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Matthew - 29 Aug 2007 21:49 GMT Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina
http://www.nola.com/katrina/
I pray for the lost ones everyday
Sheelagh >o< - 30 Aug 2007 16:49 GMT > Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina > > http://www.nola.com/katrina/ > > I pray for the lost ones everyday As do I. It must have been a terrible thing to live through for both cats and humans alike. Purrs & Prayers to them all. Sheelagh >"o"<
CatNipped - 30 Aug 2007 17:08 GMT > Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina > > http://www.nola.com/katrina/ > > I pray for the lost ones everyday This is what my daughter and her family and friends went home to when they finally let people back into the parish after about 6 weeks (these were taking by my daughter, they're not stock news footage)...
http://www.possibleplaces.com/StBernard/Erin/ My daughter's house (most of these were blurred because she was shaking and crying so badly) http://www.possibleplaces.com/StBernard/Judy/ Her mother-in-law's house http://www.possibleplaces.com/StBernard/General/ St. Bernard Parish in general This community had the dubious distinction of being the only American community that was *entirely* wiped out by a natural disaster - not a single building in the parish was left untouched by the storm surge. Most news reports focus on New Orleans, but St. Bernard was "ground zero" and took the worst of the hit. What's sad is that only about 1 out of every 200-300 houses and very few business have rebuild, so St. Bernard looks pretty much the same today as it did then! http://www.possibleplaces.com/Ninth_Ward/ The lower Ninth Ward where most lives were lost since the inhabitants were too poor to have working transportation to evacuate. http://www.possibleplaces.com/Recovery1/ This was the start of the recovery process for my daughter's family. http://www.possibleplaces.com/Recovery2/ http://www.possibleplaces.com/Recovery3/ http://www.possibleplaces.com/Recovery4/2006_01_06/ http://www.possibleplaces.com/Recovery5/2006_03_28/ http://www.possibleplaces.com/Visit_Home/Thanksgiving/ By Thanksgiving of 2006, they were just about finished, but http://www.possibleplaces.com/Visit_Home/Erin_Block/ only a couple of other families in her subdivision have even started trying to clean up the mess even two years later.
I think people still don't comprehend the scope of the disaster - most Americans have already forgotten about it.. But, for me, worse than all the property damage - the scenes seared into my brain - are the 7 days after the hurricane when people there were dying of thirst, starvation, and heat stroke because they couldn't get out and our government (who has no problem air-lifting food and medicine to enemy countries) couldn't seem to get any relief into the area (though John Travolta managed to fly in supplies, as did Oprah - maybe our government should have asked one of them for transport?!*).
*Sorry, as you can see, I'm still pretty bitter about this whole thing!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Matthew - 30 Aug 2007 17:31 GMT I know how you feel Cat. I still have nightmares.
People unless there have been there they can't understand. It is like twin towers ground zero unless you go there you can never see the full brunt of the damage.
I have seen it upfront and I still can smell that smell. If you have been there you know what I am talking about. I wish the best for your kids. I hold them in my prayers
>> Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > CatNipped Sheelagh >o< - 30 Aug 2007 19:17 GMT > I know how you feel Cat. I still have nightmares. > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I looked through every single photos that C.N posted. It is shocking!! If I didn't know better, I would have assumed that was a small place in the middle of Serbia Or anywhere in eastern Europe for that matter, where there is no cash for regenerating communities. Where there is no help to reorganise a disaster like this. The fact that it is America, shocks me to the core of my very being. It appears that Erin & her family had to do every single thing to ensure that their family had a home to grow up in, rather than a trailer for life? Would I be right in my assumption?
It is terrible to think that the government feel that their money is better spent, pedaling in other continents wars. Whilst I understand the reasons, it doesn't excuse the reality of the fact that CHARITY BEGINS @ HOME.... Purrs, Sheelagh >"o"<
CatNipped - 30 Aug 2007 19:46 GMT >> I know how you feel Cat. I still have nightmares. >> [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > home to grow up in, rather than a trailer for life? Would I be right > in my assumption? Yep! Exactly 2 people in St. Bernard Parish have received the "Road Home" funds that have been so highly touted by our government (but already 6 politicians have been indicted in Louisiana for pocketing money ear-marked for Katrina victims - that's just the ones who were caught, that's not counting the ones who were smart enough to get away with it, and believe me, they've had years and years of practice getting away with it). Bush had the nerve to visit N.O. yesterday and say "we haven't forgotten you" - oh yeah, really? When did you ever remember us??! Oh yeah, after *SEVEN DAYS IN HELL FOR N.O. SURVIVORS WHO WERE DYING OF THIRST, STARVATION, AND HEAT STROKE IN THE OVER-CROWDED SUPERDOME WITH NO PLUMBING OR ELECTRICITY - where the dead were covered with a piece of plastic and left to lie where they died, can you imagine the smell of that after 7 days in triple digit heat?!!!!*
Of the *HUNDREDS* of *MILLIONS* of dollars collected by the American Red Cross, all any Katrina survivor got was $300. After *SIX MONTHS*, FEMA gave each person $10,000 and each family $25,000 (as a gauge of how far that went, my daughter's family had to spend about $350,000 to rebuild their home and their lives* - they'll be in debt for the next 30 years, and they're one of the few *lucky* ones who were even granted a loan because my SIL still had a job - those people who lost their employment as well as everything else in their lives have been denied loans by the SBA).
Yet, as Bonbon noted, our government is spending *$7 BILLION DOLLARS A WEEK* on the war in Iraq.
*In one way, they were extremely lucky - they are both very "handy". Most people in St. Bernard are on a contractor's waiting list that is now 5 years long! Erin and Greg (with the help of their three girls) did *EVERY* *SINGLE* *THING* in that house, including putting on a new roof (did you see *those* grandmother-scaring pictures?? ;>), laying floors, wiring the electricity, laying the plumbing, running the gas lines, adding insulation, and floating sheetrock (along with more prosaic tasks like painting) with their own two hands. So they saved about $100,000 because they didn't have to pay a contractor to do the work.
What's really hard is for people (even me) to comprehend the *scope* of the obstacles they faced/face in the recovery process. Every single mordern-day convenience was gone (some places in New Orleans and St. Bernard still don't have electricty even now, two years later). In the entire parish there was no clean water, no electricity, no gas, no convenience stores (or hardware stores, lumber suppliers, etc.), there were no grocery stores, no restaurants or fast-food joints, there was no medical help (no hospitals, so you had to pray you didn't injure yourself during the clean-up). There was no place for anyone to stay while they were trying to clean out their homes - the closest open motel was over 60 miles away.
Also, most of the people there had/have no income since their place of work was also destroyed. So with no jobs, no insurance pay outs, no donations from the Red Cross, no government aid, they had to replace their entire lives from the ground up. They had only the few clothes they brought with them when they evacuated. They had to replace all of their furnishings, every dish rag and bath towel, every appliance (thousands of dollars for that alone), the central air conditioner ($5,000 for that alone), every pot and pan and plate and fork and, and, and...
It's just mind-boggling. Had it been me I would have done like 98% of the people there and just walked away from it all and try to make a new life somewhere else.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> It is terrible to think that the government feel that their money is > better spent, pedaling in other continents wars. Whilst I understand > the reasons, it doesn't excuse the reality of the fact that CHARITY > BEGINS @ HOME.... > Purrs, > Sheelagh >"o"< cycjec - 30 Aug 2007 20:35 GMT >> > This is what my daughter and her family and friends went home to when they >> > finally let people back into the parish after about 6 weeks (these were >> > taking by my daughter, they're not stock news footage)...
>> >http://www.possibleplaces.com/StBernard/Judy/
>> > I think people still don't comprehend the scope of the disaster - most >> > Americans have already forgotten about it.. But, for me, worse than all >> > the property damage - the scenes seared into my brain - are the 7 days >> > after the hurricane. I haven't forgotten, and I thank you for this update, because it is not that easy to find them.
CatNipped - 30 Aug 2007 20:49 GMT >>> > This is what my daughter and her family and friends went home to when >>> > they [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I haven't forgotten, and I thank you for this update, because it > is not that easy to find them. Thank you. I think more Americans than I gave credit to remember during the last election (where Republicans got soundly drubbed) - and I hope they remember during the next presidential election also!
Here's the official New Orleans link: http://www.nola.com/Katrina/
Hugs,
CatNipped
bonbon - 30 Aug 2007 18:14 GMT >> Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >CatNipped Oh girl, I'm hearing you. It makes me wonder that if New Orleans were mostly a Republican area instead of Democratic if things would be different as far as repairing one of our most beloved pieces of history, and putting back together the lives of those who call New Orleans home.
I saw on the news just last night that the Bush Administration is spending 7 billion (yes BILLION) every week on the war in Iraq. And for what? Nothing has changed over there. Yes, we did save them from Saddam, but he's gone now. It's time for us to pull out.
-bonbon (who DOESN'T watch Fox "Noise".....for the real news, check out Keith Olberman's Countdown, aired each evening.
sheelagh - 31 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT >> Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >CatNipped
> Yep! Exactly 2 people in St. Bernard Parish have received the "Road Home" > funds that have been so highly touted by our government (but already 6 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > died, can you imagine the smell of that after 7 days in triple digit > heat?!!!!* This really shouldn't surprise me, yet it does. I was brought up in Africa where "everything" smacks of corruption, & there is no such thing as the word "fair" . The wealthy get wealthier, & the poor simply starve, no one cares, & hardly anyone ever hears about what happens to them. It is extremely hard to imagine that this could actually happen in the United States in this modern day & age, isn't it?
I knew about the super dome, because we were told about this. When Katrina happened, we had a fairly comprehensive coverage of how bad things were for you all, but, as with most stories, it died down & we heard no more. We were all aware that Mr Bush didn't feel it necessary to visit you all until well after the incident. It was like he was trying to ignore a bad smell, & presented that way on the news too. I have to say that we all found it disgusting, but what could we do from this side of the pond, other than tell our own leaders that we thought it was well out of order?!! Also, how on earth did he get away with it?
I do know exactly what you mean about the smell, the no power & the corruption as well as no medical supplies, no clean drinking water, & fighting over some where safe to sleep, but I don't know what you can do as a community to ensure that this never happens again. In a democratic country, you should be able to make sure everyone in the world knows what happened to you all....
> Of the *HUNDREDS* of *MILLIONS* of dollars collected by the American Red > Cross, all any Katrina survivor got was $300. After *SIX MONTHS*, FEMA gave [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yet, as Bonbon noted, our government is spending *$7 BILLION DOLLARS A WEEK* > on the war in Iraq. This is the news that I find most disturbing. We were led to believe that you were all well compensated. I have never heard anything to the contrary @ all, until you posted this picture reminder of what an entire family went through.
Also, one thing that confuses me. Over here in the UK, you *have to by law,* have something called buildings insurance if you have a mortgage on your property. This covers things like natural disasters ect, so that in the eventuality that something like this occurs, you are refunded the cost of the damage. *Most People* also have contents insurance too. this covers everything from domestic floods, to earthquakes & burglary. Is this the case in the USA too? Obviously not for people who were simply tenants- because it is the responsibility of the person who owns the building to do this. You mention the poor too. It must have hit hardest there?
The pictures were shocking, honestly!! The personal allowances were punitive, & an embarrassment to the leaders. I hope that they can live with themselves- I know that I wouldn't have been able to, that is for sure.
The war thing disgusts me *personally*. We are loosing more and more soldiers life every day in a loosing battle that can *Never be won*. As you so rightly point out, we have done what we went there to achieve. Saddam is gone, now we should pull out & allow them to sort their own hierarchy out. Please don't think I don't value what our soldiers have sacrificed their lives for, because that is not the case @ all! I just think we are throwing good money after bad. We can't achieve anymore than we have done, so why are we there? The numbers are mind boggling aren't they?
> *In one way, they were extremely lucky - they are both very "handy". Most > people in St. Bernard are on a contractor's waiting list that is now 5 years [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > their own two hands. So they saved about $100,000 because they didn't have > to pay a contractor to do the work. It was still a hell of a lot of money to find though. Just to give you a comparison, my 4 bed roomed house in the UK with a small garden (15yard x 5 Yards), & the front is around the same size. We have a downstairs Bedroom annex a dinning room downstairs loo & kitchen, & our house is worth £190,000 ( Around $380!) So, yes, I can fully appreciate exactly what they have had to borrow just to get their home back. That is one hell of a commitment. Where you pointed out that the kids didn't just have their own homes to worry about is also a moral dilemma that they had to help out with. were it my own mother, I would have had to do the same thing as well. When your parents get older, you expect to have to help them out, but never in your worst nightmares, do you ever conceive that you would have that commitment loaded on top of your own. I would have to the same for my mother too. Where on earth was the government whilst this happened?
> What's really hard is for people (even me) to comprehend the *scope* of the > obstacles they faced/face in the recovery process. Every single modern-day [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > no place for anyone to stay while they were trying to clean out their > homes - the closest open motel was over 60 miles away. That is absolutely terrible. Out of interest, how long did it take for their trailers to turn up, so that they @ least had shelter? How on earth did people manage with no hospital too? In conditions life those that you describe, it is obvious that people will eventually become ill & need treatment. No clean water, & dead bodies are a recipe for illness! Have any of these conveniences come back yet? (shops, garages, water plants electricity ect?)
> Also, most of the people there had/have no income since their place of work > was also destroyed. So with no jobs, no insurance pay outs, no donations [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that alone), the central air conditioner ($5,000 for that alone), every pot > and pan and plate and fork and, and, and... Shocking :o(
> It's just mind-boggling. Had it been me I would have done like 98% of the > people there and just walked away from it all and try to make a new life > somewhere else. I can't possibly imagine what that must be like.
Having said that, We have been warned that with global warming, that the sea will reclaim most of a county called Norfolk over here within the next 30 years. We live out on something that is called the Fens over here. A fen is reclaimed land from the sea, made very similar to the Dutch dyke systems. The dykes are made to control the water & Chanel it back to the sea ( rather like the mississippi has been). Recently though, with storms getting worse, the land is literally falling into the sea. Every year a few more feet, even meters keep collapsing into the sea., & people who own property that once upon a time used to be a house near the sea, are now, houses fallen into the sea. The people that own these houses, are stuck in the same dilemma. They get nothing from the government, the insurance companies will not cover the houses because of the risk factors involved, so people who have worked their whole lives to build up a home for their retirement, or younger families who have bought hotels, or bed & breakfast places for tourists, have lost everything. this is never going to get better either- only worse. Obviously anyone buying a house, will not buy one that is likely to fall into the sea anytime soon!! (30 years).
The sea is pushing it's way in -land with every bad storm that we get in east Anglia. & the crops are failing because during the summer, ( & the recent floods of course"!!) the water in the dykes, used to be used to farming, so when there was no water in the summer, they would pump the dyke water into the crops- now they can't for fear of killing them.... It's a strange world we live in these days.
One last question which is a bit more on topic. What happened to all of the animals that got left behind in the rush for safety? Did shelters simply release them, or did they try transporting them out of area? I simply hate to think what happened. were there volunteers that offered to help rescue them,. or were things SO BAD, that it was a case of human life over animals lives?
I will never forget this. Thank you for the update & sharing this story C.N, & best wishes to you all that live around that area....
Sheelagh>"o"<
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CatNipped - 31 Aug 2007 21:10 GMT > This really shouldn't surprise me, yet it does. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the > United States in this modern day & age, isn't it? I think that had it been a middle class white community, there would have been immediate help. But since it was mostly poor blacks who were affected that this "disenfranchised" section of the population could afford to be ignored (nobody in the Superdome was likely to donate money to anybody's reelection campaign).
> I knew about the super dome, because we were told about this. When Katrina > happened, we had a fairly comprehensive coverage of how bad things were [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > our own leaders that we thought it was well out of order?!! Also, how on > earth did he get away with it? I truly don't know the answer to that one - it baffles me too. I think he should have been impeached a long time ago. The president before him spent months and months defending himself against a lynch mob just for getting a blow job, but this one gets away with bankrupting our country and letting his own citizens starve in a hellhole!
> I do know exactly what you mean about the smell, the no power & the > corruption as well as no medical supplies, no clean drinking water, & [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > until you posted this picture reminder of what an entire family went > through. I'm still asking where the *HUNDREDS* of *MILLIONS* of dollars given to the American Red Cross went to - Katrina victims saw exactly $300 of that money!
> Also, one thing that confuses me. Over here in the UK, you *have to by > law,* [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is the responsibility of the person who owns the building to do this. You > mention the poor too. It must have hit hardest there? They did have insurance. The insurance companies have still not paid on most people's claims - the claims they did pay, they paid about $0.01 on the dollar. They claimed that since the home was destroyed by flood it wasn't covered, or a dozen other excuses. Some homeowners have started when we call "class action" lawsuits against insurance companies who have failed to pay the legitimate claims made against them. However, since those same companies have made record profit margings in the same year Katrina victims lost everything, they have quite enough funds to pay expensive lawyer to drag this out in the courts for years to come.
> The pictures were shocking, honestly!! The personal allowances were > punitive, [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > own. I would have to the same for my mother too. Where on earth was the > government whilst this happened? *Every* *Single* *Member* of my, and my husband's family lost every single possession they owned. And their savings were wiped out by the expenses of having to find alternate lodgings after Katrina (and they no longer had incomes because their employers were also wiped out). Ben and I had 7 other people (and 4 dogs and 2 cats - along with our own four cats) staying with us for 6 months after Katrina. They had us living in Houston, so they were much luckier than most N.O. residents.
>> What's really hard is for people (even me) to comprehend the *scope* of >> the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > their > trailers to turn up, so that they @ least had shelter? How on earth did It took my daughter 6 months to get a FEMA trailer. Now, understand, that these trailers were "travel trailers" - not "house trailers" like a lot of people live in. We're talking *TINY* - about as big as an RV. Most people in New Orleans are still living in those things!
> people manage with no hospital too? In conditions life those that you > describe, it is obvious that people will eventually become ill & need > treatment. No clean water, & dead bodies are a recipe for illness! > Have any of these conveniences come back yet? (shops, garages, water > plants > electricity ect?) There is *one* grocery open in St. Bernard. Water and electricity are back on, but no hospitals are open - the nearest hospital is about 40 miles away. There are only two schools open in St. Bernard (one for grades one through 5 and one for grades six through 12). Nothing much else is open yet - 90% of the buildings are still sitting in ruins and haven't even been bulldozed yet.
>> Also, most of the people there had/have no income since their place of >> work [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > or were things SO BAD, that it was a case of human life over animals > lives? The evacuees were not allowed to take their pets with them, so most people had to leave them home (some refused to leave their pets so they stayed with them and ended up losing their lives). People thought they would be back in a couple of days and left enough food and water for about three days, but nobody was allowed back into the area for over 6 weeks. A small portion of the animals were rescued by volunteers who went into the city in boats, but hundreds of thousands of family pets were left to starve to death.
> I will never forget this. Thank you for the update & sharing this story > C.N, > & best wishes to you all that live around that area.... Thank you!
Hugs,
CatNipped
> Sheelagh>"o"< Cheryl - 01 Sep 2007 02:51 GMT >> One last question which is a bit more on topic. What happened >> to all of the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > boats, but hundreds of thousands of family pets were left to > starve to death. 2 years after the horror still has hundreds of animals having to be rescued and moved to shelters that can take them in. This is because while those who loved them dearly took care of them, they didn't have them spayed/neutered. The animals coming here from there are young ones.
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Sheelagh >o< - 01 Sep 2007 13:50 GMT > > This really shouldn't surprise me, yet it does. > [quoted text clipped - 295 lines] > > Message posted via CatKB.com > >http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-health/200708/1 Thank you for all of the answers that you provided C.N. I still find it shocking. Especially the bit about not being allowed to take your pets with you. That is simply dreadful!
I can't blame communities taking multiple law suites against the insurance companies either.. I think that I would be inclined to do the same thing. they are all too happy to soak up the premiums, so why shouldn't they pay out when the need arises. I have to be honest.
I am dumbfounded that the government is allowing this to continue. I am shocked that no one has brought this to the presidents attention. If this Mr Bush wanted a few brownie points, or any hope of his party being re elected for the next term, he would be doing something to ensure that the precious votes they are going to need, went his way. Still, having said that, it isn't his problem, is it? He has finished his term, almost, so I guess that makes this someone Else's problem, not his? On this side of the pond,. he will be remembered for his war mongering ways & his uncaring manner towards his own people. He is not liked very much over here, for those two very reasons. We blame our own Prime minister for becoming involved in the Iraq war. Tony Blair couldn't jump high enough when Bush said jump! I will tell you what we have noticed over here- Mr Al Gore (Is that his name?)... He seems to be making himself a BIG name over here. I wonder, is he running for re election? If his promise is as good as his word, then maybe he would be the right choice. Still, I have also heard that Hilary Clinton is running this time too. It would be interesting to hear from people who have to live by their decree, what would be best for them. As you say, if your area was one of his prime assured voting areas, he would be more inclined to do something to help those that needed him so badly in their greatest hour of need. These sorts of things come back to bite politicians up the bum though!
I think my lingering memory of Katrina, was press conferences with the Mayor(? He looked hispanic or mixed race??), begging & pleading for intervention & help from the outside world...& the day that Mr Bush came to town, he looked like someone had hit him in the face with a paddle, & nailed his tongue to the roof of his mouth!! He looked So Angry!!!!!!! God Bless you all two years later! We still think of you.... Sheelagh>"o"<
Sherry - 01 Sep 2007 06:12 GMT > > Since the US was turned upside down by Hurricane Katrina > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > CatNipped You should be bitter. I saw on the news tonight where FEMA decided some funds issued to Katrina victims were issued in error. So apparently they are requesting the recipients *pay back* the money??? I don't know the particulars of the story yet. But what I *do* know, just from the scores of people who lost their homes here during March 06 wildfires, FEMA is a joke.
Sherry
Sheelagh >o< - 01 Sep 2007 14:52 GMT > > "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Utterly ridiculous!! sheelagh>"o"<
saxrocco - 02 Sep 2007 14:31 GMT Hi C.N I have just read this thread and looked through all your pictures....I can't even comment as it is just pure devastation! The work carried out by Erin and her family to restore her house was unbelievable to see....It might have taken time and the pain of Katrina will always be in their minds, but they have got a home for their kids and dogs (how cute by the way). I had no idea you had suffered this and our thoughts are with you all and hope that things will get dealt with....It baffles me why after 2 years things have not been sorted. What a world we live in. I can only agree with everything that Sheelagh has said.
take care Clare x
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