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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2007I need your sagely advice and wisdom again, people. Declaw or not declaw, that is my question.
After talking with my friend at the animal hospital for the thousandth time today, they started mentioning some other things that I should have done before officially calling Gabby "good to go." 1. Get her spayed - of course, this is already planned. 2. "ridder of critters" they said. Done. 3. Tons more general how to take care of a cat tips. Done. .. 19. Maybe not 19th, but the last thing they said was, "And make sure to get her declawed." Not so sure about... Forgive my ignorance on this one, and cat lovers please don't bounce something off of my head, but I thought as long as you were... 1. Not in fear of your life. 2. Your other animals got along fine with kitty. 3. Kitty uses her abundance of play things and scratching posts, walls, climbs, and other assorted cat approved claw-holders. 4. Kitty eventually stops chasing you down and attacking you from behind. ...that you did not have to get a cat declawed. My friend made it out like it is a must along with spaying an animal. What's the word cat people?  Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > After talking with my friend at the animal hospital for the > thousandth time today, they started mentioning some other things that > I should have done before officially calling Gabby "good to go." Your friend is no friend. Do not mutilate your cat. Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: >> After talking with my friend at the animal hospital for the >> thousandth time today, they started mentioning some other things >> that I should have done before officially calling Gabby "good to >> go." > > Your friend is no friend. Do not mutilate your cat. I figured that would be the general response. I wonder why it is recommended at all? The only animal refuge center we have recommended it as well, but I would imagine it was to minimize the damage they might do to each other at the center. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >> Your friend is no friend. Do not mutilate your cat. > > I figured that would be the general response. I wonder why it is > recommended at all? It is recommended for human convenience because many people cannot be bothered to provide things cats like to scratch better than furniture and rugs, and so that vets can make money. Ignorance or pure cruelty can be the only reasons anyone would recommend it. I was a kid (maybe 23) when I took my first cat in to be spayed, and they said, "Do you want her declawed too?" She was a hellion, and I was thinking, just the claws themselves taken out--I never thought surgical hacking off of the bones in her toes. I said yes. They ruined her beautiful little feet, she became anxious, stopped covering her poo, and became a biter as well. It is horrible, one of the worst things I have been responsible for in my life. I have two cats now, and provide scratchers and trim claws--just the tips--monthly. That is all you need to do. Did you understand the procedure when you asked this question? And will you voice your opinion about it to the shelters? Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: >>> Your friend is no friend. Do not mutilate your cat. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than furniture and rugs, and so that vets can make money. Ignorance > or pure cruelty can be the only reasons anyone would recommend it. Pfft. I have learned there is no such thing when you CARE for animals. Either you love 'em or you do not. I always try to make sure I pay attention to the ones who are in it for the loot as well. That is partly why I ask so many questions. I KNOW I need help! Hahaha! > I was a kid (maybe 23) when I took my first cat in to be > spayed, and they said, "Do you want her declawed too?" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > scratchers and trim claws--just the tips--monthly. That is all > you need to do. Ugh, I am sorry you AND your kitty had to go through that. > Did you understand the procedure when you asked this > question? Nope. And after reading everyone's post it almost made me cry. I have known a few declawed kitties in my time and never knew it was like that. > And will you voice your opinion about it to the shelters? Well, this is going to sound pretty dumb I am sure, but what should I say? I mean, call back and go, "Hey by the way, the lady who runs the refuge should stop declawing the cats! It is cruel and not only physically scars the kitty, but does psychological damage!" I just do not want to go to jail for threatening/stalking/whatever. And I have got a temper so if they were to get mouthy about it instead of talk about it, I would most likely end up cussing them out. Maybe I should call from a payphone... Anyway. The choice was already made, but now it will NEVER have the possibility to change. Gabby keeps her claws. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >Well, this is going to sound pretty dumb I am sure, but what should I >say? I mean, call back and go, "Hey by the way, the lady who runs >the refuge should stop declawing the cats! It is cruel and not only >physically scars the kitty, but does psychological damage!" I would send them a letter and explain that you did some research on declawng and learned that it is horrible and unnecessary. And tell them that you are very disappoint that a shelter/refuge would recommend something so horrible. Put in a few points about how it harms cats, and also tell them that declawed cats often become agressive biters and have kitty litter problems, two big reasons that many cats get dumped. If they are a shelter trying to help cats, then recommending they be declawed only sets up the cats for being dumped again. A lot of shelters have a contract that adopters must sign, stating that they will not declaw the cat. The shelter would rather take the cat back and place it in a new home or help the new owner work out the problems. > >> Your friend is no friend. Do not mutilate your cat. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And will you voice your opinion about it to the shelters? From what I've been told declawing a cat is similar to taking off the tips of a humans fingers to the first knuckle. Ouch! >Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I figured that would be the general response. I wonder why it is >recommended at all? It makes money for the vets, and it is convenient for people who don't want to train their cats or clip nails. Apparently, that is enough to keep it going here. I wish people would educate themselves about this before having it done, and I wish the vets would stand up and refuse. > Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > would imagine it was to minimize the damage they might do to each > other at the center. My former vet actually recommended declawing to save furniture. I know how to trim claws and keep scratching posts and scratch pads around. Response from T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net>: >> Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > know how to trim claws and keep scratching posts and scratch pads > around. Said the same thing to me... "...some people have leather furniture or other nice things they don't want ruined." Bleh. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >After talking with my friend at the animal hospital for the >thousandth time today, they started mentioning some other things that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >What's the word cat people? Your friend is an idiot. Declawing actually takes off the last section of the toe, is painful, and also removes their ability to do instinctual behaviors. All you need is a godo cat tree, some patience, and some clippers. Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: > Your friend is an idiot. Declawing actually takes off the last > section of the toe, is painful, and also removes their ability to > do instinctual behaviors. All you need is a godo cat tree, some > patience, and some clippers. Well, in their defense, I doubt they would recommend something that the doctor themselves did not recommend. I could be wrong though. And I am actually going to ask them today to be sure. If they are giving me misinformation or suggestions the doctor would not recommend then I will seriously reevaluate my sources. Now, for the rest of your response... um... you have to clip kitty claws? Where in the world am I getting MY information? I was told by many not to worry about cutting their nails. That in fact a good scratching area (which I have provided three of) was sufficient enough to help them shed their claws. Assuming this is incorrect, I will explain "shed their claws" to avoid further confusion. I was told that cats claws were similar to dogs in that they eventually flake or grow like exoskeletons, whereby the newer nail underneath pushes the older one off. Or in the case of a scratching post, helps remove it. Is that correct? Thanks for the feedback, Meghan. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Well, in their defense, I doubt they would recommend something that > the doctor themselves did not recommend. Then the doctor is cruel and disgusting. > I could be wrong though. And I am actually going to ask them today > to be sure. If they are giving me misinformation or suggestions the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > fact a good scratching area (which I have provided three of) was > sufficient enough to help them shed their claws. No. They actually sharpen them on scratchers, which is fine, because they are also working their muscles and stretching. > Assuming this is incorrect, I will explain "shed their claws" to > avoid further confusion. I was told that cats claws were similar to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is that correct? Just the sheath comes off. You want to get clippers and clip just the sharp tip so that when you play with your cat, or he/she walks on carpet etc. the claws don't catch you or it. It is easy and simple--if your cat does not like it, get a friend to help you. We used to roll Boo up in a beach towel, I would hold her with just one foot at a time sticking out, and soothe her while my husband clipped. Now she just lets us do it--because she gets a treat afterward. Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: <snip> >> Assuming this is incorrect, I will explain "shed their claws" to >> avoid further confusion. I was told that cats claws were similar [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and soothe her while my husband clipped. Now she just lets us do > it--because she gets a treat afterward. Ooooh, OK. Just the tips, got it. Definitely going to try the towel method. When Gabby first came to us we had to bathe her a time or two to rid her of paint, pests, and poo (literally). Anyway... after the bath she would literally fall slick out wrapped in a towel. So she definitely digs it! Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. Here is a picture of my collection of discarded claw sheaths. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=73909198&Sequence=0& res=high ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') > Here is a picture of my collection of discarded claw sheaths. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Proof there's a collector for everything on this planet! Bobble >> Here is a picture of my collection of discarded claw sheaths. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bobble And you! You are a diplomat. lol Here is a picture of my collection of discarded claw sheaths. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=73909198&Sequence=0& res=high Honestly, Mike, you are such a freak. Response from twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---): > Here is a picture of my collection of discarded claw sheaths. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') I was thinking the same thing as cybercat. You are a freak. I would like to add weird and disturbing. Don't ever change!! HAHAHA! For the second time in this group I am glad to see I am not the only one who enjoys a healthy although odd collection or gets a warm feeling in my belly from some other odd thing (like kitty sheaths). Currently I have a healthy collection of puppy teeth, puppy sheaths, and 2 of my dragon's toes. I have not had Gabby long enough to have her sheaths, but I will... guarantee it. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. At least the picture of the sheaths is proof that I have not declawed my cats. Would you like to see my whisker collection? ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') At least the picture of the sheaths is proof that I have not declawed my cats. Would you like to see my whisker collection? I said you were a freak. I did not say that I don't like you. ;) Yes, I would like to see your whisker collection. Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: > At least the picture of the sheaths is proof that I have not > declawed my cats. Would you like to see my whisker collection? > > I said you were a freak. I did not say that I don't like you. ;) > > Yes, I would like to see your whisker collection. I think I would too. How did you get whiskers? They do not fall out do they? And of course you are not supposed to snip them... right? Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. -Lost asked: >>Yes, I would like to see your whisker >> collection. >I think I would too. How did you get > whiskers? They do not fall out do they? >And of course you are not supposed to > snip them... right? I just posted a picture. They do fall out. I wouldn't think of snipping them. If you keep looking you will find them as well as the claw sheaths. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Response from twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---): > -Lost asked: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > snipping them. If you keep looking you will find them as well as > the claw sheaths. Neato. I'll definitely keep an eye out. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > At least the picture of the sheaths is proof that I have not declawed my > cats. Would you like to see my whisker collection? > > ---MIKE--->>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire > > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') LOl, LoL LOL I thought I was the only person in the world that collected whiskers, LMAO?!!! Now I know different. My longest one so fat is 5.6 inches long, & it belonged to Biffy the Birman. When Lilly arrived here, she was totally whisker-less. Her siblings used to chew them off! Now she has nice fat long ones around 4.6 inches long(average!!). Nice to meet a fellow "weirdo", if that's what we are?!! Sheelagh>"o"< Response from "Sheelagh >o<" <sheelagh_madden@hotmail.co.uk>: >> At least the picture of the sheaths is proof that I have not >> declawed my cats. Would you like to see my whisker collection? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > has nice fat long ones around 4.6 inches long(average!!). Nice to > meet a fellow "weirdo", if that's what we are?!! Meghan has you beat kiddo. Message-ID: <u3srf35kdps734p94npsk1rdh57ag516of@4ax.com> Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > At least the picture of the sheaths is proof that I have not declawed my > cats. Would you like to see my whisker collection? Sure, if you haven't yet posted it. I don't find many, but I consider them to be treasures! SignatureJean B. > Response from twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---): > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Don't ever change!! HAHAHA! lol true, dat. Of all the freaks I love, I like cat freaks the best. On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:37:13 -0500, "-Lost" >For the second time in this group I am glad to see I am not the only >one who enjoys a healthy although odd collection or gets a warm >feeling in my belly from some other odd thing (like kitty sheaths). > >Currently I have a healthy collection of puppy teeth, puppy sheaths, >and 2 of my dragon's toes. I've kept a couple sheaths that look complete, as well as the two complete claws that Chase ripped out on his own. I also have one baby tooth from Chase, and a bunch of whiskers from all the cats. I don't know why, but I have always picked up the whiskers. Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:37:13 -0500, "-Lost" >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > baby tooth from Chase, and a bunch of whiskers from all the cats. > I don't know why, but I have always picked up the whiskers. OK, the second whisker collection mention... they fall out? I was ABSOLUTELY clueless about this. Well, I am on most things kitty-related, but I am learning. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > OK, the second whisker collection mention... they fall out? > > I was ABSOLUTELY clueless about this. Well, I am on most things > kitty-related, but I am learning. Welcome to our freak show. :) Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: >> OK, the second whisker collection mention... they fall out? >> >> I was ABSOLUTELY clueless about this. Well, I am on most things >> kitty-related, but I am learning. > > Welcome to our freak show. :) Hehe. Thank you! Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >OK, the second whisker collection mention... they fall out? Oh, yah. You'll find them on the floor a lot. They really stand out after vacuuming since the vacuum has trouble picking them up. Sometimes, I find really long ones from Jay Jay. 6 inches! > Here is a picture of my collection of discarded claw sheaths. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=73909198&Sequence=0& res=high Hey! They're beautiful! I stopped collecting those and now collect the (rarer) whiskers! SignatureJean B. >Definitely going to try the towel method. When Gabby first came to >us we had to bathe her a time or two to rid her of paint, pests, and >poo (literally). Anyway... after the bath she would literally fall >slick out wrapped in a towel. So she definitely digs it! A good way to start is find them when they are curled up in a nap, leave them in that position, and just take a paw and do it. If you start with only one paw per session, then it is over before they get worked up about. Doing it while they are napping means they are relaxed and not highly energetic at the time. Less likely to argue. Once they are okay with that, do 2 paws or all 4 paws at a time. After awhile, they will be used to it, no problem. My only problem child is Jay Jay. Sometimes, he is perfect, and sometimes, he thinks he can argue. So, I do him while he is curled up on the cat tree. Then I can do all 4 paws with no argument. Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: >>Definitely going to try the towel method. When Gabby first came >>to us we had to bathe her a time or two to rid her of paint, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > are relaxed and not highly energetic at the time. Less likely to > argue. <snip> I am definitely noting that energetic tip! The children just came to me because one of the youngest ones got a claw hooked in their finger (from playing only). So I picked up Gabby to talk to her and the young'n to help calm the situation. Gabby's little heart was literally beating at least 6 beats a second. And to boot she was going ape in my hands. I could not hold her for more than 10 seconds without her squirming madly and digging in with her claws to gain traction for her escape. SHEESH! Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=71611133&Sequence=0& res=high ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=71611133&Sequence=0& res=high Very impressive! :) > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=71611133&Sequence=0& res=high > > ---MIKE--- >> [quoted text muted] > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') That is the "cat's meow"! MLB Response from twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---): > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=7161113 > 3&Sequence=0&res=high Aw, man. Too cool! *sniffles* I want some kitty whiskers. *yells at Gabby* "Hurry up with the whiskers, lady!" Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=71611133&Sequence=0& res=high Wow! You have lots of whiskers--and a tooth. I wish I got a baby tooth.... SignatureJean B. Jean B wrote: >>Wow! You have lots of whiskers--and a >> tooth. I wish I got a baby tooth.... Unfortunately that is not a baby tooth. Amber lost it. Her breath smelled awful so it was off to the vet followed by a dental cleaning. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Response from twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---): > Jean B wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Unfortunately that is not a baby tooth. Amber lost it. Her breath > smelled awful so it was off to the vet followed by a dental cleaning. Well that sucks. Did she have a cavity or something? I was wondering myself how I would get one of Gabby's baby teeth. My puppies always lost their's have a nice bone or two. Somehow I do not think I should be giving Gabby a ham hock or cow femur... ...or could I? Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >Response from twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---): > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >puppies always lost their's have a nice bone or two. Somehow I do not >think I should be giving Gabby a ham hock or cow femur... Just keep an eye for double fangs and if you see that, start checking for when she is back to a single. Then search everywhere. >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=1777604&a=13746150&p=71611133&Sequence=0& res=high > >Wow! You have lots of whiskers--and a tooth. I wish I got a >baby tooth.... I got lucky with mine. Chase had double fangs for a couple weeks, so I checked him a couple times a day. When he lost the first one, I searched everywhere I could think of. Beds, food bowls, cat trees, rugs, etc. No luck. After he kost the second one, I searched again and found it on the living room floor. I have had 3 of my own cats from kittens and I never saw a double fang and never saw any kitten teeth. > Well, in their defense, I doubt they would recommend something that > the doctor themselves did not recommend. Not all vets are in it solely for the health of the animal. Some are in it mainly for the money. > I could be wrong though. And I am actually going to ask them today > to be sure. If they are giving me misinformation or suggestions the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Now, for the rest of your response... um... you have to clip kitty > claws? Where in the world am I getting MY information? With a claw trimmer, just clip the tip of each claw, before the pink part. Get kitty used to it asap my touching her paws gently every day so she gets used to her paws being handled. Praise and talk sweetly the whole time so it becomes a nice experience. If you don't clip the claws, they can become very long and very sharp and will hook into everything as they walk and play. Even our outdoor cat needs to be clipped because walking on grass doesn't stop them from growing too long. > I was told by many not to worry about cutting their nails. That in > fact a good scratching area (which I have provided three of) was > sufficient enough to help them shed their claws. They shed the outer layer, but the claws still grow and grow. > Assuming this is incorrect, I will explain "shed their claws" to > avoid further confusion. I was told that cats claws were similar to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks for the feedback, Meghan. PLEASE DO NOT DECLAW YOUR CAT. They suffer horribly, even with pain medication. Bobble Response from bobblespin <nospam@nothing.com>: > With a claw trimmer, just clip the tip of each claw, before the > pink part. Get kitty used to it asap my touching her paws gently [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > outdoor cat needs to be clipped because walking on grass doesn't > stop them from growing too long. Do you have a recommendation for one? I was recently reading an article about using a dremel on doggy toe nails, but I imagine that Gabby's are too small to use a dremel on. > PLEASE DO NOT DECLAW YOUR CAT. They suffer horribly, even with > pain medication. Fine by me. Thanks for the feedback, Bobble. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > Do you have a recommendation for one? I was recently reading an > article about using a dremel on doggy toe nails, but I imagine that > Gabby's are too small to use a dremel on. We've used this kind for about 25 years. Maybe there are better ones out now, but this has always worked fine for us. I'm sure they're available anywhere pet supplies are sold. http://tinyurl.com/2493fw Bobble Response from bobblespin <nospam@nothing.com>: >> Do you have a recommendation for one? I was recently reading an >> article about using a dremel on doggy toe nails, but I imagine [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/2493fw Hrmm... actually, the point of the dremel article was basically that those type that "pinch" the nail between a sharpened edge and a flat spot can hurt the animal because it pinches the "quick." http://homepages.udayton.edu/~merensjp/doberdawn/index.html You can immediately see where she talks about it under the heading of "Why I Dremel Instead of Clip?" I take it though since you have used it for over 25 years there should not be anything wrong with that method. Maybe it is only for LARGE dog nails? Thanks again, Bobble. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. I've never clipped my cat's claws either, I wouldn't dare for a start! He uses the old sofa (and the new sofa when I'm out), the tree outside and anything else he fancies, he, after all, a cat.... I reckon if you can't handle everything in the house being systematically moulted on, hairballed up on, licked, scratched etc - don't live with a cat! Marcia > Response from Meghan Noecker <fries...@zoocrewphoto.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am > kidding. No I am not. > I've never clipped my cat's claws either, I wouldn't dare for a > start! He uses the old sofa (and the new sofa when I'm out), the tree [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > systematically moulted on, hairballed up on, licked, scratched etc - > don't live with a cat! That's not helpful, Marcia, for those who don't want to live in a nasty place and have all their things wrecked. It is easy to trim nails and get things that cats prefer to scratch. Response from "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>: >> I've never clipped my cat's claws either, I wouldn't dare for a >> start! He uses the old sofa (and the new sofa when I'm out), the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > nasty place and have all their things wrecked. It is easy to trim > nails and get things that cats prefer to scratch. I appreciate all feedback, but that was a little bleak sounding. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. > > I've never clipped my cat's claws either, I wouldn't dare for a > > start! He uses the old sofa (and the new sofa when I'm out), the tree [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > nasty place and have all their things wrecked. It is easy to trim > nails and get things that cats prefer to scratch. He has a variety of scratching posts and things he's supposed to like to scratch, I've also sprayed the furniture with cat repellent, it doesn't work on him, it wouldn't be easy for me to trim his nails and I don't want to hurt him - he doesn't scratch the furniture in front of me, he knows he's not supposed to do, he's 17 and is very wise! My place isn't nasty by the way LOL. >Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >doctor would not recommend then I will seriously reevaluate my >sources. Keep in mind that vets make a lot of money off this, so just because a vet recommends this, it doesn't mean it is good for the cat. This is something that is done soley because the owner doesn't want damage. It is not done to help the cat's health. Most procedures at the vet are to improve the health, so we accept a vet's advice. But this one is not in the same category. >Now, for the rest of your response... um... you have to clip kitty >claws? Where in the world am I getting MY information? Yes, if a cat does not wear them down fast enough, which is unlikely in a house setting, they can curl around and go into the pad of the food. This is rare with cats, more common with dogs. But even so, letting them go uncliipped, means you will get scratched and poked often. For example, the cat is on your lap and leaps off. Those hind find will dig into your lap for a split second as they push off. If the nails are sharp, you will know it. Also, many cats will play nicely with their claws in, and you will only feel the soft feet as they play. But if the nails are too sharp, you will get scratched anyway, no fault on the cat's part. I also have a problem with Chase who likes to knead my side while I sleep. If he has a single sharp nail, I am suddenly experiencing accupuncture. It is not comfortable. So, I trim every couple weeks, though often, I just look for the one 1 or 2 that are really sharp. Get a great cat post or two that is sturdy, tall enough to stretch, and multiple surfaces (carpet, sisal, etc) so that they have no reason to try out your furniture. >I was told by many not to worry about cutting their nails. That in >fact a good scratching area (which I have provided three of) was >sufficient enough to help them shed their claws. There usually won't be a problem for them, but it would be a problem for you. >Assuming this is incorrect, I will explain "shed their claws" to >avoid further confusion. I was told that cats claws were similar to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Is that correct? Yesm you are correct, but as those outer layers come off, you get a new set of sharp knives, and that is what is going to be poking and scratching you by accident. Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: >>Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > procedures at the vet are to improve the health, so we accept a > vet's advice. But this one is not in the same category. Message-ID: <Xns99B99235EF9B4lostthreads@216.196.97.136> Make sure to read what I replied to (myself). The "friend" does indeed recommend this for various blah blah reasons. Sad. <snip> > So, I trim every couple weeks, though often, I just look for the > one 1 or 2 that are really sharp. Gotcha! <snip> >>Assuming this is incorrect, I will explain "shed their claws" to >>avoid further confusion. I was told that cats claws were similar [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a new set of sharp knives, and that is what is going to be poking > and scratching you by accident. One more thing, I was recommended soft tips and found: http://www.softclaws.com/ Do you happen to know offhand if they will still be able to hook onto a post or other scratch with these on? I am thinking that if I soften their tips that it would also prohibit them from latching on since that is the purpose soft tips after all... Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. Response from "-Lost" <maventheextrawords@techie.com>: > Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > prohibit them from latching on since that is the purpose soft tips > after all... Crud, I forgot to mention that I did read: http://www.softpaws.com/faqs.html#question7 But it does not seem possible to me. How can they fully dig in to a post, but not be able to dig into my furniture for example? Thanks. Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >Crud, I forgot to mention that I did read: > >http://www.softpaws.com/faqs.html#question7 > >But it does not seem possible to me. How can they fully dig in to a >post, but not be able to dig into my furniture for example? I don't know as I have never used them. I have heard several people say that they are very happy using them. To me, it seems easier to just clip the nails as needed and make sure they are taught not to go after the furniture. I am 35 years old, and I have grown up with cats. My parents had cats before I was born. In all those years, we only had one cat that took to scratching furniture, and we just had to be extra vigilant with her. Kitty claws are just not a big deal if you get them used to clipping. I used SoftClaws and was very disappointed. Maybe I messed up putting them on, (although I did exactly as it said). But about 6 months ago I put them on Lucky and he was playing and got his paw painfully stuck under the refrigerator and stove( Two separate occasions). Turns out that the softclaw was a little elevated over the nail so there was kind of a lip on it and it caused his paw to be stuck. The poor thing was in so much pain. I actually called the maintenance man at my apartment complex to come over and help me gently get him free. Still to this day he has a hard time with anyone getting near his paw. Mind you, I never used the soft claws again, not worth it if he has the risk of getting caught on stuff. What would have happened if I wasn't home that day? I just thank god he is ok. Anyways, I just wanted to warn you all, before the same thing happened to your beloved cats. >Response from Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com>: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >them from latching on since that is the purpose soft tips after >all... Response from "dabanana1 via CatKB.com" <u37199@uwe>: > I used SoftClaws and was very disappointed. Maybe I messed up > putting them on, (although I did exactly as it said). But about 6 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > god he is ok. Anyways, I just wanted to warn you all, before the > same thing happened to your beloved cats. Thank you for the tip, dabanana1. I am not totally convinced of their usefulness either. I am not understanding how it prevents them from hooking into furniture but supposedly they can still scratch a post. I will definitely do a test run if anything. For now I am going to stick to clipping them like so many have suggested. Oh, and when you asked what would have happened had you not been home? As soon as I read "stuck" I thought of a kitty pulling so hard, partly because of freaking out, that his claw ripped from his toe. I am definitely glad you did not have to encounter that, Lucky too. Thanks again! Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. >Oh, and when you asked what would have happened had you not been >home? As soon as I read "stuck" I thought of a kitty pulling so >hard, partly because of freaking out, that his claw ripped from his >toe. I am definitely glad you did not have to encounter that, Lucky >too. My nephew's cat actually ripped out 3 claws when my nephew tried to force him to stay in his bedroom overnight. My nephew blocked the door with crates and slept through the noise of his cat trying to pull the door open. He awoke to find blood on the floor and 2 of the claws complete, on the floor. I got home from work that night and noticed Chase was refusing to jump and looked uncomfortable. The vet checked to make sure they weren't getting infected and told us they would grow back in, which they did. It took 2-3 months. He was sore just walking around for teh first month. Then, only sore when I messed with his feet. I wasn't able to get a good look for myself for a good 2 months since I could not press on his foot to get his claws to extend. It was obviously too painful for him, so I just let the vet do it the once to check them. Meghan Noecker <friesian zoocrewphoto.com> wrote: >>Now, for the rest of your response... um... you have to clip kitty >>claws? Yes if they're too sharp for you and yours. It's usually much more difficult the first time. Funny though, I took in a stray tomcat and the first time couldn't have been easier unless he had gotten the clippers for me. He was very thin but he must've been spoiled by his prior owner, he's a great house cat. The second clipping was less acceptable, it's like he figured out what I was doing. I do expect it to get easier from this point on though. > Yes, if a cat does not wear them down fast enough, which is > unlikely in a house setting, they can curl around and go into the > pad of the food. This is rare with cats, In an inactive environment, more likely a cat will periodically shed its claws. She grabs the the claw between her teeth and prys the outer shell loose. If the room is quiet enough, you can hear the claw parts creaking like wood as they are being pulled apart. Or maybe she's just a nailbiter (kidding). > Path: newssvr14.news.prodigy.net!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:10:52 -0500 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > X-Postfilter: 1.3.35 > Xref: prodigy.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:464933 Response from John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid>: > Meghan Noecker <friesian zoocrewphoto.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the claw parts creaking like wood as they are being pulled apart. > Or maybe she's just a nailbiter (kidding). Haha, that sounds cool. Then again I am a mite off in the noggin. She is an indoor kitty and DEFINITELY active so hopefully she will help me out for the most part with the nails. I will still keep an active eye out for the need to clip. Thanks for the information, John Doe. P.S. I see you use Xnews (good choice). You know there is a MUCH newer version available right? Signature-Lost Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am kidding. No I am not. John Doe is really Mark Bender, arrested twice for domestic violence and sued into abject poverty. Here is the official report on him. 29-10947 Mark O. Bender 7/25/2007 Dossier REQUEST OF CLIENT On July 24, 2007, Martin Markoe with eMicrophones, Inc. contacted Kelmar & Associates, with the request for a full background/dossier on Mr. Mark O. Bender. SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION Our office found Mr. Mark Bender's current address is 509 Frost, SATX 78201, to be owned by Ms. Gloria Trevino. There are many rental homes in this area. Mr. Bender has never owned property. He does not own a vehicle. He doesn't have a TX Driver's license. He does have a TX State ID. He has been arrested twice for Assault/Family/Domestic Violence. Both charges were dismissed. There is a possibility that the "Mark Bender" named in the Bexar County Civil case for damages could be the same Mark Orrin Bender with in this report. The court documents would to be ordered at any additional cost to the client. Custom Comprehensive Report Date: 07/24/07 Report processed by: KELMAR AND ASSOCIATES M16489 2553 JACKSON KELLER STE 200 San Antonio, TX 78230 (210) 342-0509 Main Phone (210) 342-0731 Fax Report Legend: - Shared Address - Deceased - Probable Current Address Subject Information: Name: MARK ORRIN BENDER DOB:01/22/1957 SSN: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and 12/31/1973 Age: 50 Others Associated With Subjects SSN: (DOES NOT usually indicate any type of fraud or deception) [None Found] Comprehensive Report Summary: (Click on Link to see detail) Names Associated With Subject: None Found Others Associated With Subjects SSN: None Found Bankruptcies: None Found Liens and Judgments: None Found UCC Filings: None Found People at Work: None Found Driver's License: None Found Address(es) Found: 1 Verified and 5 Non-Verified Found Possible Properties Owned: None Found Motor Vehicles Registered: None Found Watercraft: None Found FAA Certifications: None Found FAA Aircrafts: None Found Possible Criminal Records: 1 Found Sexual Offenses: None Found Professional Licenses: None Found Voter Registration: 1 Found Hunting/Fishing Permit: None Found Concealed Weapons Permit: None Found Possible Associates: None Found Possible Relatives: 1st Degree - None Found 2nd Degree - None Found 3rd Degree - None Found Neighbors: 1st Neighborhood - 3 Found 2nd Neighborhood - None Found 3rd Neighborhood - 2 Found Bankruptcies: [None Found] Liens and Judgments: [None Found] UCC Filings: [None Found] People at Work: [None Found] Driver's License/State ID Information: Texas ID Detail: Name BENDER,MARK ORRIN License number 20826255 Address 5320 BLANCO #1803 DOB Jan 22 1957 Class I City/Zip SAN ANTONIO 78216 Last transaction date Apr 9 2003 Last transaction Original, not permit or MRDL Above information as provided by state - Our annotations are below Address (click to find others) 5320 Blanco Rd Apt 1803 City/State/Zip (click to find others) San Antonio , TX 78216-7052 Address Summary: 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007) 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003) 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999) 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992) 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY Active Address(es): MARK O BENDER - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007) Current phones listed at this address: BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107 TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743 Property Ownership Information for this Address Property: Parcel Number - 08441-026-0240 Lot Number - 24 Owner Name 1 - TREVINO GLORIA C Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY Owner's Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY Land Usage - SFR Total Value - $79,610 Land Value - $13,230 Improvement Value - $66,380 Land Size - 9,000 Year Built - 1926 Homestead Exemption - YES Exterior Walls - STUCCO Roof Type - ASPHALT SHINGLE Air Conditioning - AC.CENTRAL Heating - FORCED AIR Sale Price - $0 Legal Description - NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT 24 & 25 & 26 Data Source - A Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 37 Median Household Income: $38,438 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $47,100 Average Years of Education: 10 Previous And Non-Verified Address(es): MARK ORRIN BENDER - 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003) Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 30 Median Household Income: $32,417 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $50,100 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999) SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 32 Median Household Income: $18,304 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992) NIMITZ APARTMENTS (210) 341-5285 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 29 Median Household Income: $23,611 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $65,500 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 32 Median Household Income: $18,304 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300 Average Years of Education: 12 MARK O BENDER - 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY SAN ANTONIO STATION (210) 614-3679 Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census) Average Age: 41 Median Household Income: $31,783 Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $111,800 Average Years of Education: 14 Possible Properties Owned by Subject: [None Found] Motor Vehicles Registered To Subject: [None Found] Possible Criminal Records: Texas Arrest Report: Name: MARK BEDNER SSN: 507-82-xxxx Address: 5200 BLANCO RD 407, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7074 State of Origin: Texas County of Origin: Bexar Party Status: REL'D ON P-R BOND DOB: 01/22/1957 Race: White Sex: Male Eyes: BLUE Height: 5' 06" Weight: 160 Arrests: Arrest #1 Case Type: Arrest Date: 01/25/1987 Arresting Agency: Arrest Type: Arrest Disposition Date: 01/25/1987 Court Fine: Offense: ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY Arrest Statute: Agency Case #: 366381 Arrest Level/Degree: Class A Misdemeanor Arrest Disposition: BOOKED CASE NUMBER 366381 displayed successfully Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System 07/24/2007 Texas Case Page 10:46:19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Court Case Number Defendant Name Date of CR7 366381 BEDNER, MARK Birth 01/22/1957 Offense Description Level Sex: MALE 02/21/1986 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race: WHITE Location : CLOSED Last Setting: Grand Jury: 05/13/1986 FILED Case Status: 06/29/1987 *** JN CLOSED *** Disposition : 06/29/1987 DSMD-INTRST JUSTCE Judgement : Bond: CLS 06/29/1987 1500.00 Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS, PERSONAL Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy Hrs MIKE HERVEY 9546500 Term: Fine: Court Cost: CASE NUMBER 348742 displayed successfully Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System 07/25/2007 Texas Case Page 09:57:05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Court Case Number Defendant Name Date of CR7 348742 BEDNER, MARK Birth 01/22/1957 Offense Description Level Sex: MALE 08/05/1985 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race: WHITE Location : CLOSED Last Setting: 09/23/1985 TRIAL Grand Jury: 08/12/1985 FILED Case Status: 08/12/1988 *** JN CLOSED *** Disposition : 09/23/1985 DSMD- OTHER Judgement : Bond: CLS 09/23/1985 800.00 Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS, PERSONAL PROGRAM Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy Hrs MERCEDES JEAN KUTCH 11770545 Term: Fine: Court Cost: Bexar Possible Civil: Cause Nbr 1986CI10562 displayed successfully ***** Bexar County Centralized Docket System ***** 07/24/2007 - Docket Information - 11:04:15 ______________________________________________________________________________ Selection: __ Actions: _ (A,C,D,M,P) CASE NBR: 1986CI10562____ PRINT RT LABELS? N (Y/ N) Date Filed: 06/12/1986 Court: 166_ Unpaid Balance: 0.00 Type of Docket: PID__ PERSONAL INJURY & DAMAGES * * * S T Y L E * * * MAX WHITMAN & HARRIET WHITMAN_____________________ VS MARK BENDER &_____________________________________ DISCOVERY LEVEL: _ Account Type: __ Account Number: ____________ Access: _ PUBLIC Status: D DISPOSED List Type: C CIVIL Litigant(s) for Cause Nbr 1986CI10562 displayed successfully ***** Bexar County Centralized Docket System ***** 07/24/2007 - Litigant Information - 11:05:23 ______________________________________________________________________________ Selection: __ Case Nbr: 1986CI10562____ Style: MAX WHITMAN & HARRIET WHITMAN vs MARK BENDER & Court: 166 Docket Type: PERSONAL INJURY & DAMAGES Status: DISPOSED Actions: (A,D,M,P) Unpaid Balance: 0.00 Account Number: Seq Last /First /Middle Name Lit. Type/Attorney Date _ 00001 WHITMAN MAX PLAINTIFF 06/12/1986 DROZD, LINDA M 210 498-0663 _ 00002 WHITMAN HARRIET PLAINTIFF 06/12/1986 DROZD, LINDA M 210 498-0663 _ 00003 BENDER MARK DEFENDANT 06/12/1986 EZZELL, JAMES MICHAE 210 731-6300 _ 00004 DR PEPPER BOTTLING COMPANY DEFENDANT 06/12/1986 EZZELL, JAMES MICHAE 210 731-6300 TX Criminal: SUBJECT INFORMATION Name: mark bender Social Security #: -- Birth Date: 01/22/1957 Alias Last: Alias First: Race/Gender: / Criminal Record (mark bender) TX - * Statewide PLUS * Status: Completed (CLEAR) # Years Searched: 7 Date Completed: 7/25/2007 9:59:56 AM Reporting Period: 07/25/2000 - 07/25/2007 Additional Info: *** Instant search results *** No record found Sexual Offenses: [None Found] Professional License(s): [None Found] Voter Registration: Name: MARK BENDER Address: 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912 DOB: 01/22/1957 Gender: Male Registration Date: 12/08/1984 State of Registration: Texas Status: Active Hunting/Fishing Permit: [None Found] Concealed Weapons Permit: [None Found] Possible Associates: [None Found] Possible Relatives: [None Found] Neighbors: Neighborhood: 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Oct 1991) Residents: MARK O BENDER Age: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and 12/31/1973 ANDREA TREVINO Age: 463-76-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1963 and 12/31/1963 GLORIA C TREVINO DOB: 05/19/1947 Age: 60 463-76-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1963 and 12/31/1963 MICHELE TREVINO Age: 457-71-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1985 MICHELLE TREVINO Age: 457-71-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1985 VICENTE L TREVINO Age: 463-62-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1956 and 12/31/1957 Current phones listed at this address: TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743 BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107 Address(es): 508 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3346, BEXAR COUNTY LUZMCARMEN CAMPOS Age: CAMPOS LUZMCARMEN (210) 736-6798 510 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3346, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007) MONICA ANGUINAGA Age: ANGUINAGA MONICA (210) 731-8828 507 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Jun 2002 - Jun 2007) Residents: ELIZABETH DALIA ROMAN DOB: 03/14/1973 Age: 34 453-73-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1986 ENRIQUE VAZQUEZ ROMAN DOB: 10/18/1956 Age: 50 450-57-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1982 and 12/31/1982 JESSE ENRIQUE ROMAN DOB: 11/13/1976 Age: 30 466-71-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1985 TERESA G ROMAN Age: 459-36-xxxx issued in Texas between 01/01/1936 and 12/31/1951 Neighborhood: 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003) Neighborhood: 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT E203, BALCONES HTS TX 78201-1925, BEXAR COUNTY SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767 Address(es): 4205 FREDERICKSBURG RD, BALCONES HTS TX 78201-1902, BEXAR COUNTY TACO CABANA (210) 733-3911 4220 FREDERICKSBURG RD, BALCONES HTS TX 78201-1901, BEXAR COUNTY WORLD CAR MAZDA ISUZU SUZUKI (210) 735-6000 Bexar County Appraisal District- Property Rolls Account Property ID: 415948 Legal Description: NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT 24 & 25 & 26 Geographic ID: 08441-026-0240 Agent Code: Type: Real Location Address: 509 FROST Mapsco: 581F5 Neighborhood: LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS (SA) Map ID: Neighborhood CD: 57017 Owner Name: TREVINO GLORIA C Owner ID: 316021 Mailing Address: 509 FROST SAN ANTONIO, TX 78201-3347 % Ownership: 100.0000000000% Exemptions: HS Values (+) Improvement Homesite Value: + $78,340 (+) Improvement Non-Homesite Value: + $0 (+) Land Homesite Value: + $13,230 (+) Land Non-Homesite Value: + $0 Ag / Timber Use Value (+) Agricultural Market Valuation: + $0 $0 (+) Timber Market Valuation: + $0 $0 -------------------------- (=) Market Value: = $91,570 (-) Ag or Timber Use Value Reduction: - $0 -------------------------- (=) Appraised Value: = $91,570 (-) HS Cap: - $6,507 -------------------------- (=) Assessed Value: = $85,063 Taxing Jurisdiction Owner: TREVINO GLORIA C % Ownership: 100.0000000000% Total Value: $91,570 Entity Description Tax Rate Appraised Value Taxable Value Estimated Tax 06 BEXAR CO RD & FLOOD 0.012719 $91,570 $82,063 $10.44 08 SA RIVER AUTH 0.016045 $91,570 $80,063 $12.85 09 ALAMO COM COLLEGE 0.137050 $91,570 $85,063 $116.58 10 UNIV HEALTH SYSTEM 0.243869 $91,570 $85,063 $207.44 11 BEXAR COUNTY 0.314147 $91,570 $85,063 $267.22 21 CITY OF SAN ANTONIO 0.578540 $91,570 $85,063 $492.12 57 SAN ANTONIO ISD 1.249700 $91,570 $70,063 $875.58 CAD BEXAR APPRAISAL DISTRICT 0.000000 $91,570 $85,063 $0.00 Total Tax Rate: 2.552070 Taxes w/Current Exemptions: $1,982.23 Taxes w/o Exemptions: $2,170.87 Improvement / Building Improvement #1: Residential State Code: A1 Living Area: 1193.0 sqft Value: $61,750 Type Description Class CD Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT LA Living Area F SS 1926 1112.0 OP Attached Open Porch F 1926 24.0 OP Attached Open Porch F 1926 70.0 LA Living Area F 1926 81.0 Improvement #2: Residential State Code: A1 Living Area: sqft Value: $6,890 Type Description Class CD Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT DLA2 Detached Living Area 2 F 288.0 Improvement #3: Residential State Code: A1 Living Area: sqft Value: $6,890 Type Description Class CD Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT DLA1 Detached Living Area 1 F 288.0 Improvement #4: Residential State Code: A1 Living Area: sqft Value: $2,810 Type Description Class CD Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT CPT Detached Carport F 420.0 Land # Type Description Acres Sqft Eff Front Eff Depth Market Value Prod. Value 1 RES R/1 Family not Farm Single 0.2066 9000.00 75.00 120.00 $13,230 $0 Roll Value History Year Improvements Land Market Ag Valuation Appraised HS Cap Assessed 2007 $78,340 $13,230 0 91,570 $6,507 $85,063 2006 $66,380 $13,230 0 79,610 $2,280 $77,330 2005 $57,100 & |
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