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do cats need to get teeth pulled?

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miko - 07 Dec 2007 05:45 GMT
i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
pulled,,under general anesthesia.

i am not comfortable with vets putting pets under. i have lost two
cats after leaving them at a vet hospital.

the vet gave me the standard line "poor teeth ache like humans". well
i believe animals in the animal kingdom live with such minor issues
and that tooth aches are a decidedly human issue.  all of my cats have
had bad teeth at some point and time. couple that with my concern
about having my cat being put under, the lack of faith i have in vet
"surgeons/doctors", and i'd like to ask you all what you think.

understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
about.
cybercat - 07 Dec 2007 05:51 GMT
>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

lol
miko - 07 Dec 2007 06:13 GMT
> lol

hmmmm. i'll take that under consideration.
cybercat - 07 Dec 2007 07:26 GMT
>> lol
>
> hmmmm. i'll take that under consideration.

Have you ever had a tooth ache?

Do you think cats have less nerves in their mouths?

Take your animal to the vet and have his teeth taken care of and spare us
the rationalizations for not spending the money. Or put your cat into the
care of someone with some sense and compassion. Jesus.
miko - 07 Dec 2007 07:45 GMT
> Have you ever had a tooth ache?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the rationalizations for not spending the money. Or put your cat into the
> care of someone with some sense and compassion. Jesus.

cyberC,,,are you an incredible dumbass or is it you just friggin'
can't read!
Gandalf - 08 Dec 2007 10:23 GMT
>>> lol
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>the rationalizations for not spending the money. Or put your cat into the
>care of someone with some sense and compassion. Jesus.

Well, I can't say it any better than cybercat already has....

But I'll expand on it some:

I have bad teeth; very weak enamel due to having scarlet fever at just
the worst time as a child.

I've had some very, very bad toothaches over my lifetime; several root
canals, etc.. The pain can be in the same league as a 'moderate' kidney
stone.

You need to experience a few, so you can put your cat's suffering in the
proper perspective.

Cats experience pain exactly the same as *you* would, if you had a soul,
that is.
l - 08 Dec 2007 21:29 GMT
> ..
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> us the rationalizations for not spending the money. Or put your cat
> into the care of someone with some sense and compassion. Jesus.

yeah take your cat to a stranger who probably sees it as an object and
is more interested in emptying your wallet than in treating your cat.
take it to someone who often kills cats through incompetence with little
or no worry of repercussions.
Galloping Clippers - 09 Dec 2007 13:52 GMT
>>"miko" <bruin70@mail.com> wrote in message
>>news:a59ca200-3bcc-450c-a466-
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> take it to someone who often kills cats through incompetence with little
> or no worry of repercussions.

Not to defend the rude and insufferable cybercat, but can you find a
different vet? And report yours to the Board?
k - 08 Dec 2007 21:25 GMT
miko <bruin70@mail.com> wrote in news:a59ca200-3bcc-450c-a466-
a8bb132d834c@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com:

>> lol
>
> hmmmm. i'll take that under consideration.

What you should take under consideration is what a moron cybercat is.
Galloping Clippers - 09 Dec 2007 13:53 GMT
> miko <bruin70@mail.com> wrote in news:a59ca200-3bcc-450c-a466-
> a8bb132d834c@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What you should take under consideration is what a moron cybercat is.

The killfile is your friend ;)
Matthew - 07 Dec 2007 06:42 GMT
>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

Miko  Rule of thumb unless you trust your vet completely  get a second
opinion

Ask your vet if you can use a light anesthesia.
dgk - 07 Dec 2007 14:07 GMT
>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
>pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
>about.

Cats do need teeth pulled sometimes since, besides pain which they do
feel but hide, resulting infections can kill them. I don't know why
seven at one time on a three year old cat though. Were there symptoms
that caused you to bring the cat to the vet?

General anesthesia is a real cause for concern but of course most
animals recover just fine. There are different kinds that are used but
it has definitely gotten safer over the years. Google General
Anesthesia Cats and you'll find plenty to read. I've had several cats,
including very sick ones, tolerate anesthesia very well. Or, at least,
they lived through it.

I adopted one very elderly cat with major mouth problems and had to
have all of her teeth pulled. Many were broken off below the gum line.
If that tough old bitch made it through (Jackie for those that
remember her), then your cat should also.

So, two questions. Why do seven teeth need to be pulled? and, Do you
have reason to believe that this vet isn't too good with anesthesia?
Maybe even one more question. My vet didn't have experience with that
kind of dental surgery and I couldn't even take her to my "normal"
specialty vet because they didn't have a dentist. I had to take her to
the specialty vet that did have a dental program. Is your vet also a
dentist?

It was worth the money when Jackie started eating and seeming to be
happy.
cindys - 07 Dec 2007 15:19 GMT
snip

> Cats do need teeth pulled sometimes since, besides pain which they do
> feel but hide, resulting infections can kill them.

Agreed. The bacteria enter the bloodstream and make a beeline for the heart
and kidneys.

>I don't know why
> seven at one time on a three year old cat though. Were there symptoms
> that caused you to bring the cat to the vet?

Amanda had a dental a few months ago. She was only six years old, and her
mouth was a total disaster. The vet extracted quite a few teeth. Tux is only
three years old, and while his mouth isn't a disaster, he needs a dental.
Bullwinkle had a dental four years ago, another one two years ago, and now
he needs another. Alex is 16 years old and has never had a dental, and his
teeth are still pretty good. Molly lived to be 17 years old and needed a
dental only at the end (which I did not pursue because at that point, her
renal disease was so advanced, the anesthesia would have killed her, so she
lived on antibiotics for the last few months of her life). Daisy is in the
12 to 14 years old range, has never had a dental, and is just now starting
to get some tartar buildup.

The moral of the story is that the biggest determiner is genetics. When I
expressed my surprise that 3-year-old Tux already needed a dental whereas
16-year-old Alex had never needed one, the vet explained that each cat is
different, and it's not about the food. But there is one caveat, which the
vet raised regarding Bullwinkle (which fortunately did not apply). FIV
kitties do tend to be very prone to dental problems, and when a vet sees
severe periodontal gum disease in a young cat, they do think about FIV.

All of my cats have always come through the anesthesia fine, but I would
think very hard and carefully weigh the pros and cons before I would do a
dental on a 15+-year-old cat (because of the anesthesia). On the one hand,
they are frail and more prone to infection from periodontal disease. On the
other hand, anesthesia is more risky the more they age. On the other hand,
their periodontal disease is only going to get worse, not better. Overall,
it's a hard call.

But if a 3-year-old cat needs a dental, there is no question but that of
course he should have it. He has a long life ahead of him.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Rene S. - 07 Dec 2007 16:14 GMT
> i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
>
> i am not comfortable with vets putting pets under. i have lost two
> cats after leaving them at a vet hospital.

Any anesthesia carries some risk, for pets and people. When it comes
to tooth problems, though, where are many reasons why you *should*
have this taken care of. One obvious reason is pain control for the
animal. A pet whose teeth hurt won't want to eat, may drool, or
otherwise act uncomfortable. Second, the teeth can can become infected
and the infection can travel through the body. Third, the tartar can
travel through the body and go to the heart and/or kidneys. (This is
also the case for humans. There have been a series of ads on tv about
this very thing.)

I know it's a bit scary, but if it were my cat I would take the risk
and have this done. If you are not comfortable with this vet, get
copies of your records and go elsewhere.
kraut - 07 Dec 2007 17:17 GMT
>> i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
>> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>and have this done. If you are not comfortable with this vet, get
>copies of your records and go elsewhere.

There are times when cats do need teeth pulled.  I just had to get 4
pulled on my 16 year old "Kitty".  Afterwards her bad breath was gone
and she ate better then before.

If you have questions about this vet try another and get a second
opinion.  I have done that several times and have found that the first
is usually right.  The only thing I do though is I do not tell the
second what the first said until I get the second opinion and then if
he says something different I tell them about first opinion but
usually the second has, up until now, given pretty much the same
opinion as the first.

Good luck and prayers and purrs are heading you way.
darlin - 07 Dec 2007 16:31 GMT
In article <37616310-850e-4618-bf6d-6b3b280f5101
@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, bruin70@mail.com says...
> i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

Disclaimer: I am not a veterinarian.  I just play one on Usenet.  LOL

Cats get toothaches, of course, but they also have a MUCH higher pain
threshold than humans.  This is probably why they can have rotten teeth
and not act as if they are suffering.  HOWEVER, bad teeth will lead to
infection and that will cause more serious problems.

I believe some vets can just give the animal a muscle relaxant so it
won't struggle and hurt itself during procedures such as tooth-pulling.  
The cat will not be able to move and they'll probably have to intubate
it so it can breathe, but it won't be "out" as it would under general
anesthesia.  So that may be an option.  I don't know if that's any safer
than general anesthesia or not; a real vet should know.
Ron Herfurth - 07 Dec 2007 16:58 GMT
>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

Did those cats have gas or a shot? My vet changed over to gas several years
ago, I think because it was safer. She also offers pre anesthesia blood work
for older cats. Since the gas is more expensive than a shot and safer I
usually pass on the blood work, unless I want blood wokr to look into other
symptoms.

If you've lost 2 there maybe its time for a new vet.

I have several older cats with few or no teeth. I feel really bad for them
but at Least I know there not haveing tooth aches and they seem to eat ok.

ron
bobblespin - 07 Dec 2007 18:05 GMT
>>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
>> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
>> about.

I find it unusual for a 3 year old to need teeth removed, let alone 7 of
them.  All of mine have had teeth removed when they are older, but I would
get another opinion if it were my 3 year old cat.

Bobble
yngver - 08 Dec 2007 06:10 GMT
> >>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> >> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Bobble

Years ago I had a cat who at the age of two needed several teeth
pulled (it's been so long ago I don't remember exactly how many--at
least three). When the vet looked in her mouth he couldn't believe she
was only two. He said her bad teeth must be congenital since, as you
say, it's unusual for a young cat to need so much dental work. So
while it's uncommon, it's possible for a three year old cat to need
some teeth removed.

I do question the number seven, if only because it seems to me the vet
couldn't really tell for sure if all of them need to be pulled until
he gets the cat under anesthesia and cleans the teeth and looks under
the gums. But maybe they are so bad it's obvious.

If the OP has lost two cats to anesthesia, I can see the concern, but
that's got to be either a pretty lousy track record on the part of
that a particular vet, or incredibly bad luck. There's always a risk
with general anesthesia, but the techniques used today mean anesthesia
for cats is much safer than it was years ago. I'd say the risk with
general anesthesia for a three year old cat would be extremely low.
For older cats, many vets do tests beforehand to get a better idea of
whether there is an underlying problem that would preclude anesthesia,
so if you are worried, pre-anesthesia tests might put you more at
ease.
-yngver
Paul M. Cook - 08 Dec 2007 01:23 GMT
> i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

A cat can live perfectly well, and PAIN FREE, after having their teeth
pulled.  They usually leave the big fangs.  Cats do not chew.  They tear off
chunks of meat and swallow.  A "toothless" cat has no need for teeth.

Condemning a cat to chronic lifelong pain is simply cruel.  By all means
have it done and if you aren't sure get a second opinion from another vet.

Paul
Wendy - 08 Dec 2007 11:45 GMT
>i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

Although not common, I have heard of young cats having severe dental
problems that have required extractions. In one case it was a cat under the
age of 2 who needed all her teeth pulled. We rescued another cat who was
around the age of yours who needed all of his pulled as well. He did fine
without them and was adopted and last I heard was doing well in his new
home.

If you aren't comfortable with your vet you should start looking for a new
one. Get recommendations from others you know who have pets. If you have a
pet supply store with an adoption center, ask the volunteers if they know
which vet practices in the area have a good reputation.

Wendy
me - 08 Dec 2007 21:35 GMT
> i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

Find a vet board certified in dental care. Gives you a little extra
chance he/she might actually KNOW what the hell they are doing. Takes
special skills to be a dentist. http://www.avdc.org/
Sheelagh>"o"< - 09 Dec 2007 19:02 GMT
> i have a 3 year old cat and the vet said he needs 7 teeth
> pulled,,under general anesthesia.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> understand,,,it's the process of general anesthesia i am concerned
> about.

You don't specify whether both of your prior cat's died from
veterinary intervention for tooth extraction, so I assume it wasn't
for that precise reason; Perhaps other reasons? If your main concern
is trusting your vet, you *would* be best off finding another one as
fast as you can. The best way to find a good vet, is to ask a friend
or colleague who they take their cats to. It's the best way to find
one that is good @ their job, & does care for your cat as much as you
do. ( It is in his / her interest to do so!) As soon as you have found
one, register your cat & get over there ASAP with your cat & wait for
the second opinion.

If, as I guess they might say, that she does indeed have this
procedure done ASAP, for the cat's sake because they do feel pain just
as much as we do. Make sure to tell them how concerned you are about
it....(putting her to sleep whilst she has the dental work done, I
meant),- they *will* make sure that your feelings are taken into
consideration & adhered to as much as is reasonably possible.

First, we need you to find a vet that you would be happier with asap.
If you need help finding one, then ask for advice from people in your
general area, OK?

As it is the weekend, you might need to bite the bullet & get her seen
asap, before it gets any worse(?) & you end up with a very sick cat
with septicemia who maybe unsaveable if left to fester. Monday am @
the latest would be best if you can do that?
If expense is a factor @ play, then don't feel embarrassed to ask for
financial assistance from anywhere that can help you. (different names
in diffferent countries- RSPCA in UK)- That's what it's there for!
Even a payment plan would work here?

You took the first step & asked for help, which is a good thing.
The only reason cyber is so short with you, is because she has been
asked the same question so often over the years, by people who are
simply too tight fisted to pay for their cat's care. I know that the
moment that you have your cat seen to, & come back to let us know how
you got on, & how your cat is feeling, Cyber would be the first to say
how pleased she is. Trust me?!!

I'm sorry your cat is going through such a bad time, & I hope that you
can take the problem by the horns, so that you can guide what happens
from now on. I hope that this helps you, even if only to confirm that
it is painful for kitty. And, Yes, she does seem a little young for
tooth decay, but then again, as with human, there is always an
exception to the rule.

Good Luck & hope to hear that things are much improved soon.

Sheelagh >"o"<
 
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