Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2007
Corona Virus (FIP)
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Sheelagh>o< - 30 Oct 2007 18:05 GMT I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I have done a quick search on this subject, & it all seems very gloom & doom. From what I understand, corona virus is extremely contagious, but FIP, isn't. Is this correct? Also, what measures can I take other than extreme care between handling, to help myself & the cat concerned. Has anyone else been through this, & what were their experiences. Also, if anyone has anything ( none of our cats are affected, yet) to contribute to this, I would love to hear from you to please? TIA', Sheelagh>"o"<
Wendy - 31 Oct 2007 01:15 GMT Is the cat showing any symptoms? If not why did you have it tested?
From what I understand 85% of all cats can test positive for the corona virus at some point in their lives and the vast majority go on to live perfectly normal, healthy lives. If you have a relatively small population of cats they can clear the virus with no exceptional steps being taken by you aside from frequent scooping of litter boxes.
http://www.dr-addie.com/PreventionS1.htm
Wendy
>I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a > week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TIA', > Sheelagh>"o"< Sheelagh>o< - 31 Oct 2007 19:07 GMT > Is the cat showing any symptoms? If not why did you have it tested? > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for replying Wendy. Yes, He was showing what I thought were classic symptoms of CornaVirus. He had become lethargic, was experiencing weight loss, his little belly was swelling, & as I had just treated him for worms, I disclosed that. Initially, I thought it might possibly be a problem with a cataract, but the vet excluded that one as well. His personality was a little off, but nothing specific, so I decided to take him in to see what they could find. Just over a week later, I got the result back telling me that it was cornea virus. To be honest, it frightened the socks off me, but now that I have had a bit of time to absorb this news, it isn't as bad as I thought it might be. Thanks for the links too Wendy, they were very informative & helpful too.
It looks like it is a matter of good hygiene & completely separate litter boxes which are to be cleared every single time I notice it has been used. Thanks again,
Sheelagh >"o"<
Wendy - 31 Oct 2007 21:31 GMT >> - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sheelagh >"o"< The positive titre for corona doesn't indicate that the cat has FIP only that it's corona positive. Look on the site I sent you for the combination of blood work results that are a more reliable diagnostic tool than a corona test alone. If you are convinced that you are dealing with FIP then the outlook isn't good. I have yet to hear of a cat with FIP ultimately make it. Last I heard there isn't any effective treatment for it. Just make sure that's what you're dealing with before you throw in the towel. Some vets will call anything they can't diagnose easily FIP whether it is or not.
Hope your kitty has something else.
Wendy
Sheelagh>o< - 31 Oct 2007 23:07 GMT > >> - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text -
> The positive titre for corona doesn't indicate that the cat has FIP only > that it's corona positive. Look on the site I sent you for the combination [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that's what you're dealing with before you throw in the towel. Some vets > will call anything they can't diagnose easily FIP whether it is or not I have read the page that you sent me & it did make it clear that most cats test possitive for Coronavirus @ some point in their lives, but that not all cats go on to develop the full blown FIP. So far, all we have is a possitive result for Corona virus. I'm trying hard not to convince myself that he will have the mutation that results into FIP, but staying optimistic as possible that we won't get a full blown FIP.
The main reason that he was kept in, was because he was dehydrated & not eating, & as they needed to do some more blood work, we felt it was best to leave him there. He really did look quite poorly. Sometimes I wonder how long he has been feeling this way. Cats instinctively try to hide any illness because it is like announcing they are weak. He had been looking ropey for about a 5 days, & when I noticed that his water bowl was continuously undrunk from, I took him straight down there. a dry litter box, uneaten food & a full water bowl are never good signs, are they?
As far as I know, we are bringing him home tomorrow- Unless the bloods show that he has something that we are running a loosing battle against. I trust this vet's integrity, & I know he will do what is best for the cat, rather than what is best for me. It doesn't look very promising though. I have never seen such a scrawny little fellow before. He look like an adult cat, but the size of a 4 month old kitten. I will keep you updated with news when we have some. Thanks again Wendy, Sheelagh >"o"<
Wendy - 01 Nov 2007 00:53 GMT >> >> - Show quoted text - >> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > Wendy, > Sheelagh >"o"< Here's the page that I was talking about. It gives the combination of symptoms and test results to look for.
http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm#Diagnosis%20of%20FIP
Sheelagh>o< - 01 Nov 2007 02:58 GMT > >> >> - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Once more I am indebted to you. You really have pulled the cat out of the bag on this one ( no pun intended). All of these sites have been a wealth of information. I never knew there was that much to know. Another day, another thing learned! Thanks you Wendy, Sheelagh >"o"<
Matthew - 31 Oct 2007 03:53 GMT I am sorry the furball is going thru this. I was wonder where you disappeared to
>I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a > week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TIA', > Sheelagh>"o"< Sheelagh>o< - 31 Oct 2007 19:33 GMT > I am sorry the furball is going thru this. I was wonder where you > disappeared to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text -
> I am sorry the furball is going thru this. I was wonder where you > disappeared to It's just bad luck. The cat in question is a skinny little tabby cat. He has been looking a little rough for a week or so before I picked him up & decided to take him to the vets. ( stray we think). He has been back up there today, & they have kept him in for a few more tests The reason you haven't seen e around is because my hotmail account was hacked & I got locked out of it, so I have no email addresses to be able to access them to let everyone know that this is what happened.
Look @ my old email address, & replace the _ with a -& you have my email address again. Same provider, much stronger password this time. Very inconvenient, but my own fault for not keeping a copy of my contacts on the hard drive. Still, the damage is done now. I am trying to get it reinstated again now, but whether they will or not is another question. I would have let you know sooner, but I couldn't remember your email address. I tried to let you know, but I must have got it wrong because it bounced back @ me again.... Speak soon, sheelagh >"o"<
Wendy - 31 Oct 2007 11:23 GMT >I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a > week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TIA', > Sheelagh>"o"< Re: is FIP contagious? NO. Each cat who ends up with the FIP mutation must 'manufacture' their own. There also is not test that will detect the FIP mutation. The tests all will tell you if the cat is positive for FCoV but not the specific mutation that causes FIP.
Wendy
Paul M. Cook - 31 Oct 2007 23:10 GMT > I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a > week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TIA', > Sheelagh>"o"< Buddy was diagnosed FIP positive in early 04 via the Western Blot test. He lived until last week with no symptoms at all nor were the other cats in danger of contracting it. All his blood work since the diagnosis was fine. Corona virii are crazy things and scientists do not fully understand them. I do know that to be exposed to a CV is not to mean the cat has it active or ever will have it become active. There is no need to do anything. If your cats get along well and they do not exchange saliva through bites, you have little to worry about.
Paul
Sheelagh>o< - 01 Nov 2007 03:31 GMT > > I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a > > week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Paul I responded to Buddy's passing @ the time. I'm so sorry that you lost your beloved soldier. He was one of those cats that lives to inspire, love unconditionally & was always there when you needed him. Life must be strange without him. Time will heal, where mother nature is cruel; she has to be sometimes
I feel greatly inspired by Buddies story. I googled him & learnt about Zipper too when you explained that Buddy had exactly what we are talking about. It is always good to hear every ones view point on something when you are trying to learn about something,.. "Fast"!! I am obviously delighted to hear that it had no knock on effect to the rest of your cats. That is my ultimate fear I think. I am very concerned about the kitty we are discussing- But to find out that the whole feline family are possibly in dire straits would be quite something else....I couldn't bare the thought of loosing them all, that's for sure. I am hoping that we can get this kitty in good enough shape to be able to home him again. now that is the dream- All we need to do, is get there....
Thank you for your thoughts. They are appreciated very much. I needed to hear some good news & you gave it! Sheelagh >"o"<
Paul M. Cook - 01 Nov 2007 05:21 GMT >> > I have just had some results for a cat we took to the vets just over a >> > week ago, to say that one of the cats we took in has corona virus. I [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > be strange without him. Time will heal, where mother nature is cruel; > she has to be sometimes Your kind words are very much appreciated. Yes, life without Buddy is proving hard, harder than I had anticipated. What he brought into my life I cannot explain and his absence is something I will be dealing with for a long time to come. I can only describe his personality as noble, a cat that had lived many lives and learned the wisdom of the ages. He extended it to humans and to his fellow cats. I know my neurotic and insecure cat, M'Tazz, who I got one year after Buddy, would not be the animal he is now without Buddy's guiding paws. And as for mother nature, though I respect her, sometimes she can just bite me.
> I feel greatly inspired by Buddies story. I googled him & learnt about > Zipper too when you explained that Buddy had exactly what we are [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > shape to be able to home him again. now that is the dream- All we need > to do, is get there.... Focus on total health. Feed your cats foods rich in antioxidants and omega fish oils. Focus on immune system health, especially. Research immune system holistic treatments such as accupuncture. Find the best foods for them, Wellness brand was often the recommended food for immune system health when I posted questions. Keep the cats strong from very deep within. I was so lucky Buddy liked a premium food that while not ideal, was so much better for him than any of the other brands. For watever reason he didn't like Wellness. But he liked one called APD Advanced Pet Diet. Not a perfect blend, but again, far superior to store stuff.
> Thank you for your thoughts. They are appreciated very much. I needed > to hear some good news & you gave it! There is so much you can do. And the best part is the cats won't even know you are doing a thing. That's the best way to help; you know you are doing it right when they don't suspect a thing.
The best of luck to you. You have good reason for optimism.
Paul
Sheelagh>o< - 04 Nov 2007 19:19 GMT > >> "Sheelagh>o<" <silkn...@googlemail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Unfortunately, the little fellow didn't last. In the end, he died a day later. It was absolutely dreadful. After posting that day. On the 2nd of November. I got a call at around 3 in the morning telling us that he had just passed away.
The surgery called back again in the later morning to ask if I wanted to go ahead with a post mortem to see what the real reason was- But I decided not to go ahead with it. If I thought it would have made a difference, then I probably would have had it done- But it didn't so I passed on that.
I wish that I had noticed a little sooner & brought him in earlier. Unfortunately, cats tend to hide the fact that they have something wrong, so I probably never would have known there was something wrong until it was too late anyway. It doesn't help knowing that he wasn't my cat either:o( I still feel guilty about it all the same)
This subject has something that has piqued my interest. I intend to read up as much as I can regarding corona Virus, & FIP. It seems a much ill diagnosed problem in most cases, & I'd like to find out why that is?
Thanks for responding though. I would have let you know sooner, but we have had a few teething problems after moving the PC. I couldn't reconnect it properly & had to get someone in to do it...I just wish I could have done something to alleviate his misery & stress.... Mother Nature can be damned merciless @ times, or that is how it feels! They also say that everything happens for a reason too. I would just like to think that he is no longer in any pain, & happy with others on the other side of the Rainbow Bridge.
Sheelagh >"o"<
-Lost - 12 Nov 2007 13:04 GMT Response to "Sheelagh>o<" <silknsox@googlemail.com>:
> The surgery called back again in the later morning to ask if I > wanted to go ahead with a post mortem to see what the real reason > was- But I decided not to go ahead with it. If I thought it would > have made a difference, then I probably would have had it done- > But it didn't so I passed on that. Sorry to bring back up a rather dated topic but I seemed to have got lost in thoughts, animals, school, family, something... not sure which and forgot to ask this.
I'll just blame your computer problems for me not noticing your were back until now. ; )
Did the vet ever figure out what was wrong then? They only thought it was corona and not FIP?
And I take it they were going to charge for the post-mortem examination? If so, that's crappy. If I was a vet who wasn't smart enough to deduce what the hell was wrong I'd do it anyway and report every statistical finding I could on the matter.
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