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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2007Sick? Kitten pisses herself, doesn't clean self
She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 weeks old now. She sometimes uses the litter box, most often the floor. The kitten should be checked by a vet if she hasn't been already. Gail > She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 > weeks old now. She sometimes uses the litter box, most often the > floor. >The kitten should be checked by a vet if she hasn't been already. >Gail I'm trying to arrange that. >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 >> weeks old now. She sometimes uses the litter box, most often the >> floor. > She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 > weeks old now. She sometimes uses the litter box, most often the > floor. whatever you do do, please reemember this is not her fault and she is not dong it to be naughty, she just does not know any better. whenever she is abuot to 'go' onthe floor you coudl always catch her in time, and transfer her swiftly, but gently, to the nearest litter box, how many boxes do you have aroudn the house? many have more than one so she is always close by one as she may not be abel to get to oen in time. what are the general domestic circumstances? are there other cats there with you? if so is she scared of them or do they get along? to help teach her to clean herself you could use a small amount of cotton wool dipped in WARM water (not hot or just cold) and wipe her with it aruond her bottom area, gently of course, this may go some way to replicate the feelgin of her mothers tongue cleaning her which woudl have been the case had she had her mummy around. poor little thing, she must be very confused without her mummy there to look after her adn show her what is what, PLEASE do not get cross at her or shout or get angry, this poor little scrap does not know what to do as no one has shown her and if she is shouted at or senses that you are angry with her she will just get stressed and probably pee and poo herself more out of fear, so please be very patient with this poor helpless little mite, she needs you to take good care of her right now. a trip to the vet for advice might also be a good idea, please keep us posted, bookie >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >please keep us posted, bookie I foster cats for the local Humane Society. I never get angry at them, but this is new to me. EVery other kitten cleaned herself or himself. I tried the cotton wool. I'm trying to arrange a trip to the vets. Goliath and Barbie are the 6 week olds. They are alone in a small room and have 2 litter boxes. I posted their pictures a couple of weeks back in a.b.pictures.animals > I foster cats for the local Humane Society. Then what the f.ck are you doing here instead of making a goddamned appointment for the kitten at a vet? I have read your posts for years, and thought better of you. Do you have some sort of dementia or something? >> I foster cats for the local Humane Society. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Do you have some sort of dementia or something? I'll ignore your rudeness, maybe you have a problem. I can't make an appointment. The Humane Society has to do it. Their cat. > >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - sorry, you just never know, havgin read abuot some woman who posted here a few weeks back saying that here paryner would rub the nose of her old cat in it's urine whenit had accidents (as old cats tend to) and shout at it, i just never know! i used to think all people were understanding of when kitties have accidents of the type you are describing with your kitten and knew that it is not the cats fault and a sign that something is wrong (as you obviiously have done) but after reading some of the posts and stories on here my faith in humans is diminishing fast. sad isn't it? sorry for gettign the wrong end of the stick, glad i was wrong i fact bookie On May 28, 9:18 pm, John Ross Mc Master <pussy...@cathouse.meow> wrote: > She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 > weeks old now. She sometimes uses the litter box, most often the > floor. Others have given you good specifics. In addition to washing her as her mother would have, with the cotton wool, and watching for when she's about to go and taking her to the litter box then, it's also important to take her to the litter box about 10-15 minutes after she eats. Her mother would have done that, and will help her to get the idea. I have a cat who is just shy of fourteen now, who although four months old when I got her was for a variety of reasons developmentally delayed. Her health problems had effectively prevented her from learning to clean herself properly. Once the main causes of her health problems were identified and dealt with, daily gentle bathing helped her get the idea. When I subsequently had a kitten who was younger than the rest of her litter and weaned by mama too young, Retsina adopted her, and in addition to nursing her, taught her to clean herself and use the litter box. None of this is exactly parallel to your kitty's situation, but I think it shows that, if you're patient and persistent, being separated from mama too young doesn't mean she can't learn these basic cat skills. Lis > She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 > weeks old now. She sometimes uses the litter box, most often the > floor. I'm certainly no expert, but aren't these things instinctive? I got my cat about this same age. The extent of her cat litter training with me was to pick her up after she had pissed on a plastic grocery bag and place her in the litter box - she had only been with me a couple of hours at that point and apparently all she needed to know that there was a more appropriate place to go. As for cleaning, she never needed any help from me. I just assumed all this was natural behavior in most cats. >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I just assumed all this was natural behavior in most cats. Just like I assumed it might be natural behavior for fullgrown men to use a verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate elimination issues. Your mothers are rolling over in their graves and I am disgusted. Reminds me of when my MIL said, about a cat, "she sh.t on the bed." She, and you, might as well have spent a morning making yourselves banners saying "Ignorant Dickheads" and strapping them on. And I am no Grammar Pussy. "She pisses herself" etc is just unnecessary crudeness and makes me think neither one of you a.sholes should have a cat. Just my 2 cents. > >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - yes I agree, the language used was rather crude and unnecessary >> >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >> >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >yes I agree, the language used was rather crude and unnecessary I managed to get an appointment for her at a vets on Thursday. Really good vet too, best in town. Wish Barbie all the best. > I managed to get an appointment for her at a vets on Thursday. Really > good vet too, best in town. Wish Barbie all the best. Yay, John. Now that sounds much more like you. > > >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > > >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I beg to differ. I think we all use it occasionally. S;o) >> > >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >> > >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >S;o) The kitten pissed on her legs, bottom and belly. She cetainly did piss herself. She also vomited the last 3 of 4 days. And unlike her brother she does not groom herself. I have a vet appointment at 2PM and hope to get to the bottom of this. I hope it's not panleuk. > I have a vet appointment at 2PM and hope > to get to the bottom of this. I hope it's not panleuk. I have a really bad feeling about the whole thing, as I think you do. Hope she is okay. > On 31 May 2007 07:36:48 -0700, sheelagh > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh dear. It doesn't sound very promising. I wasn't trying to make light of the situation, merely pointing out that I am guilty of the same offence sometimes. I am ever so sorry to hear that she is so poorly & wish you all well @ your appointment today. It would be tragic to hear this is the case, but you are doing the right thing by eliminating by process. I look forward to hearing what your vet thinks when you have time to let us know too, Best wishes, sheelagh >>>She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >>>learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate elimination > issues. Oh - I am so sorry. "Pissed" is a synonym for "urinated" or if you insist on something less technical sounding "went wee-wee". > Your mothers are rolling over in their graves and I am disgusted. No, not at all. > Reminds me of when my MIL said, about a cat, "she sh.t on the bed." Oh nooooo - and yet you're repeating the bad word, aren't you? > She, and you, might as well have spent a morning making yourselves banners > saying "Ignorant Dickheads" and strapping them on. LOL - now you're calling me and your MIL "ignorant dickheads" because we use non-technical terms like "piss" and "sh.t"? Is your post supposed to be satirical? > And I am no Grammar Pussy. That's good - you're just trying to be ironic, aren't you? > "She pisses herself" etc is just unnecessary crudeness and makes me think > neither one of you a.sholes should have a cat. Hmm - you've used "sh.t", "dickheads", "pussy" and "a.sholes" in your post and you're calling me "unnecessarily crude"? Are you a troll? > Just my 2 cents. >> Just like I assumed it might be natural behavior for fullgrown men to use >> a verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate >> elimination issues. > > Oh - I am so sorry. "Pissed" is a synonym for "urinated" or if you insist > on something less technical sounding "went wee-wee". Yes, Fred, I know that. >> Your mothers are rolling over in their graves and I am disgusted. > > No, not at all. Of course not YOUR mother. I can see her now. "I'll have dinner in a minute, Fred Sr, Fred Jr. pissed hisself." lol >>>Just like I assumed it might be natural behavior for fullgrown men to use >>>a verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "I'll have dinner in a minute, Fred Sr, Fred Jr. pissed > hisself." Wow - it's strange that most of your posts are not trollish, but you have no problem throwing around vulgarities when you replied earlier to me. Why did you snip the part where I pointed out that you used terms like "dickhead", "a.shole" and "pussy"? It's because you could not bear to admit your own hypocrisy. "Piss" is nowhere near as bad as some of the words you used in reply to me, especially in the context that I used it. You are mentally unbalanced. > lol >>>>Just like I assumed it might be natural behavior for fullgrown men to >>>>use a verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> lol :) Do you feel better now, Fred? Since you asked, try this on for size, you well-balanced paragon of sanity, you: "A pile of sh.t" has a decidedly different tone than "Fred sh.t his pants, YEEEHAW." "Dickhead," "a.shole," and "Pussy," along with "Assbreath," "Smegmaface," and "Asswipe," among others, are time-honored nouns that are used to describe, for example, someone like you. Using "sh.t" or "piss" as a verb or as a literal noun is an entirely different thing. I am so embarrassed for you. Even John knows his. The difference? The vulgarity in the nouns serves to underscore the utterers disgust with the subject of the tirade. Conversely, when nobody is angry or disgusted, to say "Duh cat pisses herself" just sounds like single-eyebrowed, inbred, greasy-lipped, walleyed ignorance. In the context of a post about a cat who is exibiting inappropriate elimination, to say that the cat "wet herself" or "urinated where she sat" would have been much more appropriate. Anything else? >>>>>Just like I assumed it might be natural behavior for fullgrown men to >>>>>use a verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > :) Do you feel better now, Fred? I feel fine, do you? > Since you asked, try this on for size, you well-balanced paragon of sanity, > you: > > "A pile of sh.t" has a decidedly different tone than "Fred sh.t his pants, > YEEEHAW." Both of which have a decidely different tone from "my cat pissed on the floor once". Remember? That's what you got your panties in such a twist about to begin with. 1: You're using the term "sh.t", which is definitely more vulgar than "piss". What term for urination would you prefer I use? 2: You're not talking about a real life situation anymore as I was. My cat did PISS on the floor. There is no "pile of sh.t" except for the figurative one in your lap right now. 3: You've used MUCH more vulgar language in this thread than I have. > "Dickhead," "a.shole," and "Pussy," along with "Assbreath," "Smegmaface," > and "Asswipe," among others, are time-honored nouns No, they're not - certainly not among people who express some sort of pseudo-righteous indignation about another person describing a natural bodily function of their pet with the worth "pissed". If you think that's true, try using such terms in polite company and see what kind of reaction you get compared to describing your pets "inappropriate elimination" as "pissing". > that are used to > describe, for example, someone like you. Grow up. > Using "sh.t" or "piss" as a verb or as a literal noun is an entirely > different thing. Of course. It's a description of a natural bodily function. It's not used as a puerile antagonistic pejorative. > I am so embarrassed for you. You should be embarrassed for yourself. > Even John knows his. > > The difference? The vulgarity in the nouns serves to underscore the utterers > disgust with the subject of the tirade. The only tirade here is yours. Remember how you called me an "ignorant dickhead" and an "a.shole"? Scroll up a bit and see a few more terms you threw out. "Piss" is a commonly accepted slang for urination. > Conversely, when nobody is angry or disgusted, to say "Duh cat pisses > herself" > just sounds like single-eyebrowed, inbred, greasy-lipped, walleyed > ignorance. Sorry, but I disagree and I think any rational person would. > In the context of a post about a cat who is exibiting inappropriate > elimination, > to say that the cat "wet herself" or "urinated where she sat" would have > been > much more appropriate. I disagree. For one thing - I didn't say my cat "pissed herself". I said she pissed on a plastic bag. Get over it. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with using the term "pissed" instead of a euphemism like "wet" or a more prudish term like "urination". > Anything else? No. I'm done with your trollish nonsense. > >>>>>Just like I assumed it might be natural behavior for fullgrown men to > >>>>>use a verb other than "pissed" to describe a cat with inappropriate [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > > - Show quoted text - not that i particualrly want to get invlved in this farcical argument but.... wehen someone says that "such-and-such pissed onthe carpet" it makes it sounds as though it was an active decision on their part to empty their bladder all over the furnishings, as opposed to the actual scenario witrh regards to this poor kitten (which si waht we are really supposed to be discussing) who involuntarily urinated on the carpet, or posisbly just did not knwo any better. using the term 'pissed on' almost makes it sound liek a premeditated act of malice when the perpetrator should have known better and had the capacity and abillity to do otherwise and use the appropriate toileting facilities. i think that is what the problem with this particular word is about; the image it conjures up bookie > not that i particualrly want to get invlved in this farcical argument > but.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > i think that is what the problem with this particular word is about; > the image it conjures up Thanks for the rational discourse. For me, the term doesn't conjure up anything malicious. In my cats case, she was in a new environment and didn't know the appropriate palce to go. AFAIK, she had never been exposed to a litter box. > bookie >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >I just assumed all this was natural behavior in most cats. I also assumed it was instinctive until I learned it was taught. > >> She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > >> learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No, it is taught by the mother. Until around 6ish weeks of age,. the mother deals with any waste by clearing it up herself, then once she/ he is on to solids, then the mother will show them the cat litter, what it's use is for, & how y to use it effectively, right down to how to dig and cover it for you. If she has missed out on this somewhere along the line, you will have to take her mothers place and try to help out with that. the instructions that Lis gave you are all that you need to know. Just be there with the potty around 5- 10 Min's after she has eaten, & have several around the house too, so it is never too far for her to go to find it. I found that warm wet unscented baby wipes are very good for the job of cleaning her up, & it also makes her feel like mummy is cleaning her. If you have other cats, hopefully she will emulate them as much as possible. In a worst case scenario, you will simply have to show her how yourself.. Don't give up though.... you will get there if you persevere. Good Luck & let us kno0w how the appointment went please? Ta! S:o) > > She was separated from her mother at a very young age and never > > learned to clean herself. How can I teach her this? She is maybe 6 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I just assumed all this was natural behavior in most cats. only if they have already been taught the basics by their mummy cat, this chaps kitten obviously hasn't
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