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Brad Stone - 06 May 2004 22:11 GMT
Hi there,

 I have a 13 year old indoor male kitty who I adore.  He's in great
health.  But at a routine annual physical today, my vet (who I also
adore) noticed that the very tip of one of his canine (fang) teeth has
been chipped off.   I'm guessing that only about a 16th of an inch is
missing.  Maybe only a 32nd of an inch.

 She said that vets now know that even a small chip off a cat's tooth
can reach down into the pulp and that this can cause pain and cause
other serious problems.  So she wants to put him under to get a good
X-ray to see if the chip is, in fact, down into the pulp and then
extract the tooth if it is.  Yikes.  It seems like such a tiny chip.  My
vet is wonderful and she knows how much I love my cats, so she probably
sides on caution in situations like this.  But maybe this is being too
cautious?   I don't want to put Tiger through the stress of this (and
possibly unnecessarily remove a good tooth) just because one of his
teeth has a tiny chip off the top. But I also want to do what's best for
him!

 Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Brad
Professor - 06 May 2004 22:31 GMT
> Hi there,
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Thanks!
> Brad

I think your Vet's baby needs a new pair of shoes and business is slow.  If
the chip is as small as you say, I wouldn't bother.  Your cat has at most
only a few years left anyway.
Cat Protector - 06 May 2004 22:42 GMT
Could the chip cause infection though? If that is the case, I can see where
some dental work might be needed.

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> "Brad Stone" <brushyland@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I think your Vet's baby needs a new pair of shoes and business is slow.  If
> the chip is as small as you say, I wouldn't bother.  Your cat has at most
> only a few years left anyway.
MacCandace - 08 May 2004 03:25 GMT
<<  If the chip is as small as you say, I wouldn't bother.  Your cat has at
most
only a few years left anyway. >>

Well, that's sweet.  While I don't necessarily think Brad should have the tooth
yanked, I certainly think "a few years" would be quite a good enough reason to
have treatment done on an older cat.  If the cat's in pain...if you were in
pain, would it bother you if it was only for a few more years?

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Professor - 08 May 2004 03:48 GMT
> <<  If the chip is as small as you say, I wouldn't bother.  Your cat has at
> most
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> have treatment done on an older cat.  If the cat's in pain...if you were in
> pain, would it bother you if it was only for a few more years?

If the cat was in pain of course you would do something about it right away!
You have me confused with someone who doesn't love pets.  The original
poster said the chip was so tiny, he never noticed it before.  While I have
great respect for Vets, it is not beyond the scruples of some Vets to
recommend unnecessary procedures.

There are people in this world who would spare no expense when it comes to
their beloved pets including 25 thousand dollar funerals.  Vet offices make
billions every year on procedures, medications and foods not entirely
necessary to your pet's life.  Some Vets are more scrupulous than others.  I
myself spent thousands of dollars the last three years of my last cat's life
on medications and medical supplies to keep her alive and well.  I learned
to shop on the internet and save a bundle over what that Vet was charging
me.

All I'm advocating is to use your best judgment, and don't feel obliged to
do absolutely everything your Vet recommends.  When in doubt get a second
opinion.
MacCandace - 08 May 2004 23:10 GMT
<< All I'm advocating is to use your best judgment, and don't feel obliged to
do absolutely everything your Vet recommends.  When in doubt get a second
opinion. >>

Fine, I agree, it's just that, the way your post read,it seemed as though you
thought it was pointless to spend money on a cat who only had a few years left.
A few years is a long time...

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Laura R. - 08 May 2004 15:24 GMT
circa Thu, 06 May 2004 21:31:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Professor (vze3vvj2@verizon.net) said,
> I think your Vet's baby needs a new pair of shoes and business is slow.  If
> the chip is as small as you say, I wouldn't bother.  Your cat has at most
> only a few years left anyway.

What an ignorant thing to say since you've not seen the cat. If you
think this is a case of veterinary avarice, then recommend a second
opinion, not letting the cat go on with what could be a painful,
dangerous break. Cripes.

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Mary - 06 May 2004 22:32 GMT
>My
>vet is wonderful and she knows how much I love my cats, so she probably
>sides on caution in situations like this.  But maybe this is being too
>cautious?

I've had cats that cracked over half of their fangs off and the vet didn't
recommend anything. I of course kept an eye on it myself and the cat didn't
seem bothered at all. I'm not a vet.
Cat Protector - 07 May 2004 00:38 GMT
Could the chip cause infection though? If that is the case, I can see where
some dental work might be needed.

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> I've had cats that cracked over half of their fangs off and the vet didn't
> recommend anything. I of course kept an eye on it myself and the cat didn't
> seem bothered at all. I'm not a vet.
Cat Protector - 07 May 2004 05:14 GMT
Could the chip cause infection though? If that is the case, I can see where
some dental work might be needed.

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> I've had cats that cracked over half of their fangs off and the vet didn't
> recommend anything. I of course kept an eye on it myself and the cat didn't
> seem bothered at all. I'm not a vet.
~*Connie*~ - 06 May 2004 22:41 GMT
> cautious?   I don't want to put Tiger through the stress of this (and
> possibly unnecessarily remove a good tooth) just because one of his
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks!
> Brad

My thought would be if the cat is eating fine, isn't acting as if there is a
problem, there is no swelling of fever, then I wouldn't worry about it.  If
there are any additional signs of problems, then start looking into the
x-ray
Fat Freddy - 07 May 2004 00:07 GMT
> > ... I don't want to put Tiger through the stress of this (and
> > possibly unnecessarily remove a good tooth) just because one of his
> > teeth has a tiny chip off the top. But I also want to do what's best for
> > him!

One of my cats has a chipped tooth like that. I asked the vet if it
would be any problem and he said, "No, she has three other good ones".
Laura R. - 08 May 2004 15:28 GMT
circa 6 May 2004 18:07:22 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Fat
Freddy (howlin@damoon.com) said,
> > > ... I don't want to put Tiger through the stress of this (and
> > > possibly unnecessarily remove a good tooth) just because one of his
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> One of my cats has a chipped tooth like that. I asked the vet if it
> would be any problem and he said, "No, she has three other good ones".

Here's the thing, though- if the pulp of the tooth is, indeed,
exposed, even a pinprick amount, then it is open to bacterial
infection, which can cause not only serious pain, but can contribute
to things like kidney disease as the bacteria is swallowed and
spreads to the rest of the body. Have you ever had a root canal? Do
you know why they do them? As I understand it, it's because there has
been exposure of the nerve to infection and damage via the air and/or
saliva. There are very, very few veterinary dentists out there, so a
root canal isn't likely to be an option, but pulling the tooth before
it becomes infected and dangerous *is* an option. Better safe than
sorry, I'd say.

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Cat Protector - 07 May 2004 04:52 GMT
Could the chip cause infection though? If that is the case, I can see where
some dental work might be needed.

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> Hi there,
>
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> Thanks!
> Brad
minerva nine - 07 May 2004 09:18 GMT
Sounds a bit extreme.  I have a two year old with a broken tooth, and my
vet -- who is a cat specialist -- has only commented on it casually at her
annual exams.  I am personally of the opinion that the pet tooth care
industry has found a cash cow and is milking it for all it's worth.  But
that's me.  M9

> Hi there,
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Thanks!
> Brad
Ginger-lyn Summer - 07 May 2004 19:24 GMT
>Hi there,
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>Thanks!
>Brad

I have a former feral with a chipped fang also.  In my case, the vet
did not seem concerned about it, and I have observed no problems with
it.  If his teeth get bad and he needs a dental, I can see taking care
of it at that time, but with just a chip that seems to be no problem,
I'm not worrying about it (especially since my vet wasn't worried).  I
think your vet may be being just very thorough.

Ginger-lyn
Cheryl - 08 May 2004 00:42 GMT
> I have a former feral with a chipped fang also.  In my case, the vet
> did not seem concerned about it, and I have observed no problems with
> it.  If his teeth get bad and he needs a dental, I can see taking care
> of it at that time, but with just a chip that seems to be no problem,
> I'm not worrying about it (especially since my vet wasn't worried).  I
> think your vet may be being just very thorough.

Shamrock has a chipped fang also. He did need to get a dental because he
was already getting gingivitis, and when his vet did the dental, she put
some sort of enamel sealer on the fang. Apparently it wasn't broken to the
degree that called for extraction.

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Laura R. - 08 May 2004 15:31 GMT
circa Fri, 07 May 2004 18:42:00 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said,
> > I have a former feral with a chipped fang also.  In my case, the vet
> > did not seem concerned about it, and I have observed no problems with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> some sort of enamel sealer on the fang. Apparently it wasn't broken to the
> degree that called for extraction.

Wow, I am surprised at how many people have cats with broken fangs!
Knowing how well all of you take care of your cats, I think I feel
much less guilty about the fact that Jacob somehow chipped one of
his. :-)

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Laura R. - 08 May 2004 15:23 GMT
circa Thu, 06 May 2004 16:11:42 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Brad Stone (brushyland@yahoo.com) said,

> Hi there,
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>   Any thoughts?

My cat Jacob has a chipped fang, and has for years. The vets checked
it, and it doesn't go to the pulp, so it was never extracted. I'd let
your vets go ahead and check the tooth, and if the break has exposed
the pulp, have it removed. Bad teeth can cause serious health
consequences in cats (and others, but that's another issue).

Laura
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