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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2007Pet Food Recall: PURINA UR (MAYBE)
Hi, Regarding the pet food recall and "what has yet to be officially announced". I'm concerned. Our cat, 13 yrs. old, his nose is starting to turn black on the skin. A cold? He exclusively eats Purina UR wet and dry. Earlier last week, he well, it was hacking but not tossing up a hairball. It's not easy to describe, I recognize it like a very dry smokers hack - of course he don't smoke. Sometimes, with my arm around him, well, what I think, he feels, or is it what I imagine, see in my mind, he feels. But once in awhile, when I've got nothing in this head of mine going on and my arm is around him, he twitches and or jerks. Okay, so whilst reading a newsgroup (Usenet) nearly 10 minutes ago, someone reminded me of how cats get effected by trauma. No, Oscar has not been beaten, abused ya know but, well the writer was referring to Virginia Tech April 16, 2007. "Dude: My cats know about it." So (thanks author :-)) I grabbed me a can of Purina UR. Brewers Rice Menadione F-4555 Brewers Rice: Rice has been known to be ah, comprimsed - but nothing about Purina UR -yet. What is F-4555 ? (*I've already been to http://www.purina.com, maybe they are that smart to leave ingrediant content off the web BUT, it's all printed on the can.) Menadione: Interesting! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menadione Think: Has the pet food recall effected MAN (and women) yet? Menadione is a polycyclic aromatic ketone, based on 1,4-naphthoquinone, with a 2-methyl substituent. It was formerly sometimes called vitamin K3, although derivatives of naphthoquinone without the sidechain in the 3-position cannot exert all the functions of the K vitamins. Menadione is a vitamin precursor of K2 which utilizes alkylation in the liver to yield menaquinones (MK-n, n=1-13; K2 vitamers), and hence, is better classified as a provitamin. Despite the fact that it can serve as a precursor to various types of vitamin K, menadione is generally not used as a nutritional supplement. Large doses of menadione have been reported to cause adverse outcomes including hemolytic anemia due to G6PD deficiency, neonatal brain or liver damage, or neonatal death in some cases. Moreover, menadione supplements have been banned by the FDA because of their high toxicity. Menadione has been used experimentally as a chemotherapic agent for cancer, ca 1945, but has lost ground to much safer, human form, vitamin K2 vitamers. Low level menadione is still used as an inexpensive micronutrient for livestock in many countries. Lately, menadione has been mentioned again as a treatment for cancer in conjunction with vitamin C (See "The end of cancer" by April Kirkendoll) but modern researchers and trials are investigating nontoxic K2 vitamers such as menaquinone-4[1] in conjunction with more comprehensive regimens. HEMOLYTIC ANEMIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolytic_anemia Hemolytic anemia is anemia due to hemolysis, the abnormal breakdown of red blood cells either in the blood vessels (intravascular hemolysis) or elsewhere in the body (extravascular). It has numerous possible causes, ranging from relatively harmless to life-threatening. The general classification of hemolytic anemia is either acquired or inherited. Treatment depends on the cause and nature of the breakdown. Classification of hemolytic anaemias Causes of haemolytic anaemis can be either genetic or acquired. [edit] Genetic a.. Genetic conditions of RBC membrane a.. Hereditary spherocytosis b.. Hereditary elliptocytosis b.. Genetic conditions of RBC metabolism (enzyme defects) a.. Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency (G6PD or favism) b.. Pyruvate kinase deficiency c.. Genetic conditions of haemoglobin a.. Sickle cell anaemia b.. Thalassaemia Non-immune mediated haemolytic anaemia (direct Coombs test is negative) a.. Membrane disorders a.. Paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria (rare acquired clonal disorder of red blood cell surface proteins) b.. Liver disease Methyldopa or alpha-methyldopa (brand names Aldomet®, Apo-Methyldopa®, Dopamet®, Novomedopa®) is a centrally-acting adrenergic antihypertensive medication. Its use is now deprecated following introduction of alternative safer classes of agents. However it continues to have a role in otherwise difficult to treat hypertension and pregnancy-induced hypertension. So, consider pregnancy as an analogy here please. The contanimant going around has spawned! Any concerns, yea-we've got 'em. Already called the vet too. William  Signature"Always remember that you are absolutely unique, just like everyone else." William K. Mahler, http://www.mahlers.com Singer - Songwriter - Photographer - Webmaster Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: mahlerscom reply: mahlers dot com at mahlers dot com > Hi, > > Regarding the pet food recall and "what has yet to be officially > announced". Why not buy food that has no wheat or rice in it at all? Because pet food manufacturers are adding rice protein concentrate without telling the pet food companies. This is true of the recent recalls that resulted from American Nutrition adding RCP to various foods without telling the pet food companies. You can't be sure what you are getting and you can't rely on the ingredients label anymore. S. >> Hi, >> >> Regarding the pet food recall and "what has yet to be officially >> announced". > > Why not buy food that has no wheat or rice in it at all? > Because pet food manufacturers are adding rice protein concentrate without > telling the pet food companies. This is true of the recent recalls that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > S. Sue, I think you're painting with too broad a brush. I don't believe the whole industry is mislabeling. I don't believe every manufacturer adds ingredients without telling the companies. And I do think that when there has proven to be a problem with wheat and rice, if you avoid food that says "wheat" and "rice" on the label, you have a better chance of getting food without wheat or rice. >>> Hi, >>> >>> Regarding the pet food recall and "what has yet to be officially >>> announced". >> >> Why not buy food that has no wheat or rice in it at all? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Well, I agree that your best bet is to try and buy foods that don't have grains. But I have to tell you, that I was greatly surprised and disappointed when I found out that the pet food company added rice protein to the food that I was feeding my cat and it was not disclosed in the ingredients. And the rice protein was tainted with melamine. I was lucky....the bag of food I had was purchased before the company decided to change the formula. I try to feed my cats grain free foods, especially my one guy that has food allergies. S. >> Because pet food manufacturers are adding rice protein concentrate >> without [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> >>> Why not buy food that has no wheat or rice in it at all? > Well, I agree that your best bet is to try and buy foods that don't have > grains. But I have to tell you, that I was greatly surprised and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > change the formula. I try to feed my cats grain free foods, especially my > one guy that has food allergies. Understood. We are trusting these people we don't know with the lives of our pets, and we really have no choice in the matter. It's tough. >> Well, I agree that your best bet is to try and buy foods that don't have >> grains. But I have to tell you, that I was greatly surprised and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Understood. We are trusting these people we don't know with the lives > of our pets, and we really have no choice in the matter. It's tough. Take the food into a local lab for analysis. >> Well, I agree that your best bet is to try and buy foods that don't >> have grains. But I have to tell you, that I was greatly surprised [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Understood. We are trusting these people we don't know with the lives > of our pets, and we really have no choice in the matter. It's tough. Sure we have a choice. Make your own cat food. I just got a book and am researching the process. After purchasing the required vitamins, minerals and other additives it doesn't look that difficult. I'll soon find out. SignatureUntie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. > Sure we have a choice. Make your own cat food. I just got a book and am > researching the process. After purchasing the required vitamins, minerals > and other additives it doesn't look that difficult. I'll soon find out. I was essentially sympathizing with those who feel betrayed by the pet food companies. I'm using Purina, and there has been no problem with their food at all. > > Sure we have a choice. Make your own cat food. I just got a book and am > > researching the process. After purchasing the required vitamins, minerals [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > companies. I'm using Purina, and there has been no problem with their food > at all. We're on Purina too; but it has been sheer luck. That just happened to be what they like. Purina Pro Plan & FF. I used to actually feel guilty because I wasn't feeding Hills, or Nutro, Wellness, Innova...all the higher- priced "premium" foods...but the cats won't eat them. I also kind of like supporting Purina because they have a mill here, and donate a *lot* of food to the shelter, simply because it's 6 months until the expire date. A whole ton of Pro Plan once. Betrayed? I feel betrayed and I didn't even buy any of those foods. I feel betrayed because I want the *best* for the cats and I don't pinch pennies when it comes to cat food. I am perfectly willing to pay a premium price for a premium food. Then those *damn* companies, with all their PR bullshit that says "only the best..blah blah blah).. they *claim* to be premium...and sure as hell do charge a premium price....then THEY endanger, and even kill, people's beloved pets JUST TO SAVE A BUCK!! HYPOCRISY!! Fraud. And they're all big fat liars, I don't care what anyone says. They *knew* that China has no regulations, zero safeguards in place to protect the purity of pet food ingredients. And they put the *lives* of millions of pets on the line based on what? Trust??? Give me a break. Agghhh. I'm starting to foam at the mouth again so I'll shut up now. Sherry > We're on Purina too; but it has been sheer luck. That just happened to > be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > priced > "premium" foods...but the cats won't eat them. ---------- Not intended as a criticism of FF (my cats eat both FF and Wellness), but just so you know: Wellness is approximately the same price as FF. FF is 48 cents for a 3 oz can in my local supermarket, and I buy Wellness from Petfooddirect for a little less than a dollar for a 5.5 oz can (with a good coupon). Pet Promise (another new premium brand) costs 99 cents for a 5.5 ounce can. The new premium FF varieties cost 75 cents for a 3 ounce can (without a coupon), so that's actually more expensive than Wellness and Pet Promise. Best regards, ---Cindy S. >---------- >Not intended as a criticism of FF (my cats eat both FF and Wellness), but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Best regards, >---Cindy S. Do they make a 3 oz can? I have not found any of the premium food brands to make a 3 oz can. I have two cats, who share two 3 oz cans per day, and they don't finish either one. And they won't eat it if chilled and served again (cold, heated, set out for awhile). I would be willing to try other foods, but it doesn't make sense to but it in larger cans and throw more than half of it away. I did try a free sample of one type of food, and Jay Jay looked rather insulted. He didn't even try to sniff it, just pulled his head back and stood there stiffly for a minute and then left. I had to call him back and show him a can of fancy feast to get him to come back. >>---------- >>Not intended as a criticism of FF (my cats eat both FF and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > won't eat it if chilled and served again (cold, heated, set out > for awhile). Wellness, FF (original) and the new FF all have 3 oz cans. I buy those, too, for the same reasons you do. They eat canned much more consistently if I put out a "buffet". Ok, are they spoiled? Some say yes. I just say "well fed". :) They eat the canned, but wouldn't if they all had to split a bigger can among them. None of them but Bonnie will eat cold leftovers, so since she's the only one who eats Wellness, gets 1/2 of a 3oz can each dinner. For breakfast she won't touch canned. Tried it over and over and fed the food to the disposal. She gets the other half of the can from the day before the next day. Eats most of it. SignatureCheryl >On Tue 01 May 2007 09:52:49p, Meghan Noecker wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav >> Do they make a 3 oz can? I have not found any of the premium >> food brands to make a 3 oz can. I have two cats, who share two 3 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >the food to the disposal. She gets the other half of the can from >the day before the next day. Eats most of it. Thanks. I will give Wellness a try. Do they sell it at stores like Petco and Petsmart, or is it only at specialty stores? Jay Jay is picky, so he'll be the one to please. He loves two flavors of Fancy Feast, but ONLY 2 flavors. Anything else, and I get that sad look from him as he decides he gets no special dinner. (He always has kibble available). For 2 years, I couldn't even get him to eat canned food. Then he would accoasionally come check out a plate. And then he started showing up to clean up after the others. And eventually, he was sitting there waiting for me to open it. I am pleased to know that the 2 flavors he does like do not have any grain products in them. > Thanks. I will give Wellness a try. Do they sell it at stores > like Petco and Petsmart, or is it only at specialty stores? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I am pleased to know that the 2 flavors he does like do not have > any grain products in them. Sorry Meghan, just seeing this. Here, Wellness isn't available in Petsmart or Petco. I buy it at a store called "Crunchies" that only sells premium pet foods. You can also get it online as I've seen a lot of people mention here. I'm glad Jay Jay got with the program and is enjoying his gooshy food. I wish Bonnie and Rhett would learn that! I put out gooshy food for 4 every day but their bowls are either ignored and eaten by Shamrock and Scarlett or left to throw out. SignatureCheryl snipped > I did try a free sample of one type of food, and Jay Jay looked rather > insulted. He didn't even try to sniff it, just pulled his head back > and stood there stiffly for a minute and then left. I had to call him > back and show him a can of fancy feast to get him to come back. Ha ha!! I know that look. That forlorn, reproachful look.. The one that says, "Ok. You don't love me anymore. I'll never, ever ever get to eat Fancy Feast again. This is slop and you expect me to eat it." Sherry > > We're on Purina too; but it has been sheer luck. That just happened to > > be [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. You know, I've heard nothing but praise from a lot of people re: Wellness. So I ordered a case of it on petfooddirect.com. The little dooky-heads wouldn't touch it. I think it was the texture they didn't like. I usually pay about 42 cents for FF with the Petperks card at Petsmart. They don't like the premium FF, either. It's not a price issue. I'd be perfectly willing to buy Wellness. But it was a no-go. I ended up giving the last few cans away, and the majority of the rest went down the disposal. Everybody else's cats like it. I don't know what their problem was. Sherry > You know, I've heard nothing but praise from a lot of people re: > Wellness. So I ordered > a case of it on petfooddirect.com. The little dooky-heads wouldn't > touch it. I felt guilty at one point, for feeding FF, so I went to Petsmart and bought a variety, so they could try them. (Both Gracie and Boo had been on Iams at the shelter, and Gracie came in with such severe allergies and asthma I had to change just in case it was her food. Boo had gotten obese on Iams dry. So Iams was out.) They liked maybe one flavor of Maxcat and that was it. My cats have plebian tastes--and Cindy's point is well taken, FF is expensive. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > You know, I've heard nothing but praise from a lot of people re: > > Wellness. So I ordered [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -- Actually, FF is way cheaper than Wellness. Even with the discount at PFD, a case of 3 oz cans of Wellness is around $28 including shipping. A case of FF at Petsmart is $10.08, plus sales tax. Less than half the price. I don't buy the new premium FF--I'm talking about the regular ones. Wellness is probably still the better food, and I'd buy it if they'd eat it regardless of the price. But who really knows. Sherry > Actually, FF is way cheaper than Wellness. I have never been attracted to Wellness, as the hype is so thick. Blueberries, etc. People saying that it looks so good they even found it appetizing. Wellness is selling food to people that looks good to people, that I know for sure. My cat's find dried throw-up and mouse guts appetizing and wash their butts with their tongues a few times a day. They turn down leftovers from seafood restaurants, and bits of steak and chicken that I have cooked. I just can't see assuming their tastes are similar to mine. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Actually, FF is way cheaper than Wellness. > > I have never been attracted to Wellness, as the hype is > so thick. Blueberries, etc. People saying that it looks so good > they even found it appetizing. Wellness is selling food to people > that looks good to people, that I know for sure. Ooo. The kind I bought didn't look good. It just looked like a can- shaped blob of light brown mush. No texture at all. I still think that's why the cats didn't like it. Remember we have Boots, the 6 pound Prima Donna. She's really the reason I (used to) experiment with new brands/varieties. Mostly looking for something she will actually eat in some quantity. I'd love for people to think I research ingredients tirelessly and do background checks on pet food companies in order to only buy the absolute best, healthiest food available at any price. But the butt-honest truth is, my criteria in the pet food aisle is What Bootsie Likes. A shameless plug for Purina: She *loves* the new "Pro Plan Selects" line. Both dry & canned. Sherry > My cat's find dried throw-up and mouse guts appetizing and > wash their butts with their tongues a few times a day. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com > A shameless plug for Purina: She *loves* the new "Pro Plan Selects" > line. Both dry & canned. I haven't seen these, I'll have to look for them. > I was essentially sympathizing with those who feel betrayed by the pet food > companies. I'm using Purina, and there has been no problem with their food > at all. Actually, two Purina dog foods *were* affected by the recall (Alpo and Mighty Dog--both are Purina foods). I don't think there is a single large pet food company that wasn't affected by the recall. rona >> I was essentially sympathizing with those who feel betrayed by the pet >> food [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't think there is a single large pet food company that wasn't > affected by the recall. I was talking about cat food. I had not noticed the crossposting. Sorry for making it seem like there might be a company we can trust. What I meant was, "PANIC! NO FOOD IS SAFE! OUR FOOD IS PROBABLY NEXT! AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT BURGER YOU HAD FOR LUNCH IS PROBABLY CONTAMINATED!!! > I was talking about cat food. I had not noticed the crossposting. I was talking about pet food, in general. I hadn't noticed the cross- posting, either, but I felt it was important to point out that almost no large pet food company is free of problems in this matter. Purina might not have problems with their cat food, but they still had problems with some of their food. Because of that, they aren't any more trustworthy than Hill's in this matter (who also had two foods recalled--the savoury cuts line and m/d). > Sorry for making it seem like there might be a company we can trust. What I > meant was, "PANIC! NO FOOD IS SAFE! OUR FOOD IS PROBABLY NEXT! AS A MATTER > OF FACT, THAT BURGER YOU HAD FOR LUNCH IS PROBABLY CONTAMINATED!!! What I assume is sarcasm aside, people are already panicking. In fact, people seem to be panicking more about this than they are about any of the contaminated food (spinach, ground beef, lettuce) that killed humans, and those things were actually grown/raised in the US. To a certain degree, that worries me more than the pet food scandal. And there really aren't many companies (pet food or not) that can be 100% trusted. That's just a fact. I'm not panicking over it, nor am I getting paranoid. I just accept it, and then make any purchasing decisions based on the information I have on hand, and based on the least of all evils. rona > > I was talking about cat food. I had not noticed the crossposting. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > rona The odd thing is, I don't see anyone around me, except newsgroup folks, who seem all that concerned. Some people have seen the signs on the store shelves, but don't really even know much about the recall at all. It's been on the news, but not anything like the coverage given to the peanut butter thing. They're very blase about it. They'll just say, "Oh, yeah, I heard about that. But I feed Science Diet, so it's okay"..or something like that. So, I haven't seen any panic at all. I've actually seen too little concern about it. Sherry <sriddles@aol.com> whittled the following words: > They're very blase about > it. They'll just say, "Oh, yeah, I heard about that. But I feed > Science Diet, so it's okay"..or > something like that. So, I haven't seen any panic at all. I've > actually seen too > little concern about it. Why would they be concerned about it. If they were Feeding Science Diet Dry, they WERE ok. There were no recalls on Science Diet dry "DOG" foods, and only one recall on Science diet dry prescription cat food. ><sriddles@aol.com> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > There were no recalls on Science Diet dry "DOG" foods, and only one recall >on Science diet dry prescription cat food. Which is even worse. You pay top dollar for a 'prescription' food that is supposed to help a medical condition, and it could kill your cat. Anyone who says the companies whose products were recalled have no culpability lives in a different reality than I do. Mustang Sally > Anyone who says the companies whose products were recalled have no > culpability lives in a different reality than I do. I couldn't agree more. Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: >> Anyone who says the companies whose products were recalled have no >> culpability lives in a different reality than I do. > > I couldn't agree more. > > Tara I agree too. That wasn't the issue. If a person was feeding a product not on a recall list, they need not sweat blood losing sleep over it ><nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I agree too. That wasn't the issue. If a person was feeding a product not >on a recall list, they need not sweat blood losing sleep over it Except that some people, myself included, do not want to buy food from any of the companies whose products were recalled. Mustang Sally in thread news:6e8143lqb2e2n0hn1q6pr0eqfh226943pc@4ax.com: sighthounds & siberians <x@ncweb.com> whittled the following words: >>in thread news:Xns992A780EA7DD9taragreen2verizonnet@130.81.64.196: >>Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mustang Sally You sell food, so I'm not concerned with your bias >in thread news:6e8143lqb2e2n0hn1q6pr0eqfh226943pc@4ax.com: sighthounds & >siberians <x@ncweb.com> whittled the following words: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >You sell food, so I'm not concerned with your bias And you've never seen me hawking it here. I don't actually sell it personally, the rescue group I run does, and all the profits go to the rescue. The rescue group is an independent, incorporated, 501 (c) (3) entity, in which I have no financial interest. It wouldn't surprise me if the difference eluded you. In any case, if I didn't feed my dogs Canidae, I wouldn't feed them Science Diet, or Nutro, or any of the other brands involved in the recall. I have previously recommended Nutro products to adopters; I will not do so anymore. Mustang Sally > I agree too. That wasn't the issue. If a person was feeding a product not > on a recall list, they need not sweat blood losing sleep over it You have *got* to be joking. SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) <scouvrette@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: >> I agree too. That wasn't the issue. If a person was feeding a product >> not on a recall list, they need not sweat blood losing sleep over it > > You have *got* to be joking. Nope, Why should I be? You can worry yourself to death over possibilities. I'm not going to spent my lifetime in paranoia land > in thread news:Ss10i.20523$JZ3.17425@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net: > Shelly <scouvrette@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Nope, Why should I be? You can worry yourself to death over > possibilities. I'm not going to spent my lifetime in paranoia land Its not "paranoia land" to be furious with a company for being more concerned with cheap ingredients than the health of my pets. I'm not going to reward them with my money any more than I would walk into a pet shop that sells puppymill pups and become a regular customer of theirs. That's not paranoia, that's letting them know I don't support that practice. Big difference. Huge. Tara > Nope, Why should I be? You can worry yourself to death over possibilities. I'm not worried to death. But I am neither stupid nor naive enough to think that because a food has not (yet!) been recalled, it is safe. There are thousands of dead and dying pets who were fed food that was not (yet!) recalled. > I'm not going to spent my lifetime in paranoia land There is paranoia, and then there is sticking your head in the sand. Somewhere between the two is the land where reasonable people dwell. SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) "diddy" <diddy@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message: > Nope, Why should I be? You can worry yourself to death over possibilities. > I'm not going to spent my lifetime in paranoia land It's not paranoia to refuse to support the business practices of companies that led to the deaths of people's pets. Even if one's own pets are not affected. As this recall keeps expanding in volume, it's hardly paranoia to view suspiciously, the claims by dog food manufactureres that 'only this was affected, and not that' and that nothing was commingled, although the foods were all manufactured in the same facilities, and they can't guarantee that there was no cross contamination. I am considering switching the dogs' food from a manufacturer not involved in the recall to date, because 1) they ignored my requests for information and gave me the run around and 2) their food is manufactured by someone who is involved in the recall. It's not like they're doing me a favor by having me pay for their product. If I am not satisfied in their product or business practices, I am at liberty to vote with my wallet. Suja <spanaval@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: > "diddy" <diddy@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Suja It's a free country. I've never opposed your right to vote with your wallet. Just don't expect everyone to have your sentiments diddy <diddy@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in news:Xns992A8548D21A3danny@ 216.196.97.142: > <spanaval@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > It's a free country. I've never opposed your right to vote with your > wallet. Just don't expect everyone to have your sentiments The interesting thing here, is no one was insulting the midset that you have, yet you insulted those of us that are avoiding those companies whose practices led to these deaths. Who, exactly, is expecting what sentiments? This thread certainly seems to show that most of the insults are being flung at people who are trying to be careful. Those of you that are happy with your foods, have at it. But don't expect anyone else to share your sentiments either....and that *does* actually include not denigrating how other people treat this topic in their personal lives. Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > Who, exactly, is expecting what sentiments? This thread certainly seems > to show that most of the insults are being flung at people who are > trying to be careful. You think I'm insulting because I have the opion that a certain subset of people here are drama queens and historically hysterical? That's an OPINION. I have a right to it. If you are opposed to me having that opinion you have a right to say so. Lets agree to disagree. KAY? > <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's an OPINION. I have a right to it. If you are opposed to me having > that opinion you have a right to say so. Lets agree to disagree. KAY? She might have been talking to me. Who cares? whittled the following words: >> in thread news:Xns992A94B0E98B9taragreen2verizonnet@130.81.64.196: >> Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > She might have been talking to me. Who cares? Not likely. This is an old traditional game of darts. You are just caught up in the fluff. it's just a game. No worries. And I don't care. They are always taking hits to score points. I wasn't aware there was a points tally though until the gun thread. I wasn't keeping score, and I don't trust their honesty as score keepers. So who cares? I don't. It's just a game. > Not likely. This is an old traditional game of darts. You are just > caught up in the fluff. > it's just a game. The only one who holds dear to old "games" here is you, diddy. I'm not part of a group, or "friends" with anyone here. That fantasy is yours and yours alone. > No worries. And I don't care. The fact that you obsessively point out some conspiracy of "others" that are out to disagree with you at any turn (evidence to the contrary goes unnoticed, of course) shows that you might just care after all. > They are always taking hits to score points. I wasn't aware there was > a points tally though until the gun thread. Oh please. You've been obsessed with "points scored" for over 5 years now. >I wasn't keeping score, > and I don't trust their honesty as score keepers. So who cares? I > don't. It's just a game. Um, no. Its called discussion. If you could ever once see that without wearing your paranoid colored glasses, you might figure that out. And I'd like to point out that the only one in this thread that was trying to "score points" was you by trying to use past behavior to dismiss or insult other people. Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > They are always taking hits to score points. I wasn't aware there was >> a points tally though until the gun thread. > > Oh please. You've been obsessed with "points scored" for over 5 years > now. That would be you. I never mentioned points, but you have diddy <diddy@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in news:Xns992AA94B7C842danny@ 216.196.97.142: > <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That would be you. I never mentioned points, but you have Um, you mentioned it in the post I responded to. And the gun thread wasn't about "adding up points" you dolt. It was about one or two posters using devastating tragedy to score points for a political side. If you choose to count yourself among them, then go ahead. The kind of points *you* obsessively tally and keeping track of are another kind altogether and bear no resemblance whatsoever to that sort of discussion. And you never even have to officially keep score in order to be keeping track. You have lumped people in the "for me or against me" camps for well over half a decade here. To pretend otherwise is foolish and simply out of touch. Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > diddy <diddy@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in news:Xns992AA94B7C842danny@ > 216.196.97.142: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > It was about one or two posters using devastating tragedy to score > points for a political side. not at all. The thread was active preceeding the tragedy. You used the tragedy to stop talking about it because you were losing. YOU were the ones who mentioned "points" being scored on the topic. > The kind of points *you* obsessively tally and keeping track of are > another kind altogether and bear no resemblance whatsoever to that > sort of discussion. I dont keep score and tally points diddy <diddy@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in news:Xns992AAB5B83F7Adanny@ 216.196.97.142: > <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > not at all. The thread was active preceeding the tragedy. You used the > tragedy to stop talking about it because you were losing. Um, can you actually differentiate between.....you know....DIFFERENT PEOPLE? I wasn't even IN that thread until after the tragedy. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about gun control as I see strong arguments for both sides. So, you're just flat out wrong here. And your predisposition for lumping people into one pile and then kicking it has just been made abundantly clear. again. > YOU were the ones who mentioned "points" being scored on the topic. >> >> The kind of points *you* obsessively tally and keeping track of are >> another kind altogether and bear no resemblance whatsoever to that >> sort of discussion. > I dont keep score and tally points Um, you just did it in the previous sentence you wrote. You know....the one right up above. In the very post I'm responding to. And not only were you keeping score, you got the "players" totally wrong. wow. What a piece of work. Tara > in thread news:Xns992A94B0E98B9taragreen2verizonnet@130.81.64.196: > Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You think I'm insulting because I have the opion that a certain subset > of people here are drama queens and historically hysterical? Um, no. I think you're insulting because you opened up by insulting a certain mindset without even bothering to find out what it was based on. Again. > That's an OPINION. I have a right to it. Sure you do. You even have a right to be an abusive bitch to anyone who doesn't think the way you do (and you do it so very well, I might add). But that has nothing to do with what I was saying. > If you are opposed to me > having that opinion you have a right to say so. Lets agree to > disagree. KAY? That's always been a given. But when you insult a viewpoint simply because it doesn't mesh with your own,. I also have the right to point that out. Deal with it. Tara <nothanks@verizon.not> whittled the following words: > Sure you do. You even have a right to be an abusive bitch to anyone who > doesn't think the way you do (and you do it so very well, I might add). It's a stalemate >> I agree too. That wasn't the issue. If a person was feeding a product not >> on a recall list, they need not sweat blood losing sleep over it > > You have *got* to be joking. I think the same thing, and I am not joking. What is the point of working yourself into a lather, Shelly? Purina is an old company, it uses American-made ingredients, I have fed it for a long time and my cats are fine. Why do I need to worry? Because "you can't trust anything THEY say! They all lie!" Pffft. We use our best judgment and let the chips fall where they may. We are exhibiting a lot of trust when we buy anything from the grocery for outselves. Don't you have something better to do than climb the walls over the notion that NO PET FOOD IS SAFE!!!!?? I certainly do. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: > What is the point of working yourself into a lather, Shelly? She's into hysterics > What is the point of working yourself into a lather, Shelly? To repeat: There is paranoia, and then there is sticking your head in the sand. Somewhere between the two is the land where reasonable people dwell. > Purina is an old company, it uses American-made ingredients, I have fed it > for a long time and my cats are fine. Why do I need to worry? Oh, I don't know, maybe because some of their foods have been recalled? > Pffft. We use our best judgment and let the chips fall where they may. Of course. But me using my best judgment to decide that it is not in my pets' best interest to eat a certain food is not "worrying myself to death." > Don't you have something better to do than climb the walls over the notion > that NO PET FOOD IS SAFE!!!!?? Funnily enough, I've said no such thing. Nor am I climbing the walls. Lordy! SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) <scouvrette@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: > To repeat: There is paranoia, and then there is sticking your head > in the sand. Somewhere between the two is the land where reasonable > people dwell. And you, of course prefer to live in hysterialand > And you, of course prefer to live in hysterialand Pretty funny, considering that I got snarked at in *health for, well, I'm not sure. Not being hysterical enough, perhaps? Anyway, I think it's kind of ignorant to assume that any given food is safe, just because it has not been recalled. Or do you think that those *hundreds* of recalled foods magically turned into poison overnight? You do realize that every single one of them was considered *safe* just the day before it was recalled? SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) <scouvrette@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: > You do realize that every single one of them was considered *safe* > just the day before it was recalled? I didn't consider them safe. Any food at some time has been recalled for various reasons. Take your flavor of the day. I recall strawberries being recalled. And spinach. Life has inherent dangers. None of us are getting out of this alive. The dangers are much less than there were a thousand, humdred, 50, 25 or even 10 years ago. Now that communications are improved, we hear more of this and have to direct our hysteria somewhere. I think it's a natural result of redirecting our fight or flight instincts which are still present and primal. We just don't need them as much any more, so people get to be prone to panic over things they don't need to. Hence, more mental illness than ever. > <scouvrette@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And you, of course prefer to live in hysterialand FOOD FIGHT!! I couldn't help it. Beth <bethgsd@nospam.verizon.net> whittled the following words: >> <scouvrette@yahoo.com> whittled the following words: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Beth ROFLOL .. it is funny >> What is the point of working yourself into a lather, Shelly? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Oh, I don't know, maybe because some of their foods have been recalled? Which ones? Shall we remove the "maybe" from this thread? > Which ones? Shall we remove the "maybe" from this thread? To be clear, the "maybe" did not refer to whether or not Nestle Purina foods had been recalled, but to whether or not that would be a reason to steer clear of the company's foods, period. Obviously, you are welcome to feed your animals any sort of food you choose. *I* wouldn't touch Purina foods with a barge pole. Anyway... http://www.purina.com/Company/Press/2007/MightyDog.aspx Perhaps you are confused about which newsgroups you are posting to? Because implying--in a dog newsgroup!--that Purina foods are peachy-keen is, well, kinda dumb. SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) >> Which ones? Shall we remove the "maybe" from this thread? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.purina.com/Company/Press/2007/MightyDog.aspx So a single dog food has been recalled. > Perhaps you are confused about which newsgroups you are posting to? > Because implying--in a dog newsgroup!--that Purina foods are peachy-keen > is, well, kinda dumb. I'm in the cat group, you ignorant f.ck. Now stop crossposting, why don't you? Have yourself a great time with all the other Panic Stricken Women in the dog group. a.shole dog people. heh >> http://www.purina.com/Company/Press/2007/MightyDog.aspx > > So a single dog food has been recalled. Two foods from one company. > I'm in the cat group, you ignorant f.ck. No kidding. Seriously, it was *abundantly* clear. > Now stop crossposting, why don't you? Have yourself a great time > with all the other Panic Stricken Women in the dog group. > > a.shole dog people. You have been xposting to rpd.behavior (*behavior, I say!)--on the subject of recalled pet food--for, let's see, over a week now, and *I* am a the panic stricken a.shole? How, exactly, does that work? SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) >> What is the point of working yourself into a lather, Shelly? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Funnily enough, I've said no such thing. Nor am I climbing the walls. > Lordy! I've been reading a lot on the recalled foods and how others are dealing with the problem, etc. I've found Shelly's way of handling it quite sensible. And I'm blaming her for the little bag of Evo I purchased yesterday. The boys think it is crack! I can use it for training, which was my purpose in buying it anyway. I certainly can't afford to feed 3 GSDs it on my budget. That being said, I'm now feeding each dog a different food because Trip needs diet food, Wojo is eating FRR Fish and Chips and Star is on Proplan. Each is eating what they do best on and I'm watching the recall lists. Beth > I've been reading a lot on the recalled foods and how others are dealing > with the problem, etc. I've found Shelly's way of handling it quite > sensible. Thank you. I am trying, though it is not easy, and I have certainly had my moments. > And I'm blaming her for the little bag of Evo I purchased > yesterday. The boys think it is crack! Ha! But, do they *sing* to it? > I can use it for training, which > was my purpose in buying it anyway. I certainly can't afford to feed 3 GSDs > it on my budget. I nearly choked on my tongue when I saw the price, and I just have *one* dog to feed. > That being said, I'm now feeding each dog a different food because Trip > needs diet food, Wojo is eating FRR Fish and Chips and Star is on Proplan. > Each is eating what they do best on and I'm watching the recall lists. That's pretty much what I'm doing, since for both the cat and dog it was a matter of going back to manufacturers I've been happy with in the past. SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) >> I've been reading a lot on the recalled foods and how others are dealing >> with the problem, etc. I've found Shelly's way of handling it quite [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > That's pretty much what I'm doing, since for both the cat and dog it was a > matter of going back to manufacturers I've been happy with in the past. Both of you should just piss on off out of both groups and get a ROOM. >> I've been reading a lot on the recalled foods and how others are dealing >> with the problem, etc. I've found Shelly's way of handling it quite >> sensible. > > Thank you. I am trying, though it is not easy, and I have certainly had > my moments. If I had had the health problems with my cats that you've had I would be much more worried. Knock on wood, I haven't seen what the cats are eating on a recall list, yet. >> And I'm blaming her for the little bag of Evo I purchased yesterday. The >> boys think it is crack! > > Ha! But, do they *sing* to it? No, but I'm expecting Star to realize that if he stands on his backlegs and stretches a bit he could probably get it off of the top of the fridge. Have I mentioned that he went oversize? >> I can use it for training, which was my purpose in buying it anyway. I >> certainly can't afford to feed 3 GSDs it on my budget. > > I nearly choked on my tongue when I saw the price, and I just have *one* > dog to feed. I totally understand that feeling. I was thinking if it was in the same price range as FRR I might try it. A mom -n- pop store on the other side of town carries a bunch of good food and I wouldn't mind supporting them if possible. At Evo's prices, not possible. Beth > If I had had the health problems with my cats that you've had I would be > much more worried. It makes me wonder how far back this problem really goes. His symptoms were precisely what is being described by folks whose cats have eaten melamine, especially his final relapse. > Knock on wood, I haven't seen what the cats are eating on > a recall list, yet. Knock on wood and fingers crossed! > No, but I'm expecting Star to realize that if he stands on his backlegs and > stretches a bit he could probably get it off of the top of the fridge. Have > I mentioned that he went oversize? He must be! However, Harriet says that you don't have to be big to get stuff off the fridge, you just need rocket boosters in your legs. > I totally understand that feeling. I was thinking if it was in the same > price range as FRR I might try it. A mom -n- pop store on the other side of > town carries a bunch of good food and I wouldn't mind supporting them if > possible. At Evo's prices, not possible. I'm in the same situation, re mom-n-pop store across town. It's kind of a pain in the arse to get there, but I am thankful to have the option, and I do what I can to support them. The owners are good people. The last time I went in, it was *packed*. They said that business has been crazy since the recalls started. SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) > I'm in the same situation, re mom-n-pop store across town. It's kind of a > pain in the arse to get there, but I am thankful to have the option, and I > do what I can to support them. The owners are good people. The last time > I went in, it was *packed*. They said that business has been crazy since > the recalls started. I stopped into my mom-n-pop store yesterday for Canidae. Talk about "sign of the times" - The sign out front said "Wheat free pet foods available here". I sent my brother there to switch his cat to Felidae when his vet-sold prescription food was recalled. Guess he wasn't their only new customer, huh? The only Felidae Platinum they carry is in the smallest bag. He asked about larger bags and they said he was the first one to ask - wait a minute and they'd check. No problem ordering it for him - just give them 24 hours notice. Not bad service either. And while he was there a couple of days ago, he discovered that they also fill propane canisters - for about 10% less than Agway does. So yet another win-win. So maybe a really good side effect of all this is that these mom-n-pop stores will get more support. As will the farmers' markets and the sustainable farms. This given morning, DH isn't so sure it's a good thing. I made him double the size of our garden this year. And he knows it's not just the additional ground-breaking that's the real work. Fortunately, once he gets over his grumbling, he really enjoys working in the garden. Judy >> I'm in the same situation, re mom-n-pop store across town. It's kind of >> a pain in the arse to get there, but I am thankful to have the option, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > stores will get more support. As will the farmers' markets and the > sustainable farms. I just wish the two mom-n-pop pet food stores nearest to me would quit selling puppies. Ugh. So, to go to the one I visited on Monday, I have to drive 45 minutes. There is one closer, but I don't know what they carry. Maybe I'll stop by today when I'm out and about. > This given morning, DH isn't so sure it's a good thing. I made him double > the size of our garden this year. And he knows it's not just the > additional ground-breaking that's the real work. Fortunately, once he > gets over his grumbling, he really enjoys working in the garden. > > Judy Raised beds babee! I'm trying to figure out where I can put some squash so the stink bugs don't get it. Unfortunatly down here I can't grow lettuce and spinach in the summer. But I do get a nice fall crop. Beth > I just wish the two mom-n-pop pet food stores nearest to me would quit > selling puppies. Ugh. O ick. There is one near campus, which I drive past nearly every day, that sells good food. Also puppies. I can't bring myself to go in there. They even have one of those scrolling LED signs, and it occasionally advertises puppy sales. > So, to go to the one I visited on Monday, I have to > drive 45 minutes. There is one closer, but I don't know what they carry. > Maybe I'll stop by today when I'm out and about. Hopefully, they don't carry animals! SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) > I just wish the two mom-n-pop pet food stores nearest to me would quit > selling puppies. Ugh. So, to go to the one I visited on Monday, I have > to drive 45 minutes. Where I live, a 45 minute drive is pretty much standard for anything. And this store is 45 minutes away. But it's also sort of on the way to both dog class and my mom's so we can just take a slightly longer alternate loop on our way to one of those places. There is a store about half an hour away - that's upstairs from my vet - but their customer skills are pretty bad and other than the vet I don't go past there normally. And there is another store about 20 minutes away but their big claim to fame is that they sell PUPPIES - NEW PUPPIES ARRIVING WEEKLY!!!!! So I don't have any idea if they actually sell anything else or not because I really don't plan to ever go in. > Raised beds babee! I have discussed raised beds with him. He has a bunch of reasons why not - even though he does understand all the advantages. Since he does most of the grunt work in the garden, I'm inclined to let him do it his way. I did mention that I was going to build a raised bed in one corner of the dog pen. I thought I'd make a little herb garden with rabbit proof fence all around it. Then the herbs would be much closer to the house than the garden is and I'd be much more likely to run out and snip off some while I'm cooking. The soil's not great there so raising it and filling it with good soil sounded like a perfect solution to me. He complained about how I was going about it and about all my spring projects until I reminded him that there had been no mention of his participation in this particular project. And that I actually preferred that he stay out of this one since he was making it way more work and a bigger deal than I was. So now, he's going to help with raising the bed up and bringing in some good dirt - doing it my way and then letting me take care of it from there on. Amazing. It's only taken me 36 years to get him trained to this level. Dogs are much easier. Judy "Judy" <doubleq@cableracer.com> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: > I did mention that I was going to build a raised bed in one > corner of the dog pen. Lots of nitrogen! Signature--Matt. Rocky's a Dog. > I stopped into my mom-n-pop store yesterday for Canidae. Talk about "sign > of the times" - The sign out front said "Wheat free pet foods available > here". Speaking of responses to the recalls, our local hippie-granola co-op/grocery store actually called or sent e-mails to all their members after some of Royal Canin's products, which they sell, were recalled. *boggle* Now *that* is being proactive. > I sent my brother there to switch his cat to Felidae when his > vet-sold prescription food was recalled. Guess he wasn't their only new > customer, huh? Probably not! > The only Felidae Platinum they carry is in the smallest bag. He asked about > larger bags and they said he was the first one to ask - wait a minute and > they'd check. No problem ordering it for him - just give them 24 hours > notice. Not bad service either. That's how the folks at T&T are. It's such a nice change to go into a shop and actually have someone take your needs seriously. In contrast, I went to Target to pick up envelopes and was told I was the nth person to ask for them that day. The Target Elf said that they are rearranging the stationery section, and that they don't re-order items in departments they are reorganizing. Well, it's not like plain old white envelopes are going to go out of style or anything. Sheesh! Thankfully, Crap-Mart is right next door, so I found my envelopes, but lordy, was it a pain in my behindermost! > And while he was there a couple of days ago, he discovered that they also > fill propane canisters - for about 10% less than Agway does. So yet another > win-win. That's one of the things I love about small towns. Spencer has a place that is a tanning salon, travel agency, and quick lube. And the U-Haul place is also a car wash and cell phone dealership. > So maybe a really good side effect of all this is that these mom-n-pop > stores will get more support. As will the farmers' markets and the > sustainable farms. In the short term, at least, that seems to be what's happening. > This given morning, DH isn't so sure it's a good thing. I made him double > the size of our garden this year. And he knows it's not just the additional > ground-breaking that's the real work. Fortunately, once he gets over his > grumbling, he really enjoys working in the garden. My mom is like that (well, not the grumbly part). She really, really likes gardening. I don't exactly hate it, but I have to continually remind myself that the end product will be worth the effort. Now, if I could garden in *winter*, I'd be much more enthusiastic about it! SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) The Target Elf said > that they are rearranging the stationery section, and that they don't > re-order items in departments they are reorganizing. Well, it's not like > plain old white envelopes are going to go out of style or anything. > Sheesh! The same thing has been happening at the grocery store I go to the most - only because I'm usually right next door to it when I pick up drugs. They've been moving stuff around - not totally remodelling but about half the store has changed. For a solid month now there has been no Jif peanut butter. Jif was not recalled. There is really no reason to not have it when they have all the other brands. There were some other things that they didn't have once or twice but have now been restocked. But still no Jif. I keep most staples pretty well stocked ahead but I think DH can now see the bottom of the last jar of Jif. Gonna have to do something about that. > My mom is like that (well, not the grumbly part). She really, really > likes gardening. I don't exactly hate it, but I have to continually > remind myself that the end product will be worth the effort. DH really does enjoy it. He doesn't quite have his mother's green thumb but then very few do. But he does pretty well. I like working in the garden when I want to. Which means when the weather's nice and the work is relatively easy. Oh and also when *I* want to do it and not when *someone* else says that it needs to be done. Judy Shelly <scouvrette@yahoo.com> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: > My mom is like that (well, not the grumbly part). She > really, really likes gardening. I don't exactly hate it, > but I have to continually remind myself that the end > product will be worth the effort. No, it's not. Farmers' markets have great produce for a fraction of the price and labour of rolling your own. The first year in my house I planted a vegetable garden where the previous owner had a few years before. I spent an hour a day getting rid of tiny weeds. Then I was away for a weekend and the weeds grew to extraordinary heights. I gave up. Nine years later, the weeds aren't doing so well. Ignore them and they'll go away. There's a wonderful farmer's market which shames even my then image of the wonderful produce I'd grow. Signature--Matt. Rocky's a Dog. "Shelly" <scouvrette@yahoo.com> wrote in message: > He must be! However, Harriet says that you don't have to be big to > get stuff off the fridge, you just need rocket boosters in your legs. I was talking to my vet about Melatonin, and asked if she knew whether it disrupted sleep cycles or made dogs groggy. She said that she's pretty sure that it doesn't, 'cause she's been using them on a pair of Boxers, and if they've gotten any less boingy, she would've noticed. I of course, immediately thought of Harriet and her fridge-top raiding ways. Suja > I was talking to my vet about Melatonin, and asked if she knew whether it > disrupted sleep cycles or made dogs groggy. She said that she's pretty sure > that it doesn't, 'cause she's been using them on a pair of Boxers, and if > they've gotten any less boingy, she would've noticed. What does she give to dogs melatonin for? My mom takes it occasionally as a sleep aid, but I've never heard of dogs having insomnia. > I of course, > immediately thought of Harriet and her fridge-top raiding ways. Thankfully, my current fridge is set into the wall. Haw! No more fridge-top raiding for Miss Brown. SignatureShelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) "Shelly" <scouvrette@yahoo.com> wrote in message: > What does she give to dogs melatonin for? Atypical Cushing's. We're crossing that bridge before we get to it. > My mom takes it > occasionally as a sleep aid, but I've never heard of dogs having > insomnia. Well, I have a hard time figuring out exactly how much 'sleep' dogs get, and just exactly how to define it. > Thankfully, my current fridge is set into the wall. Haw! No more > fridge-top raiding for Miss Brown. Miss Brown would have a ball here. There may be no food on top of the refrigerator, but there is plenty on the countertops. Here is something I don't understand. When I open a new bag of dog food, I usually just leave it leaning up against Pan's couch, right under her nose (until I get help in transferring half the food to the bag in the container and put away the rest) when she's resting with her head on the arm rest. She has never once made an effort to get into it, or shown any interest in it. I take the stuff out and put it in a bowl, and all of a sudden, she's acting like she hasn't been fed in months. Even includes bubble blowing, drooling copiously and making Chewbacca noises. Suja > "Shelly" <scouvrette@yahoo.com> wrote in message: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Suja And I have made sure not to mention to anyone here about rocket booster legs. Beth > Anyone who says the companies whose products were recalled have no > culpability lives in a different reality than I do. Of course they are to blame, who else could be? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > <sriddles@aol.com> whittled the following words: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > There were no recalls on Science Diet dry "DOG" foods, and only one recall > on Science diet dry prescription cat food. The point is, because the recall started out small and keeps expanding, and includes so-called "premium" brands that people pay extra for, as well as "store" brands, we are supposed to believe that NO pet food is safe. It is horse sh.t. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >It is horse sh.t. It would be, if that were what people are saying. But they're not. It seems to me that the question here is how to deal with imperfect information. (Choosing not to buy from a company whose products were affected because you don't like their manufacturing processes [or anything else about them] doesn't fall into that category.) Given just how broad this recall was and given how many feeds across the quality spectrum were affected, a default posture of suspicion seems pretty reasonable to me. SignatureMelinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore@panix.com Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community >The odd thing is, I don't see anyone around me, except newsgroup >folks, who seem all that concerned. And are their pets sick or dying? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > >The odd thing is, I don't see anyone around me, except newsgroup > >folks, who seem all that concerned. > > And are their pets sick or dying? No--but I hope it doesn't take dead cats for people to at least show enough concern to take 5 minutes and regularly do a search for newly recalled food. What I meant was, it's like the very first recall list came out, it caused a little stir and that was it. It seems like so many people I talk to don't even realize the original recall list was expanded to include so many products. I'm not freaking out -- but I think due vigilence is in order. It's not that hard to stay' current on the recall info. Sherry Sherry |
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