Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / August 2007
Animals use the same language we do.
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CoreyWhite - 28 Aug 2007 00:13 GMT I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are able to be trained, but they do have a way of communicating. Very often they will let you know that they want to go out in the yard, or they need food, or their litter needs to be changed. They let you know when they want attention, and need a good rub, and often I can tell when they aren't feeling well. I have 2 cats.
I also notice a communication with other animals, that really doesn't seem very different from my cats. Dogs I know seem a little better at understanding english and taking instruction, but my cats do okay with it to. Other animals come around the yard a lot too, their are skunks, raccoons, and possums, that live in the village gutter system. I seem them poking their heads out of sewer drains at night all the time, and find them in my yard. I've had mice come in the house, and obviously insects. We have a family of deer that come to our yard almost every day, and bunnies that live around this part of town. It was only a few decades ago that this area was converted from a forest into a residential area. My cats are having a bad problem with fleas, and I've been getting them on me to. We are going to take them to the vet this week.
I noticed something about the new cat living with me, when he first showed up. He came to my window crying to come in, for a few days. He would follow me around the outside of the house, as I moved around on the inside. Then one day he just snuck his way in. When he first moved in, he just rolled over on his back and let me rub his belly. Very cute, and he still does it. He was mean at first though, and wild. He would bite me if I rubbed him the wrong way, and I had to train him to let me rub his belly without fighting back. He likes to race around, and watch the birds in the yard. Still, he is afraid to go outside for very long, and will always wait at the door to come back in, unless I sit out in the yard with him. My other cat, who is much older spends all day outside by himself.
I've been talking to my cat, and he is very much interested in communication. He makes attempts all the time to communicate. When he really needs something he will race around the house for attention, and if he is upset he isn't afraid to bite. I think cats use the same language we do. It is very easy for them to either say "yes", or "no". If you look at a cat, and say "Here kitty, kitty". He might just come racing over. If he doesn't come it doesn't always mean he doesn't want to, but it can be a good sign. If you go up to the cat and pet him, he might start purring anyway. So maybe he was just comfortable enough that he didn't want to run over and sit in your lap, but cats rarely will say no if you want to pet them. Still, they have their ways of saying "No." to you as well, they may not bite you, but they could run off someplace, or find another way to show you they don't approve.
It is really obvious that cats have ways of telling us when they approve of something, or when they don't. They can tell us when they want something from us very easily too. So they are already communicating in our language. They may not be as proficient as great apes, whom use sign language to communicate. But still I think if you spend time with your pets, there is a lot we don't understand about how much they are really able to communicate. I think the television, can get in the way because it is always talking and must be awfully confusing, but then again some nice music might help cats, and I think they could enjoy it as much as us.
I've found that when I'm trying to get my cats attention, just using a call like: "Kitty, kitty, kitty", doesn't work as well, as going up to them and talking to them in other ways. When you know you are spending quality time with an animal, and he is happier with how you are treating him than he normally would be, then you can use another word like "Good boy". Animals have a hard time understanding language when all you do is call them their name, or tell them to quit pissing on the rug. I don't believe it is a good idea to discipline cats really. But if you want to explain something to them, and give them the option of communicating with you about it, then it is a good idea to use a word like "Good boy" with them when you do it, so they associate it with quality time. I think that's a better way to communicate with animals, but maybe not to train them. I've seen some animals on TV who could communicate so well their owners were able to help them solve math problems. I'm wondering if a cat could be taught to do that. Would probably really creep people out. I don't know many people who care for cats.
CoreyWhite - 28 Aug 2007 00:49 GMT > I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, > or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > to do that. Would probably really creep people out. I don't know many > people who care for cats. I"m getting good communication going with my cat now that I'm thinking about how important it is. I got him to follow me outside without being annoying, and out on our wood deck, we did math problems together. He would flip his tale and make a knocking noise with his tail, and I would count the number of times. We didn't go past 3 times, but he would copy me after I counted the same way using my hand. He seemed interested in other things at the time anyway, like getting his fleas off of him, and scratching, but we both enjoyed the time spent outdoors.
I don't think the TV is good for him inside, he just retreats into his own little world. The same thing happens with me & my mom. The TV seems to be driving her crazy. Unless I turn the TV off she doesn't make hardly any sense. I think the TV & computer are causing minor epileptic seizures in people, that are just ruining families. Having electrical lighting seems like the least of the problems.
HAPPYsamuri - 28 Aug 2007 01:07 GMT perhaps you volunteer to have your hemispehers severed
and then you'd get the brain scans for free
Whodat - 28 Aug 2007 02:53 GMT > I"m getting good communication going with my cat now that I'm thinking > about how important it is. I got him to follow me outside without > being annoying, and out on our wood deck, we did math problems > together. So your cat can do math but you need cheat sheets?
> The same thing happens with me & my mom. The TV > seems to be driving her crazy. Oh yeah, SHE's the one who's crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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> I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, > or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > to do that. Would probably really creep people out. I don't know many > people who care for cats. joerevskelton@bellsouth.net - 28 Aug 2007 02:23 GMT > I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, > or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are > able to be trained, Cat's can't be trained. Evidently, however, Corey can. But it took cats to do it.
Lily Moore Tyler - 28 Aug 2007 15:20 GMT >> I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, >> or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Evidently, however, Corey can. >But it took cats to do it. Actually cats can be trained. It's not easy and they may not cooperate but they can be trained.
Eldon - 28 Aug 2007 16:03 GMT > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:23:03 -0500, <joerevskel...@bellsouth.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Actually cats can be trained. It's not easy and they may not > cooperate but they can be trained. This is true. You have to more or less seduce them into behaving as you wish. They're quite tricky and even perverse that way.
Or if you want to do it with negative feedback, you get a major water gun, lurk and wait until they start clawing the couch. Then you blast them real hard. But it's a lot of trouble and the couch gets wet. It's sort of like trying to get Corey to stop cross-posting. Maybe it can be done, but is it worth it?
joerevskelton@bellsouth.net - 29 Aug 2007 16:46 GMT >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:23:03 -0500, <joerevskel...@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > sort of like trying to get Corey to stop cross-posting. Maybe it can > be done, but is it worth it? I'm thinking fire hose.
Alexandra Ceelie - 29 Aug 2007 00:41 GMT >>> I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, >>> or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Actually cats can be trained. It's not easy and they may not > cooperate but they can be trained. Just don't try to herd them. (oh my poor Corgi...)
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joerevskelton@bellsouth.net - 29 Aug 2007 16:45 GMT >>> I've noticed it with my cats. They can tell you very directly, yes, >>> or no, when I ask them questions. People don't usually think cats are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Actually cats can be trained. It's not easy and they may not > cooperate but they can be trained. When it appears that a cat is being trained the cat is just messing with your mind!
aine - 29 Aug 2007 18:29 GMT On Aug 29, 8:45 am, <joerevskel...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:23:03 -0500, <joerevskel...@bellsouth.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I am Nala/Simba. I have a Pride of 9.
Cats always keep options on how to react because they do not like to have their own minds messed with. The minute they smell you are using them for your amusement, they play the ace up their sleeve.
Mutual respect and importance in the world. Only train that which has a purpose for both of you. Cats think like humans. Trust on both sides a huge factor in training them to put the lid down on the toilet when they are done drinking from it.
HAPPYsamuri - 30 Aug 2007 00:02 GMT > Cats always keep options on how to react because they do not like to > have their own minds messed with. The minute they smell you are using [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a huge factor in training them to put the lid down on the toilet when > they are done drinking from it. cool
i also feel to add the difference between cats and dogs and the fact that soem of their natural body language - expressons to NOT overlap and hence mixed signals occur
yet they can get on to some xtent - so loneg as the relationship doesn't get pressurised
aine - 30 Aug 2007 00:47 GMT > > Cats always keep options on how to react because they do not like to > > have their own minds messed with. The minute they smell you are using [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that soem of their natural body language - expressons to NOT overlap > and hence mixed signals occur
> yet they can get on to some xtent - so loneg as the relationship > doesn't get pressurised I had a cat who was my wolf/dogs best friend. They acted like neither wolf/dog or cat when together. Ate, played, slept together. Pressure, did not even exist to them. I made a burial Cairn for MacTyr when he passed over. The cat sits and sleeps there. Still best buddies over a year later.
HAPPYsamuri - 30 Aug 2007 01:27 GMT > I had a cat who was my wolf/dogs best friend. They acted like neither > wolf/dog or cat when together. Ate, played, slept together. Pressure, > did not even exist to them. I made a burial Cairn for MacTyr when he > passed over. The cat sits and sleeps there. Still best buddies over a > year later. i think the cool thing with animals is they can teach us - communion beyond words
just been "sitting" a similar cat dog pair
it takes us back to the simple realities of
food warmth company attention love - even
forget politics BS whats on tv gossip etc etc
all the verbal "filler" in the day
rather than saying "i love u" to a dog
you can either put it in action with some attention or quality time
or fire up the energy in your chest so they feel it
there's no room for phonies...
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