Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2004
Flea TICK, COLLAR, DROPS?, QUESTIONS, PLEASE!!!!
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April - 19 May 2004 16:10 GMT We look after a large bunch of cats at a farm. Some live outside, some come inside. But 90% very freindly and NOT feral. The cats are getting LOTS of TICKS right now. (And I had one stuck to my neck too, from holding cat). WHAT CAN WE DO THAT IS CHEAPEST to stop TICKS??
We have heard the drops are BEST, but expensive like at 10.00 a dose, and vet fees. THese cats only go to a vet in emergency (just spent 300.00 to get a tail cut in half that was broken). So that's not an option. WE SAW ONE PERSON MENTION DOG DOSE and split it? Can you just buy it?, We have no dogs.
SOOOO, we are trying collars?, DO THEY WORK?, Which are best? We have tried HARTZ, but see people say STAY away from their drops. So are the collars SAFE?, What about other brands?, ANY OTHER over the counter drops besides hartz? (NOTE: we have used Hartz Ear Mite Drops with NO problems is that OK?, or did it even work?).
ALSO we have kittens and nursing mothers. What can be put on the nursing mothers?? (as they go outside).
SO, our questions are. What would be the CHEAPEST way to stop ticks on a bunch of cats. (that works and is safe).
can anyone recommend any vets who would offer LOW COST, REDUCED COST. FIXING, and ADVANTAGE in southern NH. FOr a large bunch of cats. (we tried some of those reduced agencies, THEY SUCK, we would prefer to deal direct with a vet ourself).
OH, one more question. WHAT'S BEST WAY TO REMOVE TICKS? from cat? (if it's attached)
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THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!!! (we really don't know much about cats, just felt sorry for them)
OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US.
Sherry - 19 May 2004 16:40 GMT WE SAW ONE PERSON MENTION DOG DOSE and split it?
NO, NO, NO. Never use OTC dog products on a cat. It could very well kill the cat.
>SOOOO, we are trying collars?, DO THEY WORK?, Which are best? >We have tried HARTZ, but see people say STAY away from their drops. >So are the collars SAFE?, What about other brands?, ANY OTHER over >the counter drops besides hartz? (NOTE: we have used Hartz Ear Mite >Drops with NO problems is that OK?, or did it even work?). Don't use flea collars, either. At best, they are ineffective, especially for ticks. At worst, they are lethal. Besides the chemical dangers, most flea collars aren't break-away safety collars, and not at all safe for outdoor cats.
Really, I would suggest a consultation with a vet. Explain to him your need for tick control that's both economical and safe. Could be he can sell you a product in bulk.
>SO, our questions are. What would be the CHEAPEST way to stop ticks >on a bunch of cats. (that works and is safe). > >can anyone recommend any vets who would offer LOW COST, REDUCED >COST. FIXING, and ADVANTAGE You know that Advantage doesn't work on ticks, right? (It's great for fleas, though)
in southern NH. FOr a large bunch of cats.
>(we tried some of those reduced agencies, THEY SUCK, we would prefer >to deal direct with a vet ourself). > >OH, one more question. WHAT'S BEST WAY TO REMOVE TICKS? from cat? >(if it's attached) I use tweezers, and grasp the tick near the head. It's important to pull evenly, and not jerk or twist. Don't do things like try to burn it with a hot needle, or other misc. old wives tales. Wear gloves and either flush the tick down the toilet or drop it in a jar of alcohol. They are hard little buggers to kill.
Sherry
~*Connie*~ - 20 May 2004 00:24 GMT Frontline is really the only safe and proven method of killing ticks that the vet I work for sells. I talked to the Merial Rep, and he said yes, you can use a large dog frontline and split the dosage for cats. (or if you have a large cat, you should probably use a small dog dose).
If a tick is embedded, get a pair of tweezers, Grab hold as far down on the base of the tick as you can, and pull. If the head is ripped off, don't worry, it will work itself out. Cats are pretty adept at removing ticks themselves, except around the head and neck.
I can not recommend highly enough that you stay away from OTC products. The hartz products have been proven to be toxic to some cats. and as to the effectiveness of the earmite meds, Im going to assume that they were pretty useless.
Southern NH hun? I actually work for a vet that does a lot of work for the shelter in southern maine. Im not sure about the rescue groups in your area. We do a lot of work with the friends of feral felines in Maine.. they might be able to refer you to someone in your area.
http://home.maine.rr.com/feralfelines/
Good luck!
> We look after a large bunch of cats at a farm. Some live outside, some > come inside. But 90% very freindly and NOT feral. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Kimmy - 28 Jun 2004 15:47 GMT here's a post from amonth ago saying splitting dog dose OK is it?? someone else just said NO? to my other post?
I'm SOOOOOOO confused. lol KIM
>Frontline is really the only safe and proven method of killing ticks that >the vet I work for sells. I talked to the Merial Rep, and he said yes, you >can use a large dog frontline and split the dosage for cats. (or if you have >a large cat, you should probably use a small dog dose). Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 16:48 GMT circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:47:06 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Kimmy (helpthecutekitties@REMOVEyahoo.com) said,
> here's a post from amonth ago saying > splitting dog dose OK > is it?? > someone else just said NO? > to my other post? I read a post in another newsgroup from somebody who routinely does it, and whose vet sells him/her the dog dose specifically because s/he can split the doses and save money.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Sunflower - 28 Jun 2004 16:49 GMT We routinely do this for cats at our shelter. The dosage is .25cc for kittens, and .5cc for cats. You need a 1cc syringe and large gauge needle to be able to draw up exactly the correct amount to be dispensed. And it takes some skill to avoid spilling it everywhere. I suggest practicing a bit before your intial attempt. Wear nitrile gloves while doing this and cover the area below with newspapers to absorb the inevitible drips. This is NOT the easiest way to go about protecting your cat from fleas, but it is more economical. If you have fractious cats, it'd be much easier on you in the long run to just get the proper dose pack from your vet.
Sharon Talbert - 29 Jun 2004 21:36 GMT I agree with you, that splitting out the dosage is messy. I'm not very good at it myself, but it does save precious money.
Once I've gone to all the bother and mess of getting a cat-sized dose in a syringe, though, I actually find it easier to administer to my generally uncooperative cats. I can get to tip of the needleless syringe right down to the skin in a single, one-handed motion. No need to part the fur and hold the cat still.
Take care and keep up the good work...
Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats
Jon C - 28 Jun 2004 16:49 GMT If you're looking after some large number of cats, don't you have a vet you can consult?
Don't trust advice on medication here, see a real vet and ask them.
> here's a post from amonth ago saying > splitting dog dose OK [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >can use a large dog frontline and split the dosage for cats. (or if you have > >a large cat, you should probably use a small dog dose). -L. : - 29 Jun 2004 01:31 GMT > here's a post from amonth ago saying > splitting dog dose OK [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > lol > KIM I repeat:
0.5 ml (or 0.5cc) per cat (12 weeks and older) up to 15 lbs - make sure it is plain Frontline and NOT Frontline Plus.
-L.
Sharon Talbert - 29 Jun 2004 21:29 GMT Ask your vet about Frontline; if they don't know they will contact the manufacterer and get back to you.
I know Advantage and Revolution are the same formula for cats/dogs; dosage is simply based on weight. It can get messy, buying the large dog package and then splitting it out for a multi-cat household. You need to draw out the correct dosage with a syringe, then remove the needle to apply to stuff to the cat(s). But the savings is considerable, and application is actually easier and faster using the needleless syringe that with the applicator.
Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats
April - 20 May 2004 04:27 GMT OOPS, if anyone tried to respond it's HelpTheCuteKitties@yahoo.com, not kittys and REMOVE, REMOVE in header if replying, THANKS
ONe of you said ADVANTAGE, no good for ticks, One said OK ??????? which is it? SO, are flea/tick collars definatly BAD, or Don't Work? or any better than others? ONLY problem is vet wants to see cat for drops, being their are SOOO many, and at a farm that's difficult and expensive. We appreciate any more input, AND IF YOU WANT CATS in SOUTH, CENTRAL, NH Here's CORRECT EMail, Thanks
>We look after a large bunch of cats at a farm. Some live outside, some >come inside. But 90% very freindly and NOT feral. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY >CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Knack - 21 May 2004 06:05 GMT There's enough testimony out there to confirm that some collars do work quite well, but those same collars are probably the least safe (toxicalogically) for pets and humans. No collar is 100% safe. Considering that the retail price of collars is as low as US$1.50 each, the lack of a break-away feature is hardly anything to worry about. At that price you simply adjust the fit of the collar so that the cat can surely slip it off if it needs to.
I definitely don't think the collars should be worn by kittens (Maine Coon "kittens" less than 4 years old, other kittens less than 12 months old) or by any pet if there are babies or toddlers in the house.
Advantage drops kill only fleas. Frontline drops kill both ticks and fleas, whereas Frontline-Plus drops kills flea egsg in addition.
There's another brand of drops named Revolution; made by Pfizer: Prevents heartworm (Dirofilaria immitis) disease Kills adult fleas (Ctenocephalides felis) and prevents their eggs from hatching Treats and controls ear mites (Otodectes cynotis) Treats hookworm (Ancylostoma tubaeforme) and roundworm (Toxocara cati) http://www.revolution4cats.com/content.asp?country=US&lang=EN&drug=RV&specie s=FL&sec=110
> OOPS, if anyone tried to respond it's > HelpTheCuteKitties@yahoo.com, not kittys [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > >CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Knack - 20 May 2004 07:14 GMT Stay away from Hartz drops! A couple years ago both of my cats began foaming at the mouth within hours after the drops were applied. I later did an Internet search regarding that product and discovered that other owners made the same observation, or far worse.
The Bansect flea/tick collar retails for only about US$1.50 and is supposed to last 4 months. Surely there is no cheaper solution. to the problem of ticks and fleas. It certainly has a powerful odor, and I can testify that not a single flea or tick has been found on any of my four cats ever since I put those collars on them (12 days ago). However, although I haven't yet found anything negative specificly published/posted regarding Bansect, I'm concerned about the hazard of Bansect fumes not only to cats, but to people who cuddle those cats. I'm guessing that it might be possible to reduce Bansect's hazard by simply limiting its use to perhaps only as often as one day out of every three. I will try that...
> We look after a large bunch of cats at a farm. Some live outside, some > come inside. But 90% very freindly and NOT feral. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Jim D - 20 May 2004 16:16 GMT Almost all flea and tick prevention treatments involve some form of poisonous or toxic substances. The question for pet owners is what is the right balance between the risk of toxic effects on your pets and your family (especially long-term effects) compared with the risks associated with fleas and ticks. If you have children, remember that flea and tick treatments are toxic chemicals that should be kept away from children. If a pet has recently been treated with a powder or spray, don't let a young child hug or touch the pet.
Products that warn against use on puppies and kittens contain those warnings because they typically contain toxic chemicals that can injure or kill animals with low body weight and/or high growth rates.
Flea and tick collars, powders and sprays all rely on poisons to kill insects. The phosphate-based poisons typically found in these products are also toxic to the pets they are used on, and to humans. Any flea and tick product that recommends being spread over the pet's entire body should be used with extreme caution, and the pet should be carefully watched for reaction - tremors, shock, listlessness, et cetera. I have personal experiences that led me to conclude that liquid flea and tick sprays are extremely dangerous when used over more than a small area of a pet's body.
This brings us to the subject of "drops" - the flea and tick products that call for a drop or small vial of liquid to be placed on the pet's skin, usually on the back of the animal's neck. Whether or not these products are safe for long-term use is quite controversial, and there is little or no independent research available on which to rely.
Products such as "Advantage" claim to be safe, but have never been subjected to independent long-term research. The items on the product's package that indicate Advantage is a toxic, poising-based product are: caution against using on kittens, or on debilitated, pregnant or nursing cats; warnings for treatment if gotten into user's eyes or on skin; and advice to call a doctor and poison control center if swallowed.
In the simplest terms, flea and tick "drops" work by making your pet's skin so toxic to fleas and ticks that they drop off. If you think making your pet's skin toxic is a good idea, then rock on. I, for one, wouldn't use that kind of stuff on any animal, much less a pet I love.
So what do you do? Never use flea and tick products on kittens, or on sick, elderly, pregnant or nursing cats!! Clean up the area your pets roam in to drive away and kill the fleas and ticks that are getting on your pets. Only use flea products on the pets that are infested, and then use as directed to prevent re-infestation. Use products that minimize toxic exposure to your animal - particularly avoid broad, direct contact with your pet's skin - thus, collars and powders are likely safer than sprays. Don't be afraid to remove ticks by hand, or spot treat ticks with powder or spray.
Check on herbal treatments. I understand that various scented herbs tend to keep fleas off of cats. Vitamin B-1 is known to drive away insects (it smells and tastes obnoxious) and is commonly used by bee-keepers.
Good luck!
> We look after a large bunch of cats at a farm. Some live outside, some > come inside. But 90% very freindly and NOT feral. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Jim D - 20 May 2004 17:07 GMT After further research, I revise and reverse my statements regarding "drop" type flea and tick treatments, at least with regard to the product Advantage marketed by Bayer. The active ingredient in Advantage is Imidacloprid, about which you may read on the following web sites:
http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/imidaclo.htm
http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST/1998/September/Day-18/p25085.htm
In summary, dermal (skin) applications of the active ingredient would require much higher concentrations and dosages than those contained in Advantage before there would be a toxic reaction in your cats.
Because "drop" treatments are not affected by exposure to rain and do not expose the pet owner to toxic substances from petting the animal after treatment, a product like Advantage is far safer for the pet and its owners and family members than collars, powders and sprays.
I can't make any recommendations about cost, other than to advise that you have your large collection of farm cats neutered and spayed to prevent further growth in your cat population.
Best of luck!
> Almost all flea and tick prevention treatments involve some form of > poisonous or toxic substances. The question for pet owners is what is the [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. April - 20 May 2004 17:59 GMT another good post is Advantage good for TICKS too? someone said no? Will one cat licking it off another get sick? SOOOOOOOOOOO CONFUSED! thanks
>After further research, I revise and reverse my statements regarding "drop" >type flea and tick treatments, at least with regard to the product Advantage [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] >> > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY >> > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Jim D - 21 May 2004 13:36 GMT The instructions for Advantage are that it be applied to the cat's skin, not to its fur - that is, one should spread the cat's fur down to the skin (with the fingers) and apply the drops at skin level. IMHO (in my humble opinion), since Advantage is supposed to be applied to the cat's skin, not to its fur, it would be difficult for another cat to lick the Advantage from the treated cat once the dosage is dry. Unlike Frontline, Advantage says nothing about being active in the cat's fur after application.
Advantage says nothing about treating ticks in its packaging, advertising or literature.
During the year that we used Advantage on our cats due to a brief but "interesting" bout with fleas, I don't recall seeing any ticks on our cats - but that shouldn't be taken as evidence or an endorsement that the product is intended to work on ticks.
> another good post > is Advantage good for TICKS too? [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > >> > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > >> > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. April - 20 May 2004 17:57 GMT good post, THANKS HMMMMMM what do do, what to do? I'm sooooooo confused any more info, insight, suggestions? anyone know anymore about natural stuff that drives bugs away? And what if the drops are on back of one cat, but another cat comes along and licks first cat (lots of cats groom each other), does that hurt cat who licked it? AHHHHHHHHHH, my brain's gonna explode, HAHA So confused. All I wanted to do was help the cute kitties :)
>Almost all flea and tick prevention treatments involve some form of >poisonous or toxic substances. The question for pet owners is what is the [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] >> OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY >> CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Jim D - 20 May 2004 18:07 GMT Frontline is a flea and tick "drop" product licensed by Merial. (Frontline and Merial are registered trademarks.) Merial is a Merck and Aventis company.
Since the product Frontline competes with Bayer's Advantage, I thought it only fair to report on the relative safety of the active ingredient used in Frontline to kill fleas and ticks - which is Fipronil. Extracts from the websites PubMed and Toxnet indicate that Fipronil might be of concern to pet owners because the toxic effect is released onto the animals fur through hair follicles. Those pet owners that come into frequent or extended contact with their animals may want to consider whether to use Frontline because the Fipronil can be transmitted to the owner through contact. Toxicology for humans is not well tested at this time because Fipronil is a relatively new product.
Rev Environ Contam Toxicol. 2003;176:1-66.
Fipronil: environmental fate, ecotoxicology, and human health concerns.
Tingle CC, Rother JA, Dewhurst CF, Lauer S, King WJ.
Natural Resources Institute, University of Greenwich at Medway, Central Avenue, Chatham Maritime, Kent ME4 4TB, UK.
...as fipronil is a relatively new insecticide that has not been in use for long enough to evaluate the risk it may pose to human health, from data on human exposure to the product, a precautionary approach may be warranted. The use of some fipronil-based products on domestic animals is not recommended where handlers spend significant amounts of time grooming or handling treated animals. In general, it would appear unwise to use fipronil-based insecticides without accompanying environmental and human health monitoring, in situations, regions, or countries where it has not been used before, and where its use may lead to its introduction into the wider environment or bring it into contact with people. Further work is needed on the impacts of fipronil on nontarget vertebrate fauna (amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals) in the field before the risk to wildlife from this insecticide can be adequately validated.
Vet Hum Toxicol. 2002 Oct;44(5):301-3.
Human exposure to fipronil from dogs treated with frontline.
Jennings KA, Canerdy TD, Keller RJ, Atieh BH, Doss RB, Gupta RC.
Department of Agriculture, Murray State University, KY 42071-1906, USA.
This investigation determined fipronil residues on gloves worn while petting dogs after Frontline application. Frontline contains 9.8% fipronil, which controls fleas and ticks on dogs for at least 30 d. Frontline (1.34 ml) was applied topically on adult household dogs and gloves worn for 5 min during pettingwere collected 24 hr and 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 w post-Frontline application for fipronil residue determinations using GC/MS. The highest concentration of fipronil (589.3 +/- 205.7ppm) was detected 24 h after Frontline application and was undetectable in the gloves collected at 5w. Repeated exposure to such contamination can pose human health risks.
While I do not have an opinion regarding the home web site, the following page is a thorough source for information regarding Fipronil. Most of the information is highly technical and can be difficult to wade through.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/fipronil.abstracts.htm
> Almost all flea and tick prevention treatments involve some form of > poisonous or toxic substances. The question for pet owners is what is the [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Knack - 21 May 2004 07:10 GMT I'm a firm believer in the old saloon saying "Name your poison." ;-)
For example, there are many millions of religious people in the world who swear that eating pork is extremely unhealthy, yet while avoiding pork they will consume beef having twice as much saturated fat as pork (comparing equal serving size).
We all make decisions in our lives about what risks we take, and sometimes it's a risk just to take no action at all.
Moreover our time is valuable too. Many of us chose the cat as our pet partly because it requires the least care; to a large extent a cat takes care of itself, and we like that quality about them. Not all of us have a couple hours per week to spend ridding our yards of tiny pests, and also combing/picking thru the fur of our multiple cats to eliminate those little buggers.
Several years ago I got cured of Lyme (tick) disease, but in the future I'll take whatever practical, economical, and time-efficient measures are necessary to prevent myself and my family from getting that disease. If that means assuming some other far lesser risk to myself, my family or my pets, then so be it.
> Almost all flea and tick prevention treatments involve some form of > poisonous or toxic substances. The question for pet owners is what is the [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US. Kara Tyson - 21 May 2004 14:46 GMT > Several years ago I got cured of Lyme (tick) disease, but in the future I'll > take whatever practical, economical, and time-efficient measures are > necessary to prevent myself and my family from getting that disease. If that > means assuming some other far lesser risk to myself, my family or my pets, > then so be it. __________________ You are fortunate to have gotten rid of it!
I wear a flea/tick collar around my ankles if I am going to be out for any length of time.
Kara Tyson Lyme Disease Support Group of AL
Knack - 22 May 2004 04:49 GMT > > Several years ago I got cured of Lyme (tick) disease, but in the future I'll > > take whatever practical, economical, and time-efficient measures are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Kara Tyson > Lyme Disease Support Group of AL What an idea. I never thought of that.
The key to getting cured of Lyme is early treatment. When you must wait for antibiotics after you've had the disease just long enough to show up on a blood test, it's sometimes already too far advanced to treat. Best to get a clinical diagnosis while the tell-tale skin lesion is freshly visible.
I know 3 people who have spent a lot of money trying to unsuccessfully treat their Lyme disease over the years. Two of them have slight Bell's palsy from the infection :-(
Are you a sufferer?
Kara Tyson - 22 May 2004 15:05 GMT > Are you a sufferer? ____________ I am/was. I say I am in remission and hope it doesnt come back. It took about 4 1/2 years of treatment for Lyme and Babesiosis.
Kara Tyson
James Marz - 21 May 2004 16:34 GMT > We look after a large bunch of cats at a farm. Some live outside, some > come inside. But 90% very freindly and NOT feral. > The cats are getting LOTS of TICKS right now. (And I had one stuck to > my neck too, from holding cat). > WHAT CAN WE DO THAT IS CHEAPEST to stop TICKS?? Most ticks are easily bribed. Have you tried paying the little blood-suckers off?
> We have heard the drops are BEST, but expensive like at 10.00 a dose, > and vet fees. THese cats only go to a vet in emergency (just spent > 300.00 to get a tail cut in half that was broken). So that's not an > option. WE SAW ONE PERSON MENTION DOG DOSE and split it? > Can you just buy it?, We have no dogs. Why do you have cats, if you have no dogs to feed them to?
> SOOOO, we are trying collars?, DO THEY WORK?, Which are best? > We have tried HARTZ, but see people say STAY away from their drops. > So are the collars SAFE?, What about other brands?, ANY OTHER over > the counter drops besides hartz? (NOTE: we have used Hartz Ear Mite > Drops with NO problems is that OK?, or did it even work?). Hartz is the number one OTC brand collar for pets. I love their products. I have never had a problem with any of their products, other than the occasional foaming at the mouth by a couple of cats, but it is survival of the fittest right?
> ALSO we have kittens and nursing mothers. What can be put on the > nursing mothers?? (as they go outside). I prefer Kerosene, K-1 works the best just don't use the type with dye in it.
> SO, our questions are. What would be the CHEAPEST way to stop ticks > on a bunch of cats. (that works and is safe). Hartz brand products are cheapest and safest, but k-1 keosene works best.
> can anyone recommend any vets who would offer LOW COST, REDUCED > COST. FIXING, and ADVANTAGE in southern NH. FOr a large bunch of cats. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > OH, one more question. WHAT'S BEST WAY TO REMOVE TICKS? from cat? > (if it's attached) A propane blow-torch works well for me. It removes the tick with the head still attached to avoid Lyme disease and infections.
> Reply to group prefered. Or REMOVE remove from email to reply > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > OH, AND ANYONE IN SOUTH CENTRAL NH, WANT SOME NICE FRIENDLY > CATS, KITTENS, CONTACT US.
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