Not to mention a little demented.  Shoving a cat is abusive.

I agree in full with this statement.
How sad.
Sheelagh

Mine sometimes licks her vomit so it might not work.

If the behavior from your partner continues find the cat another home
someplace where he will be treated with respect.  I personally would kick
the SOB out if I lived with him.

Celeste

HOWEDY Adilah,

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You mean 'HOWEDY Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin
Lyin Animal Murdein Punk Thug Coward Active Acute
Chronic Life Long Incurable Mental Cases,' <{}: ~ ( >

INDEED? That's curiHOWES. MOST of the Pathetic
Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal Murdein Punk Thug
Coward Active Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable
Mental Case's critters GOT THE SAME PROBLEM.

Vomittin AIN'T NORMAL, Adilah <{}: ~ ( >

The most common cause of vomittin is anXXXIHOWESNESS.

THAT will REINFORCE any undesirable behavior
by showin the critter he's GOT YOUR ATTENTION.

WON or two of the Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Lyin
Animal Murdein Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic
Life Long Incurable Mental Cases recommended you take your
kat to the veterinary malpracticioner to find HOWET HOWE
COME he's vomitting <{}: ~ ( >

Of curse, hairballs are COMMON amongst HOWER Gang
Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal Murdein Punk
Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic  Life Long Incurable
Mental Cases critters.

Hairballs occur when kats SHED EXXXCESSIVELY
from STRESS and LICK themselves as a self calmin
anXXXIHOWESNESS relief mechanism <{}: ~ ( >

The psychological causes of kats EXXXCESSIVELY shedding
and licking themselves are detailed in The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard's informative Post:

                      Behavioral Dermatology:
          Acral Lick Dermatitis, Psychogenic Alopecia,
               Hyperesthesia, & Related Conditions
                        Vint Virga, DVM,
         Dipl. ACVB Behavioral Medicine for Animals
                  SM Veterinary Healing Arts, Inc.
                       New York / Newport

INDEED.

ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT REPEATABLE
or PREDICTABLE CAN BE TRAINED to do or not
be done NEARLY INSTANTLY, if you know HOWE.

THAT'S HOWE COME HOWER Gang Of  Pathetic
Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal Murdein Punk Thug
Coward Active Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable
Mental Case's critters VOMIT and have HOWEsbreakin
"accidents" AND GET MURDERED by HOWER dog
an kat lover pals,, Adilah <{}: ~ ( >

HOWEsbreakin is a critter's MOST NORMAL NATURAL
INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE behavior from the
age of three weeks, even pryor to bein able to get far enough
away from their nest for humans to notice they're TRYIN to
HOWEsbreak themselves!

HOWE COME then, would a critter HAVE HOWEsbreakin problems?

THEY DON'T.

They sh.t an piss your HOWESES on accHOWENTA
they're anXXXIHOWES or to get your 100% UNDIVIDED
attention, even if that includes a beatin <{}: ~ ( >

ANY "negative" interaction or forced CON-TROLL is
the CAUSE of ALL temperament and behavior and 90%
of heelth problems, Adilah <{}: ~ (  >

Oh, you mean he's TRAININ the kat AFTER the fact, like
turnin on the shock fence after the critter has escaped <{}: ~ ( >

That so?

THAT'S HOWE COME dogs EAT their own sh.t and dogs
and kats GET stress induced auto-immune DIS-EASES like
chronic ear and urinary tract infections, bladder stones and
irritable BHOWEL and THYROID DIS-EASE and learn to
FEAR and HATE their owners and GET "fear of thunder"
and "separation anXXXIHOWESNESS", Adilah <{}: ~ ( >

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

                       A DOG Is A DOG;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                  As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
                    As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
                  As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
             As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
         As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
   PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
           INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
 To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

             You GET The Critter You TRAINED

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
a SPIRITUAL problem, passed on from WON generatiHOWEN
of  abuser to the next, like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in the
stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

         To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL
                      of your parental teachins.

 The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
          Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                       Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
        Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
        Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
        Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion,
        Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change,
        Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                                        And
           Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.

        YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

        It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
           The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
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     "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
                            as separate, not the wise.

           If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

                  The level which is reached by wisdom
                                   is attained
                        through right action as well.

        He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

         "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
         indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

                   What is the use of compulsion then?

                The love and hate which are aroused
                 by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                 do not yield to them.

                       They only obstruct the path," -
                                - Bhagavad Gita,
               adapted by Krishna with permission
               from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
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HOWE COME would a critter lover think ABUSE of
ANY kind is apupriate for ANY critter, other than of
curse, for teachin HOWER Gang Of Pathetic Miserable
Stinkin Lyin Animal Murdein Punk Thug Coward Active
Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable Mental Cases who can
only learn to FEAR doin what they PREFER by using
CONSISTENT EXXXTREME PUNISHMENT, Adilah?

Of curse. The SECRET is CONSISTENT, TIMELY, and
SEVERE PUNISHMENT. OtherWIZE, inconsistent or
inadequate punishment will VARIABLY REINFORCE the
undesireable behaviors, as  Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
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And Horsey Wizard's DEAMONSTRATED RIGHT HERE
in HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
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Naaah, ANGER won't heelp, Adilah. You got to EITHER
LOVE TRUST and RESPECT him UNCONDITIONALLY
or PUNISH HIM CONSISTENTLY and SEVERLY, Adilah.

The CHOICE of curse, is entirely up to you and your EXXXPECTATIONS for
your long term relationship
and of curse, his AND YOUR OWN, physical and
mental heelth <{}: ~ )  >

INDEEDY. That's the SAME EXXXCUSE HOWER Gang
Of  Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal Murdein Punk
Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable
Mental Cases use to JUSTIFY jerking choking shocking
bribing intimidating spraying aversives in eyes and lockin
their pathetic terrified critters in boxes and murdering their
innocent defenseless dumb critters <{}: ~ ( >

LUCKY THING we got alt.support.grief.pet-loss to go to
so we can cry in HOWER beer and pass the cryin towel
and SHARE HOWER unspoken shame, embarrassment
and guilt amongst other like minded Pathetic Miserable
Stinkin Lyin Animal Murdein Punk Thug Coward Active
Acute Chronic Life  Long Incurable Mental Cases <{}'; ~ )  >

Apupriate handlin an trainin AIN'T a matter of OPINION
or PREFERENCE, Adilah, it's a matter of SCIENTIFIC
FACT:

         A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
         School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back In
         The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They Wet The
         Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their Behaviour Would
         Stop, - As If By MAGICK!

The Embry Study:

"While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase
the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on
the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples
of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the
chances of more inappropriate behavior.

Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with
their children about dashing into the street will likely to
have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe
behavior; they reward it."

Source:

"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to Preschoolers by
Parent  Training and Symbolic Modeling for Children: An
Experimental Analysis  in the Natural Environment. Research
Report Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

From: "George von Hilsheimer" <drvonh@earthlink.net>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywizard@mail.com>
Subject: Reward/Punishment

Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:01:22 -0400

Jerry, I was cleaning up some old disks and found the
attached essay of mine on reward/punishment - mostly
anti-punishment.

I didn't find the Biblio, but lets hope its in there somewhere!
I could probably find it in my book, IS THERE A SCIENCE
OF BEHAVIOR as all the references are <1970 - but not on
disk (1967!).

  REWARD/PUNISHMENT

  Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) nearly every learning theory model
involves the use of punishment.  Of course, Skinner has
never, to my knowledge, demonstrated how we escape the
phenomenon that an expected reward not received is
experienced as a punishment and can product extensive
and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966.

  Punishment deters some behavior; however, consistent punishment
is least effective in a long run that includes cessation (Morgan,
1961; Hilgard, 1956; Skinner 1938).  Behaviors punished reappear,
and in the long run the total emission of a punished behavior is
greater than when it is unpunished (Ferster and Skinner, 1957).

   Punishment may enhance the value of an activity and cause it
to be repeated more often (Aronson and Mills, 1959).  As Festinger
put it, "rats and people come to love things for which they have
suffered" (1961).

  Punishment inhibits responding in general, but neither
the intensity or the frequency of punishment are related to
training or to the extinction of a response (Smith et al, 1966).

   Recent research contradicts the point of view that an animal
becomes quiescent and mechanically produces the required response
late in punishment training (Lyman, 1966). Appel and Peterson (1966)
surveyed the punishment literature to conclude that punishment may
be suppressive and confusing, but punishment does not control or
eliminate behavior.

  A mild shock is a more effective stimulus for avoidance learning
than a strong shock.  Animals are generally more responsive during
mild punishment (Johnson and Church, 1965).  Investigation of a
wide range of shock frequencies shows that increase in intensity
is accompanied by an increase in the disruption of learning (Levine,
1966; Skinner, 1958; Hilgard, 1957, Skinner, 1938).

See also:
(Aronson and Mills, 1959).
(Ferster and Skinner, 1957).
(Lyman, 1966).  Appel and Peterson (1966).
(Johnson and Church, 1965).
(Levine, 1966).

  Prolonged shock makes rats less exploratory in new open
fields (McKay, 1965).   Aversive noise is even more destructive
of the effectiveness of the motor system of neurotics  than that
of normal individuals (Jansen  and Hoffman, 1965).

  If a victim's avoidance of punishment causes a large reduction
in the rate of the punishment he will repeat the avoidance more
efficiently than if it does not.  However, when the punishment
rate reverts and is not changed by action the formerly "successful"
victim will much more quickly stop responding than the formerly
"unsuccessful" victim (Herrnstein and Hineline, 1966).

  It seems that reduction in punishment is more effective than
continuing punishment and that changes in rates of punishment
can have as strong or stronger effects than basic reinforcements.

  An action which is first sporadically punished will become
more persistent if it is continually punished (Banks, 1966).

It has been very well established that the more
children are punished for being aggressive by their mothers,
the more aggressive they are in school; the more severely
they are forced to be independent the more dependent they
are.  Particularly when punishment is severe or perceived
as inappropriate, and when it is inconsistently applied (as,
unless the parent is God, it often must be), punishment
tends to confirm the action it is designed to eliminate
(Sears et l, 1953, 57).

 "The unhappy effects of punishment have run like a dismal
thread through our findings.  Mothers who  severely punished
toilet accidents ended up with bed wetting children.  Mothers
who punished dependency to get rid of it had more dependent
children than mothers who did not punish.  Mothers who punished
aggressive behavior severely had more aggressive children than
mothers who punished lightly . . . Harsh physical punishment
was associated with high childhood aggressiveness and with
feeding problems." (1957) (McKay, 1965) (Jansen  and Hoffman,
1965) (Herrnstein and Hineline, 1966)..

  Delinquency and punishment are very highly related (of
delinquents studied 268 were punished as compared with 79
whose 5mothers reasoned with them; 299 were punished as
compared with 50 whose fathers reasoned with them - non
delinquents 169/138 for mothers; 155/109 for fathers (Gluek
and Gluek, 1959).

Punishment may cause improved performance of the
punished action (Hendry, 1963).  Aylon and Azrin (1966b)
have extended earlier animal research to humans to demonstrate
that punishment may acquire discriminative or rewarding properties.

See also: Azrin et al, 1966)
Skinner (1958).
(Morgan, 1961; Hilgard, 1956; Skinner 1938).

                        --------------------

BWEEEAAAHAHAAHAHAAAA!!!

BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

The Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal
Murdein Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic
Life Long Incurable Mental Cases recommended takin
your kat to the vet an GETTIN RID OF your partner.

LikeWIZE <{}: ~  ) >

INDEEDY!: "rubbing his nose in it and saying "NO" very loudly."

Subject: Re: Vomiting cat question

"Spot" <noSPAMme@somewhere.net> wrote in message news:hpO1i.
8209$3B5.4633@trnddc08...

If the behavior from your partner continues find the cat
another home someplace where he will be treated with
respect.  I personally would kick the SOB out if I lived
with him.

"-L." <MonkeySnaps@gmail.com> wrote in message news:
1179131923.193768.11270@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

He's an a.shole.  Never treat any animal this way,
not a cat, not a dog, not ANY animal.  They don't
understand and wuill resent you for doing this.
they can't control where they vomit.

Have your cat checked for renal failure.
Frequent vomiiting is one of the signs.
-L.

"Running Scissors" <runsci@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4647403c
$0$15158$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

"mlbriggs" <mlbriggs@nospam.com> wrote in message news:pan.
2007.05.13.17.35.55.716683@nospam.com...
Maybe you would get better results if he rubbed his own
nose in it.  But he was probably treated that way when he
was a child.   Does he ever read a book?

Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company!

Set DHOWEN together and read The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual and
follow and APPLY the techniques to your kat and each other,
and TEACH IT to your friends and family <{}: ~ )  >

LikeWIZE <{}'; ~  ) >

                          Yours, In Love And Light,
                     I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
                                   Jerry Howe,
          The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                                A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                                  G-R-A-N-D
       Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

                      Sudden Onset Aggressive Behavour? -
         Or HOWE COME I MURDERED My Favorite Dog <{}: - (  >

HOWEDY loz aka aapt news,

"Loz" <eljay@aapt.net.au> wrote in message news:f1jrte$2at
$1@news-02.connect.com.au...

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard DON'T
ARGUE, loz. HE CITES POSTED CASE HISTORIES and
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH DATA to PROVE EVERY THING
HE SEZ <{}: ~ ) >

AND HE DOES IT FOR FREE, to boot <{}: ~ ) >

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard AIN'T
PLAYIN nodoGdameneD GAME, loz.

This is LIFE OR DEATH, loz.

DOGS DIE from the ABUSE taught by veterinary malpracticioners,
university trained
behaviorists and professional dog trainers. And what's more
important, EVERY THING we do to HOWER dogs, APPLIES
EQUALLY, to HOWER CHILDREN.

THAT'S HOWE COME PARENTS FEAR and HATE The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard even more than the professionalt
trainers and veterinary ethologists whom HE HAS IDENTIFIED
EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED <{}: ~ ( >

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard has
DERRANGED the so called EXXXPERTS by USING THEIR
OWN METHODS just like HOWE you been TAUGHT to do
to your dogs.

They're TWEAKIN to the MAAAXXX, loz, JUST LIKE YOUR
DOGS tearin at each other's throats <{}: ~ ) >

When The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard first started
postin here abHOWETS nearly 8 years ago, HE EXXXPECTED
it would take maybe three months to EDUCATE these pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin dog abusin punk thug coward ignorameHOWESES
<{}': ~ )  >

HOWEver, after a couple YEARS, it became EVIDENT that
THEY CANNOT BE REHABILITATED, that we're dealin with
a PATHOLOGY, loz, that the self proclaimed professional
trainers and university degreed EXXXPERT behaviorists
and more recently, NEW posters here abHOWETS, are
MENTALLY ILL, mostly themselves VICTIMS of PARENTAL
ABUSE, and THAT'S HOWE COME they REFUSE to STOP
HURTIN INTIMIDATIN MUTILATIN  an MURDERIN innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT:

"then i heard him tell someone on the news group
"Do you think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was
like whoa.. now i feel like cockaroach and pray every
time i distract them that they can somehow grow up
not to hate me..

and i pray i caught myself in enough time.

my grandchildren will never ever.. ever.. feel
shame or feel like they're not loved :)," Amanda.

Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
a SPIRITUAL problem, passed on from WON generatiHOWEN
of  abuser to the next, like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in the
stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

         To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL
                      of your parental teachins.

 The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
          Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                       Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
        Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
        Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
        Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion,
        Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change,
        Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
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Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company, aapt news!

Your only "boo boo" was askin these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental cases for advice
that THEY AIN'T GOT.

They MURDER dogs like you got.

WHAT'S THAT suppHOWESED to mean?

Surgical sexual mutilation causes life long
temperament and heelth problems.

               LIKE THIS:

From: MikeEisenf...@yahoo.com
Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:24:42 -0700
Subject: Re: The Long-term Heath Impacts of S/N in Dogs

On Mar 28, 1:48 pm,
       Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_
                Research_Laboratory wrote:

Always good to have more food for thought!

Material that includes research data from 2006, 2005 was
presented at ACC&D's Third International Symposium, and
part of the slideshows presentedare available here.
http://www.acc-d.org/2006%20Symposium%20Docs/Session%20I.pdf

Issues regarding previous assumptions on what neutering does
as a 'benefit' are pretty well challenged in this data above.

Alliance for Contraception in Cats and Dogs (ACC&D) is a nonprofit
501C(3) group involved in attempting to study, define and resolve
some of the problems that currently exist internationally as they
regard issues of animal population control. "More than 120
representatives from universities, animal welfare organizations,
foundations, companies, and government agencies from 11 countries
gathered to share information and plan for the future". Main site:
http://www.acc-d.org/

"On the negative side, neutering male dogs · if done before
maturity, increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer)
by a factor of 3.8; this is a common cancer in medium/large
and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.

· increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6;
 this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds

· triples the risk of hypothyroidism

· increases the risk of geriatric cognitive impairment

· triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs
with it the many associated health problems associated with
obesity

· quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer

· doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers

· increases the risk of orthopedic disorders

· increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations

Hemangiosarcoma is a common cancer in dogs. It is a major cause
of death in some breeds, such as Salukis, French Bulldogs, Irish
Water Spaniels, Flat Coated Retrievers, Golden Retrievers, Boxers,
Afghan Hounds, English Setter, Scottish Terrier, Boston Terrier,
Bulldogs, and German Shepherd Dogs24.

In an aged-matched case controlled study, spayed females were
found to have a 2.2 times higher risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma
compared to intact females24.

A retrospective study of cardiac hemangiosarcoma risk factors
found a >5 times greater risk in spayed female dogs compared
to intact female dogs and a 1.6 times higher risk in neutered
male dogs compared to intact male dogs.25 The authors suggest
a protective effect of sex hormones against hemangiosarcoma,
especially in females.

In breeds where hermangiosarcoma is an important cause of death,
the increased risk associated with spay/neuter is likely one that
should factor into decisions on whether or when to sterilize a dog.

Hypothyroidism

Spay/neuter in dogs was found to be correlated with a three fold
increased risk of hypothyroidism compared to intact dogs. The
researchers suggest a cause-and-effect relationship26.

They wrote: "More important [than the mild direct impact on

thyroid function] in the association between [spaying and]
neutering and hypothyroidism may be the effect of sex hormones
on the immune system.

Castration increases the severity of autoimmune thyroiditis
in mice" which may explain the link between spay/neuter and
hypothyroidism in dogs.

"Dr. Spain, who has been recently involved in many
studies assessing the long-term risks and benefits of
early-age neutering, presented convincing data about
the effects of spay/neuter on hip dysplasia, cranial
cruciate ligament rupture, long bone development,
body weight, diabetes, urinary tract infections,
mammary cancer, and several other conditions."

CONCLUSIONS

An objective reading of the veterinary medical literature
reveals a complex situation with respect to the longterm
health impacts of spay/neuter in dogs.

The evidence shows that spay/neuter correlates with both
positive AND adverse health effects in dogs. It also
suggests how much we really do not yet understand about
this subject.

On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made
for neutering most male dogs to prevent future health problems,
especially immature male dogs. The number of health problems
associated with neutering may exceed the associated health
benefits in most cases.

                ------------------------------

Well then, you'll find many friends here!

Accordin to the self proclaimed EXXXPERTS, raisin
dogs is SO EXXXPENSIVE that NO WON MAKES
MONEY off of their ETHICKAL BREEDIN programs.

PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME they bank semen?:

Subject: Re: Enormous AI Litter
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletethis@charter.net> wrote in message news:_yPZh.
72$fu.59@newsfe02.lga...
I know some of you have some personal experience with
the difficulties involved in canine A.I. with frozen semen.

    My sister forwarded me this link - the woman who owns
the Airedale bitch is a friend of hers, and the vet is local.
Using semen frozen for 13 years, they were hoping for 2 or
3 puppies.  They got 11!

                    ----------------------

ALL aggression is FEAR.

ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

        Damn The Descartean War of
             "Nature Vs Nurture."
 We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
    And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

         The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
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                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
             As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
         As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
   PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
           INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
 To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

             You GET The Critter You TRAINED

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Might be a little difficult to get visitors to do that...

That's NORMAL.

No, she just doesn't TRUST strangers. There's
ways you can introduce her to your friends so's
she'll KNOW their approved alternate handlers.
You'll learn all abHOWET that when you study
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That's irrelevent. All you gotta do is NON PHYSICALLY
PRAISE HER IN ADVANCE and briefly, variably alternately,
NON PHYSCIALLY distract and instantly praise any aggression
again for 5-15 seconds and PRAISE IN ADVANCE again...
and FOLLOW THE EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC Pavlovian /
Ericksonian CONDITIONING techniques PRECISELY till
EXXXTINCTION.

No, that AIN'T HOWE COME dogs fear each other.

ALL FEAR and AGGRESSION ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING, therefore they can be CURED
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE the pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life
long incurable mental cases you're askin for ADVICE.

"I Am Willing To Take Jerry's Theory On
How Dogs Think As A Likely One, Simply
Because The Dog Training Methodology
He Describes (Based On His Suppositions)
Works So Well," Lisa B.

Subject:   Jerry's Dog Training Manual

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST

In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-re­p.ab.videon.ca>

"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:

Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????

 As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.

              ------------------

Dogs ONLY bark when there's SUMPTHIN WRONG or
they're UNHAPPY. You can CURE dogs' EXXXCESSIVE
BARKIN NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by PRAISING
them, professor, you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life long
incurable mental case and ANAL-ytic behaviorISM FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST:

LIKE THIS:

Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"

Yoshi: Bark, bark,

 us: HUSH Youshi

Yoshi Bark, bark......................

 us: Hush Youshi

Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ...

it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

We decided to try the Jerry method:

 Yoshi:  BARK, BARK

US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

 Yoshi Bark, Bark

  US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them

Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that

I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this

Thanks Jerry

ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines

           -----------------------------

                 AND LIKE THIS:

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info,
so I haven't actually started to train yet.

Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey
was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see
who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical
look, and came and sat beside my feet! OMG, I could
not believe it!

I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Brandy

               --------------

        AND LIKE THIS:

Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of  his
business.  I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

                   ===================

                      AND LIKE THIS:

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
          ------------------------------­------

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST

In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-r­ep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<d...@try.it> writes:

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall

Hi Marshall,

I'll do my best to answer you... please bear with me, ok?  :-)

Marshall Dermer wrote:

Of course, it isn't necessary at all to know how dogs think,
or even if they *do* think.  I believe that they do, but of
course I can't prove it, and neither can Jerry.

The heart of the matter is, the discussion in the manual
regarding "how dogs think" is part of a wholistic approach to
dog training.

It helps to comprehend the reasoning behind the
methodology.  The methodology works quickly
and easily, therefore lending credence (as far as
I'm concerned) to his theory of how dogs think.

It's the same sort of thing regarding theories of whether the
earth revolves around the sun, or contrariwise.  Is it possible
to send a rocket to the moon, based on the assumption
that the sun revolves around the earth?

The answer is, of course, yes, though it would most likely
be enormously complicated.  The better solution is to begin
with the theory that the earth revolves arou­nd the sun.

In other words, the simplest answer or description is the
best, even though it may not be empirically provable.

And so, I am willing to take Jerry's theory on how dogs
think as a likely one, simply because the dog training
methodology he describes (based on his suppositions)
works so well.

I hope this helps you to understand from which perspective
I say the things that I do about Jerry's method and manual.

regards,
Lisa

         -----------------------

You mean she's INSECURE.

Of curse.

The aggressor is ALWAYS the most FEARFUL.

That NEVER WORKS:

lying frosty dahl wrote:

"My behaviorist friend says, however, that "management
always fails." "my aggression-specialist friend has a maxim:
"management always fails."

Re: Dog Whisperer Week on National Geographic

Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006

"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorri...@gmail.com>
wrote in message news:i222d25gibj3sdv85pg8u370e4m4ap1v10@4ax.com...

Well, again, "sh.t" happens.

It's possible to avoid "sh.t" from happening altogether, by never
doing anything, but that doesn't help dogs very much, does it?

But as some folks are wont to say: "Management always fails."

It'll fail for you one day, too. And I bet it alrealready
has, probably many times, in fact.

The more dogs you try to manage, the more
things you try to do, the more times it'll fail.

Because I've see too much "sh.t" actually happen,
and know that it's impossible to totally prevent.

"sh.t" has happened a number of times just today, at
my place, because someone simply forgot to do what
he was supposed to do. He's done it correctly, oh,
maybe a thousand times now, but today he didn't, and
"sh.t" happened.

Actually, you should feel pretty good about the fact "
that he actually shows "sh.t" happening on his show.

                        --------------

                           SEE???

You got to PRAISE them both, IN ADVANCE.

Well, earning the vet visits are killin the dogs.

Your newfHOWEND punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable mental case pals will tell
you to get them both surgically sexually mutilated and
test them for THYROID problems... on accHOWENTA
MOST of their own dogs got THYROID problems which
cause them to be fear aggressive.

That's ABSURD. ETHICKAL DOG LOVERS DON'T
GIVE DANGERHOWES DOGS to folks... they MURDER
them TO BE FAIR, aapt news <{}: ~ ( >

You AIN'T gonna get nodoGdameneD ADVICE from
these pathetic animal murderin mental cases, aapt news,
UNLESS your dog got a THYROID problem which makes
her FEARFUL, like their own fear aggressive deathly ill
dogs are <{}: ~ ( >

NO PROBLEMO! Your veterinary malpracticioner
will be eager to get you a veterinary credit card <{}: ~ ( >

Would you do sumpthin if it was FREE?

YOU AIN'T GETTIN NO ANSWERS from these MENTAL PATIENTS.

That's all you'll get, AFTER you've spent the last of your
hard earned dough doin unnecessary inapupriate veterinary
TESTING for THYROID DIS-EASE <{}: ~ ( >

                 Yeah! Here's WON NHOWE!:

       "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
       Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
       A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
       But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
       author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

       "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
       your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
       as possible. What  does this mean?

       When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
       spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
       away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
       ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
                      --Mike Dufort
               author of the zero selling book
               "CourteHOWES Canines"

             AND HERE'S A OTHER:

"Nelson is definately the real deal," lynn k:

From:  Lynn Kosmakos
Date:  Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email:   Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@home.com>

Lori wrote:

Lori, I sincerely wish that were true.  (the too bad to save part)

There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.

The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases quickly proves
that.

OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a single triggering
incident who cannot be saved.  I've got such a client right now,
a 9 month old GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.

He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson and a slew
of others, and has received nothing by loving care all his life.

His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and there
was no triggering event or medical cause.  As much as it breaks
my heart, the dog cannot be saved.

Lynn K.

          Yeah, but have they TRIED EVERY THING???:

   "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
   choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
   stern correction" --Janet Boss

   On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu>,
   clicked their heels and said:

   > Does that include tone of voice?  Some tools are easier
   > to ban than others.

   yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up!  And I
   always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
   "honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
   --
   Janet B
   www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

   "Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
   And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
   Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish
   Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want
   To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.

   "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
   A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
   Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
   Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
   He Might Eat My Cat,"Melanie Lee Chang * mchang@lppi.ucsf.edu
   Canine Behavioral Genetics Project University of California, San
   Francisco http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

   captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
   ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
   The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
   Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

   "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
   Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
   Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
   Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
   The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
   mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.

The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories.  The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.

        Sally Hennessey

Nope.  No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

                   ------------------------

Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.

In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.

If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.

Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."

            ================

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
 I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
 Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
 Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
 to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
 possibly get a good working dog by making them
 unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
 frosty dahl.

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.

   lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
   Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
   the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,  less tractable
   dogs may require you to progress to striking them
   more sharply

   Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
   the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
   Eventually, the dog will give in

   but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
   efforts to escaping the ear pinch

   You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
   instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
   and pinch the ear against that

   Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
   urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.

   CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
   Right Hand,  As it catches on, try using the stick
   and no ear pinch.

   When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
   and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
   you are finished

   If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
   say "No! Hold!"

   (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
   the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
   it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.

   "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
    professora gingold.

   terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
   "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
   something you twisted out of context, because you
   are full of bizarro manure."

       "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
       Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
       With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
       discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to
 it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
 if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar,"  Lynn K.

          "Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

                  <except when it is>

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
     necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

          "Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

                  <except when it is>

    "So what?  Whoever said that it's right to
    always not confront?  We sure can try, but
    a dog who knows a command and growls when
    given it is certainly being confrontational".
    You can't simply walk away and pretend it
    didn't happen or leave it for later work in
    every situation." Lynn K.

              --------------------

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

           ----------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

           ----------------

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily
~emily is a vivisectionist for a med research laboratory.

HOWEDY janet,

Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:

Janet B wrote:

.

       "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
       professora gingold.

     "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
     wrote in message
     news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

     Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
     and i often call my little dog the turd, because
     he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
     would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
     matter of personality.

     Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
     step on him once. Seriously.

"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."

Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.

diddy wrote:

IME there are lots of soft Labs, and some of the recent
field-bred dogs are among the worst.  In the 60's, when
you worked with them, if I understand correctly, they
were probably more consistently tough and resilient.  That's
the traditional nature of the breed.

Trainer Mike Lardy thinks we are getting the softer, more
sensitive dogs today because training methods using modern
e-collars are so much better and more gentle than they used
to be, it doesn't take a tough dog to come through training
in good shape.  I think it's a plausible argument.

Doesn't fit the stereotype the ignorant have of e-collars.

We still get a few that are happy and eager no
 matter what we do to them.

Amy Dahl
                 ----------------------

NO PROBLEMO!

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard
SPECIALIZES in trainin folks ALL OVER the WHOWEL
WILD WORLD HOWE to get 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESS and FOR FREE, to boot.

                      LIKE THIS:

Valerie, a new poster wrote:
From: "Valerie M. Holmes" <Holme...@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:07:23 GMT

Subject: Aggressive Dal from shelter

I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old
dalmatian from a no-kill shelter.  She spent 2
years in the shelter and naturally she has some
socialization issues to overcome.

My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .

1.  She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs, even
dogs that have shown that they are willing to be submissive.
Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.

2.  She is usually kind and affectionate toward her owner
(me), but recently began turning sour and for no apparent
reason snarls toward me!  This has completely destroyed
the trust we were building over the past month.

3.  She deals with visitors, but is very anxious around
people she doesn't know.  At first she would scream if
a stranger petted her with 2 hands.  I just don't trust
her around anyone yet.

4.  She lunged at my sisters 2 year old the same way she
lunged toward other dogs, aggressively.

I really really like this dog, when she is calm and able
to relax.  I want to keep her, but I don't really know
what the best way to establish the necessary trust.

Any ideas out there?

                --------------

Three days later my Student Valerie wrote:

Monday, 6/3/02:

Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without
physical contact and she does seem to listen
better than when I would praise with it.  I agree
that it is a distraction.

Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from
her since I started the Witts End.

"MaryBeth" marbe...@NOSPAMcomcast.net
wrote in message
news:3cfcdcfb$2_8@news.teranews.com...

From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST

HEY!!!

There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.

All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.

There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training.  The deal is you have to separate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.

Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out
of the whole Jerry thing.  I have to say the
guy is pretty clever, you're letting him get
under your skin.

It makes for a very amusing game I think.
I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't
be playing everyday.

He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.

Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.

I have changed her from an aggressive dog
to one who is willing to please her owner,
willing to listen, willing to assume her role
in the pack.

The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking

P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?

              ---------------------

"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@­­chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for
"Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual
and it works very good!

<snip>

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to
"ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id 3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fo ­­tografie/doggy-pictures/

My Student Amanda wrote:
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull.  She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing.  I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty.  So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people.  she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

       "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
       news:

       I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
       dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
       I do not know what started the problem but he came
       aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
       snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
       and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
       ad I took him with me everywhere.

       At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
       Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
       clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
       it was not working on his aggression problem.

       I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
       trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
       They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
       and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
       suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
       working as he was becoming more aggressive.

       I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
       away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
       on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
       use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

       I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
       ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
       LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
       University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
       had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
       gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
       have the people stop until he could get in control using
       treats, and work on clicker training.

       At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
       the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
       would not come when I called him and would run away when
       I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
       neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
       hasn't trained her dog"

       I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
       were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
       were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
       said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
       say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
       responsible for him."

       *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
       DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

       As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
       going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
       Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
       Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
       He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
       not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

       The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
       I had been working for 18 months!

       Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
       from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
       I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
       blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
       can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

       I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
       -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
       looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
       on by.

       When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
       me like "you must be out of your mind"

       The results can make a believer!!!

       Three weeks s