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Matthew - 13 Nov 2007 09:27 GMT
I HAD TO RUSH PHANTOM TO THE 24 HOUR VET CLINIC.

SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE HE WENT RUNNING THRU THE HOUSE LIKE HE WAS IN A CAT
FIGHT.  HISSING SCREAMING CATERWAULING LIKE HE WAS FIGHTING or SOMETHING.  I
WENT  out to find out what was wrong and ended up chasing him thru the house
where him and Rumble tangled but I think it was from being to close he ended
up in the front window in the curtains.  I grabbed him to calm him down and
to see what was wrong.  I got many war wounds from it.  I got him in a
carrier to separate him.  He was still growling and fussing  for a little
while.  I called the clinic to tell them I was coming.  He calmed down a bit
and actually purred  but when I opened the cage to touch him he was fine
till I touched his back legs.  He growled a little bit at me.  So we rushed
him to the vet we got there nothing was wrong you could touch him with no
problems.   He was able to walk.  Did discover a minor heart murmur but he
is 13 going on 14. The exam turned up nothing. So fine observe him tonight
if an problems take to regular vet in morning.  Who will be called first
thing when he opens here today.

Well we get home let him out.  No problems I go to find all the cats since
it was a scary moment for them.  I found rumble right off. He walked by
Phantom no aggression.  Ka'Shay came out of hiding but still is very
nervous.  Found spirit hiding under my bed scared sh@tless.  Phantom came in
the room  saw Spirit and it started all over again.  He took off doing the
same thing as above.  Spirit got under the rest of the bed and urinated all
over himself.  I got a hold of him and cleaned him up as best I could.
Cleaned up the mess what I could.  I took him in the bathroom.  He was
scared motionless while I ran the water over his back end.  He gave me a
look of pure fear.  I have never seen that before.   I put him in the
bathroom to calm down a bit so I could go and find Phantom who was hiding
under a bed.  He was growling and hissing for awhile  finally talked him out
put him in the carrier which he was doing his best to get out.  I decided to
get spirit out of the bathroom and let him run loose and put Phantom in the
bathroom with a litter pan for the night.  Spirit is under mom's be scared
out of his mind.  Ka'shay is hiding somewhere. Limo is hiding under the same
bed as spirit.  Rumble is somewhere.

I have no idea why this started to night  none of them are aggressive
towards on another.  They were all fine before hand.

I don't know if they saw another cat thru the window but they have never
been like this before when we had tom's coming around.  I am hoping for a
calmness in the morning.
wayofcats@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2007 12:08 GMT
Sometimes mysterious cat fights occur when one cat is fighting
illness, and then the frustration becomes too much. I'm glad to hear
he checked out okay, but I wonder if the other cats don't sense
something?
RowwwHissssPurr - 13 Nov 2007 18:07 GMT
> I have no idea why this started to night  none of them are aggressive
> towards on another.  They were all fine before hand.
>
> I don't know if they saw another cat thru the window but they have
> never been like this before when we had tom's coming around.  I am
> hoping for a calmness in the morning.

Sounds familiar. Our cats do that too.

All our cats are male, indoor and neutered. Our very large 19" tall Siamese
mix Xerces (who "raised" the younger males) is a gentle patron until he
sees another cat outside. At that point he goes into a rage, hissing and
growling through the patio door. If one of our other cats is even on the
first floor of the house he will hiss and growl at him until he runs off or
hides behind one of us.

The good news is that the younger cats would vanish as soon as they saw him
getting agitated. The bad news is that they have started to sit next to him
and growl and hiss with him until they sense Xerces is getting too
agitated. Watching learned behavior is cute, but not so cute when it wakes
you up at 4 A.M.

Two hours after the incident everyone is happy to play and snuggle
together.

Xerces was rescued from a life of hunting and scavenging. We attribute his
territorialism to his early history. Were your cats ever outside cats or
rescued from a survival situation where territory was essential to
survival?  

If your other cats have enough space to hide they should be OK. Eventually
they will learn when to take the clues to leave and find a safe warm spot.
Matthew - 13 Nov 2007 19:11 GMT
>I HAD TO RUSH PHANTOM TO THE 24 HOUR VET CLINIC.
>
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> been like this before when we had tom's coming around.  I am hoping for a
> calmness in the morning.

the vets thinks it might be worse than that.  I just got
back from the vet.  I have phantom separated in the bathroom.  He will be in
there for the next couple days till this is worked out.  The vet took blood
and is doing a full work up.  He thinks if it is not behavioral it might be
thyroid.  He did detect the heart murmur in Phantom

Spirit is still hiding and has not eaten. I have never seen him this scared
before. Rumble ate this morning but went back into hiding.  Ka'shay is
hiding. Limo I is back out doing her thing but is anxious.  I gave phantom
some food just a minute ago.  I know he will eat.

I already talked to the vet he said if it is behavioral  Phantom will
probably be put on valium.  He recommended Feliway but as we all know it
takes time to work.  I have already looked at get a large kennel where I can
keep Phantom and dumplin' apart if I need to put Phantom to be permanent
separate from the rest of the pack.

Blood work comes back in a couple days
RowwwHissssPurr - 13 Nov 2007 19:50 GMT
> took blood and is doing a full work up.  He thinks if it is not
> behavioral it might be thyroid.  He did detect the heart murmur in
> Phantom

Thyro-tabs for cats can easily and cheaply fix a thyroid chemical problem.
However, the root cause of ostensible thyroid imbalance is often much more
serious.

> I already talked to the vet he said if it is behavioral  Phantom will
> probably be put on valium.  He recommended Feliway but as we all know

Valium does not seem to me to be a really good idea until all the other
root causes of the behavioral change are completely discarded, including
all of the carcinomas which can cause localized internal pain.

There could just have been a very negative interaction between Phantom and
one of the other cats during the night which you did not see. If so, time
will work the relationship out.

We are hoping the best for Phantom and his cat buddies.
Matthew - 13 Nov 2007 20:09 GMT
>> took blood and is doing a full work up.  He thinks if it is not
>> behavioral it might be thyroid.  He did detect the heart murmur in
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> However, the root cause of ostensible thyroid imbalance is often much more
> serious.

I hope it something very simple  He is getting to be an old man and now that
we know that he has a heart murmur. He is a 12.2 lb grumpy old man

>> I already talked to the vet he said if it is behavioral  Phantom will
>> probably be put on valium.  He recommended Feliway but as we all know
>
> Valium does not seem to me to be a really good idea until all the other
> root causes of the behavioral change are completely discarded, including
> all of the carcinomas which can cause localized internal pain.

the valum would be used to calm the situation till it can be set in place

> There could just have been a very negative interaction between Phantom and
> one of the other cats during the night which you did not see. If so, time
> will work the relationship out.

It is more than that it is still going on this morning hours later and
involved me.

They have had their problems but never anyhting even close to the category
this morning

> We are hoping the best for Phantom and his cat buddies.

Thanks
Sheelagh>o< - 14 Nov 2007 14:44 GMT
> I HAD TO RUSH PHANTOM TO THE 24 HOUR VET CLINIC.
>
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> been like this before when we had tom's coming around.  I am hoping for a
> calmness in the morning.

I am ever so sorry to hear of the problems that you have been through
with all of your cats Matthew. As I have never experienced this
problem personally, I am not the right person to advise you. However,
I do hope that this sorts itself out. If it comes to penning him, then
you will have to. I am hoping that this one will sort itself out in
time though.

The biggest problem of course, is although we can't talk cat, but cats
can understand human even if they refuse to speak it, Lol....
I don't mean to make light of this situation- Merely making the point
that I wish we could understand what is wrong when things like this
happen. If we could understand, we could sort the problem out ASAP.

Best of luck with him, & keep us updated if you would please?
TIA,
Sheelagh >"o"<

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