Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2007
Alex' s checkup
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cindys - 26 Nov 2007 05:25 GMT Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it was only 54. I phoned the vet's office right away to report that the cat was hypoglycemic. (His blood glucose had been stable for nearly a year and a half in the 90 to 110 range, and I had been testing it only sporadically since it had been so stable for such a long time). The vet tech told me to encourage him to eat (he has actually been eating a lot) and to bring him in for his scheduled appointment later that afternoon.
The result of the checkup was that his blood pressure was good at 140. He had lost 5 or 6 ounces in the last five months, despite eating a lot. The doctor discovered that his grade 2 heart murmur (present at least since Alex was 2 years old - he is now nearly 17 years old) had graduated to a gallop, and she was quite concerned. She had no immediate explanation for the hypoglycemia. She is testing his thyroid, kidney values (he has chronic, moderate-to-severe kidney failure), and checking his urine to see if he is dumping glucose in his urine. At this point, I would have been panicking had I not read Phil's response to Matt (regarding Phantom) that hyperthyroidism can give the false impression of heart disease, which resolves when the hyperthyroidism is controlled. The vet is suggesting another echocardiogram if thyroid function turns out to be normal. I am thinking very hard about whether I want to do that or not. Alex has already had two echocardiograms in his life (the most recent one was about a year and a half ago). At that time, it was decided that his heart murmur was stable and he didn't need medication. Previously, he had been on diltiazem without side effects. I told the vet that if his thyroid function turns out to be normal, my inclination would be to put him back on diltiazem empirically rather than dealing with the trauma and expense of yet another echocardiogram. Is there a downside to this approach? Are there various heart problems the echocardiogram would be likely to detect that would be treated using a different medication (i.e., not diltiazem) ? I guess I'm wondering about the realistic yield of doing (yet another) echocardiogram on a 17-year-old cat with numerous comorbidities. Phil (or anyone), what are your thoughts on this?
(I should be getting the results of the urinalysis, thyroid testing, and kidney panel either tomorrow or Tuesday). Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 05:37 GMT > Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in > preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Purring and Praying for him Cindy
Ps being a diabetic myself even controlled sugar levels can jump for no reason. I know plenty of diabetics that out of the blue it changes. Something with cats Rumble's did once scared the hell out of me. Gave him some white syrup KoKA something like that and got his sugar back up. It is when is curve is that low is when to panic
IBen Getiner - 26 Nov 2007 07:50 GMT > > Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in > > preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Purring and Praying for him Cindy God only hears the prayre of salvation from a non-believer, Matty.... You have to be born again or God won't answer any other prayre you pray but that one.
Sorry
IBen Getiner
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 16:32 GMT On Nov 26, 12:37?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Purring and Praying for him Cindy < snipped for being bullshit>
You have no idea what I mean. The goddess hears all prayers but if you actually were a cat person than a Nazi racist homophobe you would know that.
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:33 GMT > On Nov 26, 12:37?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How can you say you are a Christian and then go on lying and sucking cock so much?
IBen Getiner
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT On Nov 26, 11:32?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > - Show quoted text - <snipped for being posted by a idiot>
Who said I was a Christian. You need to pay more attention
IBen Getiner - 28 Nov 2007 10:56 GMT > "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com> wrote in message
> Who said I was a Christian. �You need to pay more attention- Hide quoted text - You said you'd pray about it. And since there's only one God, I assumed you were going to offer up your wasted words to Him. That's why I said that you were wasting your time, because He only hears the prayers of believers, and not cock-sucking faggots who just want a materialistic break for them or their un-saved friends.
Did you get all of that this time?
IBen Getiner
Anoymous Cat lover - 27 Nov 2007 17:55 GMT > > "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think you need to learn to spell before you talk about any God or religion
cindys - 26 Nov 2007 15:23 GMT > Purring and Praying for him Cindy > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > him some white syrup KoKA something like that and got his sugar back up. > It is when is curve is that low is when to panic ------- Even though Alex's blood glucose was in hypoglycemica territory, he wasn't exhibiting any symptoms (lethargy, dizziness, confusion, falling). I do have some Karo syrup (high sugar corn syrup) in my cupboard, which I would have rubbed on his gums, but first I phoned the vet, and they told me that I should give him food rather than Karo syrup. The cat is eating constantly (which is why we suspect hyperthyroidism), and I had been giving him canned food on demand every few hours (with dry food out for grazing 24/7), so I guess I didn't understand how this could happen. The vet isn't sure either at this point. This morning, I was reading the instructions for his glucometer since I ran out of test strips and needed to refresh my memory on how to recalibrate the device for the new package of strips. I read something interesting. It said that in cases of dehydration, the blood glucose reading may be artificially low. So, it's entirely possible he's dehydrated, not hypoglycemic. Sigh. The glucometer is designed for humans, BTW, so if you are a diabetic, this is an important piece of information for yourself too. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Phil P. - 26 Nov 2007 16:21 GMT > ------- > Even though Alex's blood glucose was in hypoglycemica territory, he wasn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > should give him food rather than Karo syrup. The cat is eating constantly > (which is why we suspect hyperthyroidism), Hi Cindy,
I'm out the door- but just a quick note: A cat will always feel hungry and keep eating if glucose isn't getting into the cells in the "satiety center" in the hypothalamus. The amount of glucose that gets into the cells in the satiety center is mediated by insulin. In diabetic cats with a relative or absolute lack of insulin, glucose doesn't enter satiety center cells- this results in a failure to inhibit the feeding center so the cat always feels hungry and wants to eat all the time-- looks just like a symptom of hyperthyroidism.
When you bring your cat in to the vet for bloodwork, ask him include a serum fructosamine test. An SF will tell you the average BG concentration over the last 2-3 weeks. This will give you a better idea of how he's been doing. The SF isn't affected by stress- from the trip to the vet. Stress can artifically raise BG - so if his BG is high, test him again after he's been home for a few hours.
More later,
Good luck-
Phil
and I had been giving him canned
> food on demand every few hours (with dry food out for grazing 24/7), so I > guess I didn't understand how this could happen. The vet isn't sure either [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 16:38 GMT >> Purring and Praying for him Cindy >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Oh I know that I have the emergency kit for myself just in case. For Rumble he was not dehydrate it was a just a fluke according to the vet. Trust me when in doubt I call my vet. Luckily I have a personal friendship with him since 1984 so I can call him at home and his wife will get him out of bed if it is an emergency.
The Karo syrup is only for emergencies when they don't want to eat. I have only had to use it once
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:35 GMT > >> Purring and Praying for him Cindy > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > since 1984 so I can call him at home and his wife will get him out of bed if > it is an emergency. Does 'his wife' know the extent of your.... 'friendship'..?
> The Karo syrup is only for emergencies when they don't want to eat. �I have > only had to use it once- Hide quoted text - IBen Getiner
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 15:58 GMT On Nov 26, 11:38?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > if > it is an emergency. Does 'his wife' know the extent of your.... 'friendship'..?
> The Karo syrup is only for emergencies when they don't want to eat. ?I > have > only had to use it once- Hide quoted text - Stop being jealous of someone else come out of the closet and get back on your meds
IBen Getiner - 26 Nov 2007 07:48 GMT > Well, I took Alex for h........ <snip>
Nobody cares, cindyz. NO-BODY.
IBen Getiner
Sheelagh>"o"< - 26 Nov 2007 12:56 GMT > > Well, I took Alex for h........ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > IBen Getiner
> Nobody cares, cindyz. NO-BODY. May I correct you here?
I think you will find that we do care about her herself & cat Alex, very much indeed. This is an ongoing story about Alex's declining health & all the issues that come with it. We choose to read about this because we do care very much, & we are interested to hear how things are going. Cindy is a valued member of this group despite your nasty ways & self absorbed character....
In fact, my only fear is that Phil might not read this post because it has your racist name here actually. Now that would be a terrible shame, so why not move along & leave us be please!
Sheelagh>"o"<
cybercat - 26 Nov 2007 15:31 GMT On 26 Nov, 07:48, IBen Getiner <Lappc...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 12:25?am, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > IBen Getiner
> Nobody cares, cindyz. NO-BODY. May I correct you here?
Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times?
This a.shole has been around for years. At least five years.
Everyone with any sense has him killfiled. The ONLY reason I see his posts is because you reply. Can you please take it to email if you feel the need to talk to obvious malicious idiots?
Sheelagh>"o"< - 26 Nov 2007 15:35 GMT > Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I see his posts is because you reply. Can you please take it to > email if you feel the need to talk to obvious malicious idiots? Fair Point Cyber, & note taken :o) Sheelagh >"o"<
cybercat - 26 Nov 2007 15:40 GMT >> Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Fair Point Cyber, & note taken :o) > Sheelagh >"o"< And by the way, nice to see you.
:) Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 16:39 GMT >> Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Fair Point Cyber, & note taken :o) > Sheelagh >"o"< But it is fun to mess with them now and than
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:32 GMT On Nov 26, 7:56 am, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I took Alex for h........ > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > May I correct you here? well.... if you must..
> I think you will find that we do care about her herself & cat Alex, > very much indeed. Like I said.... NOBODY. That's you and anyone else shallow enough to give a rat'z azz about her cat's silly surar problem, or whatever it is....
Nobody cares except you nobodies.. And even then, it's all fake and contrived concerns. Not one ounce of real sympthy.
> This is an ongoing story about Alex's declining > health & all the issues that come with it. Well, if she had taken better care of him during his early years, then you wouldn't be in this quandry today, now would you.....
> We choose to read about > this because we do care very much, & we are interested to hear how > things are going. Why...? There's nothing you can do.
> Cindy is a valued member of this group despite your > nasty ways & self absorbed character.... She'z never given me anything but a hard time and lies and slander. Saying that I was anti-semantic... sh.t, I've never once met a Jew that I didn't like. Two older Jewish men were even mentors of mine when I was a kid. No wonder I turned out so f.cked up, huhh.....;)
> In fact, my only fear is that Phil might not read this post because it > has your racist name here actually. He'll read it. Everyone does. Not matter what they say. Something I learned a long time ago. Trust me.
> Now that would be a terrible > shame, so why not move along & leave us be please! > > Sheelagh >"o"< Why should I do that? Because, while you might not *really* care about cindy'z dying old relic, I know fully well that you really care about me..... ;)
IBen Getiner )(o)(
Sheelagh>"o"< - 26 Nov 2007 13:04 GMT > Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in > preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. I'm ever so sorry to hear this Cindy. I can imagine how much worry you are going through because of the tone of your post. I'm hoping that things will improve for Alex. As I'm not able to speak from experience on this one, I'm going to leave it to others that do know what they are talking about.
We just wanted you to know that we are all thinking of you & sending a ship loads of purrs across the pond to you & your's. Warmest Regards, Sheelagh >"o"<
cindys - 26 Nov 2007 15:24 GMT snip
> I'm ever so sorry to hear this Cindy. I can imagine how much worry you > are going through because of the tone of your post. I'm hoping that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Warmest Regards, > Sheelagh >"o"< -------- Thank you so much for your kind thoughts and purrs. I will keep you (and everyone) updated as I get new information. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Phil P. - 26 Nov 2007 16:21 GMT > Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in > preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > encourage him to eat (he has actually been eating a lot) and to bring him in > for his scheduled appointment later that afternoon. Hi Cindy,
Did you retest his BG? Sometimes you can get crazy readings if the meter is out of wack or if the strip is bad. Whenever I get abnormal readings all of a sudden in a cat that has been doing fine, I run another test. If its still out of wack, I'll recalibrate the meter and use a strip from a new box.
I gotta run.
Phil
> The result of the checkup was that his blood pressure was good at 140. He > had lost 5 or 6 ounces in the last five months, despite eating a lot. The [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:38 GMT > Well, I t <snip>
I'm moved.
IBen Getiner
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