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cindys - 26 Nov 2007 05:25 GMT
Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in
preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it
was only 54. I phoned the vet's office right away to report that the cat was
hypoglycemic. (His blood glucose had been stable for nearly a year and a
half in the 90 to 110 range, and I had been testing it only sporadically
since it had been so stable for such a long time). The vet tech told me to
encourage him to eat (he has actually been eating a lot) and to bring him in
for his scheduled appointment later that afternoon.

The result of the checkup was that his blood pressure was good at 140. He
had lost 5 or 6 ounces in the last five months, despite eating a lot. The
doctor discovered that his grade 2 heart murmur (present at least since Alex
was 2 years old - he is now nearly 17 years old) had graduated to a gallop,
and she was quite concerned. She had no immediate explanation for the
hypoglycemia. She is testing his thyroid, kidney values (he has chronic,
moderate-to-severe kidney failure), and checking his urine to see if he is
dumping glucose in his urine. At this point, I would have been panicking had
I not read Phil's response to Matt (regarding Phantom) that hyperthyroidism
can give the false impression of heart disease, which resolves when the
hyperthyroidism is controlled. The vet is suggesting another echocardiogram
if thyroid function turns out to be normal. I am thinking very hard about
whether I want to do that or not. Alex has already had two echocardiograms
in his life (the most recent one was about a year and a half ago). At that
time, it was decided that his heart murmur was stable and he didn't need
medication. Previously, he had been on diltiazem without side effects. I
told the vet that if his thyroid function turns out to be normal, my
inclination would be to put him back on diltiazem empirically rather than
dealing with the trauma and expense of yet another echocardiogram. Is there
a downside to this approach? Are there various heart problems the
echocardiogram would be likely to detect that would be treated using a
different medication (i.e., not diltiazem) ? I guess I'm wondering about the
realistic yield of doing (yet another) echocardiogram on a 17-year-old cat
with numerous comorbidities. Phil (or anyone), what are your thoughts on
this?

(I should be getting the results of the urinalysis, thyroid testing, and
kidney panel either tomorrow or Tuesday).
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 05:37 GMT
> Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in
> preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

Purring and Praying for him Cindy

Ps  being a diabetic myself  even controlled sugar levels can jump for no
reason.  I know plenty of diabetics that out of the blue it changes.
Something with cats  Rumble's did once  scared the hell out of me.  Gave him
some white syrup KoKA  something like that  and got his sugar back up.  It
is when is curve is that low is when to panic
IBen Getiner - 26 Nov 2007 07:50 GMT
> > Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in
> > preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it
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>
> Purring and Praying for him Cindy

God only hears the prayre of salvation from a non-believer, Matty....
You have to be born again or God won't answer any other prayre you
pray but that one.

Sorry

IBen Getiner
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 16:32 GMT
On Nov 26, 12:37?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>
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> Purring and Praying for him Cindy

< snipped for being bullshit>

You have no idea what I mean.  The goddess hears all prayers but if you
actually were a cat person than a Nazi racist homophobe  you would know
that.
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:33 GMT
> On Nov 26, 12:37?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
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How can you say you are a Christian and then go on lying and sucking
cock so much?

IBen Getiner
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT
On Nov 26, 11:32?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snipped for being posted by a idiot>

Who said I was a Christian.  You need to pay more attention
IBen Getiner - 28 Nov 2007 10:56 GMT
> "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com> wrote in message

> Who said I was a Christian. �You need to pay more attention- Hide quoted text -

You said you'd pray about it. And since there's only one God, I
assumed you were going to offer up your wasted words to Him. That's
why I said that you were wasting your time, because He only hears the
prayers of believers, and not cock-sucking faggots who just want a
materialistic break for them or their un-saved friends.

Did you get all of that this time?

IBen Getiner
Anoymous Cat lover - 27 Nov 2007 17:55 GMT
> > "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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I think you need to learn to spell before you talk about any God or
religion
cindys - 26 Nov 2007 15:23 GMT
> Purring and Praying for him Cindy
>
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> him some white syrup KoKA  something like that  and got his sugar back up.
> It is when is curve is that low is when to panic
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Even though Alex's blood glucose was in hypoglycemica territory, he wasn't
exhibiting any symptoms (lethargy, dizziness, confusion, falling). I do have
some Karo syrup (high sugar corn syrup) in my cupboard, which I would have
rubbed on his gums, but first I phoned the vet, and they told me that I
should give him food rather than Karo syrup. The cat is eating constantly
(which is why we suspect hyperthyroidism), and I had been giving him canned
food on demand every few hours (with dry food out for grazing 24/7), so I
guess I didn't understand how this could happen. The vet isn't sure either
at this point. This morning, I was reading the instructions for his
glucometer since I ran out of test strips and needed to refresh my memory on
how to recalibrate the device for the new package of strips. I read
something interesting. It said that in cases of dehydration, the blood
glucose reading may be artificially low. So, it's entirely possible he's
dehydrated, not hypoglycemic. Sigh. The glucometer is designed for humans,
BTW, so if you are a diabetic, this is an important piece of information for
yourself too.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Phil P. - 26 Nov 2007 16:21 GMT
> -------
> Even though Alex's blood glucose was in hypoglycemica territory, he wasn't
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> should give him food rather than Karo syrup. The cat is eating constantly
> (which is why we suspect hyperthyroidism),

Hi Cindy,

I'm out the door- but just a quick note: A cat will always feel hungry and
keep eating if glucose isn't getting into the cells in the "satiety center"
in the hypothalamus.  The amount of glucose that gets into the cells in the
satiety center is mediated by insulin.  In diabetic cats with a relative or
absolute lack of insulin, glucose doesn't enter satiety center cells- this
results in a failure to inhibit the feeding center so the cat always feels
hungry and wants to eat all the time-- looks just like a symptom of
hyperthyroidism.

When you bring your cat in to the vet for bloodwork, ask him include a serum
fructosamine test. An SF will tell you the average BG concentration over the
last 2-3 weeks. This will give you a better idea of how he's been doing.
The SF isn't affected by stress- from the trip to the vet. Stress can
artifically raise BG - so if his BG is high, test him again after he's been
home for a few hours.

More later,

Good luck-

Phil

and I had been giving him canned
> food on demand every few hours (with dry food out for grazing 24/7), so I
> guess I didn't understand how this could happen. The vet isn't sure either
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 16:38 GMT
>> Purring and Praying for him Cindy
>>
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

Oh I know that I have the emergency kit for myself just in case.  For Rumble
he was not dehydrate it was a just a fluke according to the vet.  Trust me
when in doubt I call my vet.  Luckily I have a personal friendship with him
since 1984 so I can call him at home and his wife will get him out of bed if
it is an emergency.

The Karo syrup is only for emergencies when they don't want to eat.  I have
only had to use it once
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:35 GMT
> >> Purring and Praying for him Cindy
>
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> since 1984 so I can call him at home and his wife will get him out of bed if
> it is an emergency.

Does 'his wife' know the extent of your.... 'friendship'..?

> The Karo syrup is only for emergencies when they don't want to eat. �I have
> only had to use it once- Hide quoted text -

IBen Getiner
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 15:58 GMT
On Nov 26, 11:38?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>
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> if
> it is an emergency.

Does 'his wife' know the extent of your.... 'friendship'..?

> The Karo syrup is only for emergencies when they don't want to eat. ?I
> have
> only had to use it once- Hide quoted text -

Stop being  jealous of someone else  come out of the closet and get back on
your meds
IBen Getiner - 26 Nov 2007 07:48 GMT
> Well, I took Alex for h........

<snip>

Nobody cares, cindyz. NO-BODY.

IBen Getiner
Sheelagh>"o"< - 26 Nov 2007 12:56 GMT
> > Well, I took Alex for h........
>
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>
> IBen Getiner

> Nobody cares, cindyz. NO-BODY.

May I correct you here?

I think you will find that we do care about her herself & cat Alex,
very much indeed. This is an ongoing story about Alex's declining
health & all the issues that come with it. We choose to read about
this because we do care very much, & we are interested to hear how
things are going. Cindy is a valued member of this group despite your
nasty ways & self absorbed character....

In fact, my only fear is that Phil might not read this post because it
has your racist name here actually. Now that would be a terrible
shame, so why not move along & leave us be please!

Sheelagh>"o"<
cybercat - 26 Nov 2007 15:31 GMT
On 26 Nov, 07:48, IBen Getiner <Lappc...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 12:25?am, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
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>
> IBen Getiner

> Nobody cares, cindyz. NO-BODY.

May I correct you here?

Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times?

This a.shole has been around for years. At least five years.

Everyone with any sense has him killfiled. The ONLY reason
I see his posts is because you reply. Can you please take it to
email if you feel the need to talk to obvious malicious idiots?
Sheelagh>"o"< - 26 Nov 2007 15:35 GMT
> Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times?
>
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> I see his posts is because you reply. Can you please take it to
> email if you feel the need to talk to obvious malicious idiots?

Fair Point Cyber, & note taken :o)
Sheelagh >"o"<
cybercat - 26 Nov 2007 15:40 GMT
>> Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times?
>>
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> Fair Point Cyber, & note taken :o)
> Sheelagh >"o"<

And by the way, nice to see you.

:)
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 16:39 GMT
>> Sheelagh, we have been through this, how many times?
>>
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> Fair Point Cyber, & note taken :o)
> Sheelagh >"o"<

But it is fun to mess with them now and than
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:32 GMT
On Nov 26, 7:56 am, "Sheelagh>\"o\"<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > > Well, I took Alex for h........
>
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>
> May I correct you here?

well.... if you must..

> I think you will find that we do care about her herself & cat Alex,
> very much indeed.

Like I said.... NOBODY. That's you and anyone else shallow enough to
give a rat'z azz about her cat's silly surar problem, or whatever it
is....

Nobody cares except you nobodies.. And even then, it's all fake and
contrived concerns. Not one ounce of real sympthy.

> This is an ongoing story about Alex's declining
> health & all the issues that come with it.

Well, if she had taken better care of him during his early years, then
you wouldn't be in this quandry today, now would you.....

> We choose to read about
> this because we do care very much, & we are interested to hear how
> things are going.

Why...? There's nothing you can do.

> Cindy is a valued member of this group despite your
> nasty ways & self absorbed character....

She'z never given me anything but a hard time and lies and slander.
Saying that I was anti-semantic... sh.t, I've never once met a Jew
that I didn't like. Two older Jewish men were even mentors of mine
when I was a kid. No wonder I turned out so f.cked up, huhh.....;)

> In fact, my only fear is that Phil might not read this post because it
> has your racist name here actually.

He'll read it. Everyone does. Not matter what they say. Something I
learned a long time ago. Trust me.

> Now that would be a terrible
> shame, so why not move along & leave us be please!
>
> Sheelagh >"o"<

Why should I do that? Because, while you might not *really* care about
cindy'z dying old relic, I know fully well that you really care about
me..... ;)

IBen Getiner )(o)(
Sheelagh>"o"< - 26 Nov 2007 13:04 GMT
> Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in
> preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

I'm ever so sorry to hear this Cindy. I can imagine how much worry you
are going through because of the tone of your post. I'm hoping that
things will improve for Alex.  As I'm not able to speak from
experience on this one, I'm going to leave it to others that do know
what they are talking about.

We just wanted you to know that we are all thinking of you & sending a
ship loads of purrs across the pond to you & your's.
Warmest Regards,
Sheelagh >"o"<
cindys - 26 Nov 2007 15:24 GMT
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> I'm ever so sorry to hear this Cindy. I can imagine how much worry you
> are going through because of the tone of your post. I'm hoping that
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> Warmest Regards,
> Sheelagh >"o"<
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Thank you so much for your kind thoughts and purrs. I will keep you (and
everyone) updated as I get new information.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Phil P. - 26 Nov 2007 16:21 GMT
> Well, I took Alex for his checkup last Wednesday. Earlier in the day, in
> preparation for the checkup, I checked his blood glucose and discovered it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> encourage him to eat (he has actually been eating a lot) and to bring him in
> for his scheduled appointment later that afternoon.

Hi Cindy,

Did you retest his BG?  Sometimes you can get crazy readings if the meter is
out of wack or if the strip is bad.  Whenever I get abnormal readings all of
a sudden in a cat that has been doing fine, I run another test. If its still
out of wack, I'll recalibrate the meter and use a strip from a new box.

I gotta run.

Phil

> The result of the checkup was that his blood pressure was good at 140. He
> had lost 5 or 6 ounces in the last five months, despite eating a lot. The
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
IBen Getiner - 27 Nov 2007 09:38 GMT
> Well, I t

<snip>

I'm moved.

IBen Getiner

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