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Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 01:03 GMT Hi all
My friend just called me. Her cat sustained some kind of an injury on Thursday, and hasn't been eating since, and growls when she drinks. She's also been staggering about a bit, and right after whatever happened, her tongue was sticking out. My friend had heard some kind of bang, and thinks perhaps the cat got caught in the door when it was blown shut by the wind.
Anyway, my friend will take the cat to the vet on Monday, as she can't afford the emergency vet. I was wondering if it would be dangerous to give the cat some sub-cutaneous fluids in the meantime. I have a bag and needles left over from when I was giving my cat fluids last year.
Cheers.
Toni
Karen Chuplis - 16 May 2004 02:13 GMT > Hi all > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Toni I'd say borrowing a credit card and getting the cat to an emergency vet NOW would be a much better option.
karen
Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 03:22 GMT > I'd say borrowing a credit card and getting the cat to an emergency vet NOW > would be a much better option. Yes, well, she has no income, so repaying whoever loaned her the credit card would be impossible. As it is she has to ask her ex's family to pay for the regular vet bill.
I saw the cat, gave her some subQ fluids. She looks fine, doesn't respond negatively to any touching, but when given a little catnip, she started sort of growling and pawing at the side of her mouth, the way a dog does when it gets something stuck to the roof of its mouth. Perhaps she sustained some damage to her palate or jaw? I'm giving her some cans of a/d to get her through to Monday, hopefully the soft texture will encourage her to eat.
Toni
Karen Chuplis - 16 May 2004 08:24 GMT >> I'd say borrowing a credit card and getting the cat to an emergency vet > NOW [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Toni Could have broken her jaw. Happened to one of our cats once. She really needs to see a vet. It will be okay if it isn't displaced, but, really, she needs a vet.
Karen
Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 15:47 GMT > Could have broken her jaw. Happened to one of our cats once. She really > needs to see a vet. It will be okay if it isn't displaced, but, really, she > needs a vet. She's going first thing tomorrow. What if the jaw is displaced? Can they replace it by manipulation, or will it require surgery?
Karen Chuplis - 16 May 2004 16:29 GMT >> Could have broken her jaw. Happened to one of our cats once. She really >> needs to see a vet. It will be okay if it isn't displaced, but, really, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > She's going first thing tomorrow. What if the jaw is displaced? Can they > replace it by manipulation, or will it require surgery? I do not know. Sorry. I hope it is not.
Karen
~*Connie*~ - 16 May 2004 05:24 GMT > Hi all > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Toni subq's never hurt.. and the A/D isn't a bad idea either.. if you have both of those, you obviously know that eating is important. Were you able to look in the cat's mouth??
Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 16:12 GMT > subq's never hurt.. and the A/D isn't a bad idea either.. if you have both > of those, you obviously know that eating is important. Were you able to look > in the cat's mouth?? We tried, even my friend was afraid (my nickname for the cat is Psycho). As soon as we tried to open her mouth, the growling started, so we didn't want to cause her any more pain. At one point, the cat was eating the a/d, we could see that something was irritating her jaw. She started rubbing her jaw with both paws at once, crossed.
I really hope this isn't something that's going to require major work, for my friend's sake. I call her "The Cat Whisperer"...she's got three, when she can barely afford one, but she's such a softie. She gave me my cat, Timothy, after rescuing him from Kensington Market in Toronto. She couldn't keep three cats in her apartment, so begged me to take him. Then she promptly took in a stray from her own neighbourhood. She has more heart than sense.
kaeli - 17 May 2004 14:44 GMT > I really hope this isn't something that's going to require major work, for > my friend's sake. I call her "The Cat Whisperer"...she's got three, when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > promptly took in a stray from her own neighbourhood. She has more heart > than sense. If she had children, would she just wait to take them to the doctor if they were injured?
It isn't kind to take on animals you can't afford to keep well and healthy. It's cruel when something like this happens and the animal has to suffer for days before it can be treated.
Where I live, she could be arrested for cruelty for failing to get medical care for her cat. No matter how much a person loves their pets, it is cruel and selfish to keep them if they can't afford to properly get care in an emergency. I don't know about where you all live, if there are good animal shelters there, or what kinds of assistance programs you all have, but here, the ASPCA has programs to assist people who are financially challenged. You may want to check with your local RSPCA or animal shelter to see what programs they have, if any, in case something like this happens again. Many of our local shelters will work with owners so they can make payments and some vets will discount services if a person is poverty level or below ("sliding scale").
Good luck and I hope the cat turns out all right.
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Toni from T.O. - 17 May 2004 21:45 GMT > If she had children, would she just wait to take them to the doctor if > they were injured? Can a doctor refuse treatment until getting half the money up front? No. Can a vet? Yup.
> It isn't kind to take on animals you can't afford to keep well and > healthy. It's cruel when something like this happens and the animal has > to suffer for days before it can be treated. Well as a matter of fact, she could afford to keep the cats when she got them, but circumstances change. Now she spends a hefty chunk of her meagre income on Medi-Cal food for them.
> Where I live, she could be arrested for cruelty for failing to get > medical care for her cat. No matter how much a person loves their pets, > it is cruel and selfish to keep them if they can't afford to properly > get care in an emergency. Perhaps you would like to adopt one or more of them? One ginger tom, very affectionate. One long-haired orange tom, also quite affectionate. She's not parting with the injured kitty for her life.
> Good luck and I hope the cat turns out all right. She saw the vet today...nothing broken, no injury to palate. Tigger was given an appetite stimulant and is now wolfing down wet food like there's no tomorrow. She's been put on antibiotics as the vet suspected a throat infection.
My friend was quoted, over the phone, $400 for emergency treatment. Taking the cat to a different vet today cost her $196.00. As she can't even afford that, the saving of $200 is significant. Luckily her ex's sister-in-law works at that vet's office and probably got her a hefty discount.
Laura R. - 18 May 2004 02:03 GMT circa Mon, 17 May 2004 16:45:38 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Toni from T.O. (anospamnaughton@hotmail.com) said,
> She saw the vet today...nothing broken, no injury to palate. Tigger was > given an appetite stimulant and is now wolfing down wet food like there's no [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that, the saving of $200 is significant. Luckily her ex's sister-in-law > works at that vet's office and probably got her a hefty discount. Well, good news, then.
Laura
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kaeli - 18 May 2004 16:06 GMT > > If she had children, would she just wait to take them to the doctor if > > they were injured? > > Can a doctor refuse treatment until getting half the money up front? No. > Can a vet? Yup. The following excerpts are "codes of conduct". Some vets follow them. Some don't. Some places have laws. Some don't. I have no clue where you live, so I don't know what relevancy this has, if any.
http://www.vsb.nsw.gov.au/pages/codecon.htm (3) A veterinary surgeon who provides veterinary services directly to the public should not, without good reason, refuse to provide relief of pain or suffering of an animal. Relief may be confined to emergency treatment only or immediate referral to another veterinary surgeon.
http://www.state.ma.us/reg/boards/vt/cmr/25607.htm (22) A veterinarian shall not refuse to provide treatment to an animal unless such refusal is based on reasons such as the inadequacy of the facilities then available, failure to reach a mutual agreement with the owner regarding services, or the unavailability of all-night veterinary medical care for the animal. Where treatment is refused for such reasons, a veterinarian shall provide first aid if the animal is already on the veterinary office premises, and provide advice for, or arrange, an alternative source of veterinary medical care.
Anyone reading this, please sign the petition to have an animal bill of rights for emergencies like people. I don't know if it will help, but sign it anyway. http://www.petitionpetition.com/cgi/petition.cgi?id=6988
> > It isn't kind to take on animals you can't afford to keep well and > > healthy. It's cruel when something like this happens and the animal has [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > them, but circumstances change. Now she spends a hefty chunk of her meagre > income on Medi-Cal food for them. Circumstances DO change. That's why we have no-kill shelters, adoption agencies, and online sites to help rehome pets.
> > Where I live, she could be arrested for cruelty for failing to get > > medical care for her cat. No matter how much a person loves their pets, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > affectionate. One long-haired orange tom, also quite affectionate. She's > not parting with the injured kitty for her life. I'd be more than happy to help her find a home for them if she'd like. I'm full with two adoptees and a store rescue. I don't try to care for more than I can afford to keep (I'd be one of those people with 50 cats if I had room and money for them). There are many no-kill shelters and online adoption sites. I'd be happy to try to help her find one in her area if she needs help. The people I adopted my Jeffrey from might have some contacts. I suspect she wants to keep them and you were trying to be cute.
> > Good luck and I hope the cat turns out all right. > > She saw the vet today...nothing broken, no injury to palate. Tigger was > given an appetite stimulant and is now wolfing down wet food like there's no > tomorrow. She's been put on antibiotics as the vet suspected a throat > infection. I'm glad to hear the cat is doing better.
> My friend was quoted, over the phone, $400 for emergency treatment. Taking > the cat to a different vet today cost her $196.00. As she can't even afford > that, the saving of $200 is significant. Luckily her ex's sister-in-law > works at that vet's office and probably got her a hefty discount. It always pays to have family in the right places. *g*
I hope the kitty has a full and swift recovery. Please do check into getting some sort of emergency contingency care for these cats, just in case, god forbid, something else happens. My vet has a credit line you can apply for so you can make payments. Perhaps her vet has something similar?
If I knew what city you were in, I might be able to help more with that.
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Toni from T.O. - 19 May 2004 03:27 GMT > I'd be more than happy to help her find a home for them if she'd like. > I'm full with two adoptees and a store rescue. I don't try to care for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > some contacts. > I suspect she wants to keep them and you were trying to be cute. Well, dammit, I am cute! I had a home lined up for the ginger tom once, but my friend changed her mind at the last minute. I think this experience might make her reconsider, however.
I'm writing from Toronto, Canada. If anyone in the area is interested in a young (3-4 years old) male , neutered, ginger, affectionate, great purrer, email me (remove nospam from addy) and let's talk. He's an outdoor cat, has his claws and must stay that way.
Toni
kaeli - 19 May 2004 15:30 GMT > > I'd be more than happy to help her find a home for them if she'd like. > > I'm full with two adoptees and a store rescue. I don't try to care for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Well, dammit, I am cute! But are you single? ;) *g*
> I had a home lined up for the ginger tom once, but > my friend changed her mind at the last minute. I think this experience might [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > email me (remove nospam from addy) and let's talk. He's an outdoor cat, has > his claws and must stay that way. The following sites might help your friend.
http://www.artzwild.com/cat/ (rescue)
http://www.lovemypets.com/lmp/Rescue/Default.asp?ParentCategory=53 &ShowTheCategory=1 (rescue)
http://www.freeanimals.org/ (animal rights for the area; may have info on discount vet services)
http://www.petcareinsurance.com/can/index.asp (pet insurance for canada)
http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/programsServices.html (has a food bank and other services)
http://www.cfhs.ca/ (canadian federation of humane societies - write to them and they may have info on low-cost services in your area)
Hope all turns out well here.
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