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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2007Twisty CAts
Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding controversey of a few years back? Does anyone remember which state that was in? I"m asking because the shelter has a cat that looks exactly like them. Cute little thing, she looks a little like a kangaroo -- seems to be a birth defect and she seems to have adapted very well to it. It really bugs me, the similarity to the Twisty Cats though. Sherry > Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding > controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry Hi Sherry, I do remember the "Twisty Kats," but I didn't remember which state was involved. I did a little searching via the Internet, and it seems that the locale was not far from you (and even closer to me). According to this site, it was in Marshall, Texas: http://www.cfainc.org/comments-twistykats.html. Many of us -- probably *most* of us -- considered it unethical to deliberately breed a deformity into generations of cats. This article (from Cat Fanciers Association) includes this paragraph: "Speir has said in interviews that she sees no difference in what she is doing and in what breeders of recognized breeds do. She claims to be breeding something that is appealing and 'cute.' Even though true cat lovers believe that all cats are appealing, those who engage in purposeful breeding carry the additional responsibility to assure that a cat's basic ability to function will not be compromised." (The reference is to Vickie Speir, who was the breeder of the cats.) Here is another site that purports to give a chronology: http://www.delmars.com/kitcats/twisted.htm. This site notes that Vickie Speir claimed that she was not "breeding" but was only "reproducing a favorite pet." And here is an article that was posted by Vickie Ives (who was known in earlier articles as Vickie Speir): http://www.karmafarms.com/twisty.htm. It tells "her side" of the story and also includes several pictures. She does claim that they do not sell Twisties. MaryL >> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding >> controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > MaryL I would disagree with this article on only one point, the "None of the 37 breeds accepted by CFA involve physical characteristics that would interfere with the cat's ability to move and to act in a normal way," declaration is, I believe, wrong. Persian cats' faces have become so "flat" from inbreeding that members of this breed have trouble breathing and respiratory problems. There are also, I believe breeds of cats whose legs have been so foreshortened that they have problems running and jumping. With all other statements made in the article, I agree completely - the "twisty cat" idea is horrendous. Hugs, CatNipped >>> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding >>> controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > CatNipped Yes, I agree with the point you made. I think it is horrendous to see what some breeders and cat shows have done in creating certain "requirements" for specific breeds. In my opinion, the Persian and Siamese cats of many years ago were truly beautiful. Now, we have squashed-in Persian faces that (in my opinion, at least) create an "angry" look. This has produced the breathing and respiratory problems you mentioned, and also associated eye problems. MaryL > >> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding > >> controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > CatNipped- Hide quoted text - Oh absolutely. Their sinuses and eyes are even screwed up because their faces are practically concave now. This is nothing more than stupid breeders who think they are "improving" the breed. (Definition of "improve": whatever gets more rosettes) Look at a Persian from a few decades ago. They look nothing like Persians today. Sherry >> >> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding >> >> controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Sherry Yep, I agree with you and MaryL. The things I *LOVE* about cats are the same things that have made them the world's most perfect predator... The speed and grace of movement that allows them to stalk and then to chase down and catch prey, the razor sharp claws that grapple into and hold down the prey, the tapered snout and curved fangs that can deliver the killing bite to the neck, the rough tongue with backwards-facing spikes that is perfect for removing meat from bone. Pretty gruesome, but gruesome in the most beautiful way imaginable (to me, anyway). Nature has created the perfect killing machine and man has no business trying to change perfection. Hugs, CatNipped > Yep, I agree with you and MaryL. The things I *LOVE* about cats are the > same things that have made them the world's most perfect predator... The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > perfect killing machine and man has no business trying to change > perfection. You scary, scary woman. :) >> Yep, I agree with you and MaryL. The things I *LOVE* about cats are the >> same things that have made them the world's most perfect predator... The [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You scary, scary woman. :) LOL! You already knew that - you've seen me in a flame war and know I go directly for the throat! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >> Yep, I agree with you and MaryL. The things I *LOVE* about cats are the >> same things that have made them the world's most perfect predator... The [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You scary, scary woman. :) And another thought, I haven't asked anyone here, but as far as I know IRL, I'm the only person I know who watches nature shows and roots for the cat instead of the gazelle! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >>> Yep, I agree with you and MaryL. The things I *LOVE* about cats are the >>> same things that have made them the world's most perfect predator... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > CatNipped now you know two ;-) > I'm the only person I know who watches nature shows and roots for the cat > instead of the gazelle! ;> ooo I cannot even watch those shows. >> I'm the only person I know who watches nature shows and roots for the cat >> instead of the gazelle! ;> > > ooo I cannot even watch those shows. I get really upset when the cat misses and has to go hungry (especially if there are cubs "at home"). I am somewhat of a bigot when it comes to herd animals and herbivores - I mean, how much intelligence does it take to sneak up on a blade of grass? ;> Hugs, CatNipped >>> I'm the only person I know who watches nature shows and roots for the >>> cat instead of the gazelle! ;> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > animals and herbivores - I mean, how much intelligence does it take to > sneak up on a blade of grass? ;> I can see this. I am just not much on seeing Bambi--or anything for that matter--get slaughtered. Although, if I could see the stray who keeps killing voles and leaving them for me actually kill them, I might like that. The little bahstahds have killed so many of my plants. Good plants, too. >>>> I'm the only person I know who watches nature shows and roots for the >>>> cat instead of the gazelle! ;> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that. The little bahstahds have killed so many of my plants. Good plants, > too. LOL! I don't blame you - a little furry hero to your plants and you is a good thing to have! Hugs, CatNipped > And another thought, I haven't asked anyone here, but as far as > I know IRL, I'm the only person I know who watches nature shows > and roots for the cat instead of the gazelle! ;> Me 2.  SignatureCheryl > >> >> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding > >> >> controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > beautiful way imaginable (to me, anyway). Nature has created the perfect > killing machine and man has no business trying to change perfection. No doubt. Cats are the ultimate predator and it's all hard-wired. Even a cat that has never had to hunt still has the full set of skills to do so. > Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding > controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry Sherry, I just posted a response to your question and included a couple of links. Here is another site. This article one discusses the ethics of deliberately breeding for deformities or abnormalities. The article focuses on Twisty Cats but also discusses a broader range of abnormalities. http://www.messybeast.com/twisty.htm (Note: Some articles refer to them as "Twisty Cats." Others -- and this seems to include the woman who reported the first one and who set off the furor by breeding them -- seem to have designated them as "Twisty Kats." MaryL MaryL > Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding > controversey of a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry Vickie Speir, Texas. Don't remember where, exactly. What an a.s she was. I flamed the sh.t out of her on some newsgroup at one point. -L. > Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding <snip> > Sherry By the way - how's Jake? ;) -L. > On Oct 20, 11:10 pm, Sherry <sridd...@aol.com> wrote:> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -L. You know, I didn't see him/her after early spring, not once. I was kind of concerned about this--especially after the awful flooding we had in the spring. But I think I *have* seen her/his progeny--lots of babies around during August. They're really cute. Not much bigger than those 'Husky" kindergartner's pencils. Sherry Sherry > You know, I didn't see him/her after early spring, not once. I was > kind of concerned [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sherry The babies really are darling, aren't they? :) If you changed anything in the yard, she may have moved. She may go back down into your basement in the winter , as well. -L.
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