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Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 01:03 GMT
Hi all

My friend just called me.  Her cat sustained some kind of an injury on
Thursday, and hasn't been eating since, and growls when she drinks.  She's
also been staggering about a bit, and right after whatever happened, her
tongue was sticking out.  My friend had heard some kind of bang, and thinks
perhaps the cat got caught in the door when it was blown shut by the wind.

Anyway, my friend will take the cat to the vet on Monday, as she can't
afford the emergency vet.  I was wondering if it would be dangerous to give
the cat some sub-cutaneous fluids in the meantime.  I have a bag and needles
left over from when I was giving my cat fluids last year.

Cheers.

Toni
Karen Chuplis - 16 May 2004 02:13 GMT
> Hi all
>
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>
> Toni

I'd say borrowing a credit card and getting the cat to an emergency vet NOW
would be a much better option.

karen
Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 03:22 GMT
> I'd say borrowing a credit card and getting the cat to an emergency vet NOW
> would be a much better option.

Yes, well, she has no income, so repaying whoever loaned her the credit card
would be impossible.  As it is she has to ask her ex's family to pay for the
regular vet bill.

I saw the cat, gave her some subQ fluids.  She looks fine, doesn't respond
negatively to any touching, but when given a little catnip, she started sort
of growling and pawing at the side of her mouth, the way a dog does when it
gets something stuck to the roof of its mouth.  Perhaps she sustained some
damage to her palate or jaw?  I'm giving her some cans of a/d to get her
through to Monday, hopefully the soft texture will encourage her to eat.

Toni
Karen Chuplis - 16 May 2004 08:24 GMT
>> I'd say borrowing a credit card and getting the cat to an emergency vet
> NOW
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>
> Toni

Could have broken her jaw. Happened to one of our cats once. She really
needs to see a vet. It will be okay if it isn't displaced, but, really, she
needs a vet.

Karen
Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 15:47 GMT
> Could have broken her jaw. Happened to one of our cats once. She really
> needs to see a vet. It will be okay if it isn't displaced, but, really, she
> needs a vet.

She's going first thing tomorrow.  What if the jaw is displaced?  Can they
replace it by manipulation, or will it require surgery?
Karen Chuplis - 16 May 2004 16:29 GMT
>> Could have broken her jaw. Happened to one of our cats once. She really
>> needs to see a vet. It will be okay if it isn't displaced, but, really,
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> She's going first thing tomorrow.  What if the jaw is displaced?  Can they
> replace it by manipulation, or will it require surgery?

I do not know. Sorry. I hope it is not.

Karen
~*Connie*~ - 16 May 2004 05:24 GMT
> Hi all
>
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>
> Toni

subq's never hurt.. and the A/D isn't a bad idea either.. if you have both
of those, you obviously know that eating is important. Were you able to look
in the cat's mouth??
Toni from T.O. - 16 May 2004 16:12 GMT
> subq's never hurt.. and the A/D isn't a bad idea either.. if you have both
> of those, you obviously know that eating is important. Were you able to look
> in the cat's mouth??

We tried, even my friend was afraid (my nickname for the cat is Psycho).
As soon as we tried to open her mouth, the growling started, so we didn't
want to cause her any more pain.  At one point, the cat was eating the a/d,
we could see that something was irritating her jaw. She started rubbing her
jaw with both paws at once, crossed.

I really hope this isn't something that's going to require major work, for
my friend's sake.  I call her "The Cat Whisperer"...she's got three, when
she can barely afford one, but she's such a softie. She gave me my cat,
Timothy, after rescuing him from Kensington Market in Toronto.  She couldn't
keep three cats in her apartment, so begged me to take him. Then she
promptly took in a stray from her own neighbourhood.  She has more heart
than sense.
kaeli - 17 May 2004 14:44 GMT
> I really hope this isn't something that's going to require major work, for
> my friend's sake.  I call her "The Cat Whisperer"...she's got three, when
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> promptly took in a stray from her own neighbourhood.  She has more heart
> than sense.

If she had children, would she just wait to take them to the doctor if
they were injured?

It isn't kind to take on animals you can't afford to keep well and
healthy. It's cruel when something like this happens and the animal has
to suffer for days before it can be treated.

Where I live, she could be arrested for cruelty for failing to get
medical care for her cat. No matter how much a person loves their pets,
it is cruel and selfish to keep them if they can't afford to properly
get care in an emergency.
I don't know about where you all live, if there are good animal shelters
there, or what kinds of assistance programs you all have, but here, the
ASPCA has programs to assist people who are financially challenged. You
may want to check with your local RSPCA or animal shelter to see what
programs they have, if any, in case something like this happens again.
Many of our local shelters will work with owners so they can make
payments and some vets will discount services if a person is poverty
level or below ("sliding scale").

Good luck and I hope the cat turns out all right.

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Toni from T.O. - 17 May 2004 21:45 GMT
> If she had children, would she just wait to take them to the doctor if
> they were injured?

Can a doctor refuse treatment until getting half the money up front?  No.
Can a vet? Yup.

> It isn't kind to take on animals you can't afford to keep well and
> healthy. It's cruel when something like this happens and the animal has
> to suffer for days before it can be treated.

Well as a matter of fact, she could afford to keep the cats when she got
them, but circumstances change. Now she spends a hefty chunk of her meagre
income on Medi-Cal food for them.

> Where I live, she could be arrested for cruelty for failing to get
> medical care for her cat. No matter how much a person loves their pets,
> it is cruel and selfish to keep them if they can't afford to properly
> get care in an emergency.

Perhaps you would like to adopt one or more of them?  One ginger tom, very
affectionate.  One long-haired orange tom, also quite affectionate.  She's
not parting with the injured kitty for her life.

> Good luck and I hope the cat turns out all right.

She saw the vet today...nothing broken, no injury to palate. Tigger was
given an appetite stimulant and is now wolfing down wet food like there's no
tomorrow.  She's been put on antibiotics as the vet suspected a throat
infection.

My friend was quoted, over the phone, $400 for emergency treatment.  Taking
the cat to a different vet today cost her $196.00.  As she can't even afford
that, the saving of $200 is significant.  Luckily her ex's sister-in-law
works at that vet's office and probably got her a hefty discount.
Laura R. - 18 May 2004 02:03 GMT
circa Mon, 17 May 2004 16:45:38 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Toni from T.O. (anospamnaughton@hotmail.com) said,
> She saw the vet today...nothing broken, no injury to palate. Tigger was
> given an appetite stimulant and is now wolfing down wet food like there's no
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> that, the saving of $200 is significant.  Luckily her ex's sister-in-law
> works at that vet's office and probably got her a hefty discount.

Well, good news, then.

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kaeli - 18 May 2004 16:06 GMT
> > If she had children, would she just wait to take them to the doctor if
> > they were injured?
>
> Can a doctor refuse treatment until getting half the money up front?  No.
> Can a vet? Yup.

The following excerpts are "codes of conduct". Some vets follow them.
Some don't. Some places have laws. Some don't. I have no clue where you
live, so I don't know what relevancy this has, if any.

http://www.vsb.nsw.gov.au/pages/codecon.htm
(3) A veterinary surgeon who provides veterinary services directly to
the public should not, without good reason, refuse to provide relief of
pain or suffering of an animal. Relief may be confined to emergency
treatment only or immediate referral to another veterinary surgeon.

http://www.state.ma.us/reg/boards/vt/cmr/25607.htm
(22)   A veterinarian shall not refuse to provide treatment to an animal
unless such refusal is based on reasons such as the inadequacy of the
facilities then available, failure to reach a mutual agreement with the
owner regarding services, or the unavailability of all-night veterinary  
medical care for the animal. Where treatment is refused for such
reasons, a veterinarian shall provide first aid if the animal is already
on the veterinary office premises, and provide advice for, or arrange,
an alternative source of veterinary medical care.

Anyone reading this, please sign the petition to have an animal bill of
rights for emergencies like people. I don't know if it will help, but
sign it anyway.
http://www.petitionpetition.com/cgi/petition.cgi?id=6988

> > It isn't kind to take on animals you can't afford to keep well and
> > healthy. It's cruel when something like this happens and the animal has
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> them, but circumstances change. Now she spends a hefty chunk of her meagre
> income on Medi-Cal food for them.

Circumstances DO change. That's why we have no-kill shelters, adoption
agencies, and online sites to help rehome pets.

> > Where I live, she could be arrested for cruelty for failing to get
> > medical care for her cat. No matter how much a person loves their pets,
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> affectionate.  One long-haired orange tom, also quite affectionate.  She's
> not parting with the injured kitty for her life.

I'd be more than happy to help her find a home for them if she'd like.
I'm full with two adoptees and a store rescue. I don't try to care for
more than I can afford to keep (I'd be one of those people with 50 cats
if I had room and money for them). There are many no-kill shelters and
online adoption sites. I'd be happy to try to help her find one in her
area if she needs help. The people I adopted my Jeffrey from might have
some contacts.
I suspect she wants to keep them and you were trying to be cute.

> > Good luck and I hope the cat turns out all right.
>
> She saw the vet today...nothing broken, no injury to palate. Tigger was
> given an appetite stimulant and is now wolfing down wet food like there's no
> tomorrow.  She's been put on antibiotics as the vet suspected a throat
> infection.

I'm glad to hear the cat is doing better.

> My friend was quoted, over the phone, $400 for emergency treatment.  Taking
> the cat to a different vet today cost her $196.00.  As she can't even afford
> that, the saving of $200 is significant.  Luckily her ex's sister-in-law
> works at that vet's office and probably got her a hefty discount.

It always pays to have family in the right places. *g*

I hope the kitty has a full and swift recovery.
Please do check into getting some sort of emergency contingency care for
these cats, just in case, god forbid, something else happens. My vet has
a credit line you can apply for so you can make payments. Perhaps her
vet has something similar?

If I knew what city you were in, I might be able to help more with that.

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Toni from T.O. - 19 May 2004 03:27 GMT
> I'd be more than happy to help her find a home for them if she'd like.
> I'm full with two adoptees and a store rescue. I don't try to care for
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> some contacts.
> I suspect she wants to keep them and you were trying to be cute.

Well, dammit, I am cute!  I had a home lined up for the ginger tom once, but
my friend changed her mind at the last minute. I think this experience might
make her reconsider, however.

I'm writing from Toronto, Canada.  If anyone in the area is interested in a
young (3-4 years old) male , neutered, ginger, affectionate, great purrer,
email me (remove nospam from addy) and let's talk.  He's an outdoor cat, has
his claws and must stay that way.

Toni
kaeli - 19 May 2004 15:30 GMT
> > I'd be more than happy to help her find a home for them if she'd like.
> > I'm full with two adoptees and a store rescue. I don't try to care for
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>
> Well, dammit, I am cute!  

But are you single?  ;)
*g*

> I had a home lined up for the ginger tom once, but
> my friend changed her mind at the last minute. I think this experience might
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> email me (remove nospam from addy) and let's talk.  He's an outdoor cat, has
> his claws and must stay that way.

The following sites might help your friend.

http://www.artzwild.com/cat/ (rescue)

http://www.lovemypets.com/lmp/Rescue/Default.asp?ParentCategory=53
&ShowTheCategory=1 (rescue)

http://www.freeanimals.org/  (animal rights for the area; may have info
on discount vet services)

http://www.petcareinsurance.com/can/index.asp (pet insurance for canada)

http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/programsServices.html (has a food
bank and other services)

http://www.cfhs.ca/ (canadian federation of humane societies - write to
them and they may have info on low-cost services in your area)

Hope all turns out well here.

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