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Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. (plastic dust pan, for example). He has been to the vet to rule out medical problems, but is there anything I can do? He had also marked on throw pillows and I have gone through so much Nature's Miracle and the like-- I am going crazy! He was picked up as a stray by a vet, but was apparently owned by someone as he was declawed, but he was a stray for a while I guess after that. I am going crazy here- any ideas??? Kim p.s. he never does it in front of me- I discover it when it is too late. > Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in > front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > was apparently owned by someone as he was declawed, but he was a stray > for a while I guess after that. First, hats off to to for adopting this senior kitty! I would first buy some Feliway diffusers and place them around your house. Feliway mimics a feline pheromone and is supposed to be helpful for marking. (Don't buy from your vet--look online or in a pet store, much cheaper). Second, I would hide all plastic-related items and throw pillows so there's no temptation for him to pee. How many litterboxes do you have? I'd try at least two, perhaps three in different locations. It's possible he might like to use separate boxes for urinating. Also, are you using an unscented litter? Some cats don't like the scented kind. Good luck. I'm sure it's frustrating for you (and him)! Let us know what happens, Rene > p.s. he never does it in front of me- I discover it when it is too > late. He's smart, he knows it's not right He just can't resist If Im reading right, you've just got him recently I think this is his way of cristening his home maybe he will finally stop OR you will get used to the smell and not realize he is still doing it. Im always scared my house or clothes smells catty and I don't know it. Lot's of people are allergic to cats, sometimes one will sleep on my coat, then when someone gets in the car with me, their eyes swell up red and watery. lol. but I never tell them I got cat all over my coat. the joy of catting > Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in > front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > p.s. he never does it in front of me- I discover it when it is too > late. You need to try & buy some Urine off or any other similar removal fluid. It works by breaking down the scent of any prior markings in any place that keeps attracting him back to the same spot. Here is a link to the product- It is one of many available, & works on the principal that if the cat can't smell it, it won't refresh the odour again, which is what he appears to be doing. http://www.urine-off.com/applications2.aspx http://www.odordestroyer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Cats Unfortunately, late neuters have already reached sexual maturity, which is probably why your cat is marking. Marking is a scent that the tom cat leaves so that every cat who passes it, will know that this is your cats territory. The advice about throwing away all of the plastic that he marks is good advice, however if he is doing it on the your 3 piece suite, that is not so easy to throw out & buy another one instead. This is where this product comes into play. It breaks down the scent entirely, so that he doesn't feel the need to re mark it again. I would imagine that he is doing it because he can smell a prior cat where he is marking. Did you have a cat prior to this one @ all? My guess is that he is remarking. If this is the case, you are going to have to buy a repellent & spray it in the very places where he chooses to spray. If you combine this with a feliway diffuser, hopefully it should stop him marking, or even feeling the need to mark... Good Luck and plenty of patience. ( my late neutered toms did the same thing, but this strategy worked for us. it is worth a go @ least.) Sheelagh > > Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in > > front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > I am going crazy here- any ideas??? Thank you to everyone who has replied! Yes, I had a cat before him, but she died (17) a few months into his stewardship here- he was actually upset about it and sat near her when it was obvious she was in distress. They had a love-hate relationship... i am going to try the Feliway (found a lot on ebay) and will get the "Urine Off" that I had just seen at Bed Bath and Beyond store locally. -- what you have said makes sense, he is remarking what I am trying to undo. I made things "cat free zones"- he even ailed the plastic cover on a flat of water bottle that we brought home from the grocery store. That Feliway sounds like aromatherapy for cats!! He sits at the back screen door a lot and "patrols"- there is one cat that he HATES that just started coming around. We get other cats but he does not seem to care, even raccoons do not bug him (well some are bigger than him and he is 20 lbs.!). I'll keep you all posted and thanks again! Kim > > > Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in > > > front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I'll keep you all posted and thanks again! > Kim am I shining? is my forehead shining? > > > Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in > > > front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I'll keep you all posted and thanks again! > Kim Thank you. I would appreciate that very much indeed. Best of luck;o) Sheelagh > > Help! I have a 12yo neutered male, adopted in August 2006, declawed in > > front (not by me)-- and he loves marking on plastic, or peeing in it. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > for us. it is worth a go @ least.) > Sheelagh poor white trash, back stabbin' - cat licking - case > poor white trash, back stabbin' - cat licking - case Will you please leave me alone? Not only are you being racist, derogatory, deformation of character & inflammatory, You are really pissing me off. Don't say that I didn't warn you. Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. Simple really. Leave me alone. > > poor white trash, back stabbin' - cat licking - case > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > warn you. Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. > Simple really. Leave me alone. don't talk to me no more. you're a trouble maker and a two face no dick getting trouble maker sheelagh, go f.ck yourself >> ( my late neutered toms did the same thing, but this strategy worked >> for us. it is worth a go @ least.) >> Sheelagh > > poor white trash, back stabbin' - cat licking - case Barry, have you been sending obscene emails to Sheelagh??? Charlie > >> ( my late neutered toms did the same thing, but this strategy worked > >> for us. it is worth a go @ least.) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charlie I told her I think she's a fake and a fraud I said, "you're a fake! and a fraud" something clear like that she tried to stick her nose in opb, when she first got here. she tried to bite me back then, but I pretended she was nice. she played along. she's bored and shiftless, sitting there trying to get food stamps from the govt. >> >> ( my late neutered toms did the same thing, but this strategy worked >> >> for us. it is worth a go @ least.) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > she's bored and shiftless, sitting there trying to get food stamps from > the govt. Did you send any obscene emails? Charlie > Did you send any obscene emails? Noooo >> Did you send any obscene emails? > > Noooo Someone did, using your email address. Charlie > Someone did, using your email address. > > Charlie Her final reply to any emails, were probably words of acceptance. so simple really. >>> Did you send any obscene emails? >> >> Noooo > > Someone did, using your email address. Let's have the headers.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Did you send any obscene emails? > > Noooo Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from posting them in the group like you did. Now would you like rephrase your last answer? > Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from posting > them in the group like you did. > Now would you like rephrase your last answer? Don't waste your time. Did you get a copy of her reply to me? I told you, I gave her something to post on usenet. it was shitty what she did betraying me and now you fall for it... there's another side to every story told. >> Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from >> posting [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Don't waste your time. > Did you get a copy of her reply to me? Your own words Barry her reply to me that meant you sent an email. Charlie asked did you send obscene emails to her. The answer should have been yes you did and should have been follwed by you should have seen the reply she did > I told you, I gave her something to post on usenet. > it was shitty what she did betraying me > > and now you fall for it... Did I say I believed her that is not what I said Here it is again Please re read it! "Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from posting them in the group like you did. Now would you like rephrase your last answer?" is my exact quote > there's another side to every story told. I know that. I did not pass judgment on you yet have I? This is my first response to any of it in the group. Is it not? > >> Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from > >> posting [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I know that. I did not pass judgment on you yet have I? This is my first > response to any of it in the group. Is it not? well, the correct response would have been, it's none of Charlie's busines or yours either.. then you would have replied about an email she sent you then you had grounds, but nobody disclosed that part there is ample reason on my part to believe that you would never get an email from her it's called disclosure you could have been more up front with me >> >> Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from >> >> posting [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > well, the correct response would have been, it's none of Charlie's > busines or yours either.. That would have been the best bet but you made it every ones business on the internet by posting parts of emails in earlier post > then you would have replied about an email she sent you > > then you had grounds, but nobody disclosed that part > there is ample reason on my part to believe that you would never get > an email from her We are friends and talk about a lot of things jsut like me and you do just me and cybercat does. You talk to me about things We all do this for we are friends > it's called disclosure > > you could have been more up front with me Up front with what Barry. She is my friend also. I have not made a judgment yet have I but you got everyone else already make a judgment call on you for your other post. > That would have been the best bet but you made it every ones business on the > internet by posting parts of emails in earlier post no no, that two quotes, was her being bored, nothing bad, or then out of context. taking something out of context is contriving matt. > I have not made a judgment yet have I but you got everyone else already > make a judgment call on you for your other post. no you don't, you seem to be the only one who doesn't have the facts. anybody that saw me give the gander what she gave the goose, knows it was lame bullshit bored stuff. so, i gave her something to do. something to tell. something she can REALLY betray me with. I knew you'd get a copy. I know how she is. oh! she's got a problem with it now? is that it? I'm a gentleman Matt. Leave it at that, when I said somebody keep stirring the proverbial crap, I was being sarcastic. > I'm a gentleman Matt. Leave it at that, when I said somebody keep > stirring the proverbial crap, I was being sarcastic. Gentleman? Not if you wrote the email she forwarded to me. It is obscene and thoroughly creepy. Charlie > Gentleman? Not if you wrote the email she forwarded to me. It is > obscene and thoroughly creepy. oh bullshit Charlie, you're ignoring her reply to me.. so sorry! but! read it again, then go back to your temporary internet files look at the thumbs and pics in there.. then come back and tell me how obscene it is lmao! gimmie a break, and you're the one who used the term intellectual honesty. some brought me some silver, some brought a little gold, what have you brought me Charlie to keep me from the gallows pole? nothing but dishonesty >> Gentleman? Not if you wrote the email she forwarded to me. It is >> obscene and thoroughly creepy. > > oh bullshit Charlie, you're ignoring her reply to me.. so sorry! If I'm ignoring anything, it is because I don't know about it. Are you referring to comments she posted in the group, or an email? > but! read it again, then go back to your temporary internet files look > at the thumbs and pics in there.. then come back and tell me how obscene [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > nothing but dishonesty I hardly think so. I asked a straightforward question... did you send obscene email to Sheelagh? First you evaded the question, then you answered no, and now you are pleading extenuating circumstances. Who is being dishonest? Charlie > >> Gentleman? Not if you wrote the email she forwarded to me. It is > >> obscene and thoroughly creepy. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Charlie what did you bring me dear friend? you're not confused if my your'e confused my stuff ain't black >> That would have been the best bet but you made it every ones business on >> the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > no you don't, you seem to be the only one who doesn't have the facts. That maybe right and I don't want to know everything. I have not passed any judgement yet and not going to. > anybody that saw me give the gander what she gave the goose, knows it > was lame bullshit bored stuff. so, i gave her something to do. > something to tell. something she can REALLY betray me with. I knew > you'd get a copy. Persnally she could have posted it her in the group and it would have gone real bad you know that. > I know how she is. > > oh! she's got a problem with it now? is that it? She has already let you know what her feelings are I have kept her conversation with me to me just like what you have talked to me about have never been anything else but between us. And it will stay that way > I'm a gentleman Matt. Leave it at that, when I said somebody keep > stirring the proverbial crap, I was being sarcastic. Than what fun would it be than :^) Barry let it go man it is making you sink to a very low level. You are getting down to Nick's level buddy and it is not a pretty sight. > Barry let it go man it is making you sink to a very low level. You are > getting down to Nick's level buddy and it is not a pretty sight. ...and NOW, finally, you see why 'Nick' "got down to that level". Ultimately, he's a manipulative, lying piece of white trash garbage who thinks he's the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde. Barry's favorite ploy is to spout off with his racist, obscene nonsense in other NGs, then run off and play oppressed "victim" when someone gives him a dose of his own medicine. Now you're seeing it firsthand. And, of course, there's always the protectors of this 'gentle, misunderstood genius' (before he tries to sponge off of them) -- and then he attacks them and smears them with his patented verbal smegma. Don't say you weren't warned -- quite some time ago. But noooo..... <bellyflute@yahoo.com> Who are you? This is your first post so how did you warn me? > <bellyfl...@yahoo.com> > > Who are you? Name not important. Message important. >This is your first post so how did you warn me? Hardly my first post -- and "you" refers to the NG in general (or at least the ones who defended him). Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the Twilight Zone?? ;> Hugs, CatNipped > Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the > Twilight Zone?? ;> > > Hugs, > > CatNipped More like a bad episode of MTV sweet sixteen with a real spoiled brat in it > Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the > Twilight Zone?? ;> > > Hugs, > > CatNipped I am partly to blame for starting this latest round. Sheelagh forwarded a lurid email from Barry, and I was curious what Barry had to say for himself. Now I'm debating whether I should take it upon myself to post the forwarded email, since Sheelagh doesn't seem to want to do so. What do you think? Charlie >> Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the >> Twilight Zone?? ;> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Charlie Oh, fer shure, post it. It will serve as an example of ignoring my sainted old mother's advice, "Always write as if your mother, your husband, your boss and your priest are reading your words - then you will never regret what you've written!" ;> Plus, it will advance the plot of this soap opera!!! Hugs, CatNipped On Jul 11, 9:15 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the > > Twilight Zone?? ;> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Charlie yes you are say, why don't you let sheelagh decide in this. that seems fair enough let her decide > On Jul 11, 9:15 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > let her decide Already sent her an email asking her to come to the group > Already sent her an email asking her to come to the group the point is, stop stirring crap you've got a personal agenda and you don't care how you fulfill it Matts goal is to "teach me a lesson about what I say to people" yet, Matt does not offer any quotes, showing where I actually did that. Can't you see 2 feet in front of you? stop and think a min > > Already sent her an email asking her to come to the group > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Can't you see 2 feet in front of you? stop and think a min Game over, fucknut. No one believes a word you say. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA >> Already sent her an email asking her to come to the group > > the point is, stop stirring crap Barry you are the one that is keeping it going. Don't you realize this > you've got a personal agenda and you don't care how you fulfill it If this was true You know me I could tear up the internet and get really nasty. My ex b@tch taught me how and I could really do a number. But I haven't yet and don't plan on it. It is more interesting on how you are playing it out. I am just waiting to see how long before you realize its 3 moves to checkmate and the other side is moving the queen. > Matts goal is to "teach me a lesson about what I say to people" > yet, Matt does not offer any quotes, showing where I actually did > that. > > Can't you see 2 feet in front of you? stop and think a min No agenda just stepping up and what I think is the right thing to do. I know you got potential. I have stepped up many of times and what needed to be said. I know you are actually a nice guy but you got yourself in a spot and digging yourself deeper. Either way you go you are the one going to have to look at yourself in the mirror when you get out of bed and say how the f@ck did this happen and why. The answer will be staring right back at you I got my own sins to bear like we all have > Either way you go you are the one going to have to look at yourself in the > mirror when you get out of bed and say how the f@ck did this happen and > why. No, Matthew. He will not look in the mirror he will bury his head in the sand. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the >> Twilight Zone?? ;> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the forwarded email, since Sheelagh doesn't seem to want to do so. What > do you think? Post it. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Post it. post what? there is nothing to post cyber, sorry to disappoint you, we was bored, we started some drama. Now this is boring. ok, back to your lobster tails >> Post it. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ok, back to your lobster tails I know you. You are scared to death. Shame on you. Learn to control yourself and your rage. You raged on someone as gentle and kind as Sheelagh? You have no shame at all. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I know you. You are scared to death. of what? it's nobodies business what I do in private. > Shame on you. shame on you! > You raged on someone as gentle and kind as Sheelagh? I didn't rage on her, find me some rage, you keep accusing me! find me some rage! I get the feeling you'd rather see sheelagh and me at odds. protect her? why not encourage her to keep private emails private? if you care about her? or.. is she still in your caring kill file give it a rest, I know what you're about Im not replying to you no more, so don't bother it's a waste of my time soooo shiftless and boring you are same old blood thirsty crap why not go enjoy your life! stop looking for something to beat up on you will never beat up on me again >> You raged on someone as gentle and kind as Sheelagh? > > I didn't rage on her, find me some rage, you keep accusing me! > find me some rage! OH, so it is obscene but not angry? Interesting. > I get the feeling you'd rather see sheelagh and me at odds. Not at all. It just sounds to me like you sent mail a lot like the mail you used to send me to Sheelagh. I guess we are interchangeable. The only difference is, she exposed you. > protect her? why not encourage her to keep private emails private? > if you care about her? or.. is she still in your caring kill file [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > you will never beat up on me again lol Nobody believes you any more but you, a.shole. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > lol > > Nobody believes you any more but you, a.shole. I keep telling you, that's all that matters. I don't need group approval to love myself, and remove myself from your abuses. The good you did went out with the final abuses. Sorry, you should, take a look in the mirror... And you're the one who pretended to stand gazing at a scripture Matt posted, that Love takes no delight in someone elses sins.. yet here you are with blood dripping from your eye teeth. > > lol > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't need group approval to love myself, and remove myself from > your abuses. Then why don't you just f.ck off and disappear, then? Because you NEED the attention. Face it. > > > lol > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Because you NEED the attention. Face it. you posted more last night than you have in all the history Ive ever dug up on you. and you've been posting since 1986 at least... but last night, you revealed more about you and why you do the things you do.. something like.. "now you see..." I intend to go back and see why you do the things you do, at some point I might. Thanks for sharing from your heart. Ill be careful with that info. > you posted more last night than you have in all the history Ive ever > dug up on you. > and you've been posting since 1986 at least... Try 2004. And I posted twice last night. Anyway, this isn't about me. This is about you having NO GAME LEFT. You done, nigga. Your mindfuck days are over here. There's thousands of other NGs, and at least as many gullible marks you can try to manipulate. Go find fresh meat to troll. The stream done dried up for you here. > Your mindfuck days are over here. I think "mindfuck" is an accurate characterization. But I think he convinces himself that he does not do this. The saddest thing is the way he lies to himself. I would never have believed it if I had not seen it myself over and over and over again. The truth of the matter is, he does not have to manipulate and cheat and lie. If he did not do these things, he would be quite a lovable person. But he thinks he has to, because on a deep level he feels inadequate and unworthy of love and loving attention, real friendship, and so forth. I'm not angry any more, just very sad. What I want to know is why you have fixated so on him. It's more than a little creepy. I mean, what is it to you if he is a phony manipulative using abusive liar? Really, I want to know. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Your mindfuck days are over here. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > It's more than a little creepy. Call it a hobby. A way to kill time while other programs are running. And a serving of just deserts for him. > I mean, what is it to you if he is a phony manipulative using abusive > liar? > > Really, I want to know. Because he bashes around all over Usenet thinking he can f.ck with whoever he feels like, and he royally pissed me off in the process. He was asked nicely and repeatedly to stop, but as you well know, this is HIS world and we all just live in it. It also didn't help having a few errant-minded 'friends' (wink wink) egging him on. After that, he got personal, sending me filth thru e-mail and attempting twice to "out" my real name and address. Had he actually succeeded (you know full well that Nick Andrews is no more my name than Benedict Corpuz was), rest assured he would be in serious legal trouble. To put a point on it, I can either ignore the loudmouth drunk in the corner of my favorite bar, or I can deal with him. I chose to deal with him -- and hopefully tip off others to his games. As long as he stays out of my face, he can do whatever he wants. That's the problem. > As long as he stays out of my face, he can do whatever he wants. > That's the problem. I never sent you an email don't insult us. it only takes on quick google search to see where you have replied 99 percent of your posts dont' make out that I have followed you around... thus, you're a liar plain and simple why are you defaming me? posting the lewdest things known to man behind each of my posts is not exactly me being in your face you should just add me to block senders list I post a lot of fun things all around, I get lots of replies.. iv'e been a tad cranky lately, but.. the stats speak for themselves but don't worry, I intend to go back and see why you say you act the way you do. You should tone down your hate for me, someone might get the wrong idea about any of your previous comments, about.. "we'll be seeing you" > > As long as he stays out of my face, he can do whatever he wants. > > That's the problem. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > You should tone down your hate for me, someone might get the wrong > idea about any of your previous comments, about.. "we'll be seeing you" This sounds exactly like your defense of your actions in this newsgroup -- the same manipulation of the truth that you're using to try to weasel out of your actions here. Truly delusional. A professional victim, you are. I'll bet you intentionally slip in the grocery store every month or so. > This sounds exactly like your defense of your actions in this > newsgroup -- the same manipulation of the truth that you're using to > try to weasel out of your actions here. > > Truly delusional. A professional victim, you are. I'll bet you > intentionally slip in the grocery store every month or so. estuspirkle@yahoo.com for starters... this was most recent abandoned looks like you direct re to me at least 700 thats just one email... all I can say is, YOU GOT ONE HELLUVA PASSWORD MANAGER the rest of your posts if they weren't to me, they were you treating newbies really bad. >> This sounds exactly like your defense of your actions in this >> newsgroup -- the same manipulation of the truth that you're using to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the rest of your posts if they weren't to me, they were you treating > newbies really bad. Well, I can see why you were scared to death. What we have here is a realllly reallllly baaaaaaad judgment call, Barry. lol SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> I mean, what is it to you if he is a phony manipulative using abusive >> liar? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was asked nicely and repeatedly to stop, but as you well know, this is > HIS world and we all just live in it. Bah. I have looked at your M.O. Show me a post where you asked anyone nicely to do anything. You are reveling in this because you like to kick people when they are already down. Charlie > Bah. I have looked at your M.O. Show me a post where you asked anyone > nicely to do anything. You are reveling in this because you like to kick > people when they are already down. I think this is true. Charlie, I hope you don't post those emails. God knows he deserves it, but you don't really want to do that, do you? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Bah. I have looked at your M.O. Show me a post where you asked anyone >> nicely to do anything. You are reveling in this because you like to kick [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > God knows he deserves it, but you don't really want to do that, do you? No please don't it is Sheelaghs call. I think Charles are smart enough man not to >> > lol >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Because you NEED the attention. Face it. And you are any different? >> lol >> >> Nobody believes you any more but you, a.shole. > > I keep telling you, that's all that matters. That is more than apparent. You tell yourself anything you need to believe. It's pathetic. >> lol >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > posted, that Love takes no delight in someone elses sins.. yet here > you are with blood dripping from your eye teeth. Right. Barry the victim. I thought you were not talking to me? Try harder. My head is still back at June 1. I listen to the hateful voice message you left me every day, just to remind myself of how you really feel about me. The message you left after I hung up on you because I didn't want to hear your filthy rage. So now you're sending obscene emails to Sheelagh, that are not angry, just obscene? Well, you go, pussy boy. Only I am thinking they did not go over so well, since she sent them on to Charlie and Matthew. lol SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> You raged on someone as gentle and kind as Sheelagh? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > protect her? why not encourage her to keep private emails private? > if you care about her? or.. is she still in your caring kill file Barry. lol YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then you posted her whole email, right? Where she mentioned that you had asked she and Booke for money. You dragged this into the public realm just as you loved to do with me. You are once again dangling a dick that nobody wants. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then > you posted her whole email, right? thaaat's right, minimize the offense, yet it was slanderous. stick to your guns cyber, remember this is not about right or wrong it's about you wanting to hurt me. Let the record show, she wants to hurt me. > Where she mentioned that you had asked she and Booke for money. > > You dragged this into the public realm just as you loved to do with me. no silly, she posted my email, then I posted a bs email.. it didn't say anything, neither was it a campaign to smear her. she said she was wrong. leave it at that. and me too! we both said we was wrong, two wrongs don't make a right. ooks like you might have to talk about cats after all > You are once again dangling a dick that nobody wants. you don't know if my big achy cock is dangling or bulging standing straight up 'blow ready" don't you talk ugly to me! >> YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then >> you posted her whole email, right? > > thaaat's right, minimize the offense, yet it was slanderous. > stick to your guns cyber, remember this is not about right or wrong > it's about you wanting to hurt me. You flaming f.cking hypocrite. hahaha! Okay, back in my killfile. I have better things to do than watch the trainwreck that you are, you lying, abusive a.shole. YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO PULL OF BEING A CON MAN, Barry! You got nothing from me but what I wanted to give, though you did try hard. ahahahaha! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > >> YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then > >> you posted her whole email, right? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You got nothing from me but what I wanted to give, though you did try > hard. you don't have anything > > "judas you" <brrypr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - BYE! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAA >>> YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then >>> you posted her whole email, right? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ahahahaha! But cyber it just has gotten to the good part. It is like one of those old time story line movies. The ones that you see the hero die at the end than come back next week only to see the hero somehow lived when you know he died. It is like one of those terrible horror movies you just have to look no matter how bad it has gotten. I can make us a couple of Shirley temples; mine of course being no alcohol in it. I cook up some gourmet snacks and all of us can sit back and enjoy the show. We just need a title for the film so we can sell the rights to it. >>>> YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then >>>> you posted her whole email, right? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > the show. We just need a title for the film so we can sell the rights to > it. Well, if you think I should hang out, then I will. But I am having a glass of wine. I need something to do until "Rescue Me" comes on FX. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Well, if you think I should hang out, then I will. But I am > having a glass of > wine. I need something to do until "Rescue Me" comes on FX. A new show that's pretty entertaining is called "Singing Bee" on NBC. Just started. SignatureCheryl >> YOU did this. Sheelagh merely quoted one of your emails, then >> you posted her whole email, right? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > you don't know if my big achy cock is dangling or bulging standing > straight up 'blow ready" don't you talk ugly to me! Now this is getting interesting. Cyber cat, Charlie Hell even Nick You want me to cook up some gourmet popcorn. This is better than the move I saw last night >> you don't know if my big achy cock is dangling or bulging standing >> straight up 'blow ready" don't you talk ugly to me! > > Now this is getting interesting. Cyber cat, Charlie Hell even Nick You > want me to cook up some gourmet popcorn. I like popcorn! >This is better than the move I saw last night What did you see? I saw "Evening" at the movies, it was kind of sappy. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> you don't know if my big achy cock is dangling or bulging standing >>> straight up 'blow ready" don't you talk ugly to me! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What did you see? I saw "Evening" at the movies, it was kind of sappy. It was some drama about a street hustler trying to hustle people it was on cable. >>> Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the >>> Twilight Zone?? ;> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Post it. Lets ask sheelagh if you can see it. It is obscene enough not to offend anyone else here about >>>> Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the >>>> Twilight Zone?? ;> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Lets ask sheelagh if you can see it. It is obscene enough not to offend > anyone else here about My goodness. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> Does anyone else feel like they've walked into a soap opera in the >>>> Twilight Zone?? ;> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Lets ask sheelagh if you can see it. It is obscene enough not to offend > anyone else here about That came out wrong it is not rated r but in the NC-17 close to X category > <bellyflute@yahoo.com> > > Who are you? This is your first post so how did you warn me? LOL! You really can't tell from the posting style and content who this is??! Hugs, CatNipped >> <bellyflute@yahoo.com> >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CatNipped I already knew when I googled it. Was seeing if he would step up to the plate ;-) On Jul 11, 5:22 am, bellyfl...@yahoo.com finally comes clean: > ...and NOW, finally, you see why 'Nick' "got down to that level". > Ultimately, he's a manipulative, lying piece of white trash garbage > who thinks he's the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde. you couldn't have said it better yourself, you got down to the level you are by being and I quote, "lying, manipulative, lying piece - o - white trash garbage. who THINKS HE'S THE REINCARNATION OF OSCAR WILDE WHOEVER THE HECK THAT IS!" nice Nick. just blurt it all out at one time. what a loser. > On Jul 11, 5:22 am, bellyfl...@yahoo.com finally comes clean: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > nice Nick. just blurt it all out at one time. what a loser. That line was in reference to YOU, numbnuts. Your reading comprehension will improve if you get the THC out of your brain for a while. Oscar Wilde: http://www.google.com/ > Barry I have a copy of the email you sent her. She has kept from posting > them in the group like you did. > Now would you like rephrase your last answer? I be damn if she's kept from posting private email, that's what started this whole thing. only her words where defamatory, what I posted from her was innoculate bs cause, im just not trashy like that. go find something to read or do Matt, you disapoint me getting in the middle of her show. Im not sending anyone a copy of her reply to me. She learned her lesson. She didn't like the silly stuff I copied her, no more than I liked the defamatory, OUT OF CONTEXT stuff she quoted me. keep stirring the sh.t somebody >>> Did you send any obscene emails? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > them in the group like you did. > Now would you like rephrase your last answer? He is sick, Matthew. He needs to abuse someone. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Did you send any obscene emails? > > Noooo That is untrue. you disappoint me..!! I'm not going to jump into this with both feet first. I am going to think about it for a while. I had no idea that this thread was going on until late last night. & I intend to think hard before replying in anger. Both Charlie & Matthew are mutual friends and deserve better than to be lied to. They also deserve better than to be asked to choose between us too. Friends don't do that;friendship is unconditional. Please remain aware that I can provide all of the information that you deny, & say that they haven't seen or read yet. I'd like to think that this is a big mistake and you never meant it to go this far? we all make mistakes, & I would like to think this is one of yours? I know that I have certainly made many of them, including quoting you @ all. This must stop however. Now! You have humiliated & hurt me as well. Please end this. > They also deserve better than to be asked to choose between us too. > Friends don't do that;friendship is unconditional. is that what you see this as? choosing between friends? I call that being covertly divisive; it means you can't have but one friend at the time. > Please remain aware that I can provide all of the information that you > deny, & say that they haven't seen or read yet. same here, I can provide your reply keep pushing me I said let the crap dry up! stop talking about it >> They also deserve better than to be asked to choose between us too. >> Friends don't do that;friendship is unconditional. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I said let the crap dry up! > stop talking about it Why should she? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> They also deserve better than to be asked to choose between us too. >>> Friends don't do that;friendship is unconditional. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Why should she? Barry you are the one that keeps going on about here in the group. She already told you to leave her alone I believe this was the most important part of the quote from her in another post. "Will you please leave me alone? Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. Simple really. Leave me alone." > Barry you are the one that keeps going on about here in the group. She > already told you to leave her alone I believe this was the most [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. > Simple really. Leave me alone." But he needs someone to manipulate and hurt. If Barry can make you feel ANYTHING, even really bad, he thinks this boosts his importance and makes him more of a man. Very shaky self esteem. Makes him damned easy to manipulate, as a matter of fact. lol SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Barry you are the one that keeps going on about here in the group. She >> already told you to leave her alone I believe this was the most [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > lol ROFLMAO so true >>> Barry you are the one that keeps going on about here in the group. She >>> already told you to leave her alone I believe this was the most [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> lol > ROFLMAO so true It is so not good to try to bullshit a bullshitter. Once I even smell the effort, all bets are off. I leave 'em in a trail of subterfuge so thick they never find their way out. AND get exactly what I want. While making everything look like it was their idea so that they don't realize they never got what they were trying to work out of me. It's only fair. *smoochie* SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. > Simple really. Leave me alone." right and ask a question in the same post and no, you can't ask someone to leave you alone yet keep defaming them in other posts. it don't work that way. now YOU leave me alone please, your gullibleness is more than I can bare. don't talk about me, or to me no more, it's aggravating me. Thanks >> Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. >> Simple really. Leave me alone." > > right and ask a question in the same post > and no, you can't ask someone to leave you alone yet keep defaming > them in other posts. it don't work that way. Barry! Barry!! I think you need to rephrases that statement again > now YOU leave me alone please, your gullibleness is more than I can > bare. Two quotes you should remember "And you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free" "Give, and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt to you in return." > don't talk about me, or to me no more, it's aggravating me. > Thanks But Barry this is the WWW it doesn't happen that way. How many people have asked you to do this in all the other groups and all you did was step up it up on them. Why are all of us hitting a little to close to home? Not easy being on the receiving side is it. It gives you something to think about before doing it again. Truth no matters who says it can be a little hard to handle sometimes! Don't worry it takes time. I know how it is just step back, take a deep breath. It is a lot to take in at once sit back down if you need to, have a smoke. Reality of what we all are saying will hopefully come back to you. I am in the quoting mood today so here is another favorite "Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous, love is never boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does not take offense, and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins but delights in the truth; it is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes. Love does not come to an end." > "Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous, love is never > boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does not take > offense, and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's > sins but delights in the truth; it is always ready to excuse, to trust, to > hope, and to endure whatever comes. Love does not come to an end." It's really true. Anything else is not love at all. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > "Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous, love is never > > boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does not take [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Barry, for several days I have followed this thread in the few moments that I had to spare. I looked & I wondered where my friend went? I quoted a few words that you once said to me, because it was appropriate @ the time. I have apologised for that. I was wrong to do that, & I told you that then. I guess I will never know why, but, you choose to post 4 separate threads about me. you made songs & you danced to them. Sorry was not enough for you? Think about this...How many times have you said sorry to me? I can tell you if you don't know or, you need to know? Every single time I have accepted it for the reasons quoted. Love, is unconditional. You were my friend, & I seem to remember making time for you too when you needed a friend as well. Correct me if I am wrong....? What you wrote to me was not what one would expect from a friend. In fact these words would be in your email box had you not told me to stay well away from it. You say I asked for it.. & you justified it by telling everyone who would listen to you, that I was wrong in the first place. *I am aware of that, which is why I apologised to you*. I don't understand what is so hard about saying those 3 simple words? Yes, I was terribly angry & disappointed in you. Yes, I was so angry that I wanted you to feel the pain that I felt, &, Yes, I did share your words with 3 close friends that I knew that I could rely on, not to repeat them ever, If I asked them not to. I was *shocked*! I am also a human. I make mistakes, & If I'm wrong, then I say,"yes, I did say that, & I am sorry / or not sorry" as the case may be. You want answers. No, I didn't know that Charlie was going to ask you, but in a way I am glad that the truth came to light. I accept I am as much to blame for this, the same as you are..... Maybe the difference between us is that I cared about how you felt, & I took the time to sit down & cool down. When it first happened, I was outraged with you. I had to make the time to sit down & think through the consequences through of what would happen if your words to me were posted on here. I also asked myself..."How would I feel if this happened to me"? To put my petty feeling first, would have been wicked of me, for a simple cheap revenge. I felt for you, because I knew that you were between the ocean & the deep blue sea. I spoke to one of your closest friends & I took their advice, which was to show mercy to my friend, & put our friendship before our petty stupid words. > > "Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous, love is never > > boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does not take > > offense, and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's > > sins but delights in the truth; it is always ready to excuse, to trust, to > > hope, and to endure whatever comes. Love does not come to an end." I am no longer angry, the pain has gone, & I am not resentful, & I took no pleasure in seeing your pain. I do seek to excuse, but & to trust that in time, friendship might endure. I am not too proud to say I was wrong & I am not conceited @ all. If I have been rude, then I am wrong, & if I have been selfish, I hope that I am no longer so, & I have already forgiven you too I am not naive enough to presume that this will just go away, & I am truthful enough to say that I am wary. The humiliation cost me dearly, & trust comes at a price. Are you willing to admit the same? Apologise to all of your friends, & forgiveness will surely follow. All any of us ever wanted was to ask you to admit that you played a part in this too, & that you made a mistake, all be it a very public one. Had you said sorry like I did in the first place, none of this would ever have happened. It takes a man to admit he is wrong. If my apology is still not enough, then I can't change that.. & wouldn't want to. I wish you well. Sheelagh >> Leave me be, & you will never have to speak to me again. >> Simple really. Leave me alone." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > don't talk about me, or to me no more, it's aggravating me. > Thanks I just wanted to say that I am very pleased that you finally learned how to spell "aggravating." Sionara, sad little man. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > Did you send any obscene emails? > > > > Noooo > > That is untrue. you disappoint me..!! Tell the whole truth stop making me look bad. Im not a nym on here, Im a real person, with address and known character I should haul you into court for defamation why? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH why not tell what your last reply to me in this was sheelagh? It do take two don't it! wow, you got Charlie and Matt eating out of the palm of your hand. don't forget who made this public, it won't me! charlie did. then matt. short story is.. you did.. did you know they were going public? If you was to hand me a lopsided one sided story, my first reaction would be... .. this is a private matter, should be kept private... my next reaction would be, find out the other side of the story, not sit back as if I have some trump and bulldoze what there may have been of any friendship. Im not Matt or Charlie's friend no more, they are not bright enough to turn a f.cking coin over then screw'em. and you too you double tongued lying shiftless sac of crap! TELL THE TRUTH SHEELAGH! And, thank you Charlie and Matt! Congratulations, Hang in there boys! ;-) >> > > Did you send any obscene emails? >> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > would be... > .. this is a private matter, should be kept private... So that you can display all that sexy rage to sheelagh, and make her think that your abuse is something she "has coming," eh, Barry? The saddest thing is, she will fall for it. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > Did you send any obscene emails? >> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > ;-) Half truth about what Barry? I have the full emails, replies, headers and have read them. There is nothing to hide. I have not passed a judgment yet, ridiculed you yet or called you a liar yet have I. Have I said it is her over you or anything like that. All I did was tell you would you like to rephrase your answer when Charlie asked you a direct answer? There is a phrase from a book that I read when I was young It was "what a web we weave when we practice to deceive" I believe it is from Charlotte's web. The simpler the statement the more easy it is to believe > Half truth about what Barry? I have the full emails, replies, headers and > have read them. There is nothing to hide. I have not passed a judgment > yet, ridiculed you yet or called you a liar yet have I. Have I said it is > her over you or anything like that. All I did was tell you would you like > to rephrase your answer when Charlie asked you a direct answer? save it, I can assure you, you only got half |
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