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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2007Scottish Fold kitten seems lonely or in heat!
Well yesterday (6/24/07) I met up with a breeder and got a 12 week female Scottish Fold. We're keeping her in our bedroom (which is plenty cozy, has everything she needs), but she doesn't want to leave under the bed unless she has to. When she's under there all she does is meow and meow and meow; she kept me up most of the night with it. She isn't eating much (i put the food in front of her twice and she ate a couple of bites but that's it), but when she does eat she makes the cutest meow sound while she chews the food. It's adoable. Anyway... I know she isn't fixed and she might be in heat (but this young?), because when I was playing with her and scratching her, she was perking her bum up and making me scratch her there and she loved it. She meows out the window every chance she gets; but it's mostly her just sitting under the bed and meowing non-stop for hours that worries me. Maybe she misses her family? Maybe she's calling for a mate? We have a male domestic shorthair mix (neutered) who we've had for a few more days and we gave him run of the apartment until we get this new kitten checked out but they don't seem to acknowledge each other yet (we're keeping the bedroom door closed). She actually had some green gunk on her nose this morning, maybe she's getting a kitty cold? She has a vet appointment for tomorrow but I wanted to see what anyone thought I could do in the meantime to make her more comfortable. Thanks! On 25 Jun, 15:09, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well yesterday (6/24/07) I met up with a breeder and got a 12 week > female Scottish Fold. We're keeping her in our bedroom (which is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > wanted to see what anyone thought I could do in the meantime to make > her more comfortable. Thanks! she si probably missing her mum and her littermates and is generally rather stressed and a bit scared by asll the new styuff around her. let her come out from under the bed in her own time, just make sure she has plenty of fresh food and water availabl under there for herself in the meatime, she will come out eventually. I dontl thin kshe is in heat, not that young, she is just missing her mum and siblings terribly, as any young animals who has just been taken from her family would be (wouldn't you?). shame you could not get 2 kittens from the same litter together? would this be possible? are there any more kittens left? getting 2 together from the same litter means they keep each company give each other comfort when they are in a new place and will play together too (kittens left on their own can get bored without any playmates). see fi you can get one of her brother or sisters too, that may be a help.. dontl worry about her staying under the bed, she is scared, our last new arrival, terri 7-year old tortie, spend about 3 days squashed under the kitchen sink units and we had to slide plates of food and stuff under their for her. gods knows how she got in there but she felt safe there for a while and only came out at night to use the tray and check out her surroundings. It si about 4 months now since she came here and she has chilled out immensely and has her own favourite sofa spot, windowsill, cushion, and bed, althouhg she still runs under the tv whenever anyone knocks onthe frontdoor. she wil never be a lapcat beacsue of the way she was treated before but thats cool, as long as she is healthy and relatively happy. when i was a kid we got a 1 year old cat who had been kicked about the previous owner and she was PETRIFIED of everything. spent abot 2 weeks lying under my bed crying, again with plates of food and bowls of water pushed under there for her. she eventually came round and was such a cutie for the next 19 years. in the meantime you can be stockpiling lots of lovely toys for wwhen she does pluck up the courage to come out of her own choice, ping pong balls, ribbons, things on sticks, dangly things, cardboards boxes to investigate and jump into and out of, toilet roll inners to hide tasty treats in. keepign her amused and playign will help her to forget her siblings and enjoy her new home, but please dont; force her to come out too soon. poor little lamb, any photos? bookie Hey thanks for the response! I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's adorable! On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey thanks for the response! > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's > adorable! oops, forgot to include the link! http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp?_rh=39nwh3 1cahbzhgshndazaa7p4&foneblog=1182796156567 On 25 Jun, 19:43, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp... are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly upright and pointy and not particularly folded over at all > On 25 Jun, 19:43, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly > upright and pointy and not particularly folded over at all She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed, others straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has the same adorable face, though. >> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > oops, forgot to include the >> > link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/ f1/05ad02355cde.3gp... >> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly upright >> and pointy and not particularly folded over at all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has the same > adorable face, though. Interesting. It's none of my business, but I'm curious why you bought this particular type of cat rather than getting a free cat at a shelter. Charlie On 26 Jun, 06:54, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > >> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states Charlie? The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here, even from a rescue centre, they still charge around ?50-60 ($100-120)! Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To meet these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people would gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat... Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going for free, from private families who simply want to home their litters of kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm, sure this must be possible in the states too? Sheelagh snip >Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states? No. The charge is anywhere from $50 to $100 to cover the cost of exam, vaccinations, and spay/neuter if the cat is more than a few months old, which is really a bargain when you think of it. At my vet, all of this would probably run well over $200 for a male and around $300 for a female. >The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here, even from a rescue centre, they still charge around £50-60 ($100-120)! Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To meet these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people would gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat... >Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going for free, from private families who simply want to home their litters of kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm, sure this must be possible in the states too? Yes. "Free" kittens are never really free. In our vet's office, one of the local shelters is advertising a special where if you adopt one of their kitties ($90), you can adopt a second one "free." My husband and I chuckled over that one (that particular day's bill was *only* $87 dollars for the exam and the subcu fluids for Alex. The previous week's bill was also over $80 for the "mini-blood panel" and the special food). The adoption fee is the least of the expenses of a good cat slave. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > snip > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. < titter, he he > You are right of course! If I could get my cats to get all that work done for that price, I would snatch their hands of too;o) Cat -Slaving is a very expensive occupational hazard. The purchase price is nothing other than a true bargain.. it's the work that follows it that flattens you, isn't it? When Ringo was shot, & Lilly got pyometra within a couple of months of each other, my poor bank manger was having 40 fits & needed heart tablets to cope with the stress of it all. I can't say that I enjoyed it very much myself either. Or my poor cats come to that.... ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes me sick to think about it!) It is just nice to hear that Beowulf has got the same chance that little Scottie fold has too. I forgot to ask what her name was, sorry for that afairjudgement- what is her name? I'm sure that with love, some feliway, time & attention, they will grow to tolerate each other, & perhaps become even close given these attributes as they grow up together. Some kitties just take a bit longer to adapt than others do.. S;o) > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak > to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to > find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes > me sick to think about it!) i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and interest etc to pay it back. you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this, literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any punishment for those horrible vicious little bastards will veer really be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in hell i really do bookie ps i also wonder why the OP felt the need to buy a pedigree puss when there are loads of rescue kitties out there who also need homes badly. snip > you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in > hell i really do Me too. > ps i also wonder why the OP felt the need to buy a pedigree puss when > there are loads of rescue kitties out there who also need homes badly. He bought the pedigreed kitty but he simultaneously adopted the shelter kitty Beowulf. So, he did provide a home for one shelter kitty. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in > hell i really do > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and > interest etc to pay it back.u should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody If only!! > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this, > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any > punishment for those horrible vicious little bastards will veer really > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in > hell i really do I don't Bookie. I hate them with passion, but I hate myself even more for allowing them to get to him..... & you and I both, hope they rot in hell! It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one... <Glum> However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson to be learnt > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one... > <Glum> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson > to be learnt What lesson did you learn? Charlie On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one... > > <Glum> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Charlie That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse. Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o) S;o) > On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o) > S;o) I forgot to add In the UK... Sorry! S;o) > On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o) > S;o) Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around outside, or do you keep him indoors now? Charlie On Jun 27, 8:22 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around > outside, or do you keep him indoors now? dang'd ol emotional black mail >> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around > outside, or do you keep him indoors now? ------- IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing weblinks to different designs and discussing and getting people's opinions on what type of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and security for her cats. And she provided weblinks to photos of the enclosure when it was finished. Best regards, ---Cindy S. >>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > enclosure when it was finished. Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Yes. Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten about that. I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England. Charlie >>>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's > cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England. But they must be fwee. On 28 Jun, 06:22, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > >>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >> outside, or do you keep him indoors now? > > ------- On 28 Jun, 03:00, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > > IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe > > outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On 28 Jun, 03:00, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > > IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe > > outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > enclosure when it was finished. Best regards, > > ---Cindy S. > Yes. Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten about that. > Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around > outside, or do you keep him indoors now? When I made that comment, I thought you were already aware that we had built a cat run. It was a terribly painful lesson to learn from Both Ringo's & our point's of view too. This incident is something that had *never* happened to any of our cats prior to that incident, so there was no reason to feel there was any threat to them.. Hence our reason for allowing the adoptive cats to roam in the near vicinity of our house. Obviously, since Ringo was shot, things have changed. they had to. I couldn't run the risk of that happening again to our feline family.... > I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's > cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England. Charlie, I think you want me to say this: It pains me to say this, but increasingly, people are feeling so threatened by other people/ kids, with regard to their cats, that they are choosing to ensure that their pets are safe by enclosing them within our borders of our property. There are still very few reasons to think that there is any general threat towards our cats in as far as predators, ( other animals, rabies, & most of the general threats in the USA that lead most of you to conclude that indoor life for cats is the best option for them.) I have already tried explained how abnormal other Brits think it is when you try to explain why. I can only akin it to telling a Nomad in the Sahara that he should take better care of his camels in a stable in case someone or thing might hurt them, or they are being irresponsible! If I could explain in words how odd *other people* think it is to do that over here, I would try to. You will note that *I* no longer see it as a safe option, unless I happen to be with my cats on reins. They are allowed our in my garden via a tunnel into a cat pen which takes up about half of my garden, because I feel dreadful about taking away their liberty. Maybe others wouldn't, but I felt the need to give them as much freedom as I could without putting them @ risk... However, there is a growing trend of people who are unwilling to take that chance, & I happen to be one of them. There are not that many of us that feel this way over in the UK though. It makes me angry that I should have to go to these lengths, but it is much better than finding one of feline family dead. The threat is still relatively almost negligible.. But negligible is too great a threat to me personally.... I felt it was necessary & best for me & my cat's. Nevertheless, I would never dream of imposing my point of view on other cat slaves over here, because I do understand how minuscule that threat is, & It would be wrong of me to make them feel bad about what they feel is best for their cat. > I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's > cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England. I have read a couple of comments in this thread that have been designed & engineered to make "some" Brits rise to the bait. I see no reason to though. Why would I? I have no arguement over this issue.... What you say is actually increasingly true, & also very sad considering that cats have been allowed freedom for centuries, & there is no Rabies threat & almost no wildlife threat to them either. I am sure we will all adapt in time- It's just terribly sad to have to go to these lengths for fear of our main threat which is almost entirely, Humans.. Wouldn't you feel the same way if this was the case for you too? Sheelagh > There are still very few reasons to think that there is any general > threat towards our cats in as far as predators, ( other animals, rabies, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that he should take better care of his camels in a stable in case > someone or thing might hurt them, or they are being irresponsible! The U.K. is a backwards culture in many respects and this is a good example. The hazards facing outdoor cats are numerous and not confined to malicious teenagers. There is also the risk of traffic, storm drains, hollow walls, and other environmental hazards. You cannot tell me these things are not a factor in the U.K. One of your storm drains killed a full-grown man the other day... how much better would a cat fare? In parts of Asia, most people still smoke cigarettes and they think the health risks are overstated. Eventually they will wise up, and eventually the Brits will wise up about the dangers facing their outdoor cats. You have already wised up yourself, so you are ahead of the national average. Charlie > >> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > she provided weblinks to photos of the enclosure when it was finished. > Best regards, > ---Cindy S.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is true. I had to do it for peace of mind for all of my cats. Not just the pedigree cats. After all, it was the Ginger Tabby that was shot, rather than the pedigree ones, which actually suprised me.... Sheelagh > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - why shoudl you have to learn a lesson? that youi should not be able to enjoy your own freedom with your cats in your own neighbourhood? the only lesson that coudl be learnt from this is that you cannot leave anything to the british justice system which is crap, these nasty kids should have been slapped with some more than just their parents having to foot the bill, especially considering previous behaviour. did you go to the local pres abotut them? you should have done you know, you shoudl have named and shamed them and their cretinous parents who obviously are nto fit to bring up kids. > > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, > > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I had no need to Bookie. The family that lost Wizard went to them and reported the incident & their utter outrage. They came here to confirm that this in fact did happen to Ringo. & as far as humiliation goes, there was no need to do anything there either. The family is held in contempt by most of the village now. They don't forget things like that around here in a hurry. My guess is that they move in the next 6 months, judging by the for sale sign outside <BIG Grin> S;o) > > > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, > > > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - good, and i hope that their horrible children continue to ensure they get hounded out of every place they try to settle in, that will teach them to not bother bringing up their disgusting spawn properly. A good slap when they were younger would have sorted those kids out and taught them what is right and what is wrong from an early age by simople use of conditioning and negative reinforcement (ie you do something bad you get a slap, you dont do anything bad you dont get a slap, simple really, so simple I am sure even those retards coudl learn it). I bet they did the old 'reasoning with the kids' crap when the kids were very little and far too young to be reasoned with? very young kids just need to know the boundaries of what is acceptable and what is not, they cannot work it out for themselves when they are 2 or 3 years old as they have no 'theory of mind' at that age and their whole world revolves around their own pleasure and enjoyment. Very small kids don't give a thought about anyone else or their feelings, they have not developed cognitively enough to be able to do that yet, they are very egocentric. By failing to do this with their kids at a young age these people have basically failed their kids as they now have no notion of how to behave decently in modern society or how to function properly around other people either. tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for the kids? i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out. > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out > of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for > the kids? > > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out. Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality test, consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while wearing blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a way of learning more about yourself. Charlie On Jun 28, 2:11 am, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their > > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Charlie bookie would make a good neo-con robot in the States Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von- - 28 Jun 2007 07:16 GMT On Jun 28, 2:14 am, Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden- schlitter-crass- <estuspir...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 28, 2:11 am, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > bookie would make a good neo-con robot in the States just right of Attila the Hun On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their > > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Charlie i know myself very well thank you, and i know i do not need to resort to nasty sly little comments such as this one form you to feel good about myself what a knobcheese Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty- - 29 Jun 2007 05:17 GMT > On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote:> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > what a knobcheese Wow. What a frustrated bint you are. Go service yourself and have a kip. > On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > nasty sly little comments such as this one form you to feel good about > myself What do you expect? I've been reading your posts for several months. You are intelligent and much of what you write is good common sense. But, at the same time, it's hard not to notice that violent/morbid fantasies are a recurring theme with you, one that goes well beyond what I would consider normal. It piques my curiosity the same way a car accident might. Here are some pictures that show what happens when someone has a burning tire put around their neck: http://www.africancrisis.org/photos11.asp Is this something you'd like to bring into your life? Charlie On 29 Jun, 09:28, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - not mine but maybe someone else then maybe they would not continue to harm innocent little kitties > > > > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's, > > > > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I don't think we need to. My kids tell me that the boys have paid quite dearly for what they have done already, hence the decision to move, & asap. It would seem as the price of the house has gone down in price twice in two months already!! Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with. It gives us all ( the whole Village), a chance to express our feelings in a none violent way, but humiliates them & it is something that they would never forget to the end of their days as well. You know how cruel kids can be when it pleases them, & In this instance I think it might possibly be far more effective than the burning tyre method, (however tempting it feels;o) These lads really have paid dearly for what they did. They became known as the cat-Bashers, Have no friends anymore & very few people have time to speak to the Family in general. I think that is why they decided to move & try & have make a new start. Much as I hate what they did to our Ringo, &, I do find it hard to find forgiveness...I have to be honest when I tell you that the whole family paid for what thier boys did to him. When you live in a small village, life is like that. Had Ringo not made it through that incident, I might feel differently, as do Wizard's Family (who now have Paddy, the Bi-colour, Paddy, we had), But Ringo is ok now, & they did pay for it in money and kind, believe me?!! I can't forgive them, but I can move on, simply because I have to. The worst part was loosing faith in humanity, & having to take some of the cats liberty away from them. It broke my heart to have to do that, but I couldn't go through that again, so I felt I had no choice. It's sad really, isn't it? Sheelagh Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats. Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere. On 28 Jun, 18:04, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats. > Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere. Your right. This is neither the time nor the place to debate this issue. < Smile & chilling down fast, Lol> I offer my apologies for allowing this issue spill over into your post. I would like to hope that others do too! How did you get on @ the vets when you took Rofl & Beowulf the other day. I hope that it went well & that you had a possitive outcome, with good suggestions as to how to cope with Rofl's timidness? It would be interesting to hear what their advice was? Thank you, sheelagh > Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats. > Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere. ------- Usenet groups are public, and threads do tend to go off on tangents. The incident with Ringo's being shot was a really huge deal, and a major topic for conversation on this group for several weeks. The group (as a whole) had many strong feelings then and continues to have strong feelings now about what happened to Ringo. If you want a private conversation, then use e-mail, but otherwise, you can't tell people on a public newsgroup to take a conversation "elsewhere" particularly when the conversation is totally on-topic (of cat health and behavior). Best regards, ---Cindy S. Meanwhile....... things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens. See, Beowulf is the excited, exploratory kind of tomcat, who will jump on anything, play with you whenever you want, let you touch/pet/hold him. Newly named Rofl (the scottish fold), is still as skittish as ever. She's been getting up, running around, having a blast with Beowulf; but it seems Beowulf is adopting her sense to run away whenever we go to touch him in any way. If you get too close to her, she'll immediately high-tail it for the bedroom down the hall and hang out under the very hard to access platform bed, until much later (usually a matter of hours), whereas Beowulf will just run from you until you give up, he won't even hide. I am tempted to keep them blocked off from the bedroom where it seems their safe haven is, if only to limit the number of hiding spaces they have to get away from us whenever they want. Beowulf I'm not too concerned about, he'll be fine...he's too adventurous and affectionate to not be. But Rofl...I have to chase her around sometimes to get her to let me pick her up and pet her for a while. She still struggles while being pet; I even had her in my lap for a good 30 minutes straight the other night, she tried to get away probably once a minute, every minute, for 30 minutes. Does this mean she isn't a lapcat or am I expecting too much, considering we've only had them 4 days? She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone wants to be physical with her. She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's progress. > She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She > will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with > it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone wants > to be physical with her. I would leave her alone and let her hide wherever she feels most comfortable. You are reinforcing her aversion to contact. Some cats do not like to be held or touched, and you have to find other ways to relate to them. Charlie On 28 Jun, 19:17, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Meanwhile....... > things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's > progress. please do not close off her safe area, she needs that, she wil come round in time, but she will only do so if she knows she has somewhere she can still escape to if she suddenyl feels threatened. think bowlby's attachment theory and about the securely attached child; such a child will go exploring because they know there is a place where they can return to easily and get security and protection (ie the mother or care giver), they are happy to go and roam and make new friends because they knwo they still ahve the 'secure base' there which they can retuirn to at anytime, this is what your scottish fold needs and that is why you cannot close off the bedroom to her > Meanwhile....... > things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's > progress. You'll never, ever, ever get a cat to come to you if you forcibly restrain her. Cats are notoriously independent and form an aversion to people who try to bend them to their will. And it you take away their hiding place they will only become more and more skittish and afraid - they need that save haven in order to feel confident enough to explore (which, at first) is usally done at night while you're sleeping). Perversly, the best way to get a cat to come to you is to totally ignore them (that's actually correct etiquette in cat body language - just watch how two cats interact, how they turn their faces away from each other). 4 days is nowhere near long enough for a cat's introduction to a new home. It usually takes upwards of two weeks, but should always go at the cat's pace, not yours. HTH, HAND Hugs, CatNipped > <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > CatNipped Finally, some helpful words. Thank you. I've been doing just that, even before you mentioned it. Sometimes I can be really impatient and I wasn't sure what would be considered acceptable with kittens in this respect. I've never had a kitten before, so mind me. I'm just going to continue ignoring her and hope that she comes around. Thanks again. I hope the rest of you can settle your tension in a healthy fashion; it's pretty sick what you guys are getting into with this conversation. With such complete disregard for any other people (and concerned people such as myself). You shouldn't even be on the internet. Go outside and argue with a fire hydrant, it'll probably be more willing to deal with your BS than anyone on the internet will. <snip> > I wasn't sure what would be considered acceptable with kittens in this > respect. I've never had a kitten before, so mind me. I'm just going to > continue ignoring her and hope that she comes around. If it is a very young kitten, 6 - 10 weeks old, that's a different story - they need to be handled a lot at that age to get them used to people. But after that you need to take a totally different approach as I outlined in my last post. Also, what may help to acclimate her is to use a wand-type, feathered "cat teaser" to play with her (a plastic stick with a long piece of leather attached to that and a group of feathers attached to the end of the leather). The feathers will be distant enough from you so that she doesn't feel threatened, but the more she plays close to you, the more comfortable she will be with you. What I usually do with new cats is shove the wand of the toy in my waistband and just walk around the house with the feather dragging behind me. When the cat looks at you, you are facing away from her and are non threatening, but they can't seem to resist that dragging feather. <snip> Hugs, CatNipped On 28 Jun, 19:03, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On 28 Jun, 18:04, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thank you, > sheelagh On 26 Jun, 13:26, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 8:20 am, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Oh that's good to hear about the eating thing, i had a feeling it was > something like that. On 29 Jun, 15:46, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I will definately bare that in mind for the future. On 28 Jun, 19:03, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On 28 Jun, 18:04, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > post. > I would like to hope that others do too! I am genuinely sorry that you feel this way as you have already seen.... I will definately bare that in mind for the future. I very much hope that Rofl & Beowulf will sort out their differences Cat Nipped has provided excellent advice, & I hope that you heed it because it will work. You have only to think of it from a cat's point of view to see that she is spot on. If this is your 1st cat, then you did the right thing by coming to the place where you will get the good advice that you need. I wish you all the best with your new slave drivers & look forward to more instalments on the life and times of Rofl & Beowulf Sheelagh Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty- - 29 Jun 2007 21:09 GMT > I will definately bare that in mind for the future. > I will definately bare that in mind for the future. **definitely** **bear** Don't you have a spellchecker? "Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-" <estuspirkle@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1183147742.677237.23190@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future. >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Don't you have a spellchecker? ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police! Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;> Hugs, CatNipped Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty- - 29 Jun 2007 21:34 GMT > "Johann > Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger?-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-hor?owitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"<estuspir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > CatNipped Did anyone ask *you* anything? Sit the f.ck down and shut up until I tell you to speak. "Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-" <estuspirkle@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1183149272.164879.19100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 4:32 pm, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: > "Johann > Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"<estuspir...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > CatNipped Did anyone ask *you* anything? Sit the f.ck down and shut up until I tell you to speak. ======================================== ROTFLMAO! Go enroll in "Trolling 101" and while you're there teach your grandma to suck eggs! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > "Johann > Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-" [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > CatNipped Hell Yeah!1 there is the Catnip I love ;-) Go get him girl >> "Johann >> Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-" [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Hell Yeah!1 there is the Catnip I love ;-) Go get him girl LOL, it has been a while, hasn't it? I guess life has finally let up on me enough lately for me to get back into the swing of things (and I'm ready to take a swing at un-droll trollers again)! ;> Hugs, CatNipped "CatNipped" <CatNipped@PossiblePlaces.com> That troll has been around for a little while. I kill filed it and a few others awhile ago when I saw how they were acting. Now sometimes I think I want to troll hunt again. I realize how boring they become and how lame their comments end up being. There has not been a good troll in a long time. They end being like an remake of an old Simpson episode when they were on the In living color show. First sign of a boring troll or an anal retentive a@@hole is that they point out grammar mistakes. > >> "Johann > >> Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-" [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ignore him, he hasn't actually bothered to give any decent advice to this OP, unlike most other people, so he ain't worth worrying about, he is just a little twat On Jun 28, 1:04 pm, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats. > Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere. Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction of it. The conversation goes where it goes. Lis > Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has > no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction > of it. The conversation goes where it goes. > > Lis That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct. When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens. >> Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has >> no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell > and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens. Unfortunately this happens quite a bit sometimes. Being a unmoderated forum this happens all you can do is go with the flow, jump in or get off the beach. Some times it is time to break out the popcorn >> Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has >> no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums > particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct. But this isn't one of those fora and has no such codes of conduct. > When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic > disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut > down. And that's the difference between a forum or a moderated group and an unmoderated group (such as this one). There is no moderator on an unmoderated group to shut a thread down if the topic disappears or turns into something else. That's why people form moderated groups, but this particular group is not moderated. >These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell > and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens. I don't know who are "these people" but Bookie's comments were regarding the idiots who shot Sheelagh's cat, Ringo, and were not directed at you or your kittens. Above, Lis was simply explaining to you how Usenet works (as I did). No one is getting angry with you as far as I can tell. Best regards, ---Cindy S. On 28 Jun, 21:40, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has > > no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell > and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens. maybe if you read about the incident sheelagh is referring to re-ringo et al it may be of help, ir what happened the treatment he had etc, considering how easily available guns are inthe US it may be well worth your while reading about it bookie and dont; force the scottish fold to sit on your lap if she doesn;t want to, I don't force either of mine to, dontl; think any of my cats have ever been real lap cats and quite frankly i couldnt care less, that is not what i got them for. i got them to give them a home and to spoil them rotten, not so that they woudl do my bidding and sit on my lap at my command. just let the poor little mite be for a while, stop scaring her too and grabbing her, give her some space and time. get down to her level, physically i mean, get down on the floor and just spend time lying next to her on the floor talking to her, just do this a few times without attempting to touch her or pick her up, show her that you are no threat to her and that you are nice to be with, give her some tasty cat treats whilst you're at it, then go away and leave her, then go back an just sit with her. give a few days then try to stroke her, build it up slowly and allow her to come out of her shell and see that you are no threat, don't force her into having contact with you or that will just scare her more and destroy any relationship. anymore pictures of her? On Jun 28, 4:40 pm, "afairjudgem...@gmail.com" <afairjudgem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has > > no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell > and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens. This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup--not a web forum such as you may be more familiar with. Topic drift happens all the time, and it's especially likely when there's an existing community of regular posters, and an emotionally charged event that has affected the regulars recently. And, really, it's not all that productive to _demand_ helpful responses. Human beings, you may have noticed, can be almost as perverse and stubborn as cats. Lis > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them in > the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy rotten > eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with. Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to Australia. Charlie On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them in > > the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy rotten [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Charlie > Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a > backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a > nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty criminals > were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the king > intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to Australia. Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of protest before Charlie? It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear not. I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia? ( who has a pretty tight immigration laws I might add!! In fact, if you have a criminal record, you can pretty well write off the intention of migrating there...) FYI I was *trying* to make light of a situation that I can assure you was not in the least funny. Inside I feel a boiling anger. However, I am intelligent enough to realise that whatever I feel has no baring in relation to reality. It's happend, I have learnt the hard way from the situation, I have done what I feel is right for my cats. If you feel this is the wrong thing to do, I would like to hear your reasons why? Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself & wouldn't either. If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said, you are determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually agree with! ( all be they small issues) Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your motive behind your comments? Sheelagh > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of > protest before Charlie? I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non- violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I will grant you. > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear > not. > > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia? No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection. > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself & > wouldn't either. But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs, right? > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said, No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond, i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon. >you are > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your > motive behind your comments? See above. Charlie > > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > - Show quoted text - <SIGH> > > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of > > protest before Charlie? > > I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non- > violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I > will grant you. Thank you! You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all. I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted here, on you. I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er.. I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to still have Ringo. Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence, simply isn't how I would deal with it. Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all! You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it. Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually happen? Of course it wouldn't!! Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it? > > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear > > not. You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread > > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any > > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning > > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia? > > No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with > the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection. I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it? > > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out > > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs, > right? No, you said "right"? It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all. I was trying to calm a volatile situation down. I hate confrontation. I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled for. Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would dearly wish to calm down? Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing? <because that is how I felt @ the time> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, & never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you in particular. > > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said, > > No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond, I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no reason.. What would you think? Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my position... ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of your ridicule) > i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon. Why say this? How uncalled for is that? Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here? I think not. *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as such? I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair judgment & a reasonable character. What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion? Have you never made a mistake? I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can I do for you, or them? How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news. > >you are > > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory > > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming > > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually > > agree with! > > ( all be they small issues) Perhaps I am wrong? Please tell me that I am not? > > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I > > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your > > motive behind your comments? I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal humour? > See above. >> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> >> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was > a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er.. The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't resist! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can > do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > humour? >> See above. >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> >>> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > CatNipped ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someone's typo when you make your own! Let's try this again... They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon. Hugs, CatNipped >> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can >> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] >> humour? >>> See above. > >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > >>> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 227 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> >You know I > love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon. No reason @ all to duck n dive.. ROFLMAO <VERY WIDE GRIN & GIGGLE TOO> I'm simply delighted to see / hear you laughing again. You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have been through recently, it is like music to my ears..... I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't imagine why, can you? LOL;o) I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..? <splitting my sides laughing> Have all of the fun you want, & go for it girl . I'm more than certain that you will have the time of your life with this one.. Enjoy my dear, sheelagh >> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >> >>> > <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> [quoted text clipped - 275 lines] > Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes > me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..? Ok Ok make and old man blush why don't you ;-) <evil grin red faced> > <splitting my sides laughing> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Enjoy my dear, > sheelagh > Ok Ok make and old man blush why don't you ;-) > > <evil grin red faced> Matthew, my darling, if ever one should snip it is when following up the British Windbags. > >> "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 290 lines] > > Enjoy my dear, > > sheelagh On 30 Jun, 02:12, "cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Matthew, my darling, if ever one should snip it is when following > up the British Windbags. > Matthew, my darling, if ever one should snip it is when following > up the British Windbags. Wow, coming from you Mary.. or is it Cybercat...? Who the hell knows heh....?!! OK OK make and old man blush why don't you ;-) I didn't intend to Matthew. I was trying to raise a smile, which I got in your case <smile returned if it's not too embarrassing to publicly accept it> Extremely well snipped so that the British Windbag don't upset Cybercat. God forbid I should do that! I was being genuine with regard to Cat-Nipped, but do recognise that I am new here & as a result come near the bottom of the hierarchy dump. I very much liked Cat-Nip, & still do come to that..... Sheelagh You never have to apologize to me Cybercat you need to please let it go and please leave it behind > OK OK make and old man blush why don't you ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sheelagh > You never have to apologize to me > > Cybercat you need to please let it go and please leave it behind Let what go? Leave what behind? If you're going to insist on replying to people who write 100-line whiny posts without snipping, I guess you can expect me to ask you to snip. As for everything else, Sheelagh has been posting here long enough to be able to figure out many things that she cannot be bothered do figure out, such as, when she clicks on a post and replies, she is replying to the person named at the top of the post wher it says "__________" wrote in message ___________________. Any fool could see that Catnipped was not addressing Sheelagh with her comments. And if she feels free to just ramble the f.ck on, I might just comment on it. It's Usenet, not a nursery school. I was nice to Sheelagh for a long time until I noticed that she is a brick. Now I have her killfiled, but I read you. Snip, will you? Jesus. What were there, 250 lines in that post, including everyone's? > You never have to apologize to me > > Cybercat you need to please let it go and please leave it behind And do not *swat* limp before the lame. You do them no good. >> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >> >>> > <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> [quoted text clipped - 266 lines] > You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have > been through recently, it is like music to my ears..... Thank you so much Sheelagh! For a while there I didn't think I would ever laugh again. > I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell > checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to > pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't > imagine why, can you? LOL;o) It just *SO* tickles me when some kid first discovers UseNet and then discovers the thrill of "anonymously" shooting barbs and trolling. They think they are so original and witty and that the trite "come-backs" they're using have not been used a million times before by their elders. It's kind of like watching kittens "kill" a feather teaser, gracelessly jumping and flailing around and the whole time thinking they are deadly killing machines!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As > Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Enjoy my dear, > sheelagh > >> "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 314 lines] > > CatNipped This is somewhat true, & I have to admit that we are only emulating our elders here. That is how most kids learn, isn't it? I wasn't trying to be original. I was genuinely v. happy to see you smile S;o) <snip> >> > Enjoy my dear, >> > sheelagh [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I was genuinely v. happy to see you smile > S;o) You misunderstood, hon, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the troll, Yo'hand Gamble-Pouty or whatever the f*ck his pseudonym is. Hugs, CatNipped > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank Goodness for that. I was seriously worride that I had upset you in some way, which was the last thing I wanted. You have been through enough recently..... I just pretend he doesn't exist, because in my reality world, he simply doesn't register. I believe he has been stalking Barry for some time. I feel for him, but have no wish to become entangled in that. He is one of those idiots that chooses to include me in some of his email address nyms. What a weirdo & kind of sad ,heh? Anyway, how are those gorgeous boys of yours, & their mummy too? Photos always welcome S;o) Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty- - 30 Jun 2007 06:10 GMT > I just pretend he doesn't exist, because in my reality world, he > simply doesn't register. That's why you can't stop thinking about me -- even in other NGs. Everytime time you post, you think about me, if only for a second. Here's what kind of demented loon *you* are: "DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE MADE ME REACH THE POINT OF WANTING TO COMMIT SUICIDE BECAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER WAY TO GET YOU OUT OF MY LIFE?" link to the original post: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/20c88815f3e2472e You ranted about suicide because of a spell |
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