it's not an option. There's nothing wrong with a guy who
loves cats. Maybe there's something wrong with a world that devalues such a relationship. I'm
not crazy I'm not.
OK, maybe t am. But just a little.
There's nothing wrong with a guy who loves his cats.
~~~~~~~~
By Brad Kollus
Brad Kollus lives in Columbus, Ohio. Matchmakers may send letters to Brad care of Cats magazine."
Happy Holidays,
Phil
"I have found my love of cats most helpful
in understanding women'
--John Simon
PawsForThought - 24 Dec 2007 14:43 GMT When I lost my last cat, my employer could not understand why I was so upset. In his favor, he did send flowers though and let me take time off from work. But he still didn't and to this day doesn't understand my feelings. Then another person at work started wtih "so are you getting a new cat now?"
I live on a dirt road and in the spring and summer months, it gets quite dusty. I have a cat with asthma. I have to call the city for them to come spray the road, otherwise, they hardly do it. So when I call I always tell them my "daughter's" asthma has been very bad, can they please come spray the road. Now when I call they recognize me and say "oh, you're the lady with the asthmatic daughter." (I know the city wouldn't care if I said I had an asthmatic cat.)
As to men and cats, I find a man who loves cats to be much sexier and more of a man than men who don't like cats. My husband is extremely manly when he lets our cat Mickey nurse on his beard :)
bookie - 24 Dec 2007 15:47 GMT > > I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners > out [quoted text clipped - 151 lines] > > --John Simon where can i find this man? what's his number? he is the man for me!!!!!
unless he is really ugly or fat of course
i have to say those men who think that taking a baby out to the park or something is going to attract women are completely wrong; any single girl will just assume that you are already taken (hence the kid, it is probably yours and you are only taking it out cos you have) and give you a very wide berth. You want to walk a dog or something, doesn't show that you are already burdened with kids and a woman, but you are (a) a caring animal lover and (b) may be single
obviously if one could walk a cat inthe park that would be better, but that is tricky.
anyway, al those people who claim they are allergic to cats YOU ARE TALKING BOLLOCKS, no such thing as far as i am concerned, just get over it wahtever it is, my dad's cat used to make my eyes itch and water a lot but i got over it and so should you. it is just a sad excuse used by horrible people who are not in touch with their feline side and anyone who claims that they are allergic to cats should be avoided at all costs
and phil, my clothes are covered in cat hair
bookie
Lesley - 24 Dec 2007 19:15 GMT > anyway, al those people who claim they are allergic to cats YOU ARE > TALKING BOLLOCKS, Not strictly true a friend of mine nearly died because cat hair gave her asthma so badly she stopped breathing luckily in the ambulance
However making eyes stream and sting is not in the same league- a guy I know was allergic to cat dander but his fiancee was a cat lover so he took anithistamines and said "The cost of loving her is I have to get used to cats"
Now they have 7 and his allergies are a lot better through he still has to keep them out of the bedroom
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
bookie - 24 Dec 2007 22:19 GMT > > anyway, al those people who claim they are allergic to cats YOU ARE > > TALKING BOLLOCKS, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs 'allergies' are caused by proteins in the cats saliva which set off one's immune system to overreact, thinking that the invading alien proteins are somehow harmfull and thus the usual symptoms of running eyes, itching, sneezing etc are triggered off. asthma is something else entirely and would not be sorted by antihistamines. i do applaud your friend who took them though, after a while he may have got used to the proteins and his immune system might have calmed down, is he stil taking the medication? might find he does not need it anymore.
anyway, reason i am soooo peeved by people and their alleged allergies is that i am looking for a new home and whenever i mention to potential housemates that i would want to bring my cats to live there too (well obviously i am going nowhere without them, unthinkable!) some precious a-hole comes out with "oh but i am allergic!!!" which is really starting to piss me off something chronic. the instances of cat allergy amongst tenants in shared houses is unbelievably high, so high that i do not believe them, and usually comes after sillly questions like "but won't she chase off all the birds from the garden?" or "but won't she pee everywhere?" or "but she will bite us won't she?" (jessie has no teeth!!!!) or any other questions designed to produce an answer which will lead them to say "ooooh no then we can't let you bring a cat with you".
i'm all worked up now i have to go and cuddle a cat, it's just not fair with it being christmas now and all that
bookie
Lesley - 25 Dec 2007 17:06 GMT or any other questions designed to
> produce an answer which will lead them to say "ooooh no then we can't > let you bring a cat with you". If they don't want a cat all they have to do when you phone to ask about the flat is politely say something like "No pets sorry" they can even dress it up as "the landlord won't allow it" I always think people who say "I don;t like cats" have either not yet met the right cat (happened to a friend of mine who said "They're okay but not for me"- I think because his ex-wife was mad about cats and he's got a lot of bad memories about that time. Then one day he was sitting in his living room and a cat walked in, looked round and settled down-just like that and now he's looking for a new place to live and can't move into somewhere that won't take Fuzzbutt....) or there is just something wrong with their personality I feel sorry for them obviously they will never settle down for a night's sleep and have a warm purring bundle of joy snuggled next to them or find themselves laughing at something the cat just did and is currently giving the "I meant to do that" look (which makes it even funnier) or just staring in amazement at how something that small can jump that far or well....everyone here can fill in their special moments when they realise how extra wonderful their cats are to them
Okay these people will never clean litter trays or wipe up after a furball (I've actually heard that as an excuse for not having a cat from a woman with two children- sorry? You could change a nappy but it's beyond you to grab a bit of kitchen towel and wipe up a furball? I can't stand human's being sick, I nearly join in but all I think when a cat throws up is "Are you okay?")
Mind you the strangest reason I have heard for not liking cats has now been told to me by three ladies from the West Indies so perhaps it's a cultural thing and that is that cats are creatures of Satan and you can tell because "At night you can see Satan shining out from their eyes"
I tried explaining why a cats eye shines in the dark but they wouldn;t have it all I got was a story from one of them about her cousin who was about to go for a drive and a cat walked across his path and they all said, he shouldn't make the journey because the "devil cat" has cursed him and he laughed and drove off....and ,of course, there was a terrible accident they found his brain 6 feet from the car...I think she's quoting an urban legend but she insisted it happened to a cousin of hers
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
zob - 31 Dec 2007 08:39 GMT >> I'm wondering first if this is just my imagination...if other cat owners >out [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > >There's nothing wrong with a guy who loves his cats. As another guy who love his cats, I found this article to be right on! I relate.
birdsong - 27 Dec 2007 17:15 GMT Hi there,
So sorry to hear what you are going through.
I had a similar experience with friends in college after the loss of a pet. After seeing how many people did not understand my tears that day when I explained I lost a pet, I decided from that moment on that anyone who didn't "get it" was then told, "I'm sorry, I lost a dear friend today." They understood. I never had to tell them the species of my friend.
Perhaps you can do the same...a friend or family member is in the hospital. Anyone who hans't loved a cat will never quite "get it." For those of us who have, we can't see it any other way but that it is a true friend and family member.
Hope your cat will be okay. You must be so worried.
Donna in CT
IBen Getiner - 30 Dec 2007 09:24 GMT > Hi everyone: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays. YOU are a NUT. What 'men' like you need MORE THAN ANYTHING is to be thrust up to the front lines over in Iraq, with a gun in your hand and a target painted on your chest. Or better yet, they should do it to your CHILD (assuming you're not a queer, which something tells me....)This would REALLY help put things into their proper perspectives! All this BULLKRAP about 'staying homes with the sick baby' bullkrap. Bullkrap.
Sheelagh>"o"< - 30 Dec 2007 18:14 GMT > On Dec 20, 11:46�am, "David McCracken" > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > Thanks again and happy holidays. <Snipped so others don't have to tolerate you>
Big words with little action. Nothing, would please me more than seeing you lead by example......
Sheelagh>"o"<
IBen Getiner - 30 Dec 2007 09:26 GMT > Hi everyone: > > I haven't posted in this forum in a long while, Your record shows NEVER
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T - 30 Dec 2007 15:40 GMT In article <9132a1a4-9a26-403f-a5aa-fe9f7cf64433 @n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, lappcatt@webtv.net says...
> > Hi everyone: > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=M2Ko3R4AAAAWDpBLqRntuiIpneYsgb8 0zCEIiRdHGZMCIHZ5OvvJcg Got to love Google as rap sheet.
LRN6857@gmail.com - 31 Dec 2007 10:21 GMT Hi David~~I know just want you are going through, but first, how is your little one? Any better? Is he eating now? I actually changed jobs at one point because the chiropractor that I worked for told me..."from now on tell your cats to die on a Thursday.." Thursdays are customary days for chiropractors offices to be closed. This family of chiropractors was in the business of 'healing' but had no compassion for anything past thier checkbooks! I work for the school system now and fortunately have sick and personnal days but I have always felt the stigma of being a cat owner and still feel compelled to white lie about my time off. Of course, if I was at work, I could not keep my mind on my job knowing I had a sick one at home. Even parents of human children fell compelled to lie when it comes to saying home with their sick kids. Or worse, they can't stand being home with them, so they send them to school or day care just to be rid of them for the day, they get sicker, spread their nasty germs and create an epidemic! I'll take my cats, anyday! Thanks for opening the subject line and hope all is well! Happy New Year...Lorraine, Toms River, NJ
> Hi everyone: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Thanks again and happy holidays.
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