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Nutro Gourmet Chicken Dry Food..
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bluedove - 25 Apr 2007 01:43 GMT Hello,
I haven't posted here for several years since my Blue boy passed away in late 2004. But now I am brought back to ponder (and I know that I can't be the only* one out there wondering) if I can trust the Nutro brand for any of their cat foods? Or, if I can trust any* of the cat food brands out there?
I'd bought the Nutro Gourmet wet cat food in the pouches only a few times, and fortunately, my 2 cats hated it, and wouldn't touch, even as seemingly healthy and 'natural' the ingredients appeared to be. I have been feeding them, primarily, (roasted) Fancy Feast, as they like the gooey, gravy types. But, for 3 years I have been buying (in large amts) Nutro Gourmet Chicken dry* cat food (in the orange bag). I was lead to believe that it was a mid to high grade quality, and my two guys, Dove + Gabe really love it. I have never met any cat didn't love it.
Yet, now with the pet food recall, I noticed that the 4th or 5th ingredient listed in the Nutro Gourmet brand is 'Wheat gluten'. Now I'm totally afraid to buy it, ever again. I feel duped by the company, but mainly, IMO, the company' reputation has been damaged. I just don't trust them any more. IMO, the company charged a high cost, materially and literally, for so-called 'high quality' ingredients. Yet, many 'cheaper' brands like Authority and Special Kitty used the same exact source for the wheat gluten.
Now I am left wondering why* would the Nutro company use a separate* source for their wheat gluten to put in their Dry food?! I haven't heard or seen a peep of a comment from the company or media about this obvious question.
Do anyone have any holistic, good quality brands they are now using and would recommend buying?
Comments, thoughts?
ML
oldhickory - 25 Apr 2007 02:27 GMT I've been feeding Nutro kibble to my 3 since 2004. I've also been feeding them Nutro gourmet (canned, on the recall list). Obviously, I quit feeding the canned since the recall, though the canned varieties I feed them were not in the initial recall--they were not recalled until the second wave.
On the other hand, I had a siamese http://www.davidandmollie.com/kitties/twinkle/twinknew.htm that passed away in summer 2003, from kidney failure, and we thought it was very strange but since my father was in the hospital on a ventilator at the time we didn't have the bandwidth to look into it. She was only 11.
We feed her a variety of kibbles and cans all of her life---from Meow Mix to Iams. We never served Nutro products until after she passed away, when a rescue person suggested we use their canned kitten food to get a new adoptee to take her meds. She said she'd never had a kitten turn down their canned chicken and liver kitten food.
I don't know that Nutro is worth singling out. I think it's the lax enforcement of import regs, and the way we've taught emerging countries to lie cheat and steal to get ahead that's to blame.
Why, with all the crops we have here, are we importing FOOD products from countries with no safety controls???
Lastly, using one source for our foods --whatever the source--is risky. If there's a problem it's a problem for all. Diversity is a good thing, just careful and well-planned. Just like planting all of one kind of crop or tree is dangerous. If we wipe it out--we have nothing to fall back on...but don't get me started....
 Signature ie ride fast, take chances.
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > ML cindys - 25 Apr 2007 02:52 GMT I am currently using canned Wellness (finally!) which is human grade food and contains no grains! I had previously used Pet Promise, which is also human grade. The main reason I switched to Wellness was that the Pet Promise contained too many carbohydrates for my formerly diabetic cat, but the carbohydrates are in the form of brown rice and potatoes, no glutens of any sort. For dry food, I have been using Purina OM (overweight management) which does contain wheat gluten and corn gluten. I was at the veterinary office yesterday. The tech told me that the Purina company had reassured them that the OM does not contain any contaminated gluten. The tech further stated that many of their clients feed their animals Purina OM and there has not been one single client who has experienced any problem. FWIW. The vast majority of the Science Diet dry foods do not contain any wheat, wheat gluten, or other wheat products, but they do contain corn gluten. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > ML Luna's Mom - 25 Apr 2007 03:30 GMT > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > ML I feed Luna the Nutro dry hairball management chicken flavor. It has NO wheat gluten but it does have corn gluten, so I started to freak out a bit with word of more contaminations. I think it is worth noting that NONE of their dry foods have been recalled, though I have been feeling like you do and wondering if they are to be trusted. FWIW, here is what I got from them by email just yesterday:
________________________________________________________________________ April 23, 2007
Dear Nutro Customers,
We know many of you have questions about the FDA's latest reports that melamine was found in rice protein concentrate (also referred to as rice gluten). We want to address those concerns as well as provide you with information on our use of corn gluten, which we include in some of our pet foods as an ingredient in the form of corn gluten meal.
Our customers have also brought to our attention confusion that has been caused by the media in reporting the new recall of some Natural Balance pet foods. Natural Balance Pet Foods, Inc. is not in any way affiliated with Nutro Products nor Nutro's Natural Choice®, MAX® or Ultra™ brands.
I hope the following information is helpful in clearing up any confusion you may have.
Regarding Rice Protein Concentrate:
(1) Nutro uses rice protein concentrate in some of its products because it provides an important source of protein for pets, especially for those with digestive sensitivities and allergies.
(2) Independent laboratory tests have confirmed that the rice protein concentrate (also known as rice gluten) used in Nutro's pet foods does not contain melamine.
(3) It has been reported that the Natural Balance recall is focused on products containing rice protein concentrate provided by Wilbur-Ellis Company. Nutro has NEVER purchased or used rice protein concentrate from Wilbur-Ellis Company in any of our pet foods.
Regarding Corn Gluten:
(1) Nutro uses corn gluten meal in some of its pet foods because it is a source of sulfur amino acids, which are important for skin and coat health. Corn gluten meal also helps as a natural urine acidifier that is important for both cats and dogs.
(2) All of the corn gluten meal that Nutro uses in its products is produced in the United States.
Nutro customers may check Nutro's website (http://www.nutroproducts.com/) or contact our Consumer Hotline -- (800) 833-5330 -- for further information about our products. We will continue to post updated information on our website and our customer service representatives are working diligently to respond to each and every call and email personally.
We understand that the pet food recall has caused continued confusion and frustration and we are doing everything we can to provide you with the information you need about our products. We will continue to keep you updated.
Sincerely,
Dave Kravis President & CEO Nutro Products _________________________________________________________________________________
I'm not sure what to make of this and Luna will simply not tolerate a wet diet, so I am at a loss as to what is the right course of action in terms of feeding her. I've still been feeding her the nutro dry, nervously, which is a shitty way to feel, but again, not sure what to do or where to turn for now.
Pam
Meghan Noecker - 25 Apr 2007 04:38 GMT >I'm not sure what to make of this and Luna will simply not tolerate a >wet diet, so I am at a loss as to what is the right course of action in >terms of feeding her. I've still been feeding her the nutro dry, >nervously, which is a shitty way to feel, but again, not sure what to do >or where to turn for now. Royal Canin's website also explained a bit about using glutens. This is from their website:
Why is rice gluten even used in pet food?
Effective immediately, Royal Canin USA does not source any of its vegetable proteinsincluding rice glutenfrom China.
Also, Royal Canin USA is reviewing all of its supplier relationships to ensure that we continue to provide your pets with the highest quality ingredients available.
Prior to the recent issue with rice gluten from China, rice gluten (rice protein concentrate) has been a well-trusted and safe ingredient used by many responsible pet food manufacturers for decades.
Overall, rice gluten provides a highly-digestible and very useful form of protein. When compared with other grain-based ingredients, high-quality rice gluten has many positive attributes as a pet food ingredient because it is highly digestible, high in protein, and a good energy source that helps pets with their digestion and immune systems.
In addition to being an excellent protein source and having exceptional digestibility, high-quality rice gluten helps pets control gas (flatulence), reduce litter box odors, and improve their stool quality when compared with other grain-based ingredients.
So rice gluten is a good pet food ingredient, but why use rice gluten from China?
China is the worlds largest rice producer, and therefore, the largest exporter of rice gluten. Prior to this issue, rice gluten from China was considered very high quality because of its nutritional value.
Due to that earlier quality rating, Chinese rice gluten was actually one of the more expensive pet food ingredients, costing more than most meat proteins.
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They also stated that their corn gluten is from USA sources, none from overseas. I was getting really worried about that. I was planning to get bloodwork done to make sure he is okay. But I think the company has made sure their corn gluten is not contaminated. I would like to see it worded just a little bit clearer, but I decided to wait on bloodwork.
Bluedove - 27 Apr 2007 01:58 GMT > > Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > President & CEO > Nutro Products ____________________________________________________________________________ _____
> I'm not sure what to make of this and Luna will simply not tolerate a > wet diet, so I am at a loss as to what is the right course of action in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pam ***Thanks Pam.
I feel the same way. I am now trying holistic brand called, "California Natural" Chicken and Rice--( I know, I know, now when I see the word 'rice' mentioned in any form as an ingrediant, I just want to drop the darn bag and run out the store!). I hope it will be healthy and good for them. Has anyone else heard of this brand? Anyone vouch for it? It wasn't cheap, the 8 LB bag cost me almost $17.00.
Thanks for passing along the letter. Did you catch how they first pointed the finger at Natural Balance to try to deflect from the point that yes, they too have had a big recall. For some reason, to me, the letter seemed canned and ever so formal. I felt like I was reading a letter from the fox guarding the chicken coop or something, or maybe, I've become just too cynical..?
ML
Luna's Mom - 27 Apr 2007 03:22 GMT > ***Thanks Pam. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ML It is hard NOT to be cynical right now. Every time I get a new update from itchmo.com about another recall, I shiver at the thought that Luna's food could be next. I keep a close eye on her and will call the vet at the first sign of something seeming wrong. But, I know that is NOT a fool-proof method of keeping her safe.
I need to get her some more food. I am thinking of trying the California Naturalor maybe the Innova or Felidae.
Ugh. What a M E S S!
NedF - 27 Apr 2007 04:16 GMT > It is hard NOT to be cynical right now. Every time I get a new update > from itchmo.com about another recall, I shiver at the thought that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ugh. What a M E S S! I just tried the Felidae for my cat and she vomited it up right back into her bowl. :( Luckily, Trader Joe's is selling their canned cat food again so it's back to that and I hope it will continue to be safe. My cat is so old I'm afraid any little thing is going to do her in! She's been surviving mostly on Beechnut baby food for the past 2 weeks and I know it's not good to feed her that for very long.
Here is a pic of my kitty:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/fatmohawk/printythun.jpg
PawsForThought - 27 Apr 2007 17:45 GMT > I just tried the Felidae for my cat and she vomited it up right back > into her bowl. :( [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/fatmohawk/printythun.jpg Very cute kitty :) If you have a Whole Foods market near you, they have their own brand of petfood that is supposed to be safe. There is also another brand, Petguard, that they carry. As always though, I would always recommend checking directly with the petfood company to ensure the food is safe (until they recall it, of course).
I feed my cats a raw homemade diet. Yes it's definitely more work, but I've never been happier that I feed them that than now with all these recalls. Very scarey times for our furkids.
NedF - 28 Apr 2007 04:41 GMT > Very cute kitty :) > If you have a Whole Foods market near you, they have their own brand [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but I've never been happier that I feed them that than now with all > these recalls. Very scarey times for our furkids. Hi, There is a Whole Foods market nearby so I may try that. Thanks for the suggestion. I tried the raw diet for my cat, and while she would eat it, I was totally grossed out by it! I just can't stand the smell of raw meat. Uck! I'm tempted to go back to making it though!
Bluedove - 28 Apr 2007 20:36 GMT > > Very cute kitty :) > > If you have a Whole Foods market near you, they have their own brand [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > but I've never been happier that I feed them that than now with all > > these recalls. Very scarey times for our furkids.
> Hi, > There is a Whole Foods market nearby so I may try that. Thanks for the > suggestion. I tried the raw diet for my cat, and while she would eat > it, I was totally grossed out by it! I just can't stand the smell of > raw meat. Uck! I'm tempted to go back to making it though! **Ned,
You might want to buy Gerber brand jars of baby food and fee this to you cat. I have done this many times in the past, when Blue was ill or just not eating. The 'Veal' 'Turkey' and 'Ham' were his favorites. Sometimes, I'd but the 'carrot' kind and mix that in with the Veal. All my kitties love it when I buy it for them and now I think that what I will be doing also. You can 'jazz it up' by either warming it slightly and/or, adding salt on it which I often did for Blue. If you have never bought Gerber ( that's the brand I'd personally recommend), I think you and your cat will be very pleased. I always noticed when Blue was having stomach and many different health issues, he'd always seem to 'spring back' after eating the baby food. I would pour the whole jar on a saucer for him and he'd lick away :-). I figured, if it's safe for babies... well.
Also, if this is a long term type of feeding, then I'd call a good, trusted Vet and request them to concoct a special cat multi-vitamin with taurine etc, in compound-( power), especially for your Kitty. And, I would remind them of your cats exact weight. Then you pick up it at a pharmacy that makes special request compounds, and you'll be all set to just mix some in with his food.
Good luck,
ML
blkcatgal - 25 Apr 2007 04:38 GMT You could try Innova or Felidae. Neither uses wheat gluten, corn gluten or rice gluten.
Sue
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > ML NedF - 26 Apr 2007 05:26 GMT In regards to imported wheat gluten, I was reading this guy's blog - http://evansmediausa.blog.com/1709130/ and I found this bit really disturbing:
"****According to an AP news release on April 20, the Chinese authorities had told the FDA that the wheat gluten was an industrial product not meant for pet food.****
This is the pivotal point. Was there any deliberate contamination by the Chinese, and if so, why? Melamine is more costly than gluten.
The FDA's Dr. Sundlof stated at the onset of this debacle that melamine is used in the manufacture of plastics and may have been deliberately added as a cheap fake protein supplement to inflate the protein content. But gluten, be it of corn, wheat or rice origin, is used in the manufacture of new generation biodegradable plastic utensils, grocery bags etc.
This leaves me with the terrible thought that the multinational pet food industry, following the economistic mandate of lowest-cost feed formulation based on simplistic nitrogen/protein and other ingredient assays in their 'scientific' formulation of 'balanced' diets for pets, thought they could get a good deal by incorporating industrial grade product gluten in pet foods. But what they actually purchased on the world market was never intended for human or animal consumption, but for the manufacture of biodegradable food containers, utensils and plastic shopping bags. This is essentially what went into pet foods, causing untold numbers to suffer, and many to die. May be industrial grade soy with melamine, imported from China, is also in some manufactured pet foods, and these will be on recall next.
The high morbidity and mortality rate in dogs and cats associated with this largest pet food recall ever could well have been aggravated by other chemical contaminants in pet foods that can harm the kidneys, liver, digestive, endocrine, immune and other systems of our animal companions. And the industrial crops of corn, wheat and rice, and possibly soy, grown in China for biodegradable plastic manufacture, could well have been genetically engineered, raising additional health and environmental concerns. But the details of this may never be fully unraveled."
I think I'll just start growing my own food!
blkcatgal - 27 Apr 2007 00:29 GMT The Chinese have admitted that there was melamine in the wheat and rice glutens but that's not what is killing the dogs and cats. Check out www.itchmo.com.
Sue
> In regards to imported wheat gluten, I was reading this guy's blog - > http://evansmediausa.blog.com/1709130/ [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I think I'll just start growing my own food! NedF - 27 Apr 2007 03:55 GMT Actually, the chinese said "The ministry said the contaminated vegetable protein managed to get past customs without inspection because it had not been declared for use in pet food." according to ichmo. I would not find it a big stretch that the American supplier bought the low grade industrial stuff thinking they could get away with it. The only way to know would be to see what the invoice says. It's easy to blame the Chinese though, since they have a well known corruption problem at all levels of government.
> The Chinese have admitted that there was melamine in the wheat and rice > glutens but that's not what is killing the dogs and cats. Check outwww.itchmo.com. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > > I think I'll just start growing my own food! Meghan Noecker - 27 Apr 2007 06:56 GMT >Actually, the chinese said "The ministry said the contaminated >vegetable protein managed to get past customs without inspection [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >It's easy to blame the Chinese though, since they have a well known >corruption problem at all levels of government. What other purpose would there be for the wheat and rice gluten? Other than people or pet food?
Are they claiming they sold it as melamine that was laced with wheat gluten?
It doesn't make any sense for a food product to not be intended for food. And for that food product to have something in that just happens to help it test out as a higher quality food product.
Personally, I think they are just trying to cover up the intentional contamination. And I really think we need to do something to punish them financially, especially since they are refusing to cooperate.
NedF - 27 Apr 2007 07:38 GMT > >Actually, the chinese said "The ministry said the contaminated > >vegetable protein managed to get past customs without inspection [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What other purpose would there be for the wheat and rice gluten? Other > than people or pet food? PLASTICS MANUFACTURING
> Are they claiming they sold it as melamine that was laced with wheat > gluten? NO
> It doesn't make any sense for a food product to not be intended for > food. And for that food product to have something in that just happens > to help it test out as a higher quality food product. IT'S
> Personally, I think they are just trying to cover up the intentional > contamination. And I really think we need to do something to punish > them financially, especially since they are refusing to cooperate.
>From above: "The FDA's Dr. Sundlof stated at the onset of this debacle that melamine is used in the manufacture of plastics and may have been deliberately added as a cheap fake protein supplement to inflate the protein content. But gluten, be it of corn, wheat or rice origin, is used in the manufacture of new generation biodegradable plastic utensils, grocery bags etc."
Just because something is called wheat
NedF - 27 Apr 2007 07:45 GMT OOPS
> > >Actually, the chinese said "The ministry said the contaminated > > >vegetable protein managed to get past customs without inspection [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > contamination. And I really think we need to do something to punish > > them financially, especially since they are refusing to cooperate. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT BEFORE ANY ACTION CAN BE TAKEN. WOULDN'T YOU ALSO WANT TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT THE US MANUFACTURER DELIBERATELY USED INDUSTRIAL WHEAT GLUTEN AS A FOOD ADDITIVE?
> >From above: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > used in the manufacture of new generation biodegradable plastic > utensils, grocery bags etc." Meghan Noecker - 27 Apr 2007 08:24 GMT >YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT BEFORE ANY ACTION CAN BE TAKEN. WOULDN'T YOU >ALSO WANT TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT THE US MANUFACTURER DELIBERATELY >USED INDUSTRIAL WHEAT GLUTEN AS A FOOD ADDITIVE? You really think multiple food companies around the world intentionly chose to import industrial plastic as cat food?
You think they really wanted to risk their repuations and face lawsuits over this?
And doesn't it seem odd that companies around the world had the same problem with wheat gluten, rice gluten, AND corn gluten - all at the same time?
You think it is more likely that China is telling the truth? They are known for not requiring health and safety rules that we require. Have you seen how they sell live animals in their markets? Live cats trapped in tiny cages with dead cats and feces. Being sold for somebody's dinner? Do you think they care if our cats die?
Are you aware of where a lot of diseases start? Bird flue? SARS? There are reasons for that - poor hygiene in regard to food.
NedF - 27 Apr 2007 07:47 GMT google groups sucks for posting. If you read the blog I linked to above, you'd be better informed on this issue.
Meghan Noecker - 27 Apr 2007 08:29 GMT >google groups sucks for posting. If you read the blog I linked to >above, you'd be better informed on this issue. You might quote part of what you are replying to.
Unless the post is download at the same time as the post it is replying to, there will be no reference in the reader showing who it is replying to.
I also checked google, and their site doesn't seem to show the tree format anybody, just a list of posts with no way to see how the posts relate to each other.
It makes it a lot easier to follow a conversation if you include at least a little section of what you are replying to.
NedF - 27 Apr 2007 17:43 GMT > >google groups sucks for posting. If you read the blog I linked to > >above, you'd be better informed on this issue. > > You might quote part of what you are replying to. Why? You won't read it. Bye troll.
Meghan Noecker - 28 Apr 2007 00:28 GMT >> >google groups sucks for posting. If you read the blog I linked to >> >above, you'd be better informed on this issue. >> >> You might quote part of what you are replying to. > >Why? You won't read it. Bye troll. I've been on usenet since 1993. I am not a troll. Just because you are new to usenet does not mean a person you don't know is a troll.
And if you did quote something, I would have read it, known who you were replying to, and gone on to the next post without commenting.
Meghan Noecker - 27 Apr 2007 08:13 GMT >> >Actually, the chinese said "The ministry said the contaminated >> >vegetable protein managed to get past customs without inspection [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >PLASTICS MANUFACTURING So a companymaking plastic would intentionally buy wheat or rice gluten?
If so, would it be more or less valuable to them if it had melamine in it? It seems odd that it would be labeled wheat gluten if the customer would actually prefer it to have melaine in it. And there would be reaon to not mention the melamine if it wasn't intended to be used as food.
NedF - 27 Apr 2007 17:42 GMT You are obviously narrow minded and uninformed. I have neither the time nor inclination to educate someone too lazy to read the above posts. But don't let that stop your trolling.
> >> >Actually, the chinese said "The ministry said the contaminated > >> >vegetable protein managed to get past customs without inspection [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > would be reaon to not mention the melamine if it wasn't intended to be > used as food.
> >YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT BEFORE ANY ACTION CAN BE TAKEN. WOULDN'T YOU > >ALSO WANT TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT THE US MANUFACTURER DELIBERATELY [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Are you aware of where a lot of diseases start? Bird flue? SARS? There > are reasons for that - poor hygiene in regard to food. Meghan Noecker - 28 Apr 2007 00:26 GMT >You are obviously narrow minded and uninformed. I have neither the >time nor inclination to educate someone too lazy to read the above >posts. But don't let that stop your trolling. You are obviously new to usenet and do not understand the system. It is considered netiquette to quote some of what you are replying to.
And anybody with a real newsreader knows that the posts you are gone once they are deleted off your own server, so I cannot go back and read the above posts since there are no posts above.
If I go to google's webpage, I can read all previous posts, but they are not shown in a tree format, so while I can read all of your posts, there is no clue showing who you are replying to.
If you want to be taken serious, learn about usenet (not google groups) before you respond to a valid post.
Bluedove - 27 Apr 2007 01:42 GMT Ned,
All I can say is... Wow! I am with you as far as just simply cooking for my guys. Or, since I am far too busy to do this everyday, more realistically, I guess I can buy Gerber baby food jars of a huge variety and feed them that, but I know that it would not* meet all of their different nutritional needs. but thanks for sending this interesting article/blog.
I finally called a vet here in Tally that I trust and went by yesterday after I got off work & bought an 8 LB bag of (chicken and rice) "California Natural" dry. Anybody have comments on this brand? If so, pleease let me know what your thoughts and experience is with this brand. My guys really like it alot when I bought it in the past before all this recall nightmare, and I was very impressed with all of the ingredients. I drilled the poor vet techs behind the desk before I bought it and finally was assured it is 'safe', but my thoughts are, honestly, do we really* know what brand is* safe now, and what isn't safe, since there is a new darn list that seems to come out everyday now. I digress.
BTW, thanks to all who have responded to my post, I've read them all and appreciate your comments!
ML
> In regards to imported wheat gluten, I was reading this guy's blog - > http://evansmediausa.blog.com/1709130/ [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I think I'll just start growing my own food! NedF - 27 Apr 2007 04:00 GMT I don't know about California Natural quality but their website is excellent as far as information about what's in their food and why it's there. Check out the ingredients section at the bottom of this page: http://www.californianaturalpet.com/products/default.asp?id=1007 You can click on each ingredient and it says what it is and why it's there! I'd try that food if my cat wasn't allergic to fish!
> Ned, > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > I think I'll just start growing my own food! Bluedove - 28 Apr 2007 00:29 GMT Hi Ned,
So far, so good, with the California Natural brand. The "Chicken and Rice" dry cat food I bought does not* have any fish in it, as far as I could tell with the ingredients, and believe me, I read them and study them like a doctoral student under going her thesis these days.
Heck, it took me at least 15 minutes reading all of the by products crap, etc, that is all of of the ingredients of popular and common cat food that my Publix grocery carries. I have up, and said to heck with it, I'm calling my vet and buying that "Califronia Natural" that I was so impressed with months ago before this %$#& recall stuff happened.
And, as I said in my prior post, I am still left wondering just *why would* Nutro use a different* wheat gluten source (or whatever* is the toxin is that they have recalled that is in their products) for their popular Dry foods!? I think this is the 'tip of the iceberg', so to speak.
Slim/ML
> I don't know about California Natural quality but their website is > excellent as far as information about what's in their food and why [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > > > > I think I'll just start growing my own food! NedF - 28 Apr 2007 04:59 GMT Hi, I wish I could feed my cat that California Natural dry - it looks like a high quality food. My cat can't chew dry food though, so it's canned only for her. I'm tempted to try the canned even if it has fish. I did notice something unusual on their site - the "brown rice" ingredient is no longer clickable. I really hope they're just updating the infomation and not something more sinister.
Does Nutro use a different manufacturer for their dry food? I'm not really clear on who decides (the pet food company or their manufacturer) where the ingredients come from. It seems like some pet food companys are letting the manufacturers decide where they get their ingredients. This situation has become so huge I can't keep track of all the details anymore!
> Hi Ned, > [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > > > > I think I'll just start growing my own food! Luna's Mom - 28 Apr 2007 17:11 GMT > Does Nutro use a different manufacturer for their dry food? I'm not > really clear on who decides (the pet food company or their > manufacturer) where the ingredients come from. It seems like some pet > food companys are letting the manufacturers decide where they get > their ingredients. This situation has become so huge I can't keep > track of all the details anymore! Nutro does claim that they use a different manufacturer for their dry food and that all of their dry food is made here and from american companies...if I understood their updates correctly. If you go to their website, you can read them there. http://www.nutroproducts.com/
Pam
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