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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / August 2003toothache /diet
hi i have an 10-12 year old tom cat who in fairly good health but hes being suffering from a toothache. i brought him to the vets this morning but the vet said he wouldnt risk removing the tooth because hes to old and the best thing to do would be finding him foods that are easier for him to chew. ive tried the tined foods he usually eats (wiskas beef and beef n liver) but they seem to be causing him discomfort. anyone got any ideas on foods that i can get for him which would be easier on his teeth . > hi i have an 10-12 year old tom cat who in fairly good health but hes being > suffering from a toothache. i brought him to the vets this morning but the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they seem to be causing him discomfort. anyone got any ideas on foods that i > can get for him which would be easier on his teeth . Hmm. If a blood panel show he is ok for anesthesia, it's better to have it out. Infections can lead to wose diseases. My mothers cat had teeth removed as late as 14 y.o. It may be the vet is not comfortable with dental procedures. You might look for one who is. Karen >the vets this morning but the vet said he >wouldnt risk removing the tooth because >hes to old and the best thing to do would >be finding him foods that are easier for >him to chew. Please find another vet ASAP. Any vet that thinks a 10 year old cat is "too old" to have dental work shouldn't be in practice. I have an 11 year old cat that is at the vet right now having a dental (I just called to check on her and she's under anesthesia as we speak.) I had bloodwork done before the dental to make sure she's in good health and they are using a gas anesthesia (isoflurane) and have her on IV fluids during the procedure. I have had cats as old as 15 get dental work and as long as some precautions are taken they have been fine. Please find a vet that is used to working with older cats and knows what they are doing. It is cruel to force this cat to suffer with tooth pain indefinitely when it can be fixed. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >I have an 11 >year old cat that is at the vet right now having a dental (I just called >to check on her and she's under anesthesia as we speak.) I had bloodwork >done before the dental to make sure she's in good health and they are >using a gas anesthesia (isoflurane) and have her on IV fluids during the >procedure. Our six year old cat just had dental work done using gas anesthesia and with IV fluids during the procedure. Is it getting more common to use fluids during the procedure? Do you know what the benefit is? I just wonder because I don't recall that with our other cat the last time she had a cleaning, although that was a while ago, and it was just a cleaning then, no extractions. >> I have an 11 >> year old cat that is at the vet right now having a dental (I just >> called >> to check on her and she's under anesthesia as we speak.) I had >> bloodwork >> done before the dental to make sure she's in good health and they are >> using a gas anesthesia (isoflurane) and have her on IV fluids during >> the procedure. > > Our six year old cat just had dental work done using gas anesthesia > and with IV fluids during the procedure. Is it getting more common to > use fluids during the procedure? Do you know what the benefit is? I > just wonder because I don't recall that with our other cat the last > time she had a cleaning, although that was a while ago, and it was > just a cleaning then, no extractions. This is just a guess, but maybe it keeps the kidneys flushed of the bacteria in the mouth when there is bleeding? Good question. I have to get Shamrock (aka stinky breath) one very soon and I'd like to be prepared for that, though he is young (~2yrs). >Is it getting more common to use fluids >during the procedure? I think so. My vet always offers it for younger cats, and *requires* it for cats aged 10 years or older. >Do you know what the benefit is? I did a quick search to make sure I had all the info. There are several benefits. IV fluids administered during surgery: -Help prevent life-threatening hypo-tension (low blood pressure) - Aid in renal (kidney) function - Assist with metabolism of anaesthetic and may speed recovery - Allow quick access to veins if there is a need to administer medication(s) - Help to maintain body temperature and prevent hypothermia (when IV fluids are warmed) Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >>Is it getting more common to use fluids >>during the procedure? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >- Help to maintain body temperature and prevent hypothermia (when IV >fluids are warmed) Thanks for the info. I thought it was mainly for older cats with CRF, but our cat doesn't have that. I also sort of wonder if the IV fluids could have any adverse effects. Instead of a quick recovery, our cat took a long time--two days before she was back to normal. But she did have three extractions, two of them rear molars which are big teeth, and she was under anesthesia for longer than usual. I was wondering if it's possible for them to get too much IV fluids. She didn't drink any water or other liquids that evening or the entire following day, yet urinated profusely four times in that time period. It seems to me she sure must have gotten a lot of fluids, to go that long without wanting anything to drink. > >>Is it getting more common to use fluids > >>during the procedure? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > to me she sure must have gotten a lot of fluids, to go that long without > wanting anything to drink. One (a person, at any rate, so I would guess any other mammal) does pee a lot if getting IV fluids. The 2-day recovery period sounds like a long time to me, though. In contrast, Debbie - who was about 5 - 6 at the time - had 5 teeth out once & was virtually back to normal by the time I picked her up later that day. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon >> Thanks for the info. I thought it was mainly for older cats with CRF, but >our [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >One (a person, at any rate, so I would guess any other mammal) does pee a >lot if getting IV fluids. What was curious to me was that she was peeing a lot that evening and the next day, but taking in no liquids. She did eat a little dry kibble, but no liquids. Seems like the IV fluids would have gone through her by the end of the first evening. When I've had IV fluids I'm pretty sure I was back to normal the next day, but I can't recall for sure. >The 2-day recovery period sounds like a long time to me, though. In >contrast, Debbie - who was about 5 - 6 at the time - had 5 teeth out once & >was virtually back to normal by the time I picked her up later that day. Wow, five teeth at once! Poor thing. Our cat was pretty wobbly when she came home, and better the next day but still a little unsteady on her feet until the following day. The vet said that one of her teeth was causing her pain even under anesthesia, so I wonder if he gave her a little too much after that. Our other cat has had a couple of dental cleanings but by the time she came home she was pretty much okay, just cranky. But she never had any extractions. Personally, I don't consider 10 - 12 too old for a dental workup - with extracting that tooth; your cat probably has a good 5 - 7 years ahead of him, maybe more. If the vet takes some pre-op precautions, he should be fine. I know *I* sure wouldn't want to be stuck w/ a toothache forever! I'd take him to another nearby vet for a second opinion if this vet refuses to consider getting that painful tooth out of there. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > hi i have an 10-12 year old tom cat who in fairly good health but hes being > suffering from a toothache. i brought him to the vets this morning but the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they seem to be causing him discomfort. anyone got any ideas on foods that i > can get for him which would be easier on his teeth . I agree. My parent's cat had teeth removed when she was 14, and it helped her greatly. Rene > Personally, I don't consider 10 - 12 too old for a dental workup - with > extracting that tooth; your cat probably has a good 5 - 7 years ahead of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > i > > can get for him which would be easier on his teeth . > hi i have an 10-12 year old tom cat who in fairly good health but hes being > suffering from a toothache. i brought him to the vets this morning but the > vet said he wouldnt risk removing the tooth because hes to old That is ridiculous. Never go back to that vet for anything. Far older cats than yours have the procedure. Even cats that have medical conditions that require extra caution have it. >and the best > thing to do would be finding him foods that are easier for him to chew. Nonsense. Do that, the tooth will only get worse, and problems spread to other teeth. Left uncared for you risk kidney disease, failure, and death. ive > tried the tined foods he usually eats (wiskas beef and beef n liver) but > they seem to be causing him discomfort. anyone got any ideas on foods that i > can get for him which would be easier on his teeth . Take him to another vet. Standard procedure to have a full checkup, bloodwork, then be scheduled for a full cleaning of his teeth, and extractions of those teeth that require it. Cat comes home, heals, can eat anything, goes on to live for years.... You should have been taking the cat in for periodic cleaning of teeth through the years. > hi i have an 10-12 year old tom cat who in fairly good health but hes being > suffering from a toothache. i brought him to the vets this morning but the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they seem to be causing him discomfort. anyone got any ideas on foods that i > can get for him which would be easier on his teeth . Dear Gerard, I routinely anesthetize cats 17 to 20 years old. In the right hands, anesthesia is perfectly safe for an otherwise healthy 10 to 12 year old cat. Although it is difficult to second-guess the opinion of the doctor who has actually examined him, your cat's quality of life would most likely be greatly improved by addressing that tooth (and likely others similarly affected). Feel free to contact me at petdentist<at>yahoo.com should you have any additional questions. Sincerely, Milinda Lommer, DVM Diplomate, American Veterinary Dental College Aggie Animal Dental Service San Francisco, CA >From: "Milinda Lommer, DVM" petdentist@NOSPAMyahoo.com >Dear Gerard, > >I routinely anesthetize cats 17 to 20 years old. In the right hands, >anesthesia is perfectly safe for an otherwise healthy 10 to 12 year old cat. My 17 year old cat had some tooth extractions and it really helped her. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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