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How do other cat's & Humans cope with the summer heat & climates
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sheelagh - 24 May 2007 11:41 GMT We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other than that, the rest of the windows in our house have to remain closed for fear of the cats getting out, & either lost, hurt or never seen again.. I know that some of you live in far hotter climates than we do in the summer........
(we get up to around 30-32degrees over here & the humidity is terrible too.
How does everyone else cope with the heat, & do your cats feel the same way about the heat as we do, or do they seem unperturbed about it all? I ask this question because I really don't know. There are some days when they seem to worship the sun, & others were they sit in thier housing rather than take in another ray of it @ all...
This is the 1st summer that I have considered air conditioning, for several reasons. Paul has heart problems that are exacerbated by the heat, & if the pussy cats feel the same way, it seems sensible to get a portable conditioning unit.....They are only about £100, so might well be worth investing it it is for the *right reasons*
I would be interested to hear what other people think regarding cats and heat? TIA S;o)
Joe Canuck - 24 May 2007 12:14 GMT > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > TIA > S;o) My longhaired Ragdoll does the flop on the floor in the heat... no panting but obviously not enjoying the temperatures.
Fire up the A/C and within an hour I notice a difference in her behavior *and* mine. :-D
Wendy - 24 May 2007 12:57 GMT We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other than that, the rest of the windows in our house have to remain closed for fear of the cats getting out, & either lost, hurt or never seen again.. I know that some of you live in far hotter climates than we do in the summer........
(we get up to around 30-32degrees over here & the humidity is terrible too.
How does everyone else cope with the heat, & do your cats feel the same way about the heat as we do, or do they seem unperturbed about it all? I ask this question because I really don't know. There are some days when they seem to worship the sun, & others were they sit in thier housing rather than take in another ray of it @ all...
This is the 1st summer that I have considered air conditioning, for several reasons. Paul has heart problems that are exacerbated by the heat, & if the pussy cats feel the same way, it seems sensible to get a portable conditioning unit.....They are only about £100, so might well be worth investing it it is for the *right reasons*
I would be interested to hear what other people think regarding cats and heat? TIA S;o)
Window screens so you can open the windows and A/C, not at the same time of course
W
sheelagh - 24 May 2007 15:06 GMT > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > W
> Window screens so you can open the windows and A/C, not at the same time of > course Funny/Ironic you should mention the window screens, because that is exactly what prompted me to write this post.
The night before last, I got up at around 4 am to to let Biffy Birman into the extension because it is slightly cooler in there. I had to bring him indoors from his pen, because the silly old Fa*t started tunneling out of it underneath the bars. I felt it was better to bring him indoors, than take my chances on him not getting all of the way out. I thought he would be far safer indoors! Just goes to show how wrong you can be...
Thinking that he was as safe as he could be anywhere, I let him through the door, then bleary eyed Sheelagh went back to bed again. At 8am, I got the alarm call from my son, Luke, to say that everything had been knocked off the window ledge, & also that Biffy was missing too... <headless chicken act, Arghhhh#@?!!>
I went flying around the block to see if I could find him, but there was nothing. I tried once more and included the meadow for good measure because that is where we take him when he is on reins, with the other cats.. but No Biffy to be found anywhere. I packed the kids off to school, then decided to have a mini cup of Tea break ..
(us Brit's tut tut!!)
I figured if he had been gone 4 hours, another 10 minutes wasn't going to make too much difference..Whilst drinking my cuppa, I called him from the patio doors, for the sheer hell of it, in the non existent hope that he might hear me....& blow me if he didn't start shouting back @ me;o) It was more than music to my ears, Lol....
I could hear him, but not quite place him, so I decided to go outside in the garden to see if I could hear better, & there he was..All 15lb of him trying to do a balancing act on the top of the dividing fence(Shhhhhh! He might hear, me, & I don't want to hurt his feelings, but he did look rather like a hippo doing Ballet on the fence, ROFLOL).... This is my ultimate fear. I have been ever so lucky until now, by constantly saying "shut that door, before the cats get out"... even next door's parrot can say it now. I just feel that I had a very narrow lucky escape yesterday, & the very thought of loosing one of them is enough to make me break out in a cold sweat!!?.....
We have central heating for the winter & they all live on radiator beds during the winter, so I was thinking that possibly a mobile air conditioner might be the answer to our problem. I can't say that I'm not worride about the electric bill, because I am. However, if it makes every ones life easier then it has to be worth it. Since I gave up smoking, it is amazing what I can afford to do these days...I can't figure out why the hell I started in the 1st place really....(still we all do silly things, don't we?)
I have Big fat Ragdolly's too Joe, as well as Big Birmans and other chunky cats who all seem to be flagging in the hot weather, & I am all too aware that it is simply going to get worse, not better until @ least October time.....
I have looked around for screens Wendy, but I must be looking in the wrong places, because I can't find any around that will make them to size, to allow us to be able to open the windows when they are indoors, & it is like living in an oven. I let the kids open their upstairs, but not any of the ones downstairs apart from the huge patio one in the living room because that one does have screen cut to size & flush with the window. I couldn't bare the thought of loosing any of them, aside from the fact that none of them are really road savvy & would either be stolen, run over, or hurt like the others have been
Oh Mary, I really do feel for you too. It must be a cracking type of heat that you must endure? I was brought up in Africa, but it doesn't mean that I love the heat!!! I prefer a cold frosty morning any day.....!!
All ideas & 2cents worth appreciated v. much indeed. Thanks, S;o)
MaryL - 25 May 2007 06:08 GMT >Oh Mary, I really do feel for you too. It must be a cracking type of heat that you must endure? I was brought up in Africa, but it doesn't mean that I love the heat!!! I prefer a cold frosty morning any day.....!!
All ideas & 2cents worth appreciated v. much indeed. Thanks, S;o)
It appears from your message that I misled you about the weather here. I meant that I would not want to live here without air conditioning because it is so hot in the summer. However, the weather for about 3/4 of the year is marvelous - long, balmy spring with gorgeous flowers, beautiful fall, only a few days of cold weather in winter. Right now, I have gardenias blooming, and the scent fills the evening air. And everything *is* air conditioned here - my house, car, office, all the stores, etc. I keep the temperature at about 72 degrees, so I certainly have no complaints. I posted some pictures a few years ago to show friends what this area looks like in the spring. I never updated them, but you can view them here: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=4656239&uid=2364916&members=1
This really is a beautiful area and I enjoy all the plants and birds. I have added a sunroom since these pictures were taken, so I have an ideal bird-watching location.
MaryL
MaryL - 24 May 2007 13:38 GMT We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other than that, the rest of the windows in our house have to remain closed for fear of the cats getting out, & either lost, hurt or never seen again.. I know that some of you live in far hotter climates than we do in the summer........
(we get up to around 30-32degrees over here & the humidity is terrible too.
How does everyone else cope with the heat, & do your cats feel the same way about the heat as we do, or do they seem unperturbed about it all? I ask this question because I really don't know. There are some days when they seem to worship the sun, & others were they sit in thier housing rather than take in another ray of it @ all...
This is the 1st summer that I have considered air conditioning, for several reasons. Paul has heart problems that are exacerbated by the heat, & if the pussy cats feel the same way, it seems sensible to get a portable conditioning unit.....They are only about £100, so might well be worth investing it it is for the *right reasons*
I would be interested to hear what other people think regarding cats and heat? TIA S;o)
I live in East Texas and cannot imagine living here without air conditioning. In fact, I keep it fairly cool and also leave the air conditioner on when I take my summer vacation and leave the cats at home (in the care of a pet sitter who comes in twice a day).
Concerning how they feel about air conditioning: Years ago, the air conditioner broke down in an apartment I was renting at the time -- and, of course, it was the hottest time of the year. I had a big box fan that I would carry from room to room with me during that time (in the living room when I was going to be there, in the bedroom at night). I soon noticed that my cat followed the fan, and he would plop down in front of it as soon as I set it down. So, he definitely approved of cooler air!
MaryL
mlbriggs - 24 May 2007 18:35 GMT > they feel about air conditioning: Years ago, the air > conditioner brok TuTu doesn't like air conditioning, but she will stretch out in front of the box fan which I use as an alternative. I just had a new A/C installed. My old one was 23 years old and I felt it was time. It cost double what the one did 23 years ago. MLB
Sherry - 25 May 2007 03:14 GMT On May 24, 7:38 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:
> We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > MaryL Here too. Last year, at this same time, our A/C went out, and the outside temp was around 97 F. We *had* to get a window unit, just to survive until a new heat pump unit could be installed. The cats were very lethargic, and stayed on the tile floor most of the time...stretched out very l-o-o-o-o-ng. I think that's a good indicator whether a cat is uncomfortabley hot. They seem to stretch out as long as they can. And yes, the cats do take advantage of fans. I can't imagine not having A/C.
Sherry
Cheryl - 25 May 2007 04:39 GMT > Here too. Last year, at this same time, our A/C went out, and > the outside temp was around 97 F. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > out as long as they can. And yes, the cats do take advantage of > fans. I can't imagine not having A/C. Mine don't like the heat either but they might have to get used to it, just like me. Next month our energy company is raising the rate by 50%. The summer is where my heat pump uses the most electricity so it might end up being set up much higher than what we're used to.
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barb - 25 May 2007 12:15 GMT Wow, Cheryl, Electric is going up 50%? Where do you live?
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
sheelagh - 25 May 2007 13:52 GMT > Wow, Cheryl, Electric is going up 50%? Where do you live? > > -- > Barb > Of course I don't look busy, > I did it right the first time. It is the same in the UK. Our bills have risen by a very similar amount. All of our energy bills have doubled!! (electricity & gas too) S;o)
Cheryl - 25 May 2007 18:11 GMT > Wow, Cheryl, Electric is going up 50%? Where do you live? Maryland.
This is why:
"Maryland State legislators originally froze utility rates in 1994 in hopes of creating a deregulated and competitive energy market for customers. However, few competitors ever came even as the costs for electricity rose dramatically, and now the freezes have ended."
http://www.gazette.net/stories/052407/prinnew135049_32349.shtml
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sheelagh - 25 May 2007 18:45 GMT > > Wow, Cheryl, Electric is going up 50%? Where do you live? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Cheryl Can I smell an election due anytime now?
More or less the same thing happened in the UK too, but the difference was that there were plenty of takers, but it was like a Price Fixing war, but to the benefit of the suppliers not the consumers....
We have also recently had petrol scares (fear of running out), which prompted every single car user to go out & try & fill thier cars up, just in case of an emergency..
So, of course, every single garage ran out of petrol on a daily basis;that & one of the petroleum stores going up in flames too! It was a Huge explosion & there wasn't even enough crude oil to make aviation fuel, so even planes were grounded & there was no petrol to travel..all utility bills have doubled (excluding phone lines) which have huge competition & are offering free phone calls with Internet packages.. What a mad world we live in...
It is just as well that we all have cats to keep us sane;o) S;o)
sheelagh - 25 May 2007 15:51 GMT > > Here too. Last year, at this same time, our A/C went out, and > > the outside temp was around 97 F. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > Cheryl This is a quote from the UK to have air conditioning fitted. I think you would be horrified if you saw it, so I thought I would let you see the price that we have to pay if you wish to have it over here. The first quote is for a portable...
http://www.allergymatters.com/acatalog/Delonghi_NF170_air_condtioner.html The portable option is £250 ($500)
And this one is for a fitted unit
http://www.rapidheatbusters.co.uk/products.asp?template=3&pageNum=1&navState=coo ling&fullSpec=yes&pageData=106
£1300($2600) A considerable amount of money really, but I guess that you only have to pay that once?
I have a feeling that we are going to have to start off on the portable one first, then start saving towards a better one, & keep the portable in reserve , or use it in other parts of the house.
The fuel debate is an interesting one though, because I think that we pay a LOT more for fuel bills over here, than you do in the States. A regular quarterly electric bill for us would be around £300. How does that compare with all of you? All of our fuel reserves in the North Sea are used up now, so we have to import it from all over the world, but mostly Russia I think.
A litre of petrol is about £1 or so now, making it around £5 ($10) per gallon. It is a hell of a lot of money really
Sherry - 26 May 2007 00:05 GMT > > > Here too. Last year, at this same time, our A/C went out, and > > > the outside temp was around 97 F. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh my. That is outrageous for gasoline. We're having fits over $3.35 a gallon right now. What really makes me angry is that as a mineral rights owner I'm not getting any more for royalties on the producing wells than I was many years ago. Our house is about 2500 s.f., with a heat pump/AC unit that we keep on 72 degrees. It's total electric, which means everything, even the water pumped out of the well, is dependent on electricity. Our bill is about $140 a month. (I'm sorry, I don't know how to convert that)
Sherry
Matthew - 26 May 2007 00:22 GMT On May 25, 9:51 am, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25 May, 04:39, Cheryl <jlhsha...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh my. That is outrageous for gasoline. We're having fits over $3.35 a gallon right now. What really makes me angry is that as a mineral rights owner I'm not getting any more for royalties on the producing wells than I was many years ago. Our house is about 2500 s.f., with a heat pump/AC unit that we keep on 72 degrees. It's total electric, which means everything, even the water pumped out of the well, is dependent on electricity. Our bill is about $140 a month. (I'm sorry, I don't know how to convert that)
Sherry
Makes me glad I installed solar power panels and take advantage of the hot Florida sun. I t ends up the electric company pays us back it is only a couple dollars a month but after the hurricanes it was worth it. I should have never wrote that now I just jinxed myself
Sherry - 26 May 2007 01:23 GMT > On May 25, 9:51 am, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > - Show quoted text - There's a similar program here, only it uses wind power. That's one thing Oklahoma has plenty of. There's hardly a day when the wind isn't blowing at least 20 mph.
Sherry
sheelagh - 26 May 2007 14:16 GMT > > "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I wish that our own government would think about sustained renewable energy over here. I worry so much about nuclear power plants, & the effect the have, as well as the worry of where they dump thier waste, so much. I know that in our are of the UK, they are starting to install some wind turbines in the north sea. It will be interesting to see how this works for us. S;o)
Joe Canuck - 26 May 2007 01:45 GMT > On May 25, 9:51 am, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> On 25 May, 04:39, Cheryl <jlhsha...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > couple dollars a month but after the hurricanes it was worth it. I should > have never wrote that now I just jinxed myself Not to worry, you jinxed yourself long ago. :-D
sheelagh - 26 May 2007 14:12 GMT > On May 25, 9:51 am, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What as brilliant Idea! I haven't got a a clue how you would go about finding them or installing them, but I am sure if I did a google, it wouldn't take too long to find out. again, I wonder what the initial expense would be to install them, & also of how much benefit they would be to us?
with every summer getting hotter and hotter, I think it might be the way to go over here. I was watching a nature program last night which is also a interactive program, as well as a documentary too. It stated that the last year has been the hottest ever recorded since records began several hundreds of years ago, & the experts predict that it will only become hotter still. This year our spring started 2weeks earlier than last year, & 3weeks earlier than the year before. they took this guide by measuring when the &spotted ladybird was fist seen, the hawthorn started flowering, butterflies appeared & some birds were seen nesting too... Given that, I think solar power has to be the way to go. I am certainly going to look into it....
S;o)
Matthew - 26 May 2007 16:40 GMT On 26 May, 00:22, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What as brilliant Idea! I haven't got a a clue how you would go about finding them or installing them, but I am sure if I did a google, it wouldn't take too long to find out. again, I wonder what the initial expense would be to install them, & also of how much benefit they would be to us?
with every summer getting hotter and hotter, I think it might be the way to go over here. I was watching a nature program last night which is also a interactive program, as well as a documentary too. It stated that the last year has been the hottest ever recorded since records began several hundreds of years ago, & the experts predict that it will only become hotter still. This year our spring started 2weeks earlier than last year, & 3weeks earlier than the year before. they took this guide by measuring when the &spotted ladybird was fist seen, the hawthorn started flowering, butterflies appeared & some birds were seen nesting too... Given that, I think solar power has to be the way to go. I am certainly going to look into it....
S;o)
Sheelagh it was over $16,000 to have mine installed but they store enough power to the run everything in the house for 7 to 8 days
sheelagh - 26 May 2007 13:59 GMT > > > > Here too. Last year, at this same time, our A/C went out, and > > > > the outside temp was around 97 F. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - OMG! I go on around $2 to the £1, which makes your petroleum(gasoline) around £1.70 compared to our £5 per gallon
The electricity converts to around £210 per quarter compared to our £350ish per quarter. Believe me, you are far better off regarding fuel & utilitie bills, but then again, you produce it, so I suppose it makes a difference. All of ours is imported from other countries.. There are most definately some downsides living on an island. Anything that we don't extract or grow has to be imported....
The upside to living on an island with regard to pets, is that we dont have Rabies (touch wood, Yet!!) I have seen rabies abroad, & it looks like a terrible disease. I would like to think that we would never get it, but that would be a naive thing to think. With the new channel tunnel to France, & people breaking the the law regarding bringing pets in to the UK, It is more a question of time than hope, sadly.
I think that the reason people break the law is because of our quarantine laws. If you bring an animal in to the UK from a country that has Rabies, you are required by law to have your pet quarantined for 6 months. I imagine that some people simply can't afford the expense of doing this. It does cost a fortune, & if they can't really afford to do that, or be parted from their beloved pet, they find ways to get them into the UK. In the end, someone will import rabies, all be it inadvertently.
We have Pet passports now over here. With a pet passport, you can take your pet where you want to really, and as long as you keep all of thier shots up to date, then you may take your pet where you wish to. Do you have any similar schemes in the USA?
S;o)
sheelagh - 25 May 2007 14:50 GMT On 24 May, 13:38, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:
> We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > MaryL Wow...!! I must say that you have a very beautiful home & garden too.
Our house is a typical English detached house with double garage. Nothing great about it at all, however, we are in the throes of digging the back garden up, landscaping it & putting new pens up for the cats out the back too. I look forward to being able to having a proper garden again, with fragrant flowers & the "I want to be here, factor".I'm afraid that I am famous in the village for carrying my trowel & shears around when I take the cats for a walk. That way, if I see something I like the look of, I either take a cutting or a root, to be potted until we get to the stage where we can plant them out there.
Here are few photos that I already had of the house as we started the whole project. We had to have over 40 conifers removed(by law, they can not exceed 2 meters, & these were over 40' high!!) Then we had the extension fitted, & we also started putting a fence around 3/4 of the garden(we have a wall on the 4th side), & building raised flower beds, laying fresh turf & then putting the new pens up for the cats- this was all last summer
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/OurHomeTheStartOfTheGarden
We still have a long way to go, & It is my belief that we must be able to find someone who is willing to make the screens for our windows, even if they are spring loaded mosquito netting to keep them indoors. It is something that has not available here because there has never been the need. Nevertheless, it is time that we did all start thinking about it, because the mosquitoes have arrived, the same as we need air conditioning now, that we never had the need of before now too! S;o)
MaryL - 25 May 2007 16:28 GMT On 24 May, 13:38, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:
> We still have a long way to go, & It is my belief that we must be able to find someone who is willing to make the screens for our windows, even if they are spring loaded mosquito netting to keep them indoors. It is something that has not available here because there has never been the need. Nevertheless, it is time that we did all start thinking about it, because the mosquitoes have arrived, the same as we need air conditioning now, that we never had the need of before now too! S;o)
You are going to have a very nice garden. What are the bright blue flowers shown in one of your pictures.
MaryL
Lis - 24 May 2007 14:21 GMT > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > a portable conditioning unit.....They are only about £100, so might > well be worth investing it it is for the *right reasons* Portable units generally aren't as effective as window units. Look at window units, see if you can swing one or two of them.
> I would be interested to hear what other people think regarding cats > and heat? > TIA > S;o) My cats have access to my basement, which averages 15F cooler than the ground floor. They spend a fair amount of time there during the day in the summer, but they also spend some time lying in the sun.
I have window A/C units in my bedroom and office, and the cats are happy to be in the air-conditioned rooms on hot days. Sometimes, when I've been in the office and haven't turned on the bedroom A/C, my Maine Coon, Aquavit, has come in and made a racket until I got up and followed her--to the bedroom A/C. There's no mistaking her intentions-- she wanted to be in the bedroom, and she knew perfectly well the noisy window thing had the power to make it comfortable in there!
Lis
sheelagh - 24 May 2007 15:40 GMT > > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - A/C is still a very new thing over here in the UK. I don't mean that there isn't any; I mean that I don't know any person who actually has A/C fitted in their house. The only places that I can think of that does have it, are shops and shopping centers ect.(Mall's?)......
As a child, we had it fitted in Africa, so I can remember what a difference it made, but I don't think I have even actually ever seen it for sale anywhere, other than the mobile A/C units. You can pick one of those up @ a DIY store. I would have to google to find out where the nearest unit fitters are, & what the price difference would be too. If it is only a matter of a bit more money, then I would opt for that, but if it was far too pricey, then I would settle for the mobile one, that can be moved if there was a need to, out of the living room....
And I would have screens put in upstairs once I can find out where the heck I can get some made up from someone who knows how to make them to size. Having said that, we have just had UPVC windows fitted all over the house! Would this be a problem if we do find someone who could make them for me? I was wondering how I could fix them in so that they are secure? Idea's all welcomed, because I have been pondering for about 4 months on this one & have no real answers yet.. I have even wondered whether it might be an idea to try alt.DIY to see if someone there could answer this question? I am trying here first, because we all have cats, so who better to know if this problem could be skirted around?
I wish we had a basement Lis. Unfortunately, over here that is a very rare thing to have in the UK actually. Most of the houses over here are simple 2 story houses. The only places that might have basements are in places like London, Manchester & the like of those cities, when the Victorians had the cooks, butler ect, to tend their houses for them & had several storys to their homes back then. These days, they have all been split up, & people have made the story's into flats, so they are all parted now by the vast majority. I have thought about having laminated flooring put down in the living room, so that it is slightly cooler for them to flop down on. I just wondered if it is cold in the winter though?. If it is better than carpet, I would most definately consider clearing the old carpet out &doing it, because as soon as the new pens arrive, then I am ripping the living room out & starting all over again...
Thanks for all of your comments. There is nothing like testimonials to sell an idea when you know that the person advising you is going on experience because they have been through it too. S;o)
Lis - 24 May 2007 19:41 GMT > > > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > > > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > mobile one, that can be moved if there was a need to, out of the > living room.... Here, the basic choices are window units or central air--much, probably most, new construction has central air. Older houses, people buy window units. You CAN have what's essentially a window unit permanently installed by poking a hole in the wall of the building, but in most cases that's an awful lot of expense and trouble for what's still essentially a window unit and not central air. And people would pay someone to install a window unit only if they have reached the age/state of health where they and their friends cannot lift it into place and secure it themselves. I'm most likely going to put mine in this weekend, with one friend helping.
Portable units exist, but they're substantially less effective than window units. Not many people buy them unless they're absolutely strapped for cash and must have something RIGHT NOW or collapse.
I can see that the difference in the presence/absence of air conditioning is because in the UK summers warm enough to make it worthwhile were a rarity until recently, while they're SOP for nearly the whole of North America and have been as long as anyone's been keeping records. I'm very surprised, though, that it's cropping up initially as portable units, rather than window units. Is this a difference in the windows (see discussion of screens below), that makes window units impractical?
> And I would have screens put in upstairs once I can find out where the > heck I can get some made up from someone who knows how to make them to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > because we all have cats, so who better to know if this problem could > be skirted around? Here, the idea that you bought and installed/had installed windows WITH NO SCREENS is just--mind-boggling. I've heard it before, from UK science fiction fans, but it's still like a glimpse into an alternate universe. We have flies, and mosquitoes, and, depending on what part of North America: horseflies, no-see-ums, ticks, etc.... Many of them bite. We have screens; otherwise we couldn't open the windows in the summer. I have no idea about how practical it might be to retrofit screens to windows that weren't intended for them; it's hard to imagine such a thing.
I remember one long, knock-down-drag-out fight on rec.arts.sf.fandom, in which the underlying misunderstanding was eventually revealed to be the conflicting assumptions about window screens: North Americans took their presence for granted, while the Europeans took their NON- existence for granted...
> I wish we had a basement Lis. Unfortunately, over here that is a very > rare thing to have in the UK actually. Most of the houses over here [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > soon as the new pens arrive, then I am ripping the living room out & > starting all over again... Yeah, I know basements are much rarer over there than here--for some values of "here!" I'm in New England, where a basement is a standard thing; no basement, i.e., "slab construction" exists for some industrial purposes, but otherwise it's unheard-of to have a building without a below-ground level. In addition to being the foundation, it's where the furnace, hot water tank, etc., get stashed, and as quite a few British science fiction fans have noticed with some amazement, it's where many US science fiction fans keep libraries of impressive size.:) In some other parts of the US, though, basements are at least as rare as in the UK, because the ground is different, and what counts as sensible construction standards differs greatly. No basements in New Orleans and surrounding areas, for instance, and much of the "Tornado Alley" part of the country has no basements, but storm cellars a short distance _away_ from the house. (Is this relevant to anything? Probably not. You see what happens when I get started.)
Laminated flooring is cooler, yes, colder in the winter, too, but you can put down area rugs, and have an excuse for wearing fuzzy slippers. It's easier on allergies, too, if that's an issue for anyone.
> Thanks for all of your comments. There is nothing like testimonials to > sell an idea when you know that the person advising you is going on > experience because they have been through it too. > S;o)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Always glad to ramble on...:)
Lis
barb - 24 May 2007 15:04 GMT Window screens are the way to go. Most of us in NY have them. Also, air conditioning is a great idea. You will love it and so will the cats. They do not like it too hot. Mine will go out on the deck but remain under the chaise if it's too hot. Apparently that's cooler than being under the umbrella.
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
Spot - 24 May 2007 15:43 GMT If you have a family member with heart problems the best thing you can do is get air conditioning. I'm surprised the doctors haven't insisted on it. My mother has to be in AC when it gets hot or she can't breath and it's a strain on her heart
I also have a tom cat who has a heart murmer and he is miserable and sick if it gets too hot. We keep the AC running in the living room during day and don't turn it off till 8pm in the summer and it it's one of those days in the 90's sometimes it stays on at night. He spends practically his whole summer in that room.
Celeste
We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other than that, the rest of the windows in our house have to remain closed for fear of the cats getting out, & either lost, hurt or never seen again.. I know that some of you live in far hotter climates than we do in the summer........
(we get up to around 30-32degrees over here & the humidity is terrible too.
How does everyone else cope with the heat, & do your cats feel the same way about the heat as we do, or do they seem unperturbed about it all? I ask this question because I really don't know. There are some days when they seem to worship the sun, & others were they sit in thier housing rather than take in another ray of it @ all...
This is the 1st summer that I have considered air conditioning, for several reasons. Paul has heart problems that are exacerbated by the heat, & if the pussy cats feel the same way, it seems sensible to get a portable conditioning unit.....They are only about £100, so might well be worth investing it it is for the *right reasons*
I would be interested to hear what other people think regarding cats and heat? TIA S;o)
sheelagh - 24 May 2007 16:08 GMT > If you have a family member with heart problems the best thing you can do is > get air conditioning. I'm surprised the doctors haven't insisted on it. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > TIA > S;o)
> If you have a family member with heart problems the best thing you can do is > get air conditioning. I'm surprised the doctors haven't insisted on it. > My mother has to be in AC when it gets hot or she can't breath and it's a > strain on her heart Thanks, I thought the same thing too. Unfortunately, the A/C market over here is a very untapped market as yet. I don't know one single person that has A/C yet. (so for all you budding A/C fitter's, It time to come to the UK & tap into that market right now, seriously!!) I agree with you. I did a test one day in town, without telling Paul that I was doing it. I pushed him around in the wheelchair & he was most definately a huge help to him..When we got into A/C area's he was fine, but the moment we left them, his shortness of breath started almost simultaneously.. so that answers that question. Thank you Celeste
The cats are all nodding too by the way, LOL;o) It is far too hot to endure yet another summer of misery. I think I might go off for a little google to see if I can find out the difference between a static unit, or a mobile one, and the benefits and pros & cons ect.. but most of all, whether we can get someone to fit it for us
> I also have a tom cat who has a heart murmur and he is miserable and sick if > it > gets too hot. We keep the AC running in the living room during day and > don't turn it off till 8pm in the summer and it it's one of those days in > the 90's sometimes it stays on at night. He spends practically his whole > summer in that room. Poor old Puddings. I understand how they must feel. Most of our cats are long haired/coated, &you can see that they are miserable in the heat. They all flop down on the kitchen floor, which is the coolest place in the house, on the cushion flooring in there, & drink gallons in really hot/humid weather to make up for the loss of internal fluids!! Poor Puss cats, they need pampering, honestly, they Doooo!! >"o"< S;o)
Spot - 25 May 2007 01:34 GMT We have the old fashion screens that slide side to side in all our windows. I picked them up at walmart for about $7.00 a piece.
You can buy them online at ace hardware
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1298038
Celeste
On 24 May, 15:43, "Spot" <noSPA...@somewhere.net> wrote:
> If you have a family member with heart problems the best thing you can do > is [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > TIA > S;o) On 24 May, 15:43, "Spot" <noSPA...@somewhere.net> wrote:
> If you have a family member with heart problems the best thing you can do > is > get air conditioning. I'm surprised the doctors haven't insisted on it. > My mother has to be in AC when it gets hot or she can't breath and it's a > strain on her heart Thanks, I thought the same thing too. Unfortunately, the A/C market over here is a very untapped market as yet. I don't know one single person that has A/C yet. (so for all you budding A/C fitter's, It time to come to the UK & tap into that market right now, seriously!!) I agree with you. I did a test one day in town, without telling Paul that I was doing it. I pushed him around in the wheelchair & he was most definately a huge help to him..When we got into A/C area's he was fine, but the moment we left them, his shortness of breath started almost simultaneously.. so that answers that question. Thank you Celeste
The cats are all nodding too by the way, LOL;o) It is far too hot to endure yet another summer of misery. I think I might go off for a little google to see if I can find out the difference between a static unit, or a mobile one, and the benefits and pros & cons ect.. but most of all, whether we can get someone to fit it for us
> I also have a tom cat who has a heart murmur and he is miserable and sick > if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the 90's sometimes it stays on at night. He spends practically his whole > summer in that room. Poor old Puddings. I understand how they must feel. Most of our cats are long haired/coated, &you can see that they are miserable in the heat. They all flop down on the kitchen floor, which is the coolest place in the house, on the cushion flooring in there, & drink gallons in really hot/humid weather to make up for the loss of internal fluids!! Poor Puss cats, they need pampering, honestly, they Doooo!! >"o"< S;o)
Annie Wxill - 24 May 2007 19:54 GMT We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. ...How does everyone else cope with the heat, & do your cats feel the same way about the heat as we do, or do they seem unperturbed about it all? ... TIA S;o)
Hi Sheelagh,
You can make a breeze by putting a fan in front of the patio door. It will draw the air in and blow it into the room. You can put additional fans in other places. Just be sure that the fan has a screen in front of the blades and the cats should be fine with them.
When it is hot, we see the "flat cat syndrome" where the cats seem to hug the ground and spread themselves out.
We have air conditioning now. It's expensive, but infinitely more pleasant.
Annie
sheelagh - 25 May 2007 15:20 GMT > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. ...How does [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Annie Same here. Ours simply wilt & flop where they can.
I have been looking @ the cost of air conditioning & the argument of buy portable, or buy fixed unit, that you either put into the wall, or fit onto the wall if you wish to. I was worride that the running was going to be our major problem, however, having looked @ the prices, I now understand why people seem to opt for the portable option!!! An indoor one to fit onto the wall with no need to bash your wall out costs around ?1300 ($2600)!!! A portable one is more in the region of ?250-?800($500-1600).. I don't know about the rest of you, but I think that is rather a lot of money..?!! It seems that the best ones are the fitted ones, but you can get away with using a portable one, which we could alternate between the living room & the bedroom that we have just built for Paul downstairs ( the extension)... I know that it is going to cost money to run it, & I sympathise with Cheryl & her fuel bill hyke too. We have been through the same thing in the last 12 months too. We are used to paying heavily in the winter for heat, so I suppose we are going to have to get used to the same cost in the summer months as well.
Years ago, most people in the UK used to have coal fires, & in the summer months, you would start a stock pile of coal in for the winter months in case you had a short week for instance, so I see this as fairly the same. just another bill that we will get used to in time.. Think how much Paul will love me, & also the pussy cats too...? It has to be worth it ,LOL!! S;o)
James - 25 May 2007 02:42 GMT > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > TIA > S;o) Are you for real? Paul has heart problems but you worry more about your cats than about Paul?
Getting an A/C unit might be cheap but the cost of electricity to run it might kill you. UK might be a bit backwards but I can't believe you guys don't know how to use electric fans.
I'm anti caging but in your case I would suggest you cage your cats at night and open all the windows to let in the cool night air. Use a large box fan at an upstair window as an exhaust fan to blow out the hot air. It also draws in cool air from other open windows and patio door. When outdoor temperature in late morning gets warmer than indoor, close all windows and let the cats out..
sheelagh - 25 May 2007 15:01 GMT > > We have a large patio door in our living room, which we leave open all > > day so that we do get a bit of breeze IF there is any to be had. Other [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text -
> Are you for real? Paul has heart problems but you worry more about > your cats than about Paul? Of course not,Lol...
By the way, Paul thoroughly agree's with you though!
> Getting an A/C unit might be cheap but the cost of electricity to run > it might kill you. UK might be a bit backwards but I can't believe > you guys don't know how to use electric fans. I have a feeling that you could be right about this. We do have oscillating fans over here, & also overhead fans that you fit into the light fittings should you prefer that option, but to be perfectly honest, after going into other people's homes who do have them, crossed with the memory of air conditioning, I would rather stick to the air conditioning for "Everyone's sake".
I also think that you are right about having fans upstairs to shift the stale air out, & putting the cats out @ night so that we can keep the windows and doors open. They won't like it, but they will get used to it... (some of us like to sleep on the bed you see!!;o) S;o) Thanks for that
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