HOWEDY lynne (EXXXPLETIVE adjectives deleted),

Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES fear aggression and has
NO benefit for the kats you cruelly, inapupriately, needlessly,
indiscriminately MUTILATE.

YOU'RE INSANE.

THAT'S ABSURD.

                        HERE'S PROOF:

"Lynne" <unmonitored.email@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sdudnVHNP6BRQ7bbnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@insightbb.com...

       BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!:

"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:D_CdnT_1WNB3oQjYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@insightbb.com...

You mean kats an dogs gettin along together?

INDEEDY. You JUST GOT RID of a dog you couldn't
introduce to your kats DESPITE that he was O.K. with
kats at the barn he was sheltered at <{): ~ ( >

THEN you GOT RID OF his REPLACEMENT on
accHOWENTA he ATTACKED YOU for mishandlin
him.

NO PROBLEMO! It's a NASTY job, but someWON gotta do it...

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal an child abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case,

Oh? Oh, you mean like when HE CITES YOUR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORY of HURTIN dogs kats and kids, lynne you pathetic congenitally
defective active acute chronic long term incurable mental case?:

"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8OydnZy0xtXLTf7YnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@insightbb.com...

Naaaaah?

Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?

Have you had VonWillerbrand's DIS-EASE since birth, lynne?
AIN'T THAT CONGENITAL too, lynne? ETHICAL BREEDERS
DON'T BREED stock that got VWBD, do they?

Blech? Oh, that's your new screen name. Very nice choice.

It was difficult chosing which CASE HISTORY of yours to CITE FIRST,
so, we'll go for your TWO LAST DISMAL FAILURES returnin your last
two dogs to the shelters for behavior problems you caused and then
we'll take a look at your own congenitally defective children...

HERE'S HOWE COME you GOT RID of your last two dogs nearly
as soon as you brought them into your INSANE ASYLUM:

From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:27 am
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

ugh.  Curiosity got the best of me and I read that
crap on AOL.  I feel dirty, and nauseous.

My unsolicited advice to all involved: ignore it.  Ask yourself if
their opinions *really* matter to you.  Besides, they'll find a new
carcass to gather 'round soon enough, bunch of vultures.

             --------------

Re: Houston, we have a problem - dogs & cats

I probably will talk to the GR rescue again about adopting,
once the sting wears off.  I actually plan to call them
tomorrow to let them know the Lab didn't work out and why.

I called the gal from the GR rescue on the way home with
Bailey Friday to tell her I had found a dog and was very
excited.  She was excited for me.  Everyone at that rescue
has been great to deal with.

Thanks, everyone, for all the words of support.  I honestly
thought I might get flamed to hell and back for returning him.
I feel better, and do now believe I did the right thing.

I wasn't feeling that way yesterday at all.

I was also absolutely heartsick.

I was told he got along with cats, but I did not observe this myself.

Today I learned that the cats he has been around are barn cats and
they have never been indoors with him.  I'm not convinced he had any
interaction with them at all, knowing barn cats.  I guess I should
have
been more specific?

I was clear that my cats are indoor cats and that one is a tiny
kitten.
I also stated that we sleep in the bed with my dog and the cats.  I'm
honestly not sure what else I could have said. Obviously I should have
asked more in depth questions.

Hindsite is a bitch.

One of my primary requirements in a dog is one who has been around
cats and who is disinterested in them.  I made this clear up front and
we discussed this in respect to Bailey.  Bailey was extremely
aggressive
towards them.  It scared me.  Bailey is now back at the rescue.

I  cried  the whole way back with him, because he is perfect in every
other way (really amazing, actually), but our cats are as important to
us as are our dogs.

When I talked to the director of the rescue, she said she would have
beaten him for that behavior.  That's not my style at all, and I
can't
imagine that would be a good foundation for trusting, secure
relationship for Bailey.

I feel like I failed him.  My daughter hates me.  It doesn't help
that
her hamster died while she was on her trip and I had to tell her
tonight.

Oh, and I ate the $300 adoption fee.  Despite that, I donated some of
the things I bought for Bailey to the rescue.  We're going to take a
break
from looking for a dog.  I'm thinking of going to the shelter and
getting
a mutt puppy instead of an adult... at least any behavioral problems
would be of my own doing.  Judging by how Roxy behaves, it's nothing
I couldn't live with.

*sigh*
--
Lynne

Subject: Briar

1From: Lynne
Date: Thurs, Nov 30 2006 6:38 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

We had a long afternoon with the behaviorist and learned
quite a lot.  Unfortunately, Briar is not going to be staying
with us.  The behaviorist identified several concerns.

She feels certain that Briar and I can work together since we
are working together so well already.  She said it is obvious
he trusts me and is very attentive to me (he really is a good
boy).  She is concerned, however, that he gives absolutely no
warning before going into attack mode--which he did twice today.
She is also concerned about his bite inhibition, or lack thereof,
based on my wounds.

She said she doesn't think he is dog aggressive, but that he was
definitely resource guarding pretty much everything (including me)
and not only with Roxy, but also with her, the cats, and my kids
to varying degrees.

She said careful management was very likely to be a long term
obligation, along with continued work.  The work I don't mind,
because it's fun, but having a dog I may never be able to trust
isn't something I'm willing to do.  So that's that.

At this point I'm done with rescue.  I have a much better
understanding
of what these rescue dogs might need, and while I thought I'd be
doing
a good thing, I realize I'm just not cut out for it. So I am going to
get a
puppy from a shelter in the Spring next year or the year after and
raise
him or her to be well socialized and well behaved who will hopefully
be
as happy with our lifestyle as Roxy is.

Or maybe I won't.

Right now I'm psyched on a single dog household again.

Flame away.  I'm numb.
--
Lynne

Subject:    Briar bit me. Twice

1From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Nov 20 2006 7:46 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

and it would have been more if I hadn't gotten a hold of him...

For the past few days I've been giving Roxy and Briar kibbles as
rewards side by side.  I've been giving them simultaneously since
yesterday, instead of to Roxy first and then Briar.  I've seen
absolutely
no sign of problems, just two happy dogs following commands for
bites of kibble.

But tonight, Briar turned on Roxy and attacked her again.  I told him
no, which usually stops him in his tracks, but not this time.  So I
went
to grab his collar and he turned on me, snarling and growling.

He bit me twice before I got him under control.  I got him by the
collar,
lifted his front legs at least a foot in the air, and he was snarling
and
fighting to get at me.  I tossed him outside and shut the door.  He
continued snarling and lunged at the glass a few times while I stood
there.  Then he ran around the yard barking ferociously for a good 2
minutes.

I don't know if this is my fault or not, for rushing things, but I
can't
keep him now that I know he is willing to attack me.  I have to think
it was in his nature anyway and I triggered it.  I'm just not willing
to
keep a dog who will attack people.  Myself, I can handle it, but my
kids and their friends, other people--no way.

That's an unmanigeable situation for our lifestyle.

My daughter and I can't stop crying.  Damn.  Two strikes.  This
sucks.

When he's not in attack mode, he's the sweetest damn dog.

--
Lynne

"Every once in a while, the tables are turned and we get to share our
lives with an animal who takes care of their human." - Tara, rpdb

Subject: dog afraid of small children
1From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 4:41 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

the little Golden mix girl I am hoping to adopt is afraid of small
statured
children according to her foster family.  They don't know why, but
suspect
(of course) that she was mistreated by young children.  My kids are 11
and 16, but we do have friends with much younger children that we
will
spend time with and so I will want to make our new dog feel
comfortable
around little ones.  What is the best way to go about doing this?

Is it just a matter of gradual exposure to kind little ones?

Her reaction is to cower and try to get away from the children, BTW.
She has never been aggressive toward anyone.  I imagine if she were
cornered she might fear bite, but hasn't yet.  Naturally, I don't want
to
ever put her in a situation where she will feel the need to do so.

--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

Subject: prong collar with dominant dog collar as a backup

1From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 9:41 am
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

my dog is a puller and the dog I am likely to adopt has no leash
experience.  After reading about prong collars here, I am considering
getting one for each of them so we can work on their leash manners.

I was just reading on http://www.leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm about
using a dominant dog collar with a prong, as a safety backup.

I am confused, though.

The above page states:
"A perfect safety procedure is to use along with a prong is a
dominant
dog collar I offer this advise to ALL those trainers who use prong
collars.

It is not unheard of (see the email below) for a mistake to happen and
a
prong collar comes apart when you need it the most. By having a
dominant
dog collar on the dog at the same time as the prong this will never be
a
problem. Simply attach the clip on the leash to both the prong and
the
ring on the dominant dog collar."

But this page, http://www.leerburg.com/746.htm states:
"What handlers should not do with these collar is jerk on the
[dominant
dog] collar like you would with a prong collar. That's not how the
dominant
dogs collars are intended to be used. Jerking on a choke collar will
cause muscle damage to the dogs neck."

According to the first quote, when using the dominant dog collar with
the prong collar, they are attached to the same leash.  So wouldn't
jerking on the leash to give a correction with the prong collar be
dangerous with the dominant dog collar attached?

--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

Subject: prong collar with dominant dog collar as a backup
3From: Lynne
Date: Tues, Oct 17 2006 10:06 am
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
news:4pk93eFjah88U1@individual.net:

Ah, okay.  I didn't like that dominant dog collar idea.

Will definitely fit it right. That's why I was on the
Leerburg sight--their photos are a great guide for fitting IMO.

This makes far more sense than jerking!

I expect I will walk them seperately and together
at times, and definitely not on a coupler.

Thanks very much!
--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

Subject:    The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
1From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 7:17 pm
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck.
I
am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the basics
mostly down.  Is there anything in this book that will help me with
her, or is it strictly puppy specific?  I plan to give it to a friend
who is getting a new puppy, but thought I might read it first if it
might help me.

2From: A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:25 pm

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin mental case,

Ever WONder HOWE COME the library is THRHOWEING HOWET
a valuable dog trainin book written by the most highly respected
drunken animal murderin pathetic con artist frauds in the PUPPY
MILL BUSINESS, lynne?

It's on accHOWENT of they're dog abusin mental cases, like yourself:

 From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
                          Research Laboratory
                                      AND
                 COLLEGE OF HARD KNOCKXXX
                                    <{}: ~ (  >

Subject: training and trainers

1 From:  Lynne
Date:  Thurs, Oct 12 2006 4:59 pm
Email:   "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>

I have been through a couple of training classes with past puppies
and
dogs, and one thing that becomes very apparent is that some people
just
don't work with their dogs between classes.  The Muttley thread has
compelled me to remind my fellow average dog owners on here that you
can't blame the trainer when you don't do your homework...

                   ---------

You don't think paulie JERKED an CHOKED his dog
ENOUGH between lessons, lynne <{) : ~ (  >

From: osi...@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.

The question:

I have a four year old male GSD. He growls at
me sometimes. When he growls at me he stares
me in the face and lays his ears back.

The New Skete books say that the dog should
not be allowed to do that. They suggest shaking
down the dog by grabing the dog on the sides of
his neck and picking him off his front feet, then
giving the dog the same sort of treatment the dog
would give another if it were challenging him.

Namely getting in the dogs face and letting the
dog know you are the alpha dog.

Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was
not convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.

Anyone got ideas on what to do with this
dog that might help him to decide that he
wants to follow and that he has nothing to
fear from me?

Special aside from michael to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard:

----------------  CAVEAT -------------------------

Now HOWE, you have had your say. Just shut up and
let these other people have a chance to say something
themselves. Your name calling and insults are not necessary.

I have all the information from you I need. I also have
my OWN mind and I need to make up MY OWN MIND.

I'm sorry but I am not one of your dogs, get it?

-------------------END CAVEAT

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

That so?

From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman)
Date: 1999/05/12
Subject: Re: Should I correct my dog's growling?

While I was listening to the Miles Davis CD, "Kind Of Blue," and
drinking a little Booker's, on Wed, 12 May 1999 17:05:19 GMT, canis55

<cani...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

This is just the kind of stupid, cheap shot bull
ca ca I'm  always talking about.

This schmuck does absolutely *nothing* to actually help
the poster at all, he just takes shots at the Monks, pack
hierarchy theory, alpha theory, etc. (what?  you don't have
any problem with the Theory of Gravity, too?), and automatically
blames this dog's "growling" on negative or aversion type training!

Yet another Kenny Freakin' King wannabe!

Hell, he'd blame cancer on the Monks if he could.

                    --------------------

GRAVITY IS A LAW, tommy... AIN'T IT.

BREAK IT AND YOU FALL ON YOUR ARSE EVERY TIME.

GUARANTEED.

Subject:   Testing potential class students

From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006

This is a tough subject, and I imagine a very emotional one for most
people.  If I were in a class and someone else's dog viciously
attacked
mine, I'd have to be stopped from harming not only the dog, but also
the handler... I have experience with my dog being on the receiving
end
of dog aggression, though, and so I have a hair trigger on these
issues
now.  I feel bad for you as an instructor, because the people in your
class look to you for 'control' when in fact it is they who are
responsible for the control of their dogs, even though you are
teaching
them.

          -----------------

Subject: Why is she biting after being petted ?
6From: Lynne
Date: Wed, Oct 11 2006 6:55 pm
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav

this is one of those funny things about cats.  And they are all
different.  You have to learn to read each one, and it takes time.

I used to have a very large neutered male cat who would attack me
(think: chunks of flesh missing) if I walked by him and didn't pet
him
when he wanted me to.  Or if I pet him when he didn't want me to.  Or
if I pet him too long, not long enough... hehe.  He was mean, but not
always, and I loved him.

From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 16 2006 12:18 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

Shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
news:e8f7j210fdpq1vcd45rnk67gpll6bruncm@4ax.com:

There really doesn't seem to be a learning curve at all, but you are
right - Google sucks for news.  I have used Outlook in the past but
I have a conflict with other apps (surprise, surprise) and had to
delete it.

I'm already loving this killfile--boy HOWdEy!! ;-)

--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

         ----------------

HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal an child abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case,

"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8OydnZy0xtXLTf7YnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@insightbb.com...

Naaaaah?

Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?

Was he your first born, lynne you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal an child abusin mental case?

You mean MENTAL PATIENTS, like yourself.

Well, at least that'll give you sumpthin to do other than
molestin innocent defenseless dumb critters <{): ~ ( >

You mean, the crises you created thanks to your
UNCON-TROLLABLE urge to reproduce <{): ~ ( >

"To be fair, though, I have a clotting disorder (Von Willebrand's)
and bruise if someone looks at me too hard.  I super glued the
wounds to stop the bleeding (my usual MO)."

Even your pathetic mentally ill backyard puppy miller pals
know better than to BREED DEFECTIVE stock, lynne.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard GOT
NEWS for you lynne, you was "OVERWHELMED" long
pryor to your own birth <{}: ~ ( >

You're a genetically defective MAGGOT who breeds
genetically defective stock, a puppy miller, of humans.

Of curse not. NHOWE you're LUCKY enough to have The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training
Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory to DERANGE with
your self servin pitty <{); ~ ) >

Well then, looks like IT DIDN'T WORK, DID IT, lynne <{): ~ ( >

paula works with defective children and special needs dogs.
She's obsessive compulsive and self serving, like yourself.

Such a BLESSING!

Oh, INDEEDY!

You mean, the WONS that got you OVER your SELF PITY?

Oh, INDEEDY! Comin from such a EXXXPERIENCED
pathetic chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASE,
that's the highest compliment!

Well then, LUCKY THING you can REVIEW her own
POSTED CASE HISTORY of LIES ABUSE an MURDER.

Oh, INDEEDY! Briar will DO IT AGAIN, lynne,
and maybe THIS time you'll BLEED TO DEATH?

That's curiHOWES, ain't it?

BWEEEEAAHAHHAAHAAAA!!!

Thank you, lynne!

Ahhh yes, tara green, another CHRONIC LIFE LONG
ACTIVE ACUTE MENTAL PATIENT and DRUG /
ALCOHOL ADDICT <{) ; ~ )  >

"Birds of a feather. You're JUDGED BY the company
you keep.  When you lie with PIGS you'll awaken
STINKIN like 'em," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{): ~ ) >

                     I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
                                   Jerry Howe,
          The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                                A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                                  G-R-A-N-D
       Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

                   HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{} ; ~ ) >

on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:14:08 GMT, "Matthew"
<Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote:

Yes, Matthew is absolutely correct.

FYI, my advice was based on the fact that they are both kittens and the
intro *shouldn't* have to be complicated.  Given that the older kitten is
sexually mature, though, it might need to be very gradual.  Especially if
the older kitten isn't neutered.

It has been my experience that cats generally accept kittens quite
readily.  Even if they don't like them, they usually tolerate them, so
I'm curious what "freaking out" means in this case.  At any rate, the
older kitten's behavior will need to dictate how this goes.