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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2007Peeing Outside the Box
Mingy is now 9 1/2 years old. He has blocked once and plugged once. He has not peed in either of his litter boxes for at least 48 hours. He has, within the last two weeks or so, started peeing around the house though. I brought him to the hospital yesterday to make sure he wasn't blocked or plugged, and, on the basis of his small bladder, they said he wasn't. They did take a urine sample, and we'll have the results today, IIRC. This episode is kind-of odd to me, because Ming is not even trying to use his potty for peeing. When he was last doing so, I did not observe anything odd--he was in and out quickly, didn't stop to lick, didn't then proceed to pee on the floor, etc. In fact, the only possibly suspicious licking I have seen was after he went to the hospital, and I thought that might be because they had extracted urine with a needle or because he had the alien smell on him. Anyway, after we get the urinalysis, we will explore what might be causing this behavior. In the meantime, I was wondering whether any of you who have had cats who started urinating in inappropriate places have tried getting more litter boxes and putting them in various new places? If so, did it help at all?  SignatureJean B. Hi Jean B, So sorry to hear that Mingy is experiencing bladder trouble. My Noel went through three blockages in one year before we finally resolved his problem. I can sympathize with what you are both going through. I'm no expert but through personal experience and a lot of reading I found that some cats who experience painful urination begin to associate the litter box with the pain and avoid peeing in the litter. This may be the problem with Mingy. It may help to try a new litter box in a new place to break the painful association he has made. Best to talk with your vet after you have the results of the tests but your idea of changing the box and its location sounds like it may be worth a try. Best of luck with Mingy. Let us know how he gets along. Johnna >^..^< >Mingy is now 9 1/2 years old. He has blocked once and plugged >once. He has not peed in either of his litter boxes for at [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >litter boxes and putting them in various new places? If so, >did it help at all? > Hi Jean B, > So sorry to hear that Mingy is experiencing bladder trouble. My Noel went [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be worth a try. Best of luck with Mingy. Let us know how he gets along. > Johnna >^..^< I got the results of his urinalysis--and was most interested to hear he had no crystals--also no UTI and good concentration. I said "this is good and bad news", and the vet agreed. She said it was either something physical (necessitating bloodwork and imaging) or behavioral. I opined that he was always so good about using the potty. (The only other time he had peed elsewhere was when he was blocking/plugging.) She said cats can develop behavioral problems. I then had some odd thoughts--one being that maybe he was mad at me because I have been trying harder to get him to eat what I want him to eat. Since I had just gotten good feedback on the state of his urine, I decided to humor him. I also got him a new litterbox and put new litter in it. He has since used it twice--that after not using it at all for peeing for 2+ days. Thinking about this more, the only odd behavior I have seen from him is that he seems confused in the litter box.... SignatureJean B. > Anyway, after we get the urinalysis, we will explore what might be causing > this behavior. In the meantime, I was wondering whether any of you who > have had cats who started urinating in inappropriate places have tried > getting more litter boxes and putting them in various new places? If so, > did it help at all? We have not tried that. We have a cat who expresses her emotions with her bladder. She pees outside the box when she is either unhappy with us or trying to get our attention for some other, unfathomable reason. (I can't pretend to know what is going on in that hard little head. She gets tons of love and affection and play, too.) All we have done is keep her out of the room that was her favorite pee spot, and tried to address what might be making her unhappy. She's a little bladder bully. (And YES, she has been to the vet, goes several times a year for other things and has never had any type of bladder infection. She is hyperthyroid and has mild heart disease. > We have not tried that. We have a cat who expresses her > emotions with her bladder. She pees outside the box when [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and has never had any type of bladder infection. She is > hyperthyroid and has mild heart disease. Interesting. I was wondering whether he might possibly be trying to express his unhappiness with my not giving him the food he wants. I thought I must be crazy to think a cat would retaliate. Maybe not though!!!!! BTW, I didn't put boxes where I have discovered his pee. I did put waterproof baby mats in those places though. I really SHOULD get a waterproof mattress pad just in case.... SignatureJean B. > Mingy is now 9 1/2 years old. He has blocked once and plugged > once. He has not peed in either of his litter boxes for at [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > Jean B. You have to make sure that your cat does not have Urinary Tract Infection - I'd say take him to the vet immediately! Alex http://PersianKittenEmpire.Com > You have to make sure that your cat does not have Urinary Tract > Infection - I'd say take him to the vet immediately! > > Alex > http://PersianKittenEmpire.Com Yup. They did that when I took him in. I was kind-of hoping it would come back positive, since that would have been a definitive answer, but he does not have a UTI! BTW, he is a color-carrier Persian. I think that is the term for the Himmies that are one color? I may vaguely recall they are predisposed to urinary problems.... SignatureJean B. > > You have to make sure that your cat does not have Urinary Tract > > Infection - I'd say take him to the vet immediately! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Jean B. I wonder, does he choose the same places to urinate on most of the time-whether it be @ the bottom of the stairs or in the kitchen or even the bedroom? The reason I ask this, is to help with damage limitation. I had a cat that started to get a little senile in his old age, & used to pee in all sorts of places, so what we used to do was put down inexpensive bathroom mats down right on his favoured places so that when he did go, @ least we were able to remove the rubber backed mats & throw them straight in the washing machine. we had about 2 spares that we kept for the same reason. Whilst one was in the washer, the other two were down to try & save the carpet. It worked for us, & I hope it helps you from a practical position, if not any other. IMO agree, I would have thought that the urination in inappropriate places is normally down to a UTI. Did your vet have any realistic prognosis? Sheelagh >"o"< >>> You have to make sure that your cat does not have Urinary Tract >>> Infection - I'd say take him to the vet immediately! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > prognosis? > Sheelagh >"o"< I put baby mats in the two places I noticed. Otherwise, it is kind-of random. In the meantime, he is not eating much. It's off to the vet's tomorrow. She said he might be traumatized from his hospital visit. I sure hope we don't discover something awful. I LOVE Mingy. SignatureJean B. > >>> You have to make sure that your cat does not have Urinary Tract > >>> Infection - I'd say take him to the vet immediately! [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I wish you all the best. we will be thinking of you & Mingy. Good Luck & we hope to hear some good news tomorrow, Best Wishes, Sheelagh >"o"< > I wish you all the best. we will be thinking of you & Mingy. > Good Luck & we hope to hear some good news tomorrow, > Best Wishes, > Sheelagh >"o"< Thanks! Ming's blood work came back fine. I have been out looking for food--will settle down later to do some searches. I just am hoping for some quick answers. I went to an upscale pet food store and got some canned food he hasn't tried. (The vet is not concerned about his history of struvite crystals at this point--just getting calories into him.) The Wellness kitten food smelled yummy to me but not to him. I asked for samples of dry food, so I don't have to buy and return a million bags. The Wellness chicken initially interested Ming, but it is very small, and he lost interest. I then added some California Natural chicken, and he ate a bit of that--more than I've seen him eat for 4 1/2 days, so that is good. In the meantime the vet called and wants to do xrays on Monday. I'd rather let him recover more, but if he is still not acting right, I'd better just get him in ASAP. Poor little thing. She mentioned trying something like Prozac if there is no obvious physical cause, but I'd have to look into that. SignatureJean B. > > I wish you all the best. we will be thinking of you & Mingy. > > Good Luck & we hope to hear some good news tomorrow, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > -- > Jean B. Jean, I understand what you are saying, & why too. However, you must listen to the experts too. If they want x rays done, then best to get them done out of the way. God Forbid anything is wrong with him, but better to know now whilst something can be done. Please think of me as an old auntie you are humouring?! I'm right here with you. Get them done, OK? I know what I'm asking is expensive, but he is definately worth it. You have made that clear when you talk of him affectionately. Everyone can see that here. When trying to get a dog to eat, most dogs normally want what you have. Heat the meat slightly in the microwave, but test the heat personally before serving!, or add boiled cooled off boiled water to it. It becomes like a soup/ consume & they are getting the goodness out of that plus extra nutrients from the meat hopefully. Like us, Dogs like what smells good to them. by heating it ever so slightly, they can smell it stronger & hopefully her appetite will kick in. One thing @ a time. feed him, then have xrays, & think about what to do after the x rays. It could be something really simple that they need to eliminate. Try not to worry too much. Treat yourself to a long bath, & spend some you time with Mingy. He'll appreciate your soft company. He trusts you implicitly. Keep in touch & let us know how he's getting on, won't you? I would really appreciate that if you have time? Purrs & Head Rubs, Sheelagh>"o"< > Jean, I understand what you are saying, & why too. However, you must > listen to the experts too. If they want x rays done, then best to get [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > worth it. You have made that clear when you talk of him > affectionately. Everyone can see that here. Oh, I am not thinking about the expense. I may go "ouch" a bit, but he is worth every penny. He just gets so stressed out by these trips, and the vets have said he might be reacting to the stress. Still, it will be Monday or a couple of days later--not later than that. > When trying to get a dog to eat, most dogs normally want what you > have. Heat the meat slightly in the microwave, but test the heat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Dogs like what smells good to them. by heating it ever so slightly, > they can smell it stronger & hopefully her appetite will kick in. Alas, Ming is not a dog--he is a very picky cat. In fact, another one of my theories is that I was trying to make him eat more of what I wanted him to eat.... One > thing @ a time. feed him, then have xrays, & think about what to do > after the x rays. It could be something really simple that they need > to eliminate. Try not to worry too much. Treat yourself to a long > bath, & spend some you time with Mingy. He'll appreciate your soft > company. He trusts you implicitly. I'm the only one he DOES trust, for better or for worse. > Keep in touch & let us know how he's getting on, won't you? I would > really appreciate that if you have time? > Purrs & Head Rubs, > Sheelagh>"o"< Will do, and thanks! SignatureJean B. > > Jean, I understand what you are saying, & why too. However, you must > > listen to the experts too. If they want x rays done, then best to get [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > -- > Jean B. What on earth made me write "Dog", Lol ??? Never mind, I meant to say *cat*.... Best of luck all the same, Sheelagh >"o"< >>> Jean, I understand what you are saying, & why too. However, you must >>> listen to the experts too. If they want x rays done, then best to get [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Best of luck all the same, > Sheelagh >"o"< Heh! I did wonder about that! :-) SignatureJean B.
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