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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2008Horrific Night
I was awakened at about 4am, I heard screams from the garage from one or more of the 3 kittens staying there with there semi feral mom. I couldn't see in the garage from my bedroom but I could hear the sound of onr or more of them trying to climb into a drawer of a woodfen bainet I have in their. It was pouring rain and I was a bit groggy so I don't know exzactly what I heard. Maybe another animal had come into the garage and chased one of the kittens. Was it another cat, a rooster from the illegals living in the house behind mine, was it the Mother cat. Today I went into then garage looking for one of the 3 kittens, it was the kitten who was most fearful of humans, that being me when I brought them food it would run and hide in the garge and not come out until it was midnight. The other 2 kittens, one a runt is fearless and a white one who is reasonabley cautious but I have touched it while it feed. I found the kitten in a draw, it was viciously attacked, I mean the f.cking ears where ripped off and I couldn't even find the head. I can still hear it screeching and claweing against the wood of the dresser It was like Silence of the Lambs I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of her kittens if indeed she killed this one? > I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of > her kittens if indeed she killed this one? If it was the mother and she has been nursing and caring for the kittens, chances are good that there was something really wrong with the kitten that is now dead. Did you ever see that kitten? Do you know if it was nursing well, healthy, or even formed properly? If it wasn't the mother, you should probably close up the garage at night, eh?  SignatureLynne > on Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:31:04 GMT, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Lynne She had been caring for it. I could never get a good look at it becasue she took off whenever she heard any sound . I saw it from a distance and it was of good size but very very nervous, skittish, fearful compared to the other 2. The mother stands outside the garage at night guarding against a possum that sometimes comes thru looking for food but the possum couldn't have scaled the dresser draws. The Mom would have fought off any intruders or I would have heard the commotion. I live in downstate NY, aren't many wild animals around. I think you gave me the answer I'll live with. Something was wrong with the kitten and she killed it. Maybe the downpour made her or the kitten a little crazy. I took out he whole dresser sraw and laid it in the backyard after covering the kitten and the mother and kittens haven't gone near it. It has me in a very somber state. The screams and the scratching and then silence. FUp > I was awakened at about 4am, I heard screams from the garage from one > or more of the 3 kittens staying there with there semi feral mom. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of > her kittens if indeed she killed this one? You didn't go and check when you first heard the screams? I've learned to check on the chickens when they start making a fuss at night, because there's always a good reason. Once it was a skunk that had just arrived at the chicken coop, and once an owl had found a stray hen and just killed it probably like no more than a minute before I got there(corpse was still warm, owl sitting on top, hadn't even started to eat it). Never seen an owl that big(well it wasn't like huge, but for me, I'm used to those tiny owls that aren't like more than a foot tall). On Jun 4, 8:31 pm, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > I was awakened at about 4am, I heard screams from the garage from one > or more of the 3 kittens staying there with there semi feral mom. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of > her kittens if indeed she killed this one? You know, my knee-jerk reaction to this -- and correct me if I have interpreted this wrongly -- is why didn't you immediately check out what was wrong? Did you wait until *morning* to check on them, after you "heard" what sounded like the kittens scrambling around in there? A tomcat probably got into the garage and killed the kitten. That is *not* unusual I'm wondering whether the poor thing could have been saved from the suffering. Sherry > A tomcat probably got into the garage and killed the kitten. That is > *not* > unusual I'm wondering whether the poor thing could have been saved > from the > suffering. Yep, my thought too since the mama was caring for the kitten properly and it was thriving. To the OP: please close the garage at night. How do you expect a mama cat to defend her kittens, all of the--er now both--all by herself? I can't imagine horrific it must have been not only for the poor kitten, but for the mama to have to witness what happened. And please dispose of the kitten's remains. Of course they aren't going near them. Why would they?? SignatureLynne YES, CLOSE the garage so another animal cannot get in. Gail >> A tomcat probably got into the garage and killed the kitten. That is >> *not* [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the mama to have to witness what happened. And please dispose of the > kitten's remains. Of course they aren't going near them. Why would they?? > YES, CLOSE the garage so another animal cannot get in. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Listen you pathetic fool, its been 90 degrees for 3 days and humid. I should lock the 4 cats in the garage with fertilizer, gas cans, dust cat crap, FLYS and other BUGS, and all the other crap that exists in garage and the heat overnight in a garage???????? Plus their feral and kittens, that means they have very weak defenses. I've saw 2 ferals die last year from respiratory problems I've cared for 100 cats and dogs but especially cats. When I wrote the inital question I suspected the answer was the Mom i justed didn't want to believe it because I've grown found of her. I know what mother cats do sometime, they regularly abandon kittens They also kill their own. This was an ugly case of mother nature > Listen you pathetic fool, its been 90 degrees for 3 days and humid. I > should lock the 4 cats in the garage with fertilizer, gas cans, dust [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > regularly abandon kittens They also kill their own. This was an ugly > case of mother nature The only reason to suspect the mother would be if the kitten was already being neglected and/or showing signs of having something wrong with it. The only reason you want to suspect the mother now is because it's the simplest answer. The fact is that it is NOT the most logical explanation based on what you have said. There probably was a tom cat in your garage last night mauling that kitten to death while you stayed in your comfy bed listening to the screaming. If you aren't prepared to take measures to prevent it again tonight, then be prepared to clean up another bloody kitten in the morning. You may want to put in your ear plugs, though, so that these cats you claim you are caring for don't disturb your beauty rest. SignatureLynne >> Gail"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Listen you pathetic fool, its been 90 degrees for 3 days and humid. Honey, she's not the one who's pathetic, or a fool. And why the hell should any of us know where you live or what the weather is like? Everyone here has been pretty nice to you, considering the way you're acting. >garage and the heat overnight in a garage???????? Plus their feral and >kittens, that means they have very weak defenses. I've saw 2 ferals >die last year from respiratory problems Good lord. So it's not your fault, it's that kittens have weak defenses? Because some cats died from respiratory problems? That doesn't even make sense. >regularly abandon kittens They also kill their own. This was an ugly >case of mother nature So why did you even bother asking? Find a place where the animals can be safe and not get attacked. Check on the kittens if you hear them scrabbling, especially if it's loud enough to wake you up. Stacia >>>Gail"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Honey, she's not the one who's pathetic, or a fool. And why the hell > should any of us know where you live or what the weather is like? And more to the point, 90 degrees and "humid" (according to the poster) isn't very harsh at all. It ain't the Ritz or even a Holiday Inn, but it's not bad. No doubt, the 90 degrees is an exagerration anyway and it represents a daytime high, not the temperature at nite. > Listen you pathetic fool, its been 90 degrees for 3 days and humid. A whole 90 degrees, you say? f.ck you - that's nothing, especially compared to being ripped to shreds. Get your f.cking cat spayed and give them ALL up for adoption. You are unfit to care for pets. > On Jun 4, 8:31 pm, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The incident was over very quick and I thought they were just playing, all 4 of them. I was asleep when it started and figured it was something to do with the pouring rain which they have never seen before, not like this. Thats why I didn't go out. I'm feeling guilty because of it. Around here its just cats and dogs and ther are no dogs around. I live in heavily populated NY suburb. There are no big animals. The only possible animal would have been the rooster that the house of 20 illegals smuggled in, how they even have rooster/hems is ridiculous but would a farm bird dur this. This cat was impossibel to catch, she/ he ran behind a pile of furniure and junk. I had trouble geting within 50'. Thats why I think is was Mom. The mother has no front teeth but 2 she does have big big back fangs. The Mother is the only thing that could have gotten close. On Jun 4, 10:19 pm, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Jun 4, 8:31 pm, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > does have big big back fangs. The Mother is the only thing that could > have gotten close.- Or a tomcat. And there ARE tomcats in the area, or there wouldn't be any kittens. It's not unusual for toms to kill kittens when they can. Why are you so determined to believe that it was the mother? Lis On 5 Jun, 03:19, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Jun 4, 8:31 pm, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Kittens do not make screams loud enough to wake someone up in a nearby house if they are 'just playing' there was obviously something VERY WRONG happening and you couldn;t be boethered to get up and check it out. face up to the facts; the kitten was ripped to shreds because of your slack attitude god almighty, lets hope the mother cat moves her kits to somewhere else or someone else's garage who does actually give a sh.t about animals and is not some lazy-arse retard who doesn't want her beauty sleep disturbed > I was awakened at about 4am, I heard screams from the garage from one > or more of the 3 kittens staying there with there semi feral mom. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of > her kittens if indeed she killed this one? ** How horrible. I would try to catch the kittens, ASAP, if you can. So if their is* a predator cat or Mom-( I shudder to think) lurking around out there, you can protect the remaining kittens. FWIW, it's really not that hard to actually catch them, just put some food in a nice, med sized boxy animal carrier with a door, and either lure them in with food, then snap the door shut, or let them eat deep inside of it a few times, then quickly shut the door on them. After trapping you'd need to then put them in a room, in a controlled environment + immediately try to socialize them with various people, sounds, and your voice, and all other creatures, in time. I would also physically touch them a lot if you can contain them in like a med sized dog 'crate' cage. Then when they are about 10 wks or 12, hopefully, you can find good approved homes for them. I have rescued cats quite often through out the years that have been neglected, abandoned and/or lost, and have spent by own money to have them checked out, neutered/ fixed, bought medicines, etc, etc. I encourage you to do the same. Try to rescue the kittens, and try to give them a better life. It's the right thing to do, IMO. ML <Stephata@gmail.com> Did anyone bother to think this person was a troll and was doing this to get a rise out of all of you. Google the display name this was one of his post read it real well specially the second sentence. Than read what the others said about him he was being weir there also they thought he needed a shrink and should have been on medication http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal.moderated/browse_thread/thread/fb205ba e62ac4488/158ca78188bff410?lnk=st&q=Stephata%40gmail.com&rnum=2#158ca78188bff410 "An Orthopedic Surgeon backed out of a Hip Replacement 4 days before the operation we had scheduled for 6 weeks. He said F'up people like me will intentional self inflict damage to the new hip and sue him. He made me get clearance from Psychchitrist, Primamry care Doc, Pain Managment, and Pre Surgery phsical. I gave the OK. But Surgeon claimed the Psych I had seen for sleep problems said I was a BIG RISK...The Psych will vouvh he said nothing even close. I am in severe pain, cannot work until its replaced and its causing more damage to my back.I am having a hard time getting a new Surgeon because they all think something is wrong with ME becasue of this fat arrogant little scumbag and I am having a hard time getting help. This Doc entered into an agreement, placed demands on me that I met and had weeks to decide not to operate..not 4 days before. He also said he would not operate I F'up(someone who has seen a Psychiatrist). Can't I sue this pig for Discrimination or Malpractice " > <Steph...@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Psychiatrist). Can't I sue this pig for Discrimination or > Malpractice " i really do hope this a-hole is troll, I cannot bear to think of helpless kittens beign left to try and defend themselves unsuccessfully whilst this lazy sh.t sits in his room and listens to their screams > <Steph...@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Psychiatrist). Can't I sue this pig for Discrimination or > Malpractice " I see what you mean.... S. > <Stephata@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > others said about him he was being weir there also they thought he needed > a shrink and should have been on medication Either way, I second that this person needs a shrink and medication. And to be hit upside the head possibly as well. > <Steph...@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Psychiatrist). Can't I sue this pig for Discrimination or > Malpractice " I googled him & now see what you mean. He is a loony toon through and through!! If any of you are bored & have nothing better to do, this character will give you a laugh every other minute, if you don't cry @ the shame that he calls himself human...what a twisted idiot! S;o) > <Stephata@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > would not operate I F'up(someone who has seen a Psychiatrist). Can't I > sue this pig for Discrimination or Malpractice " Yes, Matthew, I felt something was wrong here. Any "normal" cat person would have hastened to the rescue broom in hand. MLB On Jun 5, 9:31 am, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > I was awakened at about 4am, I heard screams from the garage from one > or more of the 3 kittens staying there with there semi feral mom. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of > her kittens if indeed she killed this one? On 5 Jun, 02:31, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > I was awakened at about 4am, I heard screams from the garage from one > or more of the 3 kittens staying there with there semi feral mom. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I fear it was the Mother? Could this be? Might she kill another of > her kittens if indeed she killed this one? why the f.ck did you not get your lazy arse out of your bed and bother to go and check onthe kittens when you heard all this commotion? jesus christ! you could have saved this poor thing from a very painful death, but no instead you just rolled over and stuck your head under the duvet and went back to sleep didn't you? I hope you can live with yourself now, I coudln't if I had ignored the screams of a baby animal being viciously attacked, and the kitten isn't living at all now is it? well done there, well done bookie > On 5 Jun, 02:31, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I can only pray that Matthew is correct. I couldn't bare the thought that someone would intentionally listen that row & ignore it, knowing that there were small kittens in their care. It is almost beyond belief or credibility when you think about it?!! S. >> I hope you can live with yourself now, I couldn't if I had ignored the >> screams of a baby animal being viciously attacked, and the kitten [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >belief or credibility when you think about it?!! >S. Whether or not this guy is a troll, it's a thought-provoking subject. I remember my first cat Albert... I loved him dearly. He used to catch baby rabbits in my yard. Has anyone ever heard a rabbit scream? It's a wrenching sound. Once in awhile at night, Albert would catch a rabbit and I would have to listen to its screams as he tormented and finally killed it. Sometimes the process would take half an hour. Should I have intervened? I did, several times, when it happened under my nose in daylight... I would crush the bunny's skull to put it out of its misery, and then leave it to Albert, who never ate it because he preferred his store-bought cat food. Charlie >>> I hope you can live with yourself now, I couldn't if I had ignored the >>> screams of a baby animal being viciously attacked, and the kitten [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Charlie Rabbit and horse death screams are the worse. The barn cats used to toy with the rats and it was unsettling to hear them do their thing to where I used to take the shovel to the side of the barn to scare them to knock it off specially when it is 4 in the morning and ice cold with snow on the ground on Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:56:08 GMT, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote: > Whether or not this guy is a troll, it's a thought-provoking subject. > I remember my first cat Albert... I loved him dearly. He used to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > out of its misery, and then leave it to Albert, who never ate it > because he preferred his store-bought cat food. I don't think the post Matthew dug up neccessarily implies that this person is a troll. What it says to me is that s/he is a dumbass with emotional problems. I have heard baby bunnies scream. It sounds almost like a human baby screaming and it's very disturbing. One of my dogs skinned one alive and the poor little thing just screamed and screamed. I took him to the vet and had him euthanized. The vet was so kind. I called him from my car. He came out of surgery and did it as soon as I walked in the door and wouldn't take my money, not even for the drugs. It would have been kinder to the bunny if I could have killed him myself, but discharging firearms is illegal in my neighborhood and I don't have the guts to do it in a more intimate manner. I don't let the bunnies make nests in our yard anymore. That poor mama bunny was very closeby listening to her baby scream and unable to do anything about it. Just like that mama cat was in this dipshit's garage. SignatureLynne > I have heard baby bunnies scream. It sounds almost like a human > baby screaming and it's very disturbing. One of my dogs skinned [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > illegal in my neighborhood and I don't have the guts to do it in > a more intimate manner. They are quite loud, aren't they! I have them nesting in my yard all spring and one year I got close to the nest with the lawnmower, but the mama wasn't there. The bunnies screamed bloody murder when the mower got close, and I actually heard them over the engine, so none were injured. That time. I ran over two one day, the first time I ever saw them in my yard. They ran in the path before I even saw them. One was killed instantly, the other I put in a box until I finished mowing, then released it. They weren't newborns and were old enough to be without mom. I won't tell you about the time one got into the cat enclosure and I never found it until it was decomposing. Blech. I found and secured all openings big enough to let in anything after that. It was just an oversight that I won't let happen again. > I don't let the bunnies make nests in our yard anymore. That > poor mama bunny was very closeby listening to her baby scream > and unable to do anything about it. Just like that mama cat was > in this dipshit's garage. How do you keep them from making nests in your yard? These days I go around the yard before I mow looking for tufts of fur. SignatureCheryl on Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:43:54 GMT, Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: > How do you keep them from making nests in your yard? These days I > go around the yard before I mow looking for tufts of fur. I used to give them a wide berth when I saw them building up cozy nests in low spots in the yard, now I chase them away. The dogs help with this. I've also filled in the areas they used to prefer with topsoil and grass seed. We haven't had a bunny nest in 2 years now, and I'm a lot more relaxed when mowing. If I could only keep the freakin skunks out from under my deck... SignatureLynne > on Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:43:54 GMT, Cheryl > <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > prefer with topsoil and grass seed. We haven't had a bunny nest > in 2 years now, and I'm a lot more relaxed when mowing. Ok, well, I never see them before there are babies, so that's out. I don't have dogs (darnnit) so that's out. I like your idea to fill in the preferred areas with topsoil - that's doable! Thanks. Though this year I found fur tufts and a small dugout in my flower garden. That's ok, I don't mow there. But I'd rather they just go somewhere else. > If I could only keep the freakin skunks out from under my > deck... I hope you can too! I haven't seen any of those here, though I smell them from time to time. SignatureCheryl > on Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:43:54 GMT, Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > If I could only keep the freakin skunks out from under my deck... Lynne Cajun powder or tobacco dust would do it on Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:17:41 GMT, "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > Lynne Cajun powder or tobacco dust would do it I'll give it a try! It's not like I can trap and release the little stinkers. SignatureLynne On 8 Jun, 01:56, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:39:50 -0700, sheelagh > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yes, you are right. They make a terrible noise:o( And, Yes, you should have intervened IMHO. You can't take the hunting out of the cat, but you can take the misery out of the prey. I have done exactly the same thing when our own cats hunt in the fields around us- the difference between us is that I cooked what they caught & made them eat it. Some might think this is wrong, but I feel it was the right thing to do. If a cat is going to hunt, the least they can do is respect the prey they kill as it were..... S:o) on Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:36:06 GMT, sheelagh <sheelagh_madden@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > If a cat is going to hunt, the least they can > do is respect the prey they kill as it were..... Cooking their prey and feeding it to them is a great idea! My last pair of cats were both great hunters. One ate everything he caught (birds and rodents) the other just played with them, which was akin to torture. I helped a few birds along to their final destination, but I just don't have the stomach for it. Now the only hunter I have is one of my dogs, and thankfully she'll kill and consume her prizes. SignatureLynne "sheelagh" <sheelagh_madden@hotmail.co.uk> <snipped> > I can only pray that Matthew is correct. I couldn't bare the thought > that someone would intentionally listen that row & ignore it, knowing > that there were small kittens in their care. It is almost beyond > belief or credibility when you think about it?!! > S. I can almost guarantee he was Sheelagh the person has not post any where else since than and only stuck around for an hour The post came from Staten island the guy was probably at the library or at an internet cafe and decide to screw with some people. To get a rise out of all of us which he did just like the other jackass last week who said he was going on vacation but posted a couple of days later in his usually hang outs Ps check your email > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ps check your email I think so as well. Done it, & thank you too.. S;o) > On 5 Jun, 02:31, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > > why the f.ck did you not get your lazy arse out of your bed and bother > to go and check onthe kittens when you heard all this commotion? You're asking this of someone who wouldn't let their pets into their home? How stupid are you? Oh yeah - you're English. I understand. > jesus > christ! you could have saved this poor thing from a very painful [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > bookie > > On 5 Jun, 02:31, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How stupid are you? Oh yeah - you're English. I understand. Actually I haven't checked the statistics since the early 90s, but I believe the UK(as does most of the 'first world' nations) has a very good literacy rating. I think the US' rating was 50-60 percent, and the other 'democracies'(the UK/Ireland/New Zealand/Australia/Japan/South Korea) were at least 80 percent. Regardless of whether they're a troll or not, the person who first posted this thread is the stupid one we should be insulting. Because either way, they're a sick freak. > > On 5 Jun, 02:31, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > How stupid are you? Oh yeah - you're English. I understand. Excuse me Fred, If you want to trade insults then pick on something that won't start another turf war off please? There are quite a few people that post here who are English & haven't risen to your bait in the last couple of weeks. I would be grateful if you didn't generalise please? Thank you S. > > On 5 Jun, 02:31, Steph...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - eh? what exactly do you mean by this pointless and rude posting? |
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