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IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 10:04 GMT
Quotes from leaders of the animal rights movement

Pets and Pet Ownership versus Guardianship

"In a perfect world, animals would be free to live their lives to the
fullest: raising their young, enjoying their native environments, and
following their natural instincts. However, domesticated dogs and cats
cannot survive "free" in our concrete jungles, so we must take as good
care of them as possible. People with the time, money, love, and
patience to make a lifetime commitment to an animal can make an
enormous difference by adopting from shelters or rescuing animals from
a perilous life on the street. But it is also important to stop
manufacturing "pets," thereby perpetuating a class of animals forced
to rely on humans to survive." PETA pamphlet, Companion Animals: Pets
or Prisoners?

"I don't have a hands-on fondness for animals...To this day I don't feel
bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I'm
kind to them, but there's no special bond between me and other
animals." Wayne Pacelle
quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote,
1993, p. 251.

"In a perfect world, we would not keep animals for our benefit,
including pets," Tom Regan, emeritus professor of philosophy at North
Carolina State University and author of "Empty Cages" - speaking at
University of Wisconsin-Madison campus, March 3, 2004

"Our goal: to convince people to rescue and adopt instead of buying or
selling animals, to disavow the language and concept of animal
ownership." Eliot Katz, President In Defense of Animals, In Defense of
Animals website, 2001

"I don't use the word "pet." I think it's speciesist language. I
prefer "companion animal." For one thing, we would no longer allow
breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no
pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those
animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the
streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as
you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs
(artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined,
eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return
to a more symbiotic relationship - enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid
Newkirk, PETA vice-president, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack
Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.

"It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of
animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be
ending the concept of pet ownership." Elliot Katz, President "In
Defense of Animals," Spring 1997

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by
human manipulation." Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us? Harper's, August
1988, p. 50.

"Liberating our language by eliminating the word 'pet' is the first
step... In an ideal society where all exploitation and oppression has
been eliminated, it will be NJARA's policy to oppose the keeping of
animals as 'pets.'" New Jersey Animal Rights Alliance, "Should Dogs Be
Kept As Pets? NO!" Good Dog! February 1991, p. 20.

"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete
jungles--from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by
which we enslave it." John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination
of A Changing Ethic Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals, (PeTA), 1982, p. 15.

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic
cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more
neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."
John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic
(Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA),
1982, p. 15.

"As John Bryant has written in his book Fettered Kingdoms, they [pets]
are like slaves, even if well-kept slaves." PeTA's Statement on
Companion Animals.

"In a perfect world, all other than human animals would be free of
human interference, and dogs and cats would be part of the ecological
scheme." PeTA's Statement on Companion Animals.

"You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from
them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding
of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ...
they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come
home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV,"
Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals (PeTA), Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.

Animal Agriculture and Breeding Purebred Dogs and Pedigreed Cats

"We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of
livestock produced through selective breeding. . One generation and
out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They
are creations of human selective breeding." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP
of Humane Society of the US, formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund
for Animals, Animal People, May, 1993
When asked if he envisioned a future without pets, "If I had my
personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don't want to
see another dog or cat born." Wayne Pacelle quoted in Bloodties:
Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 266.

"[A]s the surplus of cats and dogs {artificially engineered by
centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals
would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic
relationship--enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like Us?
Toward a Notion of Animal Rights", Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"[Animal] Fancies provide an escape from the real world, a sense of
purpose in a lot of purposeless lives, a chance to play God by
breeding animals, and a chance to play celebrity by showing them."
Phil Maggitti, The Animals' Agenda, December 1991.

"Breeders must be eliminated! As long as there is a surplus of
companion animals in the concentration camps referred to as
"shelters", and they are killing them because they are homeless, one
should not be allowed to produce more for their own amusement and
profit. If you know of a breeder in the Los Angeles area, whether
commercial or private, legal or illegal, let us know and we will post
their name, location, phone number so people can write them letters
telling them 'Don't Breed or Buy, While Others DIE.'" "Breeders! Let's
get rid of them too!" Campaign on Animal Defense League's website,
September 2, 2003.

"I'm not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having
children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog;
it is nothing but vanity, human vanity." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's
founder and president, New Yorker magazine, April 23, 2003

"Our goal is to make [the public think of] breeding [dogs and cats]
like drunk driving and smoking." Kim Sturla, former director of the
Peninsula Humane Society and Western Director of Fund for Animals,
stated during Kill the Crisis, not the Animals campaign and workshops,
1991

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or
to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy
inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it
with their own kind," Ingrid Newkirk, founder, president and former
national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA),
Animals, May/June 1993

"My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture." JP Goodwin,
employed at the Humane Society of the US, formerly at Coalition to
Abolish the Fur Trade, as quoted on AR-Views, an animal rights
Internet discussion group in 1996.

Animal Equality and Anti-Humanity

"Surely there will be some nonhuman animals whose lives, by any
standards, are more valuable than the lives of some humans." Peter
Singer, Animal Liberation: A New Ethic for Our Treatment of Animals,
2nd ed. (New York: New York Review of Books, 1990), p. 19.

"Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion
broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses." Ingrid
Newkirk, founder, president and former national director, People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals, as quoted in Chip Brown, "She's A
Portrait of Zealotry in Plastic Shoes," Washington Post, November 13,
1983, p. B10.

"Deep down, I truly hope that oppression, torture and murder return to
each uncaring human tenfold! I hope that fathers accidentally shoot
their sons on hunting excursions, while carnivores suffer heart
attacks that kill them slowly. Every women ensconced in fur should
endure a rape so vicious that it scars them forever. While every man
entrenched in fur should suffer an anal raping so horrific that they
become disemboweled. Every rodeo cowboy and matador should be gored to
death, while circus abusers are trampled by elephants and mauled by
tigers. And, lastly, may irony shine its esoteric head in the form of
animal researchers catching debilitating diseases and painfully
withering away because research dollars that could have been used to
treat them was wasted on the barbaric, unscientific practice of
vivisection." Gary Yourofsky in an interview on The Abolitionist -
Online, 2005

"Humans are exploiters and destroyers, self-appointed world autocrats
around whom the universe seems to revolve." Sydney Singer, director,
the Good Shepherd Foundation, "The Neediest of All Animals," The
Animals Agenda, Vol. 10, No. 5 (June 1990), p. 50.

"If you haven't given voluntary human extinction much thought before,
the idea of a world with no people in it may seem strange. But, if you
give it a chance, I think you might agree that the extinction of Homo
Sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of Earth-
dwelling species ... Phasing out the human race will solve every
problem on earth, social and environmental." "Les U.
Knight" (pseudonym), "Voluntary Human Extinction," Wild Earth, Vol. 1,
No. 2, (Summer 1991), p. 72.

"We feel that animals have the same rights as retarded human nchild
because they are equal mentally in terms of dependence on others."
Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA, New York Times, January 14, 1989.

"If enough people are determined to stand up to an issue, you know
what? It's gonna get solved. Saying that human concerns outweigh
animal concerns is just more bullshit." Chris DeRose, Last Chance for
Animals: SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey, November 30, 2002

"Man is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish, and unethical animal
on earth." Michael W. Fox, Scientific Director and former Vice
President, Humane Society of the United States, as quoted in Robert
James Bidinotto"
"Torturing a human being is almost always wrong, but it is not
absolutely wrong." Peter Singer, as quoted in Josephine Donovan
"Animal Rights and Feminist Theory," Signs: Journal of Women in
Culture and Society, Winter 1990, p. 357.

"The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal
consideration." Michael W. Fox, Scientific Director and former Vice
President, The Humane Society of the United States, The Inhumane
Society, New York, 1990
"Back to the Pleistocene!" --Earth First! slogan, as quoted by
Virginia I. Postrel, "The Green Road to Serfdom," Reason, April 1990,
p. 24.

"I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don't
have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would
rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake
stuff again but at least I wouldn't be harming anything." Ingrid
Newkirk, founder, president and former national director, People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), as quoted in Chip Brown,
"She's a Portrait of Zealotry in Plastic Shoes," Washington Post,
November 13, 1983, p. B10.

"What could be the basis of our having more inherent value than
animals? Their lack of reason, or autonomy, or intellect? Only if we
are willing to make the same judgment in the case of humans who are
similarly deficient." Tom Regan, "The Case for Animal Rights," In
Defense of Animals, Peter Singer, ed. (Oxford: Blackwell, 1985), p.
23.
Audience member: "If you were aboard a lifeboat with a baby and a dog,
and the boat capsized, would you rescue the baby or the dog?" Regan,
"If it were a retarded baby and a bright dog, I'd save the dog." Tom
Regan, "Animal Rights, Human Wrongs," speech given at University of
Wisconsin, Madison, October 27, 1989.

"A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and
president, Washingtonian Magazine, August 1986

"If it were a child and a dog I wouldn't know for sure... I might
choose the human baby or I might choose the dog." Susan Rich, outreach
coordinator, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), on
the Steve Kane Show, WIOD-AM radio, Miami, Florida, February 23, 1989.

"If an animal researcher said, "Its a dog or a child,' a liberator
will defend the dog every time." "Screaming Wolf" (pseudonym), A
Declaration of War: Killing People to Save Animals and the Environment
(Grass Valley, California: Patrick Henry Press, 1991), p. 14.

"What we must do is start viewing every cow, pig, chicken, monkey,
rabbit, mouse, and pigeon as our family members." Gary Yourofsky,
Humane Education Director, PETA, The Toledo Blade, June 24, 2001
[Expressing opposition to use of bug sprays] "Only a few of the
million you kill would have bitten you." Dr. Michael Fox, Scientific
Director and former Vice President of Humane Society of the US (HSUS),
Returning to Eden, Fox publication

"Humans have grown like a cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face
of the earth." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder, president and former
national director, Readers Digest, June 1990

Biomedical Research

"To those people who say, `My father is alive because of animal
experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so
your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of
trade off." Bill Maher, PETA celebrity spokesman

"If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any
difference to me." Chris DeRose, director, Last Chance for Animals, as
quoted in Elizabeth Venant and David Treadwell, "Biting Back," Los
Angeles Times, April 12, 1990, p. E12.

"I don't approve of the use of animals for any purpose that involves
touching them - caging them." Dr. Neal Barnard, president, Physician's
Committee for Responsible Medicine(PCRM), The Daily Californian
(February 9, 1989) quoting Bernard's address to an audience at
International House (Berkeley).

"An [animal] experiment cannot be justifiable unless the experiment is
so important that the use of a brain-damaged human would be
justifiable." Peter Singer, Animal Liberation: A New Ethic for Our
Treatment of Animals, 2nd ed. (New York Review of Books, 1990), p. 85.

"Even if animal tests produced a cure [for AIDS], 'we'd be against
it.'" --Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals (PeTA), as quoted in Fred Barnes, "Politics,"
Vogue, September 1989, p. 542.

"I do not believe that it could never be justifiable to experiment on
a brain-damaged human." Peter Singer, Animal Liberation: A New Ethic
for Our Treatment of Animals, 2nd ed. (New York: New York Review of
Books, 1990), p. 85.

"There could conceivably be circumstances in which an experiment on an
animal stands to reduce suffering so much that it would be permissible
to carry it out even if it involved harm to the animal... [even if]
the animal were a human being." Peter Singer, Animal Liberation: A New
Ethic for Our Treatment of Animals, 2nd ed. (New York: New York Review
of Books, 1990), p. 85

"I would not knowingly have an animal hurt for me, or my children, or
anything else." Cleveland Armory, founder, Fund for Animals (Larry
King Show, October 29, 1987).

"In appropriate circumstances we are justified in using humans to
achieve goals (or the goal of assisting animals)." Peter Singer, in
Behavioral and Brain Sciences (1990, Volume 3,), p. 46.

"If it [abolition of animal research] means there are some things we
cannot learn, then so be it. We have no basic right not to be harmed
by those natural diseases we are heir to." Tom Regan, as quoted in
David T. Hardy, "America's New Extremists: What You Need to Know About
the Animal Rights Movement." (Washington, DC: Washington Legal
Foundation, 1990), p. 8.

"If natural healing is not possible, given the energy of the
environment, it may be right for that being to change form. Some
people call this death." --Sydney Singer, director, Good Shepherd
Foundation, The Earth Religion (Grass Valley, California: ABACE
Publications, 1991), p. 52.

"Animal experiments occupy a central place in the material and
spiritual edifice of our whole civilization. We are speaking here of
one of those foundation stones whose removal could cause the whole
house to collapse." Rudolph Bahro, Building the Green Movement, trans.
Mary Tyler (London: GMP, 1986) p. 203.

" Medical research is "immoral even it it's essential." Ingrid
Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, Washington Post, May 30, 1989

"If my father had a heart attack, it would give me no solace at all to
know his treatment was first tried on a dog," Ingrid Newkirk, founder,
president and former national director for People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals, (PeTA), Washington Post, Nov. 13, 1983.

"Even granting that we [humans] face greater harm than laboratory
animals presently endure if ... research on these animals is stopped,
the animal rights view will not be satisfied with anything less than
total abolition." Tom Regan, The Case for Animal Rights, 1983

"Even painless research is fascism, supremacism." Ingrid Newkirk,
PeTA's founder and president, Washington Magazine, August 1986

Opposition to Hunting and Fishing

"The entire animal rights movement in the United States reacted with
unfettered glee at the Ban in England ...We view this act of
parliament as one of the most important actions in the history of the
animal rights movement.  This will energise our efforts to stop
hunting with hounds." Wayne Pacelle, CEO, Humane Society of the US
(HSUS), London Times, December 26, 2004

"If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would." Wayne
Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of the US (HSUS), formerly of
Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, Associated Press, Dec 30,
1991

"Until your daddy learns that it's not "fun' to kill, keep your
doggies and kitties away from him. He's so hooked on killing
defenseless animals that they could be next!''  PETA flyer quoted in
the Asbury Park Press, September 23, 2005

"Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock
fighting and dog fighting." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of
the US (HSUS), formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals,
(Bozeman (MT) Daily Chronicle, October 8, 1991

"We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop
all hunting in the United States ... We will take it species by
species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take
it state by state. Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of the US
(HSUS), formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, Full Cry
Magazine, October 1, 1990.

"The definition of obscenity on the newsstands should be extended to
many hunting magazines." Wayne Pacelle, quoted in Bloodties: Nature,
Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 265.

Opposition to Meat Eating

"Meat stinks!" People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals slogan, as
quoted in Joe Vansickle, "Playing Catch-Up," Beef, March 1991, p. 34.

"Meat consumption is just as dangerous to public health as tobacco
use . It's time we looked into holding the meat producers and fast-
food outlets legally accountable." Neal Barnard, President of
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) and PeTA's
Medical Advisor, PETA, PCRM press release, "Physicians Advise Feds to
Go After 'Big Meat' Next", September 23, 1999.

"There is so much blood on this chicken-killer's hands, a little more
on his business suit won't hurt." Bruce Friedrich, PETA Director of
Vegan Outreach, PETA news release, June 23, 2003.

"Everyone who agrees unnecessary animal suffering should be ended must
eat no animal food products." David J. Cantor, Farm Sanctuary
Investigator: Letter to the Editor, Kansas City Star, complaining
about a reporter who refused to give up eating meat, December 11, 2000

"The good news, and what is really going to help immensely, is the
Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) just passed their vegan
policy. They are seen as the mothering organization for the SPCAs,
shelters and animal control agencies. And the fact that they have
adopted a vegan policy may just be the major breakthrough to bring
others along. All HSUS expos, trainings, conferences will be vegan. "
Kim Sturla, in SATYA Magazine, Nov-Dec 2004  (http://www.satyamag.com/
nov04/sturla.html)

"Eating meat is primitive, barbaric, and arrogant." Ingrid Newkirk,
founder, president and former national director, People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), as quoted in Charles Griswold,
Jr., "Q&A," Washington City Paper, December 20, 1985, p. 44.

"If beef is your idea of 'real food for real people,' you'd better
live real close to a real good hospital." Neal Barnard, President,
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), and PeTA's
Medical Advisor,The Buffalo News, December 1, 1995

"Serving a burger to your family today, knowing what we know,
constitutes child abuse. You might as well give them weed killer."
Toni Vernelli European Campaign Director, PETA, PETA Europe news
release, "Meat Expo Declared A 'Danger Zone' By Vegetarians: PETA
Targets Smithfield 2000" November 27, 2000

"My dream is that people will come to view eating an animal as
cannibalism." Henry Spira, director, Animal Rights International, as
quoted in Barnaby J. Feder, "Pressuring Purdue," New York Times
Magazine, November 26, 1989, p. 192.

"To give a child animal products is a form of child abuse." Neal
Barnard, Medical Advisor, PETA, from Bernard's book, Food For Life
"If an animal has any rights at all, it's got the right not to be
eaten." Gary Francione, speech, University of Minnesota Law School,
November 6, 1991.

"Do you know that fat little guy from Seinfeld? He has become the main
pitchman for KFC, Jason Alexander. And beginning in May he is going to
star in the West Coast production of 'The Producers.' It's made for
us. We can be slamming him as the play opens. If we do this properly,
he will wish he never saw a chicken." Dan Matthews, Director of Media
Relations, PETA: The New Yorker, April 14, 2003

On Free Press

"We are complete press sluts." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's president and
founder, The New Yorker, April 14, 2003

"Probably everything we do is a publicity stunt ... we are not here to
gather members, to please, to placate, to make friends. We're here to
hold the radical line." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's president and founder,
USA Today, September 3, 1991

Animal Welfare vs. Animal Rights

"The theory of animal rights simply is not consistent with the theory
of animal welfare... Animal rights means dramatic social changes for
humans and non-humans alike; if our bourgeois values prevent us from
accepting those changes, then we have no right to call ourselves
advocates of animal rights." Gary Francione, The Animals' Voice, Vol.
4, No. 2 (undated), pp. 54-55.

"Humane care (of animals) is simply sentimental, sympathetic
patronage." Dr. Michael W. Fox, Humane Society of the US, in 1988
Newsweek interview

"Yes, abolition is the ideal."  Kim Sturla, in SATYA Magazine Oct
2006  (http://www.satyamag.com/oct06/sturla.html)

"I find that as I get older I seem to become more of a Luddite... And
hearing animal experimenters describe me as a Luddite--which used to
think I was not. And now I think Ned Lud had the right idea and we
should have stopped all the machinery way back when, and learned to
live simple lives." Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), speech at Loyola University,
October 24, 1988.

"Not only are the philosophies of animal rights and animal welfare
separated by irreconcilable differences... the enactment of animal
welfare measures actually impedes the achievement of animal rights...
Welfare reforms, by their very nature, can only serve to retard the
pace at which animal rights goals are achieved." Gary Francione and
Tom Regan, "A Movement's Means Create Its Ends," The Animals' Agenda,
January/February 1992, pp. 40-42.

"I despise 'animal welfare.' That's like saying, 'Let's beat the
slaves three times a week instead of five times a week'." Gary
Yourofsky, founder, Animals Deserve Adequate Protection Today and
Tomorrow (ADAPTT), PeTA's national lecturer, quoted in "As Threats of
Violence Escalate, Primate Researchers stand Firm", Chronicle of
Higher Education, Washington, DC, November 12, 1999

"The major success of this decade [the 1980s] has been the
reapplication of the concept of rights in the human population to
nonhuman species." John Kullberg, president, American Society for the
Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, as quoted in Charles Oliver,
"Liberation Zoology," Reason, 22, No. 2 (June 1990), p. 24.

"As long as humans have rights and non-humans do not, as is the case
in the welfarist framework, then non-humans will virtually always lose
when their interests conflict with human interests. Thus welfare
reforms, by their very nature, can only serve to retard the pace at
which animal rights goals are achieved." Francione & Regan, "A
Movement's Means Create Its Ends," Animals' Agenda, Jan.-Feb., 1992

"...the animal rights movement is not concerned about species
extinction. An elephant is no more or less important than a cow, just
as a dolphin is no more important than a tuna...In fact, many animal
rights advocates would argue that it is better for the chimpanzee to
become extinct than to be exploited continually in laboratories, zoos
and circuses." Barbara Biel, The Animals' Agenda, Vol 15 #3.

"It's not about loving animals. It's about fighting injustice. My
whole goal is for humans to have as little contact as possible with
animals." Gary Yourofsky, founder of Animals Deserve Adequate
Protection Today and Tomorrow (ADAPTT), now employed as PeTA's
national lecturer
"We're looking for good lawsuits that will establish the interests of
animals as a legitimate area of concern in law." Ingrid Newkirk,
PeTA's founder and president, Insight on the News. July 17, 2000

"We are not especially 'interested in' animals. Neither of us had ever
been inordinately fond of dogs, cats, or horses in the way that many
people are. We didn't 'love' animals." Peter Singer, Animal
Liberation: A New Ethic for Our Treatment of Animals, 2nd ed. (New
York Review of Books, 1990), Preface, p. ii.

On Forming Political Alliances

"We would be foolish and silly not to unite with people in the public
health sector, the environmental community, [and] unions, to try to
challenge corporate agriculture." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane
Society of the US, formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for
Animals, at the Animal Rights 2002" Convention, July 1, 2002.

"Once we get three more directors elected, the Sierra Club will no
longer be pro-hunting and pro-trapping and we can use the resources of
the $95-million-a-year budget to address some of these issues." Paul
Watson, Founder, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, NY Times, March
16, 2004

"If we are not able to bring the churches, the synagogues, [and] the
mosques around to the animal rights view, we will never make large-
scale progress for animal rights in the United States." Norm Phelps,
Program Director, Fund for Animals: "Animal Rights 2002" convention,
July 2, 2002.

Criminal Acts and Terrorism

"We are not terrorists, but we are a threat. We are a threat both
economically and philosophically. Our power is not in the right to
vote but the power to stop production. We will break the law and
destroy property until we win." Dr. Steven Best, speaking at
International Animal Rights Gathering 2005. The Telegram (UK) July 17,
2005.

"Given the choice of apathy or someone liberating mink, burning down a
research torture-laboratory, or killing a vivisectionist or other
DIRECT murderer of animals, I will choose the aforesaid actions over
apathy any day of the week....since violence is an essential part of
activism, even if an abuser of animals perished during a fire or other
form of direct action, I would unequivocally support that, too. Gary
Yourofsky, in an article he wrote, quoted in "Animal Rights Extremism
Meets Academia" by Jacob Laskin, April 19, 2007.

"Here's a little model I'm going to show you here. I didn't have any
incense, but -- this is a crude incendiary device. It is a simple
plastic jug, which you fill with gasoline and oil. You put in a
sponge, which is soaked also in flammable liquid -- I couldn't find an
incense stick, but this represents that. You put the incense stick in
here, light it, place it -- underneath the 'weapon of mass
destruction,' light the incense stick - sandalwood works nice -- and
you destroy the profits that are brought about through animal and
earth abuse. That's about -- two dollars. " Rodney Coronado, animal
rights felon for the 1992 Michigan State University fireboming, and
recipient of PeTA funds, speaking at "National conference on Organized
Resistance, American University, Washington DC, January 26, 2003.
Note: Coronado pled guilty to the charges stemming from the 1992 MSU
arson case but even so, PeTA donated $45,200 to the Coronado Support
Committee in 1995. During the previous year, while Coronado was still
on the loose and living underground, PeTA granted a loan (not yet
repaid) to Coronado's father for $25,000.

"If someone is killing, on a regular basis, thousands of animals, and
if that person can only be stopped in one way by the use of violence,
then it is certainly a morally justifiable solution." Jerry Vlasak,
spokesman for Animal Defense League, Penn & Teller Bullsh*t, April 1,
2004

"It is dangerous to engage in even the most innocuous-seeming
discourse with the FBI/ Homeland Security/ a local detective." Ingrid
Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, Letter to activists posted on
Yahoo, March 17, 2003

"So-called activists who talk to the police disgust me, and I think
one of the major reasons the animal liberation movement has not made
more significant gains is because many activists do not understand the
evolutionary nature of this movement. We're fighting a major war,
defending animals and our very planet from human greed and
destruction. There is no room for collaborators." David Barbarash,
Spokesperson for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) No Compromise, the
journal of the Animal Liberation Front

"There are about 2,000 people prepared at any one time to take action
for us ... The children [of targeted scientists and executives] are
enjoying a lifestyle built on the blood and abuse of innocent animals.
Why should they be allowed to close the door on that and sit down and
watch TV and enjoy themselves when animals are suffering and dying
because of the actions of the family breadwinner? They are a
justifiable target for protest." Robin Webb, ALF leader, Sunday Herald
( Scotland) Sept. 19, 2004

"KFC has no excuse for refusing to adopt these basic, minimal animal-
welfare standards ... After two years of fruitless negotiations with
the company, we're trying a more personal approach." Bruce Friedrich,
PETA Director quoted in August 19, 2003 PeTA press release announcing
PeTA's intent to dispatch activists to Louisville, KFC's headquarters,
to interact with the community, churches, institutions, neighbors of
KFC's president, and CEO, etc., in order to get KFC to submit to
PeTA's demands.

"When you're a 20-something grassroots activist, and you're deciding
how to spend your time and money to make a difference, it makes a lot
of sense to cause a million in damage with just $100 of investment.
That's a better return than any other form of activism I've been
involved in." Rodney Coronado, LA Weekly, August 29, 2003.

"It won't ruin our movement if someone gets killed in an animal rights
action. It's going to happen sooner or later. The Animal Liberation
Front, the Earth Liberation Front -- sooner or later there's going to
be someone getting hurt. And we have to accept that fact. It's going
to happen. It's not going to hurt our movement. Our movement will go
on. And it's important that we not let the bully pulpit of the FBI and
the other oppression agencies stop us from what we're doing. They are
the violent ones. They are the terrorists ... we have to keep doing
what we're doing." Jerry Vlasak, PCRM spokesman and Director of ADL,
speaking at the Animal Rights 2004 convention (July 8-11).
"Getting arrested is fun." Dan Mathews, PeTA's director of
international campaigns quoted in Orange County Weekly (CA), July 25 -
31, 2003.

"In England we do have some problems with legislation that prevents us
from buying certain products, but over here you don't have the same
excuse. You've heard [Black Panther leader] Mr. [Bobby] Seale: you're
allowed to bear arms. Why are you here now listening to me? You can go
out and get animal liberation! Robin Webb, British Animal Rights
Terrorist, speaking at a Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC) rally,
Edison, New Jersey, November 30, 2002

"I think violence is part of the struggle against oppression. If
something bad happens to these people [animal researchers], it will
discourage others. It is inevitable that violence will be used in the
struggle and that it will be effective." Jerry Vlasak, The Observer,
July 25, 2004

"Whether or not the public regards . . . direct action as fringe or as
extremist or terroristic or whatever label they want to put on it,
doesn't really matter to us because the public at large is apathetic
and is going to sit on its a.s regardless of whether it agrees with us
or not," Kevin Kjonaas, National Director, Stop Huntingdon Animal
Cruelty USA (SHAC USA); spokesperson, Animal Defense League; New York
organizer, Viva! USA; quoted in Animal rights advocates clash with U.
Minnesota researchers. Dylan Thomas, Minnesota Daily, University of
Minnesota, November 11, 2002.

"Every time a police agency pepper-sprays or uses pain-compliance
holds against our people, their cars should burn." Rodney Coronado,
convicted felon in the 1992 Michigan State University firebombing and
beneficiary of PeTA funds, "Conference on Organized Resistance,"
American University, January 26, 2003

""I don't think you'd have to kill -- assassinate -- too many ... I
think for 5 lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million,
2 million, 10 million non-human lives." Jerry Vlasak, Animal Rights
2003 Convention, June, 2003

"Hit them in their personal lives, visit their homes . Actively target
U.S. military establishments within the United States... strike hard
and fast and retreat in anonymity. Select another location, strike
again hard and fast and quickly retreat in anonymity ... Do not get
caught. DO NOT GET CAUGHT. Do not get sent to jail. Stay alert, keep
active, and keep fighting." Craig Rosenbraugh, radical animal rights
spokesperson for terrorism and a recipient of PeTA funds, in Open
letter to activists, published on the Independent Media Center
website, March 17, 2003

"Today's terrorist is tomorrow's freedom fighter." Kevin Kjonaas,
National Director and spokesperson, Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA
(SHAC USA) Animal Rights 2002 Convention, June 30, 2002

"[Grocers who sell veal] have no idea what's coming . If they have me
arrested, that's good for me, [and] bad for them. We have 75,000
members of our club who aren't going to like it". Dee Crenshaw,
Organizer. Farm Sanctuary, Alexandria (LA) Daily Town Talk, March 18,
2001

"Sometimes breaking the law, and sometimes pushing the boundaries of
what's told to us is . what is right and wrong, doesn't matter. And it
comes down to questioning what is effective and what is not
effective." Kevin Kjonaas, Spokesperson and National Director for Stop
Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA (SHAC USA), speaking at "Animal Rights
2002" convention, June 30, 2002

"I will be the last person to condemn ALF [the Animal Liberation
Front]." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's president and founder, The New York
Daily News, December 7, 1997

"If an 'animal abuser' were killed in a research lab firebombing, I
would unequivocally support that, too." Gary Yourofsky, founder of
Animals Deserve Adequate Protection Today and Tomorrow (ADAPTT), now
employed as PeTA's national lecturer

"Bank executives have had their yachts sunk behind their houses. Cars
have been blown up; windows have been smashed; offices have been
stormed. We're tired of yelling at buildings -- no one cares. We're
tired of yelling at executives while they're in those buildings, and
allowing them to go home and forget about us who are out there that
afternoon -- we're going to their homes. We're doing what's effective.
We're shutting this company down." Lauren James, Organizer,
"Conference on Organized Resistance," American University, January 26,
2003

"I am convinced that we can shut down a lot of these animal abuse
industries whether the public agrees with it or not. And whether these
industries are shut down by violent or non-violent acts in the end, to
me, doesn't really matter. David Barbarash, Spokesperson for the
Animal Liberation Front (ALF) No Compromise, BBC Documentary, "Beastly
Business" (October 1, 2000)

"We encourage others to find a local Earth raper and make them pay for
the damages they are inflicting on our communities... Furriers, meat
packers, bosses, developers, rich industry leaders are all Earth
rapers . We must inflict economic sabotage on all Earth rapers." Craig
Rosenbraugh, recipient of PETA funds, Spokesperson for Earth
Liberation Front (ELF) statement, August 1, 1999

"A burning building doesn't help melt people's hearts, but times
change and tactics, I'm sure, have to change with them. If you choose
to carry out ALF-style actions, I ask you to please not say more than
you need to, to think carefully who you trust, to learn all you can
about how to behave if arrested, and so to try to live to fight
another day." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, Interview
in ALF quarterly Bite Back, February, 2003

"Why should any one of us feel that 'it shouldn't be me taking that
brick and chucking it through that window? Why shouldn't I be going to
that fur farm down the road and opening up those cages?' It's not
hard; it doesn't take a rocket scientist. You don't need a 4-year
degree to call in a bomb hoax. These are easy things, and they're
things that save animals: And so I want all of you in this room to, A)
Question not just what is right and wrong, but what is effective, And
B) why can't all of us be doing it? I think the animal rights movement
is strong - that's my opinion. [But] it's time to start flexing our
muscles." Kevin Kjonaas, Spokesperson and National Director, Stop
Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA (SHAC USA) "Animal Rights 2002"
convention, June 30, 2002

"In light of the events on September 11, my country has told me that I
should not cooperate with terrorists. I therefore am refusing to
cooperate with members of Congress who are some of the most extreme
terrorists in history." Craig Rosebraugh, animal rights radical,
spokesperson for animal and earth related crimes and recipient of PETA
funds, statement following Rosebraugh's subpoena to testify before a
Congressional subcommittee on eco-terrorism, November 1, 2001

"The employees. are not good people, and do not deserve to enjoy the
Holiday season. Let's make this one so stressful, they won't be able
to balance their hot cider between shaking hands." E-mail message from
(SHAC) Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty dated December 15, 2002

"If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from
pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we're going to be, as
a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows ... I think it's a
great way to bring about animal liberation ... I think it would be
great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these
laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think
it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them
through the windows. ... Hallelujah to the people who are willing to
do it." Bruce Friedrich, PeTA's director of Vegan Outreach, Animal
Rights Conference, 2001

"Huntingdon Life Sciences is going to close. You can't close it with
those evil riot police there, but they're not always here! It's not
always daylight ... Come here when it's dark, when there's no moon,
with people you can trust! There are individuals in there who need you
to do that! But when you get them out, don't leave the equipment or
the building standing either! Smash it! Smash it! Smash it once and
for all!" Robin Webb, British Animal Rights Terrorist, speaking at a
Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC) rally, East Millstone, New
Jersey, outside a medical research facility, December 1, 2002

"I think [food producers] should appreciate that we're only targeting
their property. Because frankly I think it's time to start targeting
them." Rodney Coronado, convicted felon for the 1992 firebombing of
Michigan State University research facility (57 months in federal
prison, 3 years probation), speaking at the "Conference on Organized
Resistance," American University, January 26, 2003.

"Believe me, you don't have to worry about prison. I've been there --
it's a doggle. You can put your feet up and recharge your batteries,
and go back out there when you're released and start all over again.
You can go to education to read up. I mean someone, someone actually
read up on electronics while they were in prison, and went out and
started doing electronic incendiary devices. Use your time inside to
teach yourself!" Robin Webb, British Spokesperson for Animal Rights
Terrorism, speaking at SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey, November 30,
2002

"We're a new breed of activism. We're not your parents' Humane
Society. We're not Friends of Animals. We're not EarthSave. We're not
Greenpeace. We come with a new philosophy. We hold the radical line.
We will not compromise! We will not apologize, and we will not
relent! ... Vivisection is not an abstract concept. It's a deed, done
by individuals, who have weaknesses, who have breaking points, and who
have home addresses!" Kevin Kjonaas, animal extremist and National
Leader-spokesperson for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA, (SHAC-USA)
rally, East Millstone, New Jersey, outside a medical research
facility, December 1, 2002

"Although fish and chip shops haven't been targeted before so far as I
can remember, they would be considered legitimate targets." Robin
Webb, UK Spokesperson for animal rights terrorism, The UK Guardian
December 12, 2001

"Our philosophy is to go for one company at a time, and go for its
finances. If we had gone down and protested outside HLS every day for
the last five years we would have got nowhere,"  Greg Avery, SHAC, BBC
Online, October 5, 2004

"The $10,000 microscope was destroyed in about 10 seconds with a steel
wrecking bar we purchased ... for less than $5. We consider that a
pretty good return on our investment." ALF memo about destruction of
lab at U. of Oregon Oct. 1986
If a car being blown up in a driveway or animals being liberated from
a lab scares them, then I would say that fear pales by comparison to
the fear that the animals have every day. The kind of true violence
that these animals endure at the hands of people at Huntingdon leaves
me with little sympathy. Kevin Kjonaas, National Director and
spokesperson, Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA, (SHAC USA);
spokesperson, Animal Defense League; New York organizer, Viva! USA; as
quoted in A harsh animal-rights campaign targets NJ firm, workers.
Chris Mondics, The Philadelphia Inquirer, July 14, 2002.

"Throughout the late '80s, me and a handful of friends just like you
people here, we started to break windows, we started to slash tires,
we started to rescue animals from factory farms and vivisection
breeders, and we graduated to breaking into laboratories . As long as
we emptied the labs of animals, they were still easily replaced. So
that's when the ALF in this country, and my cell, started engaging in
arson." Rodney Coronado, convicted felon for 1992 Michigan State
University firebombing and PeTA funds beneficiary, speaking at SHAC
rally, Edison, New Jersey, November 30, 2002

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable
crimes' when used for the animal cause." Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA

"As a direct-action warrior, it made a lot of sense to me to attack
institutions in the fur trade . we need to destroy them by any means
necessary." Rodney Coronado, convicted felon of 1992 Michigan State
University firebombing and beneficiary of PeTA funds, "Conference on
Organized Resistance," American University, January 26, 2003

"Last night in San Diego a bunch of townhouses were burned down, and
reporters from two corporate TV stations just asked me, 'What good
does that do your movement?'... If that hadn't happened, you wouldn't
be here tonight. People willing to risk their lives to protect the
environment by destroying buildings built on the habitat of endangered
species make people take notice... Fire is a very sacred power, one of
the key elements of our planet...We use fire to cleanse ourselves, and
when we address buildings and institutions that have no other purpose
but to destroy life, fire is the only way to stop them. When people
ask if someday someone might get hurt by one of our actions, I ask
them why they don't get so concerned about the people who are killing
animals for a living. That is what the terrorism in this society is.
Destroying property to protect life is the most sacred thing we can
do." Rod Coronado, Earth Liberationist, convicted arsonist in 1992
Michigan State University firebombing and beneficiary of PeTA funds,
speaking "Revolution Summer" in Hillcrest, CA (a suburb of San Diego),
August 1, 2003, the day a $50 million fire credited to the Earth
Liberation Front torched an apartment construction project, Zenger's
Newsmagazine, 2003.

" [behind every corporation] there are people who have homes and
liability and privacy issues." Kevin Kjonaas, (SHAC) Stop Huntingdon
Animal Cruelty leader and spokesperson, quoted in the Mercury News,
San Jose, California, May 10, 2003

"We have a 100 per cent success rate. Whoever we choose to target is
finished." Heather James, SHAC co-leader , London Evening Standard,
March 29, 2004

"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals
out or burn them down." Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National
Animal Rights Convention June 27, 1997

"Property destruction is a legitimate political tool called economic
sabotage, and it's meant to attack businesses and corporations." David
Barbarash, Spokesperson for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), NPR
radio show, "The Connection" January 7, 2002

"It doesn't matter if there are people in there. They're irrelevant!
It doesn't matter about the police. They're irrelevant! It doesn't
matter about the high fences. They're irrelevant! It doesn't matter
about the doors. They're irrelevant! It doesn't matter about the
locks. They're irrelevant! What matters is our brothers and sisters in
there. Smash everything when the cops aren't here! Get them
out!" ."We'll sweep the police aside. We'll sweep the government
aside. We'll sweep Huntingdon Life Sciences aside, and we'll raze this
evil place right to the ground!" Robin Webb, British Animal Rights
Terrorist, Speaking at Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, (SHAC) rally,
East Millstone, New Jersey, outside a medical research facility,
December 1, 2002

"If that means going onto their farms, releasing their animals and
burning the place to the ground, that's morally justifiable, in our
opinion...There were always innocent people who got hurt somewhere along
the way but it was important that those who oppressed one group of
people be stopped, and we don't see the animal liberation struggle
being substantially different from these [apartheid and slavery] other
struggles.... A sustained campaign against a particular industry or a
particular organization has the potential to be quite effective."
Jerry Vlasak, in response to indictments of 11 ALF/ELF arsonists. AP,
January 20, 2006.

"It's time for the animal rights movement to take this [fur] industry
and drive the final nail into the coffin by whatever means it takes.
If that means being outside the executives houses, if that means
blockading their doors, whatever it takes." John 'J.P.' Goodwin,
Humane Society of the US Campaign Director, former executive director
of the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade, in speech at the World
Congress for Animals, June 20, 1996

"Physically shut down financial centers . Using any means necessary,
shut down the national networks of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. Not just
occupations but actually engage in strategies and tactics which knock
the networks off the air . Spread the battle to the ... very heads of
government and U.S. corporations ... "When you see the loss of 9
billion [animal] lives each year, it's inappropriate to hold a sign or
pass out a petition. It's appropriate to go out and burn down the
factory farm." Joshua Harper, recipient of PETA funds, The Seattle
Post-Intelligencer, June 18, 2001

"Damaging the enemy financially is fair game." Alex Pacheco, animal
rights radical, PeTA co-founder and one of its original 3 board
members, Washington City Paper, December 18, 1987

"Animal liberation, of which the anti-vivisection movement is a part,
animal liberation is not a campaign. It is not a struggle. It is a
war! It is an all-out bloody war, in which the countless hundreds of
millions of casualties have, so far, all been on one side. How can we
allow that to continue?" Robin Webb, British spokesperson for animal
rights terrorism, speaking at SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey, November
30, 2002

"Would I rather the research lab that tests animals is reduced to a
bunch of cinders? Yes." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's president and founder,
New York Daily News, December 7, 1997

"A lot of people think that -- Oh my god, that's going too far, you
know. People can support bringing animals out of labs, but they can't
support arson. Well, I'm sorry. I'm not here to, to please people. I'm
not here to win the support of people. I'm here to represent my animal
relations who are suffering this very second. And I don't care what
anybody says about what I do to achieve their freedom." Rodney
Coronado, convicted felon for 1992 Michigan State University
firebombing and PeTA beneficiary, speaking at SHAC rally, Edison, New
Jersey, November 30, 2002

"[I see] a spark of hope in every broken window, every torched police
car." Joshua Harper, recipient of PeTA funds,The Seattle Post-
Intelligencer, June 18, 2001

"Get arrested. Destroy the property of those who torture animals.
Liberate those animals interned in the hellholes our society
tolerates." Jerry Vlasak, Animal Defense League, Internet post to AR
Views list, June 21, 1996

"Perhaps the mere idea of receiving a nasty missive will allow animal
researchers to empathize with their victims for the first time in
their lousy careers. I find it small wonder that the laboratories
aren't all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I'd light a
match." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA founder and president, The Chronicle of
Higher Education November 12, 1999

"I would be overjoyed when the first scientist is killed by a
liberation activist." Vivien Smith, Former ALF Spokesperson, USA
Today, September 3, 1991

"Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years
and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works." Ingrid
Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, US News and World Report, April
8, 2002

"Setting fire to the feed truck falls within the work they [the ALF]
do. It was most likely done in an effort to cause the most damage
possible to the farm without hurting anyone or any animals. What these
farmers do to chickens is terrorism -- what we do is not." David
Barbarash, Associated Press story filed after the arson of a poultry
truck in Indiana caused $100,000 in damage, July 3, 2000

"Getting together three or four friends of mine, we came back a week
later to that farm, we broke into the main laboratory, we trashed
every single piece of equipment, we stole documents and lists of fur
farms across the nation. And we started a fire in an experimental fur
farm, an experimental feed building, where they manufactured the
experimental diets which were the focus of research at this farm. And
that fire destroyed all the equipment, and in the ensuing raid, the
raid that happened caused enough damage that six months later that lab
was forced to shut down. That was five people, folks -- once again
maybe like twelve hundred dollars, a couple weeks of planning, five
people. But that wasn't the end. I knew I had to continue, and for the
next -- oh gosh, a little over a year -- we took out, one by one,
every recipient of what's called the Mink Farmers Research Foundation.
It's a foundation whose sole purpose is to aid research to benefit the
fur farm industry." Rodney Coronado, convicted felon for 1992 Michigan
State University firebombing and PeTA funds beneficiary, speaking at
SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey, November 30, 2002

" I openly hope that it [hoof-and-mouth disease] comes here. It will
bring economic harm only for those who profit from giving people heart
attacks and giving animals a concentration camp-like existence. It
would be good for animals, good for human health and good for the
environment. Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA founder and president, ABC News
interview April 2, 2001

"We have found that civil disobedience and direct action has been
powerful in generating massive attention in our communities ... and
has been very effective in traumatizing our targets." JP Goodwin,
Committee to Abolish the Fur Trade, National Animal Rights Convention
'97, June 27, 1997, now employed by the Humane Society of the United
States

"I know it's illegal [trespassing], but I don't think it's wrong,"
Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, Montgomery County, Md.
Journal, Feb. 16, 1988

"More than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed --
um, let's see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University's Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did
get seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice . We burned
down a fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We
went to the Michigan State University's experimental fur farm program
and destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again,
and rescued two mink from there." Rodney Coronado, convicted felon for
1992 firebombing of a research facility at Michigan State University,
at SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey, November 30, 2002

"In a war you have to take up arms and people will get killed, and I
can support that kind of action by petrol bombing and bombs under
cars, and probably at a later stage, the shooting of vivisectors on
their doorsteps. It's a war, and there's no other way you can stop
vivisectors." Tim Daley, British Animal Liberation Front Leader, BBC
interview, 1987

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/archives/animalrightsquote.htm#Meat
bookie - 27 Nov 2007 13:13 GMT
I have to say that I do agree with some of the things said here, I
don't feel right saying that I 'own' Jessie, Terri or Mr McGregor
(well i certainly don't own Mr McG as he still 'belongs' to the local
cats protection and I am just fostering him and giving him a home) i
would rather say that I share my life and house with them, they are my
companions and I try my best to look after them.

I do not like the word 'pet' that much either and I loathe seeing
collars on either dogs or cats, J T and Mr M are microchipped in case
they wander off and cannot find their way home, not happened so far
but with them being older cats they may do from pure senility,
especially in the case of Mr M who has done this at previous homes.

I am not sure about some of the more extreme things said above, such
as burning down places to make your point because that tends only to
put people against your cause and not support it, so it is
counterproductive really. I do however understand how some people may
do this out of sheer frustration over the situation when they feel
they have exhausted all other options for getting their point across
and for initiating a change. DOES NOT MEAN I CONDONE IT before anyone
gets the hump with me.

my cats can walk out the door any time they choose, they are free to
come and go, but they choose to return every time, might be something
to do with the warm radiator beds and the endless supply of roast
chicken and tuna chunks they get (just been to supermarket and bought
a roast chicken for them today, i am vegetarian btw, what a sucker
eh?) and the fact they know they have me wrapped around their little
paws.

interesting quotes anyway

bookie
Sheelagh>"o"< - 27 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT
> I have to say that I do agree with some of the things said here, I
> don't feel right saying that I 'own' Jessie, Terri or Mr McGregor
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>
> bookie

Nice to see you around again :o)
Sheelagh>"o"<
IBen Getiner - 28 Nov 2007 11:26 GMT
On Nov 27, 10:57�am, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> > I have to say that I do agree with some of the things said here, I
> > don't feel right saying that I 'own' Jessie, Terri or Mr McGregor
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Please be quiet. You disturb me...

IBen Getiner
IBen Getiner - 28 Nov 2007 11:24 GMT
> I have to say that I do agree with some of the things said here, I
> don't feel right saying that I 'own' Jessie, Terri or Mr McGregor
> (well i certainly don't own Mr McG as he still 'belongs' to the local
> cats protection and I am just fostering him and giving him a home) i
> would rather say that I share my life and house with them, they are my
> companions and I try my best to look after them.

Why? They do belong to you, you know. If you kill one in public,
you'll see real fast just who owns what. They're your property, plain
and simple. Slaves, if you like. And there's nothing that they can do
about it. They can't even complain to anyone! Not even to you.

> I do not like the word 'pet' that much either and I loathe seeing
> collars on either dogs or cats, J T and Mr M are microchipped in case
> they wander off and cannot find their way home, not happened so far
> but with them being older cats they may do from pure senility,
> especially in the case of Mr M who has done this at previous homes.

Pet is a complement. Like the way a much respected man addresses a
favored woman. Why do people like you have to come along and screw
everything up? It was running fine until you got here.

> I am not sure about some of the more extreme things said above, such
> as burning down places to make your point because that tends only to
> put people against your cause and not support it, so it is
> counterproductive really.

Tell that to King George in 1776.

> I do however understand how some people may
> do this out of sheer frustration over the situation when they feel
> they have exhausted all other options for getting their point across
> and for initiating a change.

So you support vigilantism. Just come on out and say it.

> DOES NOT MEAN I CONDONE IT before anyone
> gets the hump with me.

KAT KRAP

> my cats can walk out the door any time they choose, they are free to
> come and go, but they choose to return every time,

LOL..!! Just like anyone's cats do, you silly little vain puke. Stop
FEEDING them and they'll take flite soon enough. I've even heard-tell
that abused children will cling to the arm of the abusing parent when
introduced into a room full of other adults, simply because they fear
that the others will be worse abusers than the one they already got!
What a naive little person you are! LOL...!!

> might be something
> to do with the warm radiator beds and the endless supply of roast
> chicken and tuna chunks they get (just been to supermarket and bought
> a roast chicken for them today,

Yes....!  Might......!

> i am vegetarian btw, what a sucker
> eh?) and the fact they know they have me wrapped around their little
> paws.

Why are you a vegetarian and not they? And why are you one to begin
with? You have incisor teeth as well as molars, you know.

> interesting quotes anyway
>
> bookie

Yes, I thought you'd approve, since you speak perfect disturbed lingo.

IBen Getiner
bookie - 28 Nov 2007 12:29 GMT
> > I have to say that I do agree with some of the things said here, I
> > don't feel right saying that I 'own' Jessie, Terri or Mr McGregor
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> IBen Getiner

you are such a sweetie aren't you?

have the medical profession found a name for your condition yet?
Sheelagh>"o"< - 28 Nov 2007 14:01 GMT
> > Yes, I thought you'd approve, since you speak perfect disturbed lingo.
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Social psychopath I think they call *it* Bookie.
I'd be interested in your thought's.
Sheelagh >"o"<
IBen Getiner - 02 Dec 2007 10:32 GMT
On Nov 28, 9:01�am, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > > Yes, I thought you'd approve, since you speak perfect disturbed lingo.
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> I'd be interested in your thought's.
> Sheelagh >"o"<

Matthew 12
And I tell you this, that you must give an account on judgment day of
every idle word you speak.

IBen Getiner
Sheelagh>"o"< - 02 Dec 2007 14:42 GMT
Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
Bible, 1 Corinthians xv. 33.
Sheelagh >"o"<
q - 05 Dec 2007 00:23 GMT
> On Nov 28, 9:01�am, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
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> And I tell you this, that you must give an account on judgment day of
> every idle word you speak.

Money talks and bullshit walks-average Tucson Vet Office

> IBen Getiner
IBen Getiner - 02 Dec 2007 10:21 GMT
> > > I have to say that I do agree with some of the things said here, I
> > > don't feel right saying that I 'own' Jessie, Terri or Mr McGregor
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> you are such a sweetie aren't you?

LOL..!! You're such a silly little vain puke

> have the medical profession found a name for your condition yet?- -

Yeah. It's called 'right-wing American male'.

IBene Getiner
The Hidden Cat Lover - 02 Dec 2007 17:44 GMT
On Dec 2, 5:21 am, IBen Getiner <Lappc...@aol.com>
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No I think they call it sexual repressed, bipolar, obsessive,also a
person with equipment lacking that like to be center of attention but
rather be in the closet watching.
From everything I read about this person that looks about right.
Definitely should not be allowed to breed

All he talks about is some one else being gay and has all those
pictures on his computer.  He says from what I read it is for ammo and
he has acquired them over the years.  YEAH RIGHT.
k - 05 Dec 2007 00:24 GMT
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>> you are such a sweetie aren't you?
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> Yeah. It's called 'right-wing American male'.

Same jerkoffs that got us into the iraq war.

> IBene Getiner
IBen Getiner - 05 Dec 2007 04:54 GMT
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> Same jerkoffs that got us into the iraq war.

You mean all of those democrat senators and congressmen who voted for
us to go? LOL...!! Even your butt-f.ck hero Slick Willie Clinton said
Saddam was going to be big trouble and would have to go in the end. I
don't see your problem with it... Never have.
Wishy-washy azzhole... That's all that you and the rest of your pals
are. Can't make a decission and see it thru....

IBen
Ibenfuckedup - 05 Dec 2007 00:21 GMT
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>> IBen Getiner
>
> you are such a sweetie aren't you?
>
> have the medical profession found a name for your condition yet?

yeah, it's called sociopathic, antisocial disorder with accompanying
AADD.

he frequently forgets his meds and then seeks approval here.
IBen Getiner - 05 Dec 2007 04:51 GMT
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> he frequently forgets his meds and then seeks approval here.

There is no such thing as AADD or whatever name they gave what they
misunderstood. Even The British medical Association knows this. The do
not recognize it to even exist. ADD and ADHD are products of the
liberal mind. They have outlawed corporal punishment in the home and
the school. So now when the child naturally becomes totally
ungovernable thru lack of proper discipline, the don't know what else
to do. They could NEVER admit that their way is what caused it. Not
out of pride, but because they simply can't see. They are emotionally
blind, so they go on to the point where now,  just as soon as a young
male child starts showing signs of normal boyhood (another concept
that they can never understand), they throw some generic label at him
and dope him up so he can never reach his full creative potential.
Bottom line.... Anyone who believes in this sh.t is more crazy than
they think we are.
But we all know where IBen stands on this subject. So why are we still
trying to justify using it against me in descriptive form...? See....?
You just can't deal with it. Masculinity, I mean. None of you bitches
or queer-bait fairies in here have even the slightest CLUE..

IBen Getiner
_ - 29 Nov 2007 20:27 GMT
IBen Getiner <lappcatt@webtv.net> wrote in news:5be7b558-a9d9-4724-ad59-
6f34853a09b7@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

See Mark Twain's Essay in which he argues that the human species is a
lower life form.

Also: "SHOW ME THE MONEY" (FIRST)-Average Tucson Veterinarian

> Quotes from leaders of the animal rights movement
>
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>
> http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/archives/animalrightsquote.htm#Meat
 
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