My little guy used to do this while resting after playing, even at a
moderate level, and outgrew it.

Oh Brilliant, LOL..
Lynne, I am delighted for you. He is one of those cats that you meet &
you *never forget* if you know what I mean? I think that he is doing
ever so well, & RS is probably right regarding his out of breath
bouts. I am sure that if it were a real HUGE problem that it would
have manifested itself by now....

Take the time out to simply enjoy your little boy. Of course he
doesn't have to grow up yet.. Why should he when he has a mummy who is
happy to indulge him too? Anyway, we all know that little boys take
far longer to mature than girls do...

I can't believe that he is 10lb already!! A little mean lean fighting
machine LOL

<only fighting his tail though, LOL>
The Belly pouch is his mummy's little treat box....
Is he still sucking mummy's lip though? I would hate for that to end.
It is unique to him alone & it is so Cuteee......

Any chance of more photos soon?
I don't have a camera @ the mo, so I am having withdrawal symptoms
here..
Take Pity on me pleaseeeee?

S;o)
PS: Purr's leg weaves and head butts to the rest of the crew too of
course:o)

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case,

Those "frequent BHOWETS of rapid breathing
at rest" are PAINICK ATTACKS. Your veterinary
malpracticioners will RAPE you for all the money
you got and STILL NOT DIAGNOSE IT pupperly.

And EVEN IF they DID "diagnose it" they GOT NO CURE.

NO PROBLEMO. You can EXXXTINGUISH
them NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.

Shameful.

Big deal.

He'll be LUCKY if he lives till two years of age.

                 OR MAYBE NOT.

            DEATH IS A BLESSING.

If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn
HOWE COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life long
incurable MENTAL CASES HURT INTIMIDATE an
MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters  an LIE
abHOWET IT:

From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:27 am
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

ugh.  Curiosity got the best of me and I read that
crap on AOL.  I feel dirty, and nauseous.

My unsolicited advice to all involved: ignore it.  Ask yourself if
their opinions *really* matter to you.  Besides, they'll find a new
carcass to gather 'round soon enough, bunch of vultures.

             --------------

From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 16 2006 12:18 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

Shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
news:e8f7j210fdpq1vcd45rnk67gpll6bruncm@4ax.com:

There really doesn't seem to be a learning curve at all, but you are
right - Google sucks for news.  I have used Outlook in the past but
I have a conflict with other apps (surprise, surprise) and had to
delete it.

I'm already loving this killfile--boy HOWdEy!! ;-)

--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

         ----------------

                               Research Laboratory

Subject: dobie and pen problem (jerry)

From:  Jerry Howe
Date:  Mon, Dec 10 2001 8:46 pm

Hello robinandlynne,

"robinandlynne" <robinandly...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
ews:bcef6e9e.0112101224.35c954cc@posting.google.com...

Yes, it embarrasses our lying dog abusing Thugs...

You mean Jerry don't HURT dogs to train them and
is mean to lying dog abusing Thugs who DO HURT
dogs because they're not bright enough to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog.

You mean who hasn't been called a liar or child
molestor... by you and your lying dog abusing Thug pals.

Only dog abusers and their sympathizers.

That's about to end...

You mean the FREE, COMPREHENSIVE, method
that quickly and efficiently trains all dogs, even wolves?
You mean my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available for FREE  at http://www.doggydoright.com ?
The one where you can get all the FREE additional help you
could ask for?

If you've argued with me it's probably cause you're a dog abuser...

Well, it's GAME TIME.

Yes, I expose you and your pals as lying dog abusing Thugs...

Only our dog lovers who hurt dogs and lie about it...

And a animal murderin mental case. But only those I QUOTE.
That's why you want everyone to snip text, trim crossposts and
put ninnyboy in the headers.

Without being called a liar and paid shills for Jerry.

The FREE ones that makes you and your pals look
like LYING DOG ABUSING COWARDS.

And the rest are soon to follow.... because we don't need
dog lovers here who choke, shock, and kill dogs and call
that training.

Naaah. You're not a supposed expert, and you've just
proven yourself to be a liar. So, the rest is elementary...

HOWEDY lynne (EXXXPLETIVE adjectives deleted),

"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:D_CdnT_1WNB3oQjYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@insightbb.com...

You mean kats an dogs gettin along together?

INDEEDY. You JUST GOT RID of a dog you couldn't
introduce to your kats DESPITE that he was O.K. with
kats at the barn he was sheltered at <{): ~ ( >

THEN you GOT RID OF his REPLACEMENT on
accHOWENTA he ATTACKED YOU for mishandlin
him.

NO PROBLEMO! It's a NASTY job, but someWON gotta do it...

HERE'S HOWE COME lynne GOT RID of her last two
dogs nearly as soon as she brought them into her INSANE
ASYLUM:

Subject: Briar

1From: Lynne
Date: Thurs, Nov 30 2006 6:38 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

We had a long afternoon with the behaviorist and learned
quite a lot.  Unfortunately, Briar is not going to be staying
with us.  The behaviorist identified several concerns.

She feels certain that Briar and I can work together since we
are working together so well already.  She said it is obvious
he trusts me and is very attentive to me (he really is a good
boy).  She is concerned, however, that he gives absolutely no
warning before going into attack mode--which he did twice today.
She is also concerned about his bite inhibition, or lack thereof,
based on my wounds.

She said she doesn't think he is dog aggressive, but that he was
definitely resource guarding pretty much everything (including me)
and not only with Roxy, but also with her, the cats, and my kids
to varying degrees.

She said careful management was very likely to be a long term
obligation, along with continued work.  The work I don't mind,
because it's fun, but having a dog I may never be able to trust
isn't something I'm willing to do.  So that's that.

At this point I'm done with rescue.  I have a much better
understanding of what these rescue dogs might need, and
while I thought I'd be doing a good thing, I realize I'm just
not cut out for it. So I am going to get a puppy from a shelter
in the Spring next year or the year after and raise him or her
to be well socialized and well behaved who will hopefully be
as happy with our lifestyle as Roxy is.  Or maybe I won't.

Right now I'm psyched on a single dog household again.

Flame away.  I'm numb.

--
Lynne

Subject:    Briar bit me. Twice

1From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Nov 20 2006 7:46 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

and it would have been more if I hadn't gotten a hold of him...

For the past few days I've been giving Roxy and Briar kibbles
as rewards side by side.  I've been giving them simultaneously
since yesterday, instead of to Roxy first and then Briar.  I've
seen absolutely no sign of problems, just two happy dogs
following commands for bites of kibble.

But tonight, Briar turned on Roxy and attacked her again.
I told him no, which usually stops him in his tracks, but not
this time.  So I went to grab his collar and he turned on me,
snarling and growling.

He bit me twice before I got him under control.  I got him
by the collar, lifted his front legs at least a foot in the air,
and he was snarling and fighting to get at me.  I tossed him
outside and shut the door.  He continued snarling and lunged
at the glass a few times while I stood there.  Then he ran
around the yard barking ferociously for a good 2 minutes.

I don't know if this is my fault or not, for rushing things, but
I can't keep him now that I know he is willing to attack me.

I have to think it was in his nature anyway and I triggered
it.  I'm just not willing to keep a dog who will attack people.

Myself, I can handle it, but my kids and their friends, other
people--no way.  That's an unmanigeable situation for our lifestyle.

My daughter and I can't stop crying.  Damn.  Two strikes.  This sucks.

When he's not in attack mode, he's the sweetest damn dog.
--
Lynne

                   -------------------

Re: Houston, we have a problem - dogs & cats

I probably will talk to the GR rescue again about adopting,
once the sting wears off.  I actually plan to call them
tomorrow to let them know the Lab didn't work out and why.

I called the gal from the GR rescue on the way home with
Bailey Friday to tell her I had found a dog and was very
excited.  She was excited for me.  Everyone at that rescue
has been great to deal with.

Thanks, everyone, for all the words of support.  I honestly
thought I might get flamed to hell and back for returning him.
I feel better, and do now believe I did the right thing.

I wasn't feeling that way yesterday at all.

I was also absolutely heartsick.

I was told he got along with cats, but I did not observe this myself.

Today I learned that the cats he has been around are barn
cats and they have never been indoors with him.  I'm not
convinced he had any interaction with them at all, knowing
barn cats.  I guess I should have been more specific?

I was clear that my cats are indoor cats and that one is a tiny
kitten. I also stated that we sleep in the bed with my dog and
the cats.  I'm  honestly not sure what else I could have said.

Obviously I should have asked more in depth questions.

Hindsite is a bitch.

One of my primary requirements in a dog is one who has been
around cats and who is disinterested in them.  I made this clear
up front and we discussed this in respect to Bailey.  Bailey was
extremely aggressive towards them.  It scared me.  Bailey is now
back at the rescue.

I cried the whole way back with him, because he is perfect in every
other way (really amazing, actually), but our cats are as important to
us as are our dogs.

When I talked to the director of the rescue, she said she
would have beaten him for that behavior.  That's not my
style at all, and I can't imagine that would be a good
foundation for trusting, secure relationship for Bailey.

I feel like I failed him.  My daughter hates me.  It doesn't
help that her hamster died while she was on her trip and
I had to tell her tonight.

Oh, and I ate the $300 adoption fee.  Despite that, I donated
some of the things I bought for Bailey to the rescue.  We're
going to take a break from looking for a dog.  I'm thinking of
going to the shelter and getting a mutt puppy instead of an adult...
at least any behavioral problems would be of my own doing.

Judging by how Roxy behaves,  it's nothing I couldn't live with.

*sigh*

--
Lynne

                  ------------------

       From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_
                                Forensic_Sciences_
                              Research_Laboratory

Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:54:14 -0700
Subject: Re: latest information on spay incontinence

HOWEDY lynne,

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Seems PARENTS FEAR an HATE The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard
even MOORE than the PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS
and UNIVERSITY TRAINED BEHAVIORISTS HE'S
IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED <{) : ~ )  >

Naaah?

Yeah. Your PALS call The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard a CHILD MOLESTOR, lynne <{} : ~ )  >

You ain't seen NUTHIN YET, lynne <{) : ~ ) >

Yeah, PROBABLY.  Lemme see:  K-I-L-L-F-I-L-E <{) : ~ )  >

CORRECT?

O.K. Your turn NHOWE?

Kan you SPELL DEAD from unnecessary
inapupriate surgical sexual mutilation?:

From:  Lynne
Date:  Sun, Sep 10 2006

My daughter just lost a kitten last weekend to some
kind of neurological disorder triggered by anesthesia.

He went blind several months ago after suffering siezures
during his neutering surgery.  He went into siezure again
last Saturday and died.  So we really need this little guy
to be okay.

                      -------------------------

            BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!

        From The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_
                                 Grand_
   Puppy_Child_ Pussy_ Birdy_ And_Horsey Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >

Date: 7 Nov 2006

Subject: Re: incontinence in young spayed female

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
an child abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable mental case,

There AIN'T NO SUCH THING as "spay incontinence".

Your dog pisses herself UN-CON-TROLL-ABLY on
accHOWENTA you're a pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal an child abusin mental case:

Subject:  latest information on spay incontinence

    From The Annals Of  HumanAnd Animal Behavior
             Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

HOWEDY lynne,

You're a miserable stinkin lyin animal an child abusin mental case:
Subject: Why is she biting after being petted ?
6From: Lynne
Date: Wed, Oct 11 2006 6:55 pm
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav

this is one of those funny things about cats.  And they are all
different.  You have to learn to read each one, and it takes time.

I used to have a very large neutered male cat who would
attack me (think: chunks of flesh missing) if I walked by
him and didn't pet him when he wanted me to.  Or if I pet
him when he didn't want me to.  Or if I pet him too long,
not long enough... hehe.  He was mean, but not always,
and I loved him.

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal an child abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case,

Oh? Oh, you mean like when HE CITES YOUR OWN
POSTED CASE HISTORY of HURTIN dogs kats and
kids, lynne you pathetic congenitally defective active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case?:

"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8OydnZy0xtXLTf7YnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@insightbb.com...

Naaaaah?

Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?

Have you had VonWillerbrand's DIS-EASE since birth, lynne?
AIN'T THAT CONGENITAL too, lynne? ETHICAL BREEDERS
DON'T BREED stock that got VWBD and HEART DEFECTS,
do they?

Blech? Oh, that's your new screen name. Very nice choice.

It was difficult chosing which CASE HISTORY of yours to
CITE FIRST, so, we'll go for your TWO LAST DISMAL
FAILURES returnin your last two dogs to the shelters for
behavior problems you caused and then we'll take a look at
your own congenitally defective children...

Re: SAS diagnosis

"Lynne" <unmonitored.email@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ebWdnWQ_iNztroXbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@insightbb.com...

on Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:44:42 GMT, diddy <diddy@nospam.diddy.net>
wrote:

It's been pure hell around here, in ways I couldn't have
predicted.  My son, who has heart disease, can't understand
why I would hesitate to take a puppy with a heart problem.

My daughter hates me, but I expected that.

She is heartbroken.

Lots of tears around here.  And they aren't over yet.

--
Lynne

Subject: dog afraid of small children
1From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 4:41 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

the little Golden mix girl I am hoping to adopt is afraid
of small statured children according to her foster family.
They don't know why, but suspect (of course) that she
was mistreated by young children.  My kids are 11 and
16, but we do have friends with much younger children
that we will spend time with and so I will want to make
our new dog feel comfortable around little ones.

What is the best way to go about doing this?  Is it just
a matter of gradual exposure to kind little ones?

Her reaction is to cower and try to get away from the
children, BTW. She has never been aggressive toward
anyone.  I imagine if she were cornered she might fear
bite, but hasn't yet.  Naturally, I don't want to ever put
her in a situation where she will feel the need to do so.
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

Subject: prong collar with dominant dog collar as a backup

1From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 9:41 am
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

my dog is a puller and the dog I am likely to adopt has
no leash experience.  After reading about prong collars
here, I am considering getting one for each of them so
we can work on their leash manners.  I was just reading
on http://www.leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm about using a
dominant dog collar with a prong, as a safety backup.

I am confused, though.

The above page states:
"A perfect safety procedure is to use along with a prong
is a dominant dog collar I offer this advise to ALL those
trainers who use prong collars.

It is not unheard of (see the email below) for a mistake to
happen and a prong collar comes apart when you need it
the most. By having a dominant dog collar on the dog at
the same time as the prong this will never be a problem.

Simply attach the clip on the leash to both the
prong and  the ring on the dominant dog collar."

But this page, http://www.leerburg.com/746.htm states:
"What handlers should not do with these collar is jerk on
the [dominant dog] collar like you would with a prong collar.
That's not how the dominant dogs collars are intended to be
used. Jerking on a choke collar will cause muscle damage to
the dogs neck."

According to the first quote, when using the dominant dog
collar with the prong collar, they are attached to the same
leash.

So wouldn't jerking on the leash to give a correction with
the prong collar be dangerous with the dominant dog collar
attached?
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

Subject: prong collar with dominant dog collar as a backup

3From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 10:06 am
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
news:4pk93eFjah88U1@individual.net:

Ah, okay.  I didn't like that dominant dog collar idea.

Will definitely fit it right. That's why I was on the
Leerburg sight--their photos are a great guide for fitting IMO.

This makes far more sense than jerking!

I expect I will walk them seperately and together
at times, and definitely not on a coupler.

Thanks very much!

--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

Subject:    The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
1From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 7:17 pm
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck.
I
am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the basics
mostly down.  Is there anything in this book that will help me with
her, or is it strictly puppy specific?  I plan to give it to a friend
who is getting a new puppy, but thought I might read it first if it
might help me.

2From: A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:25 pm

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin mental case,

Ever WONder HOWE COME the library is THRHOWEIN
HOWET a valuable dog trainin book written by the most
highly respected drunken animal murderin pathetic con artist
frauds in the PUPPY MILL BUSINESS, lynne?

It's on accHOWENT of they're dog abusin mental cases, like yourself:

                          Research Laboratory
                                    AND
             COLLEGE OF HARD KNOCKXXX
                                   <{}: ~ (  >

Subject: training and trainers

1 From:  Lynne
Date:  Thurs, Oct 12 2006 4:59 pm
Email:   "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>

I have been through a couple of training classes with past
puppies and dogs, and one thing that becomes very apparent
is that some people just don't work with their dogs between
classes.  The Muttley thread has compelled me to remind my
fellow average dog owners on here that you can't blame the
trainer when you don't do your homework...
                   ---------

You don't think paulie JERKED an CHOKED his dog
ENOUGH between lessons, lynne <{) : ~ (  >

From: osi...@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.

The question:

I have a four year old male GSD. He growls at
me sometimes. When he growls at me he stares
me in the face and lays his ears back.

The New Skete books say that the dog should
not be allowed to do that. They suggest shaking
down the dog by grabing the dog on the sides of
his neck and picking him off his front feet, then
giving the dog the same sort of treatment the dog
would give another if it were challenging him.

Namely getting in the dogs face and letting the
dog know you are the alpha dog.

Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was
not convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.

Anyone got ideas on what to do with this
dog that might help him to decide that he
wants to follow and that he has nothing to
fear from me?

Special aside from michael to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard:

        ------------  CAVEAT -----------------

Now HOWE, you have had your say. Just shut up and
let these other people have a chance to say something
themselves. Your name calling and insults are not necessary.

I have all the information from you I need. I also have
my OWN mind and I need to make up MY OWN MIND.

I'm sorry but I am not one of your dogs, get it?

        -----------END CAVEAT-----------

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

That so?

From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman)
Date: 1999/05/12
Subject: Re: Should I correct my dog's growling?

While I was listening to the Miles Davis CD, "Kind Of Blue," and
drinking a little Booker's, on Wed, 12 May 1999 17:05:19 GMT, canis55

<cani...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

This is just the kind of stupid, cheap shot bull
ca ca I'm  always talking about.

This schmuck does absolutely *nothing* to actually help
the poster at all, he just takes shots at the Monks, pack
hierarchy theory, alpha theory, etc. (what?  you don't have
any problem with the Theory of Gravity, too?), and automatically
blames this dog's "growling" on negative or aversion type training!

Yet another Kenny Freakin' King wannabe!

Hell, he'd blame cancer on the Monks if he could.

               --------------------

CANCER IS CAUSED BY ABUSE as taught by the monks, tommy.

GRAVITY IS A LAW, tommy... AIN'T IT.

BREAK IT AND YOU FALL ON YOUR ARSE EVERY TIME.

GUARANTEED.

Subject:   Testing potential class students

From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006

This is a tough subject, and I imagine a very emotional
one for most people.  If I were in a class and someone
else's dog viciously attacked mine, I'd have to be stopped
from harming not only the dog, but also the handler... I
have experience with my dog being on the receiving end
of dog aggression, though, and so I have a hair trigger on
these issues now.

I feel bad for you as an instructor, because the people in your
class look to you for 'control' when in fact it is they who are
responsible for the control of their dogs, even though you are
teaching them.
                         -----------------

There's LOTS MOORE in lynne's POSTED CASE
HISTORY. Unfortunately, even The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard can tolerate readin only
so much abuse at WON settin, so, as always,

                     In Love And Light,
            I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
                     Jerry Howe,
     The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                     A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                       G-R-A-N-D
   Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

                HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

He's growing up strong and healthy! That is so wonderful given the
scare you had with him early on. Watch out because some of these
boy cats can grow huge before your very eyes.  :)  Rhett is one
such cat. He's now over 15 pounds, but not a bit of fat on him.
He's got the tummy sway thing, but you can tell by the feel of
their neck and the thickness of the base of their tail. And of
course the roundness when you look down on their shape.

When I first got Scarlett and Rhett in the fall of 2004, the vet
told me they couldn't be from the same litter. At ~9wks Scarlett
was about 3 pounds, Rhett was about 5.  But I saw pictures of them
at 5 wks and their other litter mates; all identically marked and
clearly from the same litter - 2 gray tabby females and 2 brown
spotty tabby males. Soon after they came here, Rhett grew so fast,
and Scarlett was still a little sickly, so she grew a little
slower. She caught up and is a healthy 9 pounds now. But very long
in length. After seeing the entire litter and how identical they
are, I thought maybe they were Bengals, or at least part. Our vet
thinks they are Ocicats.

Wow, I'm rambling and a bit wired this week. Been a very stressful
week and I can't wait for Friday to get here. *whew*