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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2007Abcessed tooth
I think I inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes are crusty, and he has a slight limp. On top of that he is whizzing so bad, he sound asthmatic. So we double teamed the cat and gave him a bath. I took a tooth brush to his teeth and there was blood everywhere. It is Saturday, and the cat will not be able to go to the vet till Monday. What do I do in the mean time, if anything. Shall I keep draining the abcess? >I think I inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He > smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What do I do in the mean time, if anything. Shall I keep draining the > abcess? -------- An abcess needs to be drained whether by you or the vet. However, based on the symptoms you describe above, you still need to get the cat to the vet ASAP. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > > smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes > > are crusty, and he has a slight limp. On top of that he is whizzing so [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Yeah, but what do I do till then. He is eating, he is grooming himself. I am going to rewash him tomorrow, and work some more on his mouth, as far as draining the abcess. I can say that his smelly breath is much better. I am getting alot of blood out of his mouth, so I am not sure if I am doing more good than harm. I am using a tooth brush, and not applying alot of pressure. This is truly gross. > I am getting alot of blood out of his mouth, so I am not sure if I am > doing more good than harm. I am using a tooth brush, and not applying > alot of pressure. > > This is truly gross. You are a complete a.s for not taking your cat to a vet. You never take a toothbrush made for people to a cat's mouth. He's ingesting poisons, at the very least. a.shole. >> I am getting alot of blood out of his mouth, so I am not sure if I am >> doing more good than harm. I am using a tooth brush, and not applying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a toothbrush made for people to a cat's mouth. He's ingesting poisons, > at the very least. a.shole. As you define others, so do you define yourself...... In an effort to be more helpful, I didn't see the OP make mention of pus actually being drained from a particular spot. It could be a general gum inflammation such as gingivitis, caused by bacterial irritation. This would account for blood throughout the mouth. Gingivitis will cause bleeding with very little pressure. Agreed, the cat needs to see the vet since the treatment for either cause will involve prescribed meds. See, offering opinion without name calling was easy. > > I am getting alot of blood out of his mouth, so I am not sure if I am > > doing more good than harm. I am using a tooth brush, and not applying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a toothbrush made for people to a cat's mouth. He's ingesting poisons, > at the very least. a.shole. ahhh thanks, I said I was going to take him on Monday. Yesterday was Saturday, and today is Sunday. I was trying to figure out what to do in the mean time. I did rewash him and shave him, and it helped with the fur situation. "MEG" <megchandler@gmail.com> wrote : There are plenty of vets open on Saturdays, and emergency care vets that are open all weekend including at night. How did he get into this horrible condition, Meg? > "MEG" <megchand...@gmail.com> wrote : > > There are plenty of vets open on Saturdays, and emergency care vets > that are open all weekend including at night. > > How did he get into this horrible condition, Meg? The hair issue is definitely a new development. I assume it is his new coat coming in, and the old coat needing to be removed. He enjoyed being clipped and brushed, and he does not look funny. All I did was thin his coat. The runny eye has been that way from day one, and yes it has been treated with tetracycline to no avail. I was told it was conginital. He is literally was an sickly inbred stray. He is not the brightest cat. The artheritis is age, right? He is ten. His gait is off, and it must hurt for him to turn his head to groom his back. The doctor and I have discussed this before. The wheezing was treated with steriods once upon a time. The tooth is the only acute issue at the momemt. He has had teeth removed before, so I assume this is what will happen this time. I was more worried about the blood and infection but it seems to have cleared up. There was nothing else coming out when I looked at his mouth. The drooling has stopped. He is just a very sickly cat. He always has been. My other two are very healthy. We feed him some vet approved food, he stays indoors mostly, and we change his litter box often. He is loved and petted daily, (he demands that you pay attention to him). There is only so much one can do, genetics do play a role in the health of an animal. Well thanks for calling me an a.shole. It is NOT an abscessed tooth, it is oral cancer. This explains alot of his declining health. The vet gave him a steriod shot and a round of antibiotics, on the off chance it is an infection. We are going to reevaluate next week. If the inflammation is not better, the next step is biopsy, IF we decide to go that far. Thanks for the help. I really did think it was an abscessed tooth. > Well thanks for calling me an a.shole. It is NOT an abscessed tooth, > it is oral cancer. This explains alot of his declining health. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks for the help. I really did think it was an abscessed tooth. Meg, I am really sorry he has cancer. You know very well that you should have taken him to the vet earlier, when you first noticed the smell. Can you imagine the pain you caused him? It was very irresponsible of you to do what you did to him, and you know that. >>Well thanks for calling me an a.shole. It is NOT an abscessed tooth, >>it is oral cancer. This explains alot of his declining health. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It was very irresponsible of you to do what you did to him, and you know > that. holy cow, what an insensitive jerk. Galloping Clippers <galclip@hotmail.com> wrote: > cybercat wrote: >> Meg, I am really sorry he has cancer. You know very well that you >> should have taken him to the vet earlier, when you first noticed >> the smell. Can you imagine the pain you caused him? >> >> It was very irresponsible of you to do what you did to him, and >> you know that. > holy cow, what an insensitive jerk. If she were civil (enough to be around) and trustworthy, in person you could ask "Do you care about this cat more than I do?" A reply author should consider that question as if they were speaking with the author in person. >>> Meg, I am really sorry he has cancer. You know very well that you >>> should have taken him to the vet earlier, when you first noticed [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > author should consider that question as if they were speaking with > the author in person. I hardly think you are in a position to offer advice, Mark. lol > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message > news:5c2Yi.3040$3Z2.142 nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I hardly think That's your problem. > lol The sound from within your head. > Path: newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net!newsdst02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.org!news2.arglkargh.de!feeder.erje.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail > From: "cybercat" <cyberpurrs yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Xref: prodigy.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:466676 > X-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:51:34 EST (newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net) I love cats. I also love my family and do not beat them. You cannot trust John Doe, really loser Mark Bender. If he beat his wife, then he could be beating cats. See dossier below. Martin Markoe (harassed by John Doe one too many times) 29-10947 Mark O. Bender 7/25/2007 Dossier REQUEST OF CLIENT On July 24, 2007, Martin Markoe with eMicrophones, Inc. contacted XXXX & Associates, with the request for a full background/dossier on Mr. Mark O. Bender. SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION Our office found Mr. Mark Bender's current address is 509 Frost, SATX 78201, to be owned by Ms. Gloria Trevino. There are many rental homes in this area. Mr. Bender has never owned property. He does not own a vehicle. He doesn't have a TX Driver's license. He does have a TX State ID. He has been arrested twice for Assault/Family/Domestic Violence. Both charges were dismissed. There is a possibility that the "Mark Bender" named in the Bexar County Civil case for damages could be the same Mark Orrin Bender with in this report. The court documents would to be ordered at any additional cost to the client. Custom Comprehensive Report Date: 07/24/07 Report processed by: KELMAR AND ASSOCIATES M16489 2553 JACKSON KELLER STE 200 San Antonio, TX 78230 (210) 342-0509 Main Phone (210) 342-0731 Fax Report Legend: - Shared Address - Deceased - Probable Current Address Subject Information: Name: MARK ORRIN BENDER DOB:01/22/1957 SSN: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and 12/31/1973 Age: 50 Others Associated With Subjects SSN: (DOES NOT usually indicate any type of fraud or deception) [None Found] Comprehensive Report Summary: (Click on Link to see detail) Names Associated With Subject: None Found Others Associated With Subjects SSN: None Found Bankruptcies: None Found Liens and Judgments: None Found UCC Filings: None Found People at Work: None Found Driver's License: None Found Address(es) Found: 1 Verified and 5 Non-Verified Found Possible Properties Owned: None Found Motor Vehicles Registered: None Found Watercraft: None Found FAA Certifications: None Found FAA Aircrafts: None Found Possible Criminal Records: 1 Found Sexual Offenses: None Found Professional Licenses: None Found Voter Registration: 1 Found Hunting/Fishing Permit: None Found Concealed Weapons Permit: None Found Possible Associates: None Found Possible Relatives: 1st Degree - None Found 2nd Degree - None Found 3rd Degree - None Found Neighbors: 1st Neighborhood - 3 Found 2nd Neighborhood - None Found 3rd Neighborhood - 2 Found Bankruptcies: [None Found] Liens and Judgments: [None Found] UCC Filings: [None Found] People at Work: [None Found] Driver's License/State ID Information: Texas ID Detail: Name BENDER,MARK ORRIN License number 20826255 Address 5320 BLANCO #1803 DOB Jan 22 1957 Class I City/Zip SAN ANTONIO 78216 Last transaction date Apr 9 2003 Last transaction Original, not permit or MRDL Above information as provided by state - Our annotations are below Address (click to find others) 5320 Blanco Rd Apt 1803 City/State/Zip (click to find others) San Antonio , TX 78216-7052 Address Summary: 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007) 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003) 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999) 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992) 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY Active Address(es): MARK O BENDER - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007) Current phones listed at this address: BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107 TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743 Property Ownership Information for this Address Property: Parcel Number - 08441-026-0240 Lot Number - 24 Owner Name 1 - TREVINO GLORIA C Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY Owner's Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY Land Usage - SFR Total Value - $79,610 Land Value - $13,230 Improvement Value - $66,380 Land Size - 9,000 Year Built - 1926 Homestead Exemption - YES Exterior Walls - STUCCO Roof Type - ASPHALT SHINGLE Air Conditioning - AC.CENTRAL Heating - FORCED AIR Sale Price - $0 Legal Description - NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT 24 & 25 & 26 Data Source - A Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 37 Median Household Income: $38,438 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $47,100 Average Years of Education: 10 Previous And Non-Verified Address(es): MARK ORRIN BENDER - 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003) Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 30 Median Household Income: $32,417 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $50,100 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999) SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 32 Median Household Income: $18,304 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992) NIMITZ APARTMENTS (210) 341-5285 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 29 Median Household Income: $23,611 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $65,500 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 32 Median Household Income: $18,304 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY SAN ANTONIO STATION (210) 614-3679 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 41 Median Household Income: $31,783 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $111,800 Average Years of Education: 14 Possible Properties Owned by Subject: [None Found] Motor Vehicles Registered To Subject: [None Found] Possible Criminal Records: Texas Arrest Report: Name: MARK BEDNER SSN: 507-82-xxxx Address: 5200 BLANCO RD 407, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7074 State of Origin: Texas County of Origin: Bexar Party Status: REL'D ON P-R BOND DOB: 01/22/1957 Race: White Sex: Male Eyes: BLUE Height: 5' 06" Weight: 160 Arrests: Arrest #1 Case Type: Arrest Date: 01/25/1987 Arresting Agency: Arrest Type: Arrest Disposition Date: 01/25/1987 Court Fine: Offense: ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY Arrest Statute: Agency Case #: 366381 Arrest Level/Degree: Class A Misdemeanor Arrest Disposition: BOOKED CASE NUMBER 366381 displayed successfully Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System 07/24/2007 Texas Case Page 10:46:19 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------?---- Court Case Number Defendant Name Date of CR7 366381 BEDNER, MARK Birth 01/22/1957 Offense Description Level Sex: MALE 02/21/1986 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race: WHITE Location : CLOSED Last Setting: Grand Jury: 05/13/1986 FILED Case Status: 06/29/1987 *** JN CLOSED *** Disposition : 06/29/1987 DSMD-INTRST JUSTCE Judgement : Bond: CLS 06/29/1987 1500.00 Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS, PERSONAL Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy Hrs MIKE HERVEY 9546500 Term: Fine: Court Cost: CASE NUMBER 348742 displayed successfully Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System 07/25/2007 Texas Case Page 09:57:05 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------?---- Court Case Number Defendant Name Date of CR7 348742 BEDNER, MARK Birth 01/22/1957 Offense Description eMicrophones, Inc Martin Markoe harasses, stalks, and violates the privacy of innocent people who have nothing to do with eMicrophones Inc spam or its malicious practices. By itself, eMicrophones, Inc willingness to push microphones on disabled users whose problems have nothing to do with a microphone provides insight into their malicious character. Anyone can express his (or her) opinion here on USENET, but advertising is not allowed except in groups specifically labeled for selling things like *forsale* and *marketplace*. Following are a few quotes to help illustrate the annoyance and frustration eMicrophones, Inc spam from Martin Markoe causes users seeking help in the speech recognition group and why advertising is prohibited on USENET with explicitly labeled exceptions. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/3becc9fa6c340ffc? You are not a technologist. You sell microphones. Marty, how come whenever someone disagrees with you, you get into this high school urinating contest mode? Actually I can't find your credentials anywhere either, except as a guy selling something. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/473a2b3f9dd6a0f0? Man you really are full of yourself! Just leave me alone. I asked you a question. Silly me, I wanted to know what I was buying before I bought it. How absurd! I then get email after email after email from you telling me that you won't answer my question and trying to justify it. Lets cut the crap. You won't answer my question. I won't buy from you. So now go away and let me get USEFUL information from someone who will be honest with me instead of evasive, devisive and insulting! http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/d256b8b7563712e9? More importantly I am not here touting my business. A position which makes anything you say suspect, doesn't it. I have been watching this group for a long time and you have managed to turn it into the eMicrophones, Inc. mail list. Almost no one with expertise posts here any longer. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/6014c0e38032578f? Is anyone else beyond annoyed with the two pathetically desperate "small business owners" that have driven this group into the ground? I subscribed 6 months ago hoping to learn something about the "state-of-the-art" in voice recognition from the user's perspective. All I've managed to learn is that most users are apparently being ripped off by over-charging slimy weaseloid microphone hawkers. Martin Markoe and Mr. "speaktoyourpc.com", I beg you to consider the number of potential customers you're pissing off before you further demonstrate your witlessness by posting again. Your childish King-of-the-Group games should've stopped a loooong time ago. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/3b57c2d47a1d5994? Well said...Refreshing. [That in response to the prior message.] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/ce73180162c1d199? ... dealing with you on the newsgroups is not an easy thing and most always turns into some type of flaming war. ... you do get into fights with many regarding microphones and you do wave your website around more often than necessary and you don't always tell the truth about competitive products. I didn't respond because I simply did not want to get into another fight which is the reason my posts have been very light in the last few months. Here are my qualifications. Certified and trained for Philips SpeechMagic, IBM ViaVoice, IBM Medspeak, Kurzweil VoiceMed, Dragon NaturallySpeaking Enterprise & L&H VoiceXpress... So please, don't call me a "Charlatan" because it is simply not true. And believe me when I tell you that some users actually get better recognition from $20 headsets than with $100 headsets. I see vendors posting all the time and as long as you are not a member of the newsgroup, there aren't constant one-up battles. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/ba6cc5fd879272fd? After getting caught with his pants down regarding his so called privacy policy, Martin continues to make a complete a.s out of himself. With this pattern of behaviour, the next step is usually stalking--email stalking (... to menacingly spread deceit) [Martin Markoe does that.] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/84f362b69d93a460? ... you don't see the authors in all the newsgroups in a constant battle. Only with you Marty. I have seen posts from you that link to as many as 8 direct links to your website (all in one post) and your signatures fall within 5 or 10 lines long. In my book, that's called SPAMMING. ... about 2 weeks ago, you claimed to have sold thousands of GN MPA Satellites. I know for a fact that is not true. Guess what Marty.... I have a life. I don't have time to live on the newsgroups as you do. This is the 2nd time you have mentioned me being moderated on user groups. Last time, you apologized about confusing me with someone else. YOU ARE OUT OF CONTROL MARTY MARKOE. Marty, your constant abuse on these newsgroups... must come to an end. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.speech.users/msg/5585a5e972b1cc1c? I give up. I've dealt with delusional people like you before, and it leads to nowhere... you continue attacking people who are FAR more experienced and qualified than you, not to mention professional. See also: "Martin Markoe" <martin emicrophones.com> ... <martin speechcontrol.com> ... <mmarkoe optonline.net> "Michael Mendick" <michael emicrophones.com> billyrichbroker yahoo.com ************************************************************ Path: newssvr27.news.prodigy.net!newsdbm04.news.prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!news.astraweb.com!router1.astraweb.com!indigo.octanews.net!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "mmarkoe optonline.net" <mmarkoe optonline.net> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: Mark Orrin Bender aka John Doe - life's biggest loser Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:41:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 366 Message-ID: <1194399685.003311.262240 19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> References: <1194138147.174439.140030 y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> <472d327b$0$20618$4c368faf roadrunner.com> <1194146371.301006.155630 50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <fgjdvv$81o$1 aioe.org> <1194218796.941652.43330 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> <1194362339.339133.307210 50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <fgq4ek$rm8$1 aioe.org> <4730a89d$0$25705$4c368faf roadrunner.com> <5c2Yi.3040$3Z2.142 nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> <fgqk4k$gcj$1 aioe.org> <6x5Yi.978$0Q5.591 nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.119.117.84 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1194399685 32020 127.0.0.1 (7 Nov 2007 01:41:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:41:25 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <6x5Yi.978$0Q5.591 nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com Injection-Info: 19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.119.117.84; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: prodigy.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:466685 <snipped eMicrophones Inc violating the privacy of people who have nothing to do with Martin Markoe's malicious practices> >eMicrophones, Inc Martin Markoe harasses, stalks, and violates the reported to abuse@prodigy.net as spam. > eMicrophones, Inc Martin Markoe harasses, stalks, and violates the Just shut the hell up, Mark Bender. You brought all of this on yourself. Suck it up. > Just shut the hell up, Mark Bender. You brought all of this on yourself. > Suck it up. He can't. He is a pathetic stalker and can't take what he dishes out. Martin the cat lover (and wary of domestic violence provocateur Mark Bender aka John Dope) "mmarkoe optonline.net" <mmarkoe optonline.net> wrote: > Martin the cat lover Obviously you aren't here to talk about your love of cats, but if you're in fact a cat lover, Martin Markoe, you'll be talking about your cats here? > Path: newssvr29.news.prodigy.net!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: "mmarkoe optonline.net" <mmarkoe optonline.net> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Injection-Info: o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.119.117.84; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 > Xref: prodigy.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:466700 >> eMicrophones, Inc Martin Markoe harasses, stalks, and violates the >Just shut the hell up, Mark Bender. You brought all of this on yourself. >Suck it up. forward complaints to abuse@prodigy.net > > Well thanks for calling me an a.shole. It is NOT an abscessed tooth, > > it is oral cancer. This explains alot of his declining health. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It was very irresponsible of you to do what you did to him, and you know > that. The only way he will be out of pain is to be put down. That is assuming he has pain. The only sign I see of pain is the lack of grooming, (maybe it hurts to turn his head?). He is not on any pain medication now. There are no plans to put him on pain medication. I took him to the vet as soon as I could. It was the weekend, and it was at night. I posted here to see if there was anything to do regarding an abscess. I will know better than to seek help here next time. I guess chastising a person for not living up to some arbitrary standard is okay in your book. You could be using this forum to educate and help people instead of making them afraid to ask for help. It is moot now anyway. Enjoy judging people and not helping them. It really endures people to your cause. "MEG" <megchandler@gmail.com> wrote:. > The only way he will be out of pain is to be put down. Is it supposed to be a surprise that this is all you will be willing to do to help him? After the little good you have already done? >That is > assuming he has pain. The only sign I see of pain is the lack of > grooming, (maybe it hurts to turn his head?). He is not on any pain > medication now. There are no plans to put him on pain medication. You really are an idiot. Cats don't show pain. Did you think that he felt no pain while you were terrifying him with a bath and making his mouth bleed with that tooth brush? > I took him to the vet as soon as I could. Horse sh.t. It took a long time for him to come to smell that bad. It was the weekend, and it > was at night. I posted here to see if there was anything to do > regarding an abscess. I will know better than to seek help here next > time. That is excellent. Because the place to go for help when your cat is in the kind of condition yours is would be a VET. > I guess chastising a person for not living up to some arbitrary > standard is okay in your book. You could be using this forum to > educate and help people instead of making them afraid to ask for > help. I want a.sholes like you to be afraid to come here before you take your poor, suffering, neglected animals to a vet. > It is moot now anyway. Enjoy judging people and not helping them. It > really endures people to your cause. Um, right. Anything to "endure" people to my "cause." CYBER CAT, honestly please tell me, what should I do at this point? Do you really think putting him down is the only thing I will now do to help him? He has had a steriod shot, and antibiotics. We are going to reevalute the inflammation in a week, to see if it has gone down. Then he is looking at having a biopsy done, and beyond that, the doctor said we would most likely have to remove his jaw bone? Is this really a quality life for a cat? Yes, at some point he will have to be put down. But it will not be this week. I am pureeing his wet food and helping with his grooming. And to say I have done little good up to this point? Why do you say that? Because I bathed my cat, and clipped him? Because I took a cat toothbrush briefly to his teeth? Because I looked to the Internet for help (late at night and on the weekend) when I had no where else to turn? He is up to date on his shots, he see the vet annually, he is fixed, he eats some yuppy urinary tract food. He is loved daily, and stays indoors most of the time. He has two other cats as companions, and his litter box is changed often. Why are you judging me? Aren't we both on the side of a cat's health and well being? How is the average person suppose to know a cat does not show pain? What make you think I terrified my cat? He enjoyed being clipped. How do you know how long it took me to take him to the vet? How was I to know that bad breath warranted a doctor's visit? I noticed his breath, and thought it was his food, or his teeth needed to be brushed. What does a person do when they cannot get to a vet right away? I would think turning to the Internet would be a resource people could use when they have no other choice before them. He did go to the vet as soon as I could get him to one. I thought I was facing an acute problem, but it turns out to be a chronic problem. Going to an emergency vet, as it turns out, would have been a waste of money, (since the problem is chronic). There was no broken bone, and there was no great lose of blood. The emergency vet is far away, highly expensive, and I would have been in a questionable part of town very late at night. I would have done it if the situation warranted it, but it did not. Some day there is going to be a child coming here looking for help. I pity that child if he or she has to face someone as cold and mean as you. Cybercat, I am glad you have your cats and your Internet friends, because I am sure you are a lonely and sad person. When I do put my cat down, and it will happen eventually, I will take great pleasure in knowing that it will piss you off. > CYBER CAT, honestly please tell me, what should I do at this point? > Do you really think putting him down is the only thing I will now do > to help him? That's what you said. He has had a steriod shot, and antibiotics. We are going > to reevalute the inflammation in a week, to see if it has gone down. > Then he is looking at having a biopsy done, and beyond that, the > doctor said we would most likely have to remove his jaw bone? Is this > really a quality life for a cat? Yes, at some point he will have to be > put down. But it will not be this week. You don't even know that he has cancer. He may not. > I am pureeing his wet food and helping with his grooming. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > help (late at night and on the weekend) when I had no where else to > turn? Yes to all. > He is up to date on his shots, he see the vet annually, he is fixed, > he eats some yuppy urinary tract food. He is loved daily, and stays > indoors most of the time. He has two other cats as companions, and his > litter box is changed often. Why are you judging me? Aren't we both on > the side of a cat's health and well being? No, I don't think we are. I would never take a tooth brush to a cat's mouth when it has a foul odor. You're telling me you take him to the vet every year, so this odor just appeared in the past year? > How is the average person suppose to know a cat does not show pain? > What make you think I terrified my cat? He enjoyed being clipped. You made his mouth bleed, you said there was a lot of blood and that it was "disgusting." > How do you know how long it took me to take him to the vet? How was I > to know that bad breath warranted a doctor's visit? I noticed his > breath, and thought it was his food, or his teeth needed to be > brushed. So now you want me to apologize because you're stupid? What does bad breath mean in a human? TOOTH decay, usually, which can cause serious disease. > What does a person do when they cannot get to a vet right away? I > would think turning to the Internet would be a resource people could > use when they have no other choice before them. He did go to the vet > as soon as I could get him to one. I thought I was facing an acute > problem, but it turns out to be a chronic problem. You're making no sense at all now. You thought it was acute? It WAS acute. You're calling it chronic now? That means it has been going on for a long time. But you take him to the vet every year, right? Horseshit. > Going to an emergency vet, as it turns out, would have been a waste > of money, (since the problem is chronic). There was no broken bone, > and there was no great lose of blood. The emergency vet is far away, > highly expensive, and I would have been in a questionable part of town > very late at night. I would have done it if the situation warranted > it, but it did not. Go re-read your post. You wrote: >> "I am getting alot of blood out of his mouth, so I am not sure if I am > > doing more good than harm. I am using a tooth brush, and not applying > > alot of pressure. > > > This is truly gross." So you could very well have taken him in, but it was inconvenient. Which is exactly what I thought. > Some day there is going to be a child coming here looking for help. I > pity that child if he or she has to face someone as cold and mean as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > When I do put my cat down, and it will happen eventually, I will > take great pleasure in knowing that it will piss you off. Now this sounds like the bitch who would take a toothbrush to her poor cat's painful mouth and make it bleed rather than take him to the vet. You're full of sh.t, Meg. Here's hoping your cat only has an infection and not oral cancer. However, as long as you're the one caring for him, he's basically f.cked anyway. You are an a.shole because you could have taken your cat to get professional care and instead you hurt him and made his mouth bleed and probably scared him to death too. > > CYBER CAT, honestly please tell me, what should I do at this point? ------Really, what would you do at this point? Honestly, tell me, I will do it. I am at a lost on what to do with a cat with cancer. > > Do you really think putting him down is the only thing I will now do > > to help him? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You don't even know that he has cancer. He may not. -------I hope he doesn't. But the vet was not very optimistic. He opened the mouth and showed me the area. It did not look like a tooth problem, but more like a swollen gum. > > I am pureeing his wet food and helping with his grooming. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yes to all. -------Aren't you suppose to brush a cat's teeth? I had a tooth brush given to me by the vet. It fits on the end of my finger. I have some special cat toothpaste. -------If a cat is not grooming himself, should you not help him groom himself? Why is this newsgroup here if not to help people with their cats health? > > He is up to date on his shots, he see the vet annually, he is fixed, > > he eats some yuppy urinary tract food. He is loved daily, and stays [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > mouth when it has a foul odor. You're telling me you take him to the vet > every year, so this odor just appeared in the past year? -------The odor appeared somewhat recently, like within the last month. > > How is the average person suppose to know a cat does not show pain? > > What make you think I terrified my cat? He enjoyed being clipped. > > You made his mouth bleed, you said there was a lot of blood and that it > was "disgusting." ------- It was disgusting. He mouth did bleed. I thought I ruptured an abscess. > > How do you know how long it took me to take him to the vet? How was I > > to know that bad breath warranted a doctor's visit? I noticed his [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > breath mean in a human? TOOTH decay, usually, which can cause serious > disease. -------Bad breath DOES NOT equal tooth decay in a person. I bet rarely is tooth decay a reason for bad breath. Bad breath is the first sign of a digestive problem. > > What does a person do when they cannot get to a vet right away? I > > would think turning to the Internet would be a resource people could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > acute. You're calling it chronic now? That means it has been going on > for a long time. But you take him to the vet every year, right? --------How is cancer acute? It was not an abscess. He bled, but it stopped. He lost maybe three tablespoons of blood, it was on a towel. > Horseshit. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > So you could very well have taken him in, but it was inconvenient. > Which is exactly what I thought. --------Inconvenient and unnecessary. > > Some day there is going to be a child coming here looking for help. I > > pity that child if he or she has to face someone as cold and mean as [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > poor cat's painful mouth and make it bleed rather than take him to > the vet. -----For someone who posts as much as you post, you obviously have a very unfulfilling and empty life. Curl up with your cats tonight, because I am sure you do not have a real person to curl up with. > You're full of sh.t, Meg. Here's hoping your cat only has an infection and > not oral cancer. However, as long as you're the one caring for him, he's > basically f.cked anyway. --------He is f.cked because he is getting medical care? > You are an a.shole because you could have taken your cat to get professional > care and instead you hurt him and made his mouth bleed and probably scared > him to death too. ----I did take my cat to get professional care. You are so easy to piss off. Why is that? > The only way he will be out of pain is to be put down. That is > assuming he has pain. The only sign I see of pain is the lack of > grooming, (maybe it hurts to turn his head?). He is not on any pain > medication now. There are no plans to put him on pain medication. I am sorry for what you are going through, both on this group and with your cat. Contrary to what some people here think, not everyone has access to a 24 hr vet. My parents, who live in a rural area, do not, for example. They can try to call their regular vet, but depending on his schedule, he may or may not be available. You were doing the best you could at the time. I wanted to add that it's sometimes hard to tell when a cat is in pain. They are masters at hiding it, so it's possible he's in pain but won't really show it. You know your cat best and will know when it's time to let go. Best wishes to you and your cat. I hope you can spend some quality time together. Thankyou Rene, that was a very sweet and nice post. : ) > > The only way he will be out of pain is to be put down. That is > > assuming he has pain. The only sign I see of pain is the lack of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Best wishes to you and your cat. I hope you can spend some quality > time together. > Thankyou Rene, that was a very sweet and nice post. : ) Mutual masturbation is a wonderful thing. The problem is, it really doesn't do much for your cat. > > Thankyou Rene, that was a very sweet and nice post. : ) > > Mutual masturbation is a wonderful thing. The problem is, it really doesn't > do much for your cat. I do believe you are the master of masturbation. Since you cannot get it anyother way. "MEG" <megchandler@gmail.com> Meg I am sorry your furball is going thru this but take some advice don't respond back to her it is only making it worse. She is on a ridiculous war path Also I would get a second vet opinion if it is cancer. >>Thankyou Rene, that was a very sweet and nice post. : ) > > Mutual masturbation is a wonderful thing. The problem is, it really doesn't > do much for your cat. How about worrying a little more about how you treat people? There are ways to get your point across without being rude. "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> What in the f@cking hell crawled up your a@@ Cyber Haven't you made what ever point you are getting at? I have stayed out of this thread after reading the first couple of responses seeing everyone else had it handle. Also I don't know much about abscesses. Than I saw all the responses decided to check it out and than I see the BS. What in the hell are you doing? You want to make people afraid to come here that is ridiculous and utter nonsense. WTF Did I just not have this argument a couple of weeks ago about NOT ASSUMING ABOUT THE OTHER POSTERS. GET OVER IT. Walk away all you are doing is putting yourself in a negative spotlight > "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Walk away all you are doing is putting yourself in a negative spotlight Matthew, you miserable a.shole. If you could get your big head out of your a.s, you would notice that I did not respond to this cat abusing bitch's last tirade. In fact, I did not read it. You belong in Anecdolts where the widdle feewings of the posters matter more than the most heinous things they do to their cats. Tell me you would allow your cat to become so ill that she develops a foul smell then instead of taking her in immediately, treat it aggressively yourself, and post to a f.cking Usenet group about how much blood there is and how "gross" it is? You're a bigger a.shole than Meg is for defending her. And furthermore, f.ck you.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > Matthew, you miserable a.shole. Proud of it when it comes to you throwing the comment. > If you could get your big head out of your a.s, you would notice that I > did not respond to this cat abusing bitch's last tirade. In fact, I did > not read it. No but you love to throw out the BS. And do your own little tirades > You belong in Anecdolts where the widdle feewings of the posters matter > more than the most heinous things they do to their cats. Oh the place where they kicked you out every one there kill filed you for doing what you are doing here. You are not there you are making assumptions but hey lets run our mouth and insult people > Tell me you would allow your cat to become so ill that she develops a foul > smell then instead of taking her in immediately, treat it aggressively > yourself, and post to a f.cking Usenet group about how much blood there is > and how "gross" it is? There is a differnece between me and them. I have experience. I have money to do what needs to be done. I have a 24 hour vet that is a dear friend and will do anything that he can to help. One of our good friends acts like one of them but we treat him with kit gloves. why is that?. And I mean nothing against him for I do care about him. > You're a bigger a.shole than Meg is for defending her. I take that as compliment from you Never defended her just told you to get over it. And if you look the response comes back to yours to Rene. I also told Meg not to respond back to you for it was making it worse. But hey lets jump the gun we all have done it before but what comes after is the important part. > And furthermore, f.ck you. Take a Midol, a warm soothing bath, get laid do something you are being a cranky pain in the a.s this week. I don't know what your problem is but get over it. People that do care about you are starting to get annoyed. Wow. I don't even want to show quoted text... I couldn't stomach reading the whole thread anyway. This situation is a prime example of why I can't read this group anymore. People like Meg who are too negligent, lazy and cheap to take their animals to the vet when they need to go to the vet. Meg, who had plenty of chances before resorting to torturing the poor thing... Unbelieveable. At the very least, an emergency vet, the kind that are open 24/7 is always an option and certainly a better option than poking around a sick cat's mouth, causing him unimagineable pain and fear, and then shaving and bathing him. I am stunned at the idiocy and cruelty by someone who claims to love cats. Meg, you suck. I don't even know what to say about your cat because it makes me sick that you could let him get that ill and then do what you did to him. That poor creature. One way or another, I hope he is relieved of his pain. Cyber, I used to think you were too harsh but not anymore. I can't believe people would defend Meg's behavior. I just can't believe it. > Wow. I don't even want to show quoted text... I couldn't stomach > reading the whole thread anyway. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cyber, I used to think you were too harsh but not anymore. I can't > believe people would defend Meg's behavior. I just can't believe it. Hi Lynne! Welcome back to the loony bin. :) How are the kids, feline, canine, and humine? > Hi Lynne! Welcome back to the loony bin. :) How are the kids, feline, > canine, and humine? There is no way I'm staying... I miss all the good stuff but I just cannot stand threads like these anymore. The kids are all great, human and otherwise. Thanks for asking! The pup just got neutered last Friday and boy is he not liking his 10 days of no playing. Neither am I. I'm keeping the dogs seperated and now he likes face wrestling with the cats (which they love, by the way). Naturally I can't allow it, but dang it's cute--he's a big, gentle goofball and loved by all. Other than the normal post surgical stuff, he's great and all the other beasts are great as well. Even little Levi is in fabulous health!! So no complaints here. As an aside, when I was picking up Hendrix from his surgery Thursday, a gal came in with her senior kitty to have him put down. Well he was sure a beauty and I got to say goodbye to him, too, and share a bunch of tears and some hugs with a total stranger. That sucked pretty hard but boy I wouldn't trade all the years leading up to those final days for anything. That was one very well cared for and well loved kitty and I hope his mama has found peace in knowing that she did right by him. I hope your cats are doing well, Cyber. I rest better at night knowing that there are people out there who truly love their cats (and dogs) and who take them to the vet at the first sign of problems rather than let them languish and suffer. They deserve our protection and love and care. If we can't give them that, we don't deserve them. Peace to you and yours and to everyone else that isn't a suckwad. > Wow. I don't even want to show quoted text... I couldn't stomach > reading the whole thread anyway. > > This situation is a prime example of why I can't read this group > anymore. And your post is a figment of my imagination. > People like Meg who are too negligent, lazy and cheap to > take their animals to the vet If your compassion knows no bounds, how come you aren't taking care of the strays in my neighborhood? > Cyber, I used to think you were too harsh but not anymore. I > can't believe people would defend Meg's behavior. I just can't > believe it. Yeah, right, or maybe you're drunk/high. Whatever. > Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net!newsdbm04.news.prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!news.astraweb.com!router1.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: Lynne <unmonitored.email gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Injection-Info: o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.129.146.160; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 > Xref: prodigy.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:466933 > Well thanks for calling me an a.shole. It is NOT an abscessed tooth, > it is oral cancer. This explains alot of his declining health. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks for the help. I really did think it was an abscessed tooth. ------- I'm very sorry to hear this Meg.. Please keep us posted. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > Well thanks for calling me an a.shole. It is NOT an abscessed tooth, > it is oral cancer. This explains alot of his declining health. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks for the help. I really did think it was an abscessed tooth. I am very sorry to hear that your poor beloved cat has cancer. No cat lover would wish that on anyone. I know that you will continue to care for him as best you can until the time comes to make your decision. It's a terrible decision to have to make, but it is all part of being a cat slave. @ times it really does hurt. I have been away from the group for a little while( I fell through a plate glass window & cut the tendons & nerves in my left wrist, so all typing is one handed; Right handed!- a real pest!!), so haven't read this post until today. All you can do is your best & it is clear that you have taken good care of him & care about him too. I hope that your vet is someone that you feel @ ease when you talk to them? If not, My suggestion would be to write down any questions that you might have- those niggling questions that are always @ the back of your mind, then call him, or go to his practise & then ask your questions, especially regarding his care in the interim period, & the possible prognosis for his future. There must be so much going round your mind right now!? I hope that you let us know how you are progressing from time to time? I would appreciate that if you don't mind? TIA, Sheelagh >"o"< >> inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He >> > smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > This is truly gross. ---------- Generally speaking, where a person has an infection with pus (i.e. an abscess), a doctor is going to incise the area and express (drain) the pus (gently, with a small amount of pressure using a soft cloth or a piece of gauze). Once it's done, it's generally done. It is not unusual for a *small amount* of blood to be expressed with the pus. I'm not sure what you're doing with the toothbrush, but I think you should stop. A toothbrush (even a soft one) is abrasive, and I suspect that may be the reason his mouth is bleeding profusely. It's a bad idea to be scrubbing an infected area and reopening a wound that may be all drained and ready to start healing. A wound with pus is an infection, which means that your cat may very well require antibiotics. I agree with cybercat that your cat is swallowing all kinds of infected material not to mention that it's getting in his bloodstream and could damage his heart. If this were a person, he would probably be advised to keep rinsing his mouth out with warm water and spitting it out. Obviously, your cat is not going to do that. Please see if you can find an emergency vet and take your cat ASAP, especially because your cat is also wheezing, has crusty eyes, and is limping. This really doesn't sound good at all. FTR, I am a doctor but not a veterinarian. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > >> "MEG" <megchand...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It was a toothbrush that fits over the finger given to me to brush his teeth by the vet. >> >> "MEG" <megchand...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > It was a toothbrush that fits over the finger given to me to brush > his teeth by the vet. ------- Even so...I think I am less focused on what kind of brush and more focused on the fact that his gums are bleeding so profusely. The finger toothbrush is designed for a normal situation where you are simply cleaning the cat's teeth, not the situation where there is blood and pus everywhere. I hope he's feeling better by now, and I hope everything goes well at the vet tomorrow. Please keep us updated. Best regards, ---Cindy S. >I think I inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He > smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What do I do in the mean time, if anything. Shall I keep draining the > abcess? First, I would look for an emergency vet. If none is available in your area -- and if you are unable to find a contact number for your vet -- I would *leave the cat's mouth alone* until you see the vet on Monday. You are probably doing more harm than good by working on your cat's mouth. You are simply reopening an injury and exposing your cat to more infection. Second, what type of toothbrush are you using. I can't tell from your message what implement you are using. *Never* use a human toothbrush for your cat. There are brushes that are specifically made for cats, and you need to work *gently.* Also, never use human toothpaste on a cat. Here is a picture of a brush that is intended for cats. Notice how small it is. http://www.fuzzytummy.com/cet--cat-toothbrush-.htm Finally, you have described a number of problems. Your cat really needs to be seen by a vet for a complete evaluation. ASAP!!! MaryL > I think I inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He > smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What do I do in the mean time, if anything. Shall I keep draining the > abcess? > I think I inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He > smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What do I do in the mean time, if anything. Shall I keep draining the > abcess? The crusty eyes are conginital. The fur, I rewashed, shaved, and brushed. I think he has grooming problems due to age. The weird gait may be arthritis. I think the arthritis is keeping him from grooming his back. I am going to redrain the tooth, and call the vet. For what it is worth the smell is gone. >> I think I inadvertantly drained an abcessed tooth on my cat. He >> smelled horrible, his fur is becoming unruly, he is drooling, his eyes [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I am going to redrain the tooth, and call the vet. For what it is > worth the smell is gone. I don't know exactly what you are doing, but it really worries me to read that you are going to "redrain" the tooth. Unless you have some medical training, you could do a lot of harm. That sounds like a good way to introduce infection and possibly cause a lot of pain. I admit that I also do not have any medical training, but if it were me, I would hold off on doing anything until I could get to a vet. It is now Sunday evening, so I hope you will be able to have your can evaluated early tomorrow morning. MaryL
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