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Suzie-Q - 24 Aug 2007 14:53 GMT Can anyone give me any pros or cons regarding using a Flea Bomb in a bedroom? I'm concerned that I'll never be able to lay (lie?) in my bed again.
I currently have a Hartz Flea Bomb I'm planning to use. Good or bad?
Thanks,
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cindys - 24 Aug 2007 16:28 GMT > Can anyone give me any pros or cons regarding using a Flea Bomb > in a bedroom? I'm concerned that I'll never be able to lay (lie?) > in my bed again. > > I currently have a Hartz Flea Bomb I'm planning to use. Good or > bad? ------- You should not need a flea bomb if you take your cats to the vet and have them treated with Revolution or one of the other flea-preventive/flea killers. The fleas want to go on the cat (not you) and if the cat is available, they will jump on the cat, bite him, and then die. If you have a major infestation, you will continue to see new fleas for a while as the eggs hatch. Make sure you vacuum a lot as the vibration from the vacuum cleaner causes the eggs to hatch and the emergent fleas are then able to bite the cat and will be vulnerable to the Revolution/Advantage. If it would make you feel better to use a flea bomb in addition to all of this, then go ahead, but just make sure that you and the cats are out of your house for 24 hours (or whatever it says on the package). Also, be aware that fleas jump and move. So, treating only your bedroom would not be sufficient. You would need to treat the entire house. In your shoes, I would call an exterminator if I felt that I needed to kill the fleas in the bedroom. But the most important thing is treating the cats. If you don't do that, you will never get rid of the fleas no mater how many flea bombs you use or exterminators you phone.And please make sure that the product you use on your cats comes from the veterinarian and not from the store (like Hartz). The over-the-counter stuff contains insecticide and can kill your cat. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Sheelagh >o< - 24 Aug 2007 17:32 GMT > > in a bedroom? I'm concerned that I'll never be able to lay (lie?) > > in my bed again. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. I have never heard of flea bombs before. Can anyone give me more information on where you would get one from, a good brand name, & also the action it takes & whether you have to move out or not whilst they are active? You can get the local council to do the job of exterminating over here, but it is fairly expensive. Having said that, it is fully effective, so therefore worth the money if you have a problem. Be warned, you need to have a clear a floor space as possible before they arrive. the cost? around ?80 ($160) Sheelagh>"o"<
Matthew - 24 Aug 2007 18:03 GMT Sheelagh you don't have flea bombs in the local grocery store.
They bomb or saturate a surrounding area with poisons. I use the type called foggers even thought my cats are treated with advantage when they need it. Being in Florida you get fleas and they get into your house no matter who is there. The sand is just a big old breeding ground for them.
I know OP said you have to bomb the whole house. In my experience fleas go where the blood is so the main rooms you or the cats use is where the problems are at. I use the fogger which are by Harts the deep smoke penetration one. I put a towel in front of the door and set two off in a room if I ever have a problems which is about once or twice In the summer. Than I come in and vacuum and clean thoroughly. Clean all the linen ect.. The cats are not allowed in the room for at least 24 hours like they want to be near a vacuum anyways ;-). In about 10 days you need to do it again due to eggs and larva but I usually don't have too.
This probably won't work for you since you have outdoors cats but. I have found if you use a euclpatysis(???) leaves ground up into the soil around your house and property it helps to control them. I have to retreat my house again soon I had a flea problem this month.
On 24 Aug, 16:28, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> "Suzie-Q" <sme6...@embarqmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. I have never heard of flea bombs before. Can anyone give me more information on where you would get one from, a good brand name, & also the action it takes & whether you have to move out or not whilst they are active? You can get the local council to do the job of exterminating over here, but it is fairly expensive. Having said that, it is fully effective, so therefore worth the money if you have a problem. Be warned, you need to have a clear a floor space as possible before they arrive. the cost? around £80 ($160) Sheelagh>"o"<
Matthew - 24 Aug 2007 18:03 GMT Sheelagh you don't have flea bombs in the local grocery store.
They bomb or saturate a surrounding area with poisons. I use the type called foggers even thought my cats are treated with advantage when they need it. Being in Florida you get fleas and they get into your house no matter who is there. The sand is just a big old breeding ground for them.
I know OP said you have to bomb the whole house. In my experience fleas go where the blood is so the main rooms you or the cats use is where the problems are at. I use the fogger which are by Harts the deep smoke penetration one. I put a towel in front of the door and set two off in a room if I ever have a problems which is about once or twice In the summer. Than I come in and vacuum and clean thoroughly. Clean all the linen ect.. The cats are not allowed in the room for at least 24 hours like they want to be near a vacuum anyways ;-). In about 10 days you need to do it again due to eggs and larva but I usually don't have too.
This probably won't work for you since you have outdoors cats but. I have found if you use a euclpatysis(???) leaves ground up into the soil around your house and property it helps to control them. I have to retreat my house again soon I had a flea problem this month.
On 24 Aug, 16:28, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> "Suzie-Q" <sme6...@embarqmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. I have never heard of flea bombs before. Can anyone give me more information on where you would get one from, a good brand name, & also the action it takes & whether you have to move out or not whilst they are active? You can get the local council to do the job of exterminating over here, but it is fairly expensive. Having said that, it is fully effective, so therefore worth the money if you have a problem. Be warned, you need to have a clear a floor space as possible before they arrive. the cost? around £80 ($160) Sheelagh>"o"<
cindys - 24 Aug 2007 23:24 GMT On 24 Aug, 16:28, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
I have never heard of flea bombs before. Can anyone give me more information on where you would get one from, a good brand name, & also the action it takes & whether you have to move out or not whilst they are active? You can get the local council to do the job of exterminating over here, but it is fairly expensive. Having said that, it is fully effective, so therefore worth the money if you have a problem. Be warned, you need to have a clear a floor space as possible before they arrive. the cost? around £80 ($160) Sheelagh>"o"<
------------ As Matthew said, they are more commonly called "foggers." I think "flea bombs" may be an antiquated expression or perhaps it was a different item sold in the past that has been replaced with foggers. The "fogger" is an aerosal can filled with insecticide. Basically, you get everyone out of the house (humans and animals), activate the fogger by pushing the button down on the top of the can and leave the house and don't come back for 24 hours (or whatever the can says). It fogs in a straight line but not around corners. So, if your hallway opens directly into your living room in a straight path, you can set off one fogger in the hallway and catch both the hallway and the living room, but if your bedroom is around the corner, you are going to need a separate can. Overall, you generally need one for each room you want to treat. I don't remember how much they cost since I haven't bought one in years, but I'm going to guess that they cost at least $10 per can. You can buy them in three-packs or twelve-packs at a discount. They are sold at places like PetCo and other pet supply shops. You can also order them online. Here is a description of how they work:
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/fleacontrol3
The reason I said you need to treat the whole house is because of my experience in the apartment building. Our entire apartment was treated every six weeks but we couldn't get rid of the fleas because they were in the building. The landlord told us the only way to get rid of them was if all 12 apartments in the building were exterminated simultaneously. He said that all of the tenants would have to agree to that. The majority did not have cats and insisted that they didn't have a flea problem. They didn't understand that those little red marks on their ankles were flea bites (if you have fleas and no animals, the fleas will bite the people). Some of the families had children and didn't want any insecticide in their apartments when they supposedly didn't have cats or fleas. They just didn't get it. Finally, I told the landlord that he would have to tell the families that they didn't have a choice and that if he didn't exerminate the entire building, I was going to phone the Board of Health and report him. So, he finally agreed to exterminate the common hallways. It didn't work. As I said, the only way we got rid of the fleas was to buy a house and move out of the building.
But at any rate, that was in the days before Revolution and Advantage. At that time, the only way to treat the cat was to give him or her a flea bath or flea "dip" (which was done at the vet and essentially involved giving the cat a bath in insecticide). The baths and dips only killed the fleas that were on the cat at the moment. There was no residual effect. Within a day after Alex and Molly returned from having dips at the vet (and after I had fogged/bombed the apartment in their absence), they were covered with live fleas.
Now that we have products like Revolution and Advantage, there theoretically should not be any need to fog at all. If you treat the cats, you get rid of the problem because you've essentially destroyed the fleas source of food (cat blood). Any fleas who bite the cats die, so the flea life cycle is broken. You won't get rid of the fleas in a day because new ones hatch, but eventually you will (in theory anyway). If the cats go outside, any flea that jumps on them and bites them won't live long enough to reproduce (even if the cat brings the flea in the house).
That having been said, when Amanda was our pregnant foster cat, she arrived with fleas. I could not treat her with Revolution because she was pregnant, and I could not treat the kittens after they were born either. They have to be at least two months old. Amanda and her kittens stayed in our finished basement. Fortunately, we did not track any fleas into the rest of the house. The kitchen is off the basement, and it has a linoleum floor, so that was a big flea stopper since the fleas like to hide in carpeting. Once the kittens were old enough, all the cats were treated. Then the kittens were returned to the shelter to be placed in permanent homes (all were adopted
:-) We ended up keeping Amanda. Once she was out of the basement and became one of the "upstairs cats" I hired a professional exterminator for the basement. In theory, that shouldn't have been necessary (and our vet said that it wasn't) but after the experience in the apartment 10 years before, I was not taking any chances. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Matthew - 25 Aug 2007 07:11 GMT You are absolutely right Cindy when living in a apartment complex you almost have to treat the whole building
I called terminx today and said that I had a flea problem they guy will be here tomorrow no charge; since I have a guarantee, to treat the yard
> On 24 Aug, 16:28, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. AZ Nomad - 25 Aug 2007 16:51 GMT >You are absolutely right Cindy when living in a apartment complex you >almost have to treat the whole building You don't. You only have to treat the areas where there are eggs. Fleas don't travel in walls like roaches. They don't live on garbage or food remains. Take away their supply of blood (humans and pets) and they'll quickly die off.
If the pets go outdoors then you have to comb off any fleas that might have gotten on them every time they come indoors.
cindys - 26 Aug 2007 02:07 GMT >>You are absolutely right Cindy when living in a apartment complex you >>almost have to treat the whole building > > You don't. You only have to treat the areas where there are eggs. Fleas > don't > travel in walls like roaches. They generally travel through carpeting. And the entire building was carpeted. Or they sometimes catch a ride on someone's pants leg or other clothing.
> They don't live on garbage or food remains. Take > away their supply of blood (humans and pets) and they'll quickly die off. So, we would have a vacant albeit flea-free building. And where would the twelve families live while they were waiting for the fleas to die off?
> If the pets go outdoors then you have to comb off any fleas that might > have > gotten on them every time they come indoors. And what happens if you miss some of the fleas? Best regards, ---Cindy S.
cindys - 26 Aug 2007 14:17 GMT >>>You are absolutely right Cindy when living in a apartment complex you >>>almost have to treat the whole building [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So, we would have a vacant albeit flea-free building. And where would the > twelve families live while they were waiting for the fleas to die off? -------- And the eggs remain viable for months. Maybe even years. That's why it's so important to vaccum, vacuum, vacuum after flea treatment - to vacuum up eggs and/or because the vibration from the vacuum cleaner causes the eggs to hatch, and then the larva are vulnerable to the insecticide. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Sherry - 26 Aug 2007 15:05 GMT > Can anyone give me any pros or cons regarding using a Flea Bomb > in a bedroom? I'm concerned that I'll never be able to lay (lie?) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 8^)~ Sue (remove the x to email) > ~~~~ Hi Sue...how old are your cats? Are they health-compromised in any way? If so, I wouldn't use the fogger. I dont think personally that I'd use it anyway, because Hartz products just creep me out. What's the active ingredient? Do a little googling and see what turns up before you use it. Here's what I did, for a moderate flea infestation, and it actually worked: Vacuum thoroughly. Then vacuum thoroughly again. Dump the bag outdoors. If you don't have a paper bag in your vacuum, buy a Hartz flea collar and cut it up in the bag. That's the only thing they're good for. Then steam clean the area. Wash your bedding. After all that, and the carpet dries, treat the area *under* the bed and furniture with pesticide. Block it so the cats can't get to it. Keep vacuuming daily, treat the cats with Advantage. I know this is a tremendous amount of work. We had no choice about using pesticide because of Yoda. It did work.
Sherry
cindys - 26 Aug 2007 17:07 GMT >> Can anyone give me any pros or cons regarding using a Flea Bomb >> in a bedroom? I'm concerned that I'll never be able to lay (lie?) [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I know this is a tremendous amount of work. We had no choice about > using pesticide because of Yoda. It did work. -------- What you describe is not more work than using the fogger or having a professional exterminator. We had to cover things and open things and put things away and move things around in preparation for the de-fleaing. And then we had to do tons of vacuuming afterward. And with respect to steam cleaning the carpet, there are many companies that do it very cheaply, if she doesn't want to do it herself. So, my point is that I agree with you, and advising you not to overestimate the amount of work required by your method versus the fogger method (or hiring an exterminator). The advantage (no pun intended) that I can see of the exterminator (don't remember about the fogger) is the residual flea-killing. The shampoo is only going to kill what is in the carpeting at that moment. If something hatches afterward, the shampoo has no effect. Also, the fogger kills any fleas that are hiding in the furniture, which shampooing the carpet would not. But, I agree that I don't know that I would want to use the fogger if I had a medically compromised cat.
When we had the flea infestation in our apartment, I found flea larva on one of my sweaters that was in the drawer, on the bath rug in the bathroom, and on the mattress of the bed when I pulled off the sheets. (So the bare mattress on the bed needs to be vacuumed as does the furniture). One day when I was at work, I saw a live flea crawling up the front of my dress. Gross! Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Sherry - 26 Aug 2007 18:38 GMT > >> Can anyone give me any pros or cons regarding using a Flea Bomb > >> in a bedroom? I'm concerned that I'll never be able to lay (lie?) [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S.- Hide quoted text - The hardest part is moving the furniture out of the room. You pretty much need to do that for it to be effective. And it is not an instant solution. It's a decrease in the number of fleas, you just have to be diligent with vacuuming, over, and over and over, and hoping the ones that hop under the furniture get zapped by the chemicals there. You've treated the cats, and one day you just noticed there are NO more fleas. Yay. I also bought flea traps, but honestly they probably helped *some*, but not that much. Probably ideally there's some kind of safer type of life-cycle spray that could be used after you've done all the initial work, to keep the remaining fleas from reproducing that would help.
Sherry
Rhonda - 26 Aug 2007 21:17 GMT > When we had the flea infestation in our apartment, I found flea larva on one > of my sweaters that was in the drawer, on the bath rug in the bathroom, and > on the mattress of the bed when I pulled off the sheets. OMG! I think I would just burn everything I owned and move.
Rhonda :)
cindys - 26 Aug 2007 23:36 GMT >> When we had the flea infestation in our apartment, I found flea larva on >> one of my sweaters that was in the drawer, on the bath rug in the >> bathroom, and on the mattress of the bed when I pulled off the sheets. > > OMG! I think I would just burn everything I owned and move. ---------- Well, we didn't burn everything, but we did move. We had the exterminator treat all our furniture before we left, and we had him pretreat the new house before we moved in. Even at that, I still thought I saw flea dirt on Alex, so I took him to a groomer for a regular shampoo (not another flea dip). I never saw any fleas after that for the five years we lived in the house. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
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