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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2007Trew or False
If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO cornmeal. I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they prefer the turkey giblets in gravy... I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit, they just let them lay there. Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go. > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they just let them lay there. > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go. Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of taurine. Hugs, CatNipped >> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of > taurine. He knows this. That's what really makes me ill. >>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > He knows this. That's what really makes me ill. Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with cats reads this. Hugs, CatNipped >> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill. > > Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with > cats reads this. I wasn't criticizing you, CN. When Barry puts a stupid question out there, of course you have to answer it. Just the fact that he raised it might mean to some people that there's nothing wrong with feeding their cats what they eat--onions and all, no taurine and all. Despite the fact that there is an entire industry built upon the fact that cats have different nutritional needs. >>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > an entire industry built upon the fact that cats have different nutritional > needs. Here's what I do. When I see a post from "Barely" I kill fill it. > Here's what I do. When I see a post from "Barely" I kill fill it. back-stabber > >>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Here's what I do. When I see a post from "Barely" I kill fill it. you forgot the part where you talk my head of first briggs YES! you did. Needed a mufu then didn't you >>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > nutritional > needs. True, not every cat owner is an ailurophile (not even most). Some people just start feeding a homeless stray and have no idea of how to take care of the little fellow. Sometimes it takes years, several unwanted litters, or something going wrong before they even think to take their cat to the vet. TV commercials make it seem like Meow Mix is the epitome of feline cuisine, so they don't question that either and often figure they can cut down on the expense of food by supplementing their cat's diet with table scraps. When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not a lot of bullshit (that's one reason I never did get too heavily into rpch+b - there's a lot of bullshit to wade through here, and the posters who have the most time on their hands and post incessantly and voluminously are, unfortunately, often the worse offenders). I don't want to discourage those novice cat owners or fault them just for being "typical" cat owners and not devoting their lives to their cats (as some of us do - mea culpa). And unlike some who have expressed differing opinions about this here in the past, I happen to think a "casual" cat slave is better for a cat than no cat slave at all. I just thought to do my part to give out some good information to those "casual" cat slaves who stuck their toe in the pool here! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup > about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not a > lot of bullshit (that's one reason I never did get too heavily into > rpch+b - there's a lot of bullshit to wade through here, and the posters > who have the most time on their hands and post incessantly and > voluminously are, unfortunately, often the worse offenders). 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha! >> When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup >> about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha! Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less bullshit - in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise ration" on UseNet is appallling! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >>> When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup >>> about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less bullshit - > in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise ration" on ^^^^ Um, ratio. I'm sure I've just added to it!!! LOL Hugs, CatNipped > UseNet is appallling! ;> > > Hugs, > > CatNipped > Um, ratio. I'm sure I've just added to it!!! LOL Well, it's happy noise. CN, you seem a little defensive.I'm one of the good guys, remember? >> Um, ratio. I'm sure I've just added to it!!! LOL > > Well, it's happy noise. > > CN, you seem a little defensive.I'm one of the good guys, > remember? No, not defensive - it's probably just the "bane of e-communications" that it's hard to judge intent when you don't have inflection, body language, etc. I was just trying to be funny and failing! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >> 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha! > > Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less bullshit - > in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise ration" on > UseNet is appallling! ;> You know I love you, Lori. Regarding noise, I just recently began using killfiles for that reason. But I try not to wave it around like a hard little pecker and announce it every time I use it, MU haha! About "noise"--I think it just boils down to what gets on your nerves. Off-topic posts can be fun if you like who is doing them or the offtopic topic. Or on-topic posts can be really annoying due to what the person has to say, or the way they say it. I used to say that killfiles are for pussies. Now I say, "maybe, but if it's okay for a pussy it's okay for me." :) >>> 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > little > pecker and announce it every time I use it, MU haha! ROTFLMAO! I know exactly what you mean - like poking a person cybernetically saying "so there, I got you. haha. I took my ball and went home and I'm not going to play with you anymore!". > About "noise"--I think it just boils down to what gets on your nerves. Exactly - I have a great deal of patience with genuinely interesting, but off-topic discussions, but very little patience for pure nonsense unendingly spewed seemingly just to validate a rather inane and valueless existence! > Off-topic posts can be fun if you like who is doing them or the offtopic > topic. Or on-topic posts can be really annoying due to what the person > has to say, or the way they say it. True. > I used to say that killfiles are for pussies. Now I say, "maybe, but if > it's > okay for a pussy it's okay for me." :) Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand > knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;> I know the TYPE! You POPPED the Parker Bro's "Trouble" game through the Christmas paper... I know the type > Exactly - I have a great deal of patience with genuinely interesting, but > off-topic discussions, but very little patience for pure nonsense > unendingly spewed seemingly just to validate a rather inane and valueless > existence! Oh I see you've met Barry! > Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand > knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this? You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really killfile them. > This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this? > You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they > know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really > killfile them. then there's the part where google only allows 10 posts per day >> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this? >> You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they >> know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really >> killfile them. > > then there's the part where google only allows 10 posts per day You know you should use a real newsreader, Barry. Did you try Gravity? > You know you should use a real newsreader, Barry. Did you try Gravity? I did, but it didn't do well negotiating the network. They still back in the UUCP age, the NNTP is far superior. The difference is, one is stored on a hard drive, the latter is live and inter-active. it's a thrilling and exciting time for networking. Besides, I need these checks google keeps sending me.. it's not a helluva lot, but plenty to help them work out the bugs.. the perks are good too.. drives my click based album sales. You like the little stars they put on their page? post rating stars? I did that. You like the new feature where you can reply to 10 posts at the same time and scroll to the orig text? it was based on my idea... I was just wanting a blitz. Now the NNTP would be of greater interest to you, so you might consider updating your software (if they are even going to work on it one day)... as... you get far superior header information, this will help you with your quirky practice of sticking your nose up the a.s of peoples post. laugh out loud. Gravity is ok for 4th graders. > Now the NNTP would be of greater interest to you, so you might consider > updating your software (if they are even going to work on it one day)... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gravity is ok for 4th graders. ??? Gravity is an nntp news client. What kind of header information is missing? Charlie > This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this? > You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they > know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really > killfile them. If I can't see it, it's not there! Unless some mofo quotes it...  SignatureLynne "We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly We are brave enough to bend to cry And sad enough to know We must laugh again" ~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech >> Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand >> knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really > killfile them. Yep. It's just a good thing that I learned early in life to laugh at myself and most everything else. Trolls don't upset me - at worst they bore me!!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > Yep. It's just a good thing that I learned early in life to laugh at > myself and most everything else. Trolls don't upset me - at worst they > bore me!!! At best they make you laugh! >> Yep. It's just a good thing that I learned early in life to laugh at >> myself and most everything else. Trolls don't upset me - at worst they >> bore me!!! > > At best they make you laugh! YUP! However, most of the trolls who haunt "easy targets" like pet newsgroups are rank amateurs. To see some really good trolling you need to go to alt.slack or its equivalent. Hugs, CatNipped >> Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't >> stand knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;> >> > This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this? You'll > never see the really good ones changing emails, because they know that a > great percentage of people are too curious to really killfile them. That's a good observation. Killfiles are a reflection of emotional weakness... when people say "PLONK," what they are really saying is "I don't have enough self-control to avoid reading and responding to your posts, so I'm gonna delegate that task to my computer." That's why trolls regard the "public plonking" as a mark of success. Even if the plonker is sincere, and actually sets their filters, there's always the follow up... Charlie On Apr 19, 5:04 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: public plonking" as a mark of success. Even if the > plonker is sincere, and actually sets their filters, there's always the > follow up... > > Charlie Nobody knows the plonkings I've seen > On Apr 19, 5:04 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nobody knows the plonkings I've seen Forgive a newbie, but what is a Troll a killfile and a plonk? K. > > On Apr 19, 5:04 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Forgive a newbie, but what is a Troll a killfile and a plonk? > K. A troll is someone who pisses people off, a killfile is part of a newsreader(a program that accesses newsgroups, many people use it instead of google groups) that blocks all messages from the people on the list, and plonk is the action of adding someone to a killfile. > >>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped Thank you CN, nooo, I didn't know that about taurine. Well, for real.. it's not that often, but if they like peas.. that's ok ain't it? We talking table scraps. Then.. ever time I cook ribs and stuff they get the big bones to woller. On Apr 18, 12:12 pm, body sweat <brrypr...@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Well, for real.. it's not that often, but if they like peas.. that's > ok ain't it? > We talking table scraps. > > Then.. ever time I cook ribs and stuff they get the big bones to > woller.- Hide quoted text - Barry, I don't think bits of table food, as long as it's not highly seasoned or has onion, actually hurts the cat. I had a cat who adored canteloupe and he always got a couple of bites. But the problem that comes in is, if they get to liking it too much, they'll refuse their own food, because they figure you'll cave in and give them table food. Sherry > Barry, I don't think bits of table food, as long as it's not highly > seasoned or has onion, actually [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry so it's not garbage <sniff sniff> I love my cats >> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of > taurine. He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention. > But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention. any expense to validate your ranting everybody sees through you Lori did a beautiful job avoiding your pit. And that's not speaking for her! That's just my opinion. Lori should engage herself in some sort of arbitration services, something where she has to put her spin on it. She does not over simplify a matter, that's good because it could possibly make a listener feel... dumb. she has a very eloquent yet street straight way of putting things that does not offend. She does it with grace, I'm sure it's just her way, but it is very close to art to me. I am extremely interested in how people understand me or not. I go to lengths.. if I feel I am being misunderstood, I am fast to add something to clear it up... I don't care who it is or what it is about.. teeny misunderstandings can cost a person a tremendous amount, I don't under-estimate the power of being understood. I personally didn't see her as being slightly defensive.. not at all. Just shooting straight I guess. Did you want her to flame me some? is that it? couldn't quite get her to hate me eh? She's not like that. Well she agreed that she felt I knew about taurine... but she also saw an opportunity to educate new cat slaves. and.. on the whim that I actually did not know about taurine, she showed her common sense by extending the benefit of the doubt... it's not like I said.. let's feed a cat bacon at every meal, or something obviously bad for them, and what I have read... you and most here are waaay off target if you really wanna spoil your cat. If you really wanna spoil them, make their own food! I would If i knew how or had time and money etc... So.. you're caught in gile. She's not interested in ganging up on anybody. Maybe you're typical barry bashing bullshit is why she was skirting your tail. YOU on the other hand seemed a little disappointed in her response. I bet she hasn't thought any more about today, and I bet she don't read this if ever! till a week from now. I feel sorry for you. You sitting there with no nose, whining outcha mouth about it you got two holes on the front of your skull where your nose used to be. You did a dirty fucky thing to me, You goddamn f.cking know it f.ck you and your nasty f.cking attitude Lori is above it but! Lori also knows you are a bit touched.. and for wiw, she will preserve the side of you that can be very congenial and helpful and funny etc. >> But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention. > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > preserve the side of you that can be very congenial and helpful and > funny etc. Wow. I don't think I ever before understood how much you overestimate your importance in my life. Very sobering stuff, and very sad for you. You just get on my nerves, Barry. And you're an a.shole, an abusive a.shole who would be a manipulator if you had the skills to do it. Period. I don't want anyone to hate you. I don't think anyone thinks you are important enough to hate. Now stop talking to me, you make me sick. Whatever "dirty thing" you think I did to you, that's just Mama talking. Turn the tables, put the person you were brutal to on the defensive. You can't stop, but I sure can stop listening. You were wrong, about EVERYTHING. I was looking for friendship from you. I never wanted your dick. And all I asked was that you be fair and straightforward, but you couldn't. Or wouldn't. The gifts and money I gave you, the help in so many ways--were just things I do for my friends. But you were so sure I wanted that dick, you come from such a garbage background where "nobody rides for free" that you figured you could get more and more out of me and also get your rocks off being verbally abusive. You were wrong. As far as doing you dirty--all I really could do was stop sending cat food and money and ... etc. (If you want to keep this up, I will be telling your business, how you really live, right here. I warned you to keep it out of freak net, and I am warning you again.). That is all I could have done, Barry. Now piss off. We are not friends. You are a sick boy in a man's sick body. Keep screwing with me and you will find out, since you have not yet figured it out, that I can indeed do much more than just withdraw my help. You did this, now live with it. Unlike you, I do not overestimate my importance to you. Go dangle that dick somewhere where you can get something out of it. While you still have some hair left. > Wow. I don't think I ever before understood how much you overestimate > your importance in my life. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > where you can get something out of it. While you still have some hair > left. D'OH!!! Stay down, man. Take the count. Wait for the paramedics. > He seems stupid Well I'm hating what I said already. I just hate it. I have to clear the record about you You are, extremely giving and kind and loving and witty and funny and helpful and nurturing. I know for a fact that you have totally misunderstood me on enough occasions to cause some breakdown between us... you made a federal case when I know in my heart what I meant, yet.. I could never explain myself in a way that was understandable. I blame me? ok.. fine.. but... there's nothing wrong with a tad of faith, and taking me at face value either. All told, the resounding words that fall on my mind like leafs is children. We have behaved like children. I admit. She hit me first. He hit me first. I do love you, I care about you... brb.. wants to post this now >> He seems stupid > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > brb.. wants to post this now Blow it out your hairy a.s. I'm off this merrygoround. You learned ABUSE at the hands of your sick mother, and until you accept it and get help you will do this to everyone who is kind to you. Until fewer and fewer people are kind to you. Until you find yourself with NOBODY to turn to. You're just about there now. STOP talking to me, Barry. I have told you the same thing for three years, and you continue to refuse to face it, and I am finished. I cannot undo what your mother did. And I did try. Unconditional love, man. There was not a thing I wanted in return but respect. And you bet I warrant respect. Now let it go before I decide to smash you like a bug. > He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in > the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention. I don't have a problem with you at all... I can't really think of anything that turns me off. While I hate what I've said, I am not ashamed, I should be... but I'm not... but it is a shame! because... I would not have anger if there was not love. You just don't realize some things. I realize you feel you do, but I can assure you, you don't. You think you do. I know that. I can look at you squarely, evenly, sensibly. What I can't understand is how you do not see the sacrifice on my part, what things have cost me. Yet you seem content to rip me. It could be the most heartfelt thing I have ever dredged out of my heart, and you would throw a hot cup of coffee on it. This only speaks to me about your experiences. I don't think you have it out for men, I just think you're angry. brb, I wanna post this >> He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in >> the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention. > > I don't have a problem with you at all... Shut the hell up. I have nineteen f.cking email boxes that work, do you really have to put the whole group through this bullshit? Jesus, what an attention whore. Email me. And I will refuse to answer you. Then go f.ck off. > >> He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in > >> the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Email me. And I will refuse to answer you. Then go f.ck off. Iiii think it's time for me to get out and get a job. honeymoon is over >> Email me. And I will refuse to answer you. Then go f.ck off. > > Iiii think it's time for me to get out and get a job. > > honeymoon is over Then let the friendship begin. . We need to stop fighting in public. > He seems stupid When it comes down to it... no matter how you phrase it... no matter how YOU phrase it You don't understand what I'm up to, or just how I intend to get there... well.. Ill tell it..;. I hate a 9 - 5 job. I've been my own employer for going on 12 years now. I've done ok.. nothing to totally glow about.. but.. where I come from? I've done something. I'm a nobody. Nothing. I'm just nothing. You brought "us" into the group here. Hell with it, that's fine.. we just home folk here. I apologize for coming off so hard, but let's be honest, you are writing checks that your character does not cover. (that's tween you and me.. but.. it comes off redneck and insincere totally) You talk like you've paved your own way, yet.. everybody knows Mark brings home the bread and butter. and YOU.. You've been exceptional with your self motivation and working for yourself etc... I've always applauded your work and genius. I love your independence and handle your business mentality let me make this even shorter. I can't work like I got good pussy at home and you are a million miles away.. yet.. be here for you, and keep a roof over my own head, Im a fool Im an idiot! but I can't do it! I don't emotionally and responsively... re-act that way. Was I ever depending on you? hell no! Did you ever come through? that's between you and me. as it should be. You talk about all this "f.ck you money" you hope to get. I think you found a nice little oppurtunity to vent some serious hurt and anger. I am bigger than all of that. Yet, I am wise enough to know... I do not want anymore of it. Lemme say this real quick, There is no slams or f'u's at the end of this letter. There is no punch line. I won't lead you up to a harsh and unkind word like I just did.... I am convinced that I don't know you. Part of the reason, and maybe someone can shed some light on this.. part of the reason I love you, is because you love me. I don't know if that's valid or not... maybe that's not healthy, I don't know. but it's the facts. You talk like you own me, yet... you are so.... submissive in private. I told you.. Im passive passive passive passive agressive proof? BAM this letter! you have picked on me for days now. I've got my complaints but I don't trust you no more. I am willing to trust you... it's hard in letters and words to see if you're being straight... but I am willing to trust you. You've committed a crime of the heart with me. I'm a sap when it comes to love. I married the first woman I ever knew. I married the second woman who showed an interest in me. I see this as... insecure on my part. I had a woman who I thought loved me and I trusted defraud me... my response to that was... hell with it.. Ill throw it on a wall before I give her anymore. and so it went.. I left her. How dare someone break the oneness because of a petit disagreement. Yet.. you run back in and have some when SHE says so.. and you're a pussy! You get no more respect. Hell with some physical pleasure. I have suffered enough that it's really no big deal for me to abstain. Make me go one mile, I'll give you two. You remove respect from a relationship and there's nothing left. and like Iben said.. some people only learn through bad experiences... actually? he was spot on. And that's been me. From one nasty mistake to another.. my crime personally has been... not applying myself to what I am supposed to be doing and why is that? Because I craved and desperately needed some love. You would think if I am so close to God and all that I would have some love. I love people, but I know all about me and to love and respect myself.. does not and has never come easy.. I don't compare myself to other men.. that's a mistake. I judge myself by the weight of my heart. You may be dripping with potential.. but it galls my a.s to see you beneath a burden un-neccisarily. You assume! that you know better than me... and you wanna soothesay all through my life.. but you are not willing to listen. but see... it's all good until I cross your comfort or security zone. You have ZERO NOTHING AT ALL TO LOSE You can just hang up the phone, turn the computer off, wipe your mouth, flip your channels, get that check from Mark. I don't despise anything you have set yourself to. Marriage, school, pursuits... none of it. I pride myself on being secure enough to have no need for reassurance when it comes to love. That's the kind of love I need. Maybe it's not that way mutually, I don't know. You don't know what costs I have paid. You just don't. yet.. you can be smug with me. That's a pity for both of us in the end.. and... well.. as I say, you've really committed no crime, other than breaking my trust. I know what you're thinking, but you don't know me... you think you do. Sure, you know what I look like and do, but.. far as on the inside? we never got that far. You probably don't care to know me at this point. I can deal with that. My heart tells me, I do not want you to feel subtracted from. I had hoped to put something into your life. I am quick, like Charlie to be turned off by things that remind me of the women I have known and that be 3 I don't do coke, never done crack, I like a joint from time to time, and even less, I like a cold beer. Creatively speaking, the how many 1,000's upon 1,000's? these which I as an adult... was a part of... because I was crazy about you... they do not always lend themselves to my creativity.. yet.. that is how I will win the world! I don't have a passion for the world, but I think it's reasonable to get on satelitte and speak to the tv viewing world at some point. and what do we want but peace. and an end to suffering. I do not despise or see adversity as bad... all the good this world has ever known has come by way of.. blood, suffering, toil.. personal sacrifice.. I am no exception, somebody at some point will have to pay the price.. I am angry because you want a house, I am angry that you worry about a bill that's not due for 3 more days, I am angry that you get happy! When a bill is paid.. as if 30 days is a forever away.. I say.. be happy everyday. But thing is! If good loving was at home, those things are built in, I know because I've had good loving, and have seen how I operate first hand under those circumstances.. and those little guaranteed 50 hours a week plus full bennies... come in real handy with good loving at home. Good fine meals before fun-time... make it even better! but by myself... I don't feel that way! I am pissed! I am furios! My soul man is pacing up and down and to and fro, and nothing quenches but to... do. and live it! to persue it! I don't want anything from you. I feel what I owe you is general kindness and encouragement... I keep waiting for you to snap and come together.. in a way that my mind and heart can interpret.. but I have gotten what I've paid for. I can say the most elaborate meaningful thing to you, and feel a swelling love in my bowels for you, and you're reply historically has been ripping and devisive. It became a numbing agent to my heart and mind and soul. The Lord hears me say this Nancy.. I tell you no lie.. I would open emails and flinch! as I read through them.. waiting on the burr, the "but"... I am certain, I have misunderstood you at times in this same way. This is a mistake that could or probably should be cleared up.. believe me now... I never meant to be anything less than a gentlemen and... a good man towards you, a good friend. You got a complaint? I say oh really? have I lied to you? Did I trick you? did I compel you in your way? no but I regret every foul word I spoke in anger. I can never remove them.. but maybe cause them to fade with goodness.. and yeah! I have met my match when it comes to shocking truths. You know enough about me to love me. I will never tell you... how I would have responded to any action. ya just don't know. Why should I go all out and lay my heart out... I send words of kindness.. or I forget to dot an i, then out of the blue, I'm a mufu. an a.shole... naaaahhh, I never bout that! I have been an a.s.. who doesn't know that.. but I think my admittance of being human, and my speed to apologize.. show the truth. you know what. My heart is tender. I'm not hard! I can be with some things... I guess... like a begger getting beer money.. I can say no. I offer to buy food.. but not beer. I was never given over to myself, to my affections and lusts and passions, never! I'm sure you have not either.. but I take a lot of pride in that. When all of my peers were sexing and drugging it up, I was fast at the piano.. anything but defile myself with the lusts in my body. drugs or sex or foul music or whatever! Im clean! on the inside and in my conscience except when it comes to us. You are married. Maybe this was just a thing we both did not intend to get swept and caught up in... but Nancy, you can believe that... if I spoke a hard word...99 perc of that... was probably a huge misunderstanding. put the rest on my humanity and then.. if there's room.. forgive me.. knowing! that all of us offend. If anyone can refrain from offending in words then they are perfect. It is no easy task to bridle the tongue or pen. but... I hope to make it easy by being sincere and apologizing. You have been wonderful to me. All those words you thought I took for granted? H E L L N O! I kept every one safe in my heart. Each new word you spoke to me... made my heart glow all the more. I was just never quite sure where to put some words you gave me, lol.. ooops not in there! and I am plauged with this shell! this creature of clay, this poor pitiful excuse for a man. won't take a job, swears God will provide everything! but you know ... before you and me met.. money flowed to me like water.... The more I got the more I gave away... I knew.. if I loved you, it would cost me everything and it has. I got so low in my business, I actually took to scaveging road-side heaps.. for semi-precious metals. It's all good.. I've learned this! I know me. I knew I would end up impoverished if I loved with all my heart. but I did not care, and that! is where I need healing, I need help. I know the way.. I am walking it now. I can't think about you. I can't have you. I can't. We can! but there is a way to go about it, and we are waaay past the time that action would have been honorable. but.. it stung my heart 2 and 3 and 4 years later Nancy. And you flaunted your position, you flayed me with it. ftr... I am huge jokester.. I got you sooo many times... do I fault you? nooooo I don't. but.. if all this love is real between us or if it was real, then the actions were not adding up. I think our hearts grew weary of longing, of wanting and needing to touch. Then there's the part where you get so angry you lose control and do dirty things to me.. even before I had a chance to reply. For example. I pull myself up by the bootstraps.. go out and kill a nice contract... for money... and.. since I'm gone all day... you thought I was being childish... so... I get home.. and start to read your mails.. I want to put this in a way that is not telling.. but you remember how quickly things would detioriate in my absence. it could happen inside of hours. lol you know it's true! For all the mean childish things I've said, I apologize. I didn't think about it, it was just a reflex..most of it was childish. I always felt that if I could see you, then you would see.. that I am not out for me. I mean.. my actions and gentleness could speak for me. I don't want your rotten a.s now! You done went to far! well.. I can forgive for sure! I already have. for what? you probably don't even know. See.. what messed me up was certain.. supernatural things that happened between us. like.. the evening I wrote you a fun letter and accused you of being off on ebay buying a purple monkey and a green elephant... and you damn sure was! how the hell! so I just figured we was supposed to do something good together.. but maybe not romantic love... It was bigger than me.. the whole thing... then there was the time when our security codes on the back of our CC's THEY MATCHED! we had the same security code, yet our cards were issued in different years and by different logos. what up? was all that a trick? have you tricked me? I believed you in everything till you told me you lied... I always prided myself in believing that there was good people left in the world. Good honest people, just good poeple. You proved to me that my hopes! were not in vain! Not because of some gift I said.,. noooo.. please pay your bills or don't do this or that cat food was small, we know that. I was always overwhelmed at your generosity.. yet.. I was willing to be here for you... behind it. not because of it.. but.. I saw your gifts as YOUR way of saying thank you for something, I wasn't always sure. I actually felt deserving of any gifts.. sometimes because of a hurt (im just being honest).. or sometimes I accepted something on credit. meaning.. I am good for it, as I knew I was interested enough in you, to accept it.. acceptance in and of itself was a message built into the recieving. but we went down hill baby, me and you both took a hit on the business side... somebody had to pen and reply to 1000,'s and 1,000's and 1,000's of emails. I felt I knew you up to a certain point, and I was convinced that you had stopped moving towards me, and you had hoped I could be content with the love you gave... it wasn't the love.. I grew to despise your complacency, as it pertained to us. I hated that we had platued.. yet. you grew accusing and angry that I too had stopped. but I only stopped because you had. I had to be true to my own heart. It wasn't fair of you to expect me to open more.. if you won't. yeah! you had confirmed my belief that there were good people in the world that were like... God's pawns! your love spoke more to me than anything. your proprietary gifts were tokens of an aching heart.. cause that's how I took it. I never coveted anything from you... I have and had all I needed when we met.. I saw your existence as being a bit hectic and well earned! I didn't want money. or things. We have behaved like children, and like children we should say fuckit all and let the past be the past... I have done you no harm. Regardless of how things are... in spite of your humanity or weakness... I still believe there are good people in the world. why? because I am good. I can be a total a.s... but when I do wrong.. wheter someone taught me or not.. I can feel when I've done something wrong, and then.. I can't wait to apologize. I love when someone comes back to me and says sorry, I do the same thing. I can't tell the times I've gone plenty out of my way and time to undo something, or at least try.. yet at the time of the offense.. I felt zero guilt... but if I get down the road.. and something is on my heart.. I have to go back and try apologize... 99/100 times.. I am lucky and get forgiven, maybe because of sincerity? maybe because of extending choice? I don't know.. but I am lucky. and.. given the misunderstandings, I can't say I fully understand your anger or any right to feel hurt... but... if you say so.. then.. that's what it is to you... maybe I could explain, maybe I can't.. I don't know. See.. you have been true in many ways.. remember the little part about.. you wanting me to open more.. yet I feel you have stopped... I at least feel you have been fair with your expectations about wheter or not I would leave you standing or... put my arms around you. It's not about ego, or anything. You know.. what it's about is.. you are a good woman, and you are doing the right thing if me being a mutherfucker helps you leave me alone.. then... ill just quit... I can walk away.. I may not wan to.. but who can argue with what is right. I cared about you Nancy, we worked through many misunderstandings... seems to me.. this time.. you are just avoiding an a.s whipping.. at all costs seems to me you don't wanna own up to things... seems to me you love me > > He seems stupid > [quoted text clipped - 409 lines] > seems to me you don't wanna own up to things... > seems to me you love me ROTFLMAO!!! What a little BITCH you are! Jesus Christ, you'd almost *have* to engage in fallacious Internet trysts, wouldn't you? Nearly every woman I know would blast your damaged psyche into confetti in about a week! This ng is a RIOT! All your little online fantasy worlds are friggin' HILARIOUS!! > Nearly every woman > I know would blast your damaged psyche into confetti in about a week! can it ABBOT (able bodied adult) before I cut your disability off. I knew your dad...is only reason you get sympathy from me. > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they just let them lay there. > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go. Mine get fed meat scraps of the plates, but they do turn their noses up at anything else they are offered. In fact one of them (Belle), won't eat anything expect the odd bite or two of wet cat food..Her main diet is dried Pets @ Home complete.. Who's cat turns away fresh chicken...? Belle is the only cat I have ever been owned by that won't even try it!!? S;o) > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they just let them lay there. > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go. I feed our cats meat left over from meals.. they turn their noses up at the rest of it. In fact I have one cat who won't go near cooked meat at all, Belle...she will tolerate a few bites of kitty chunks now and again, but that is it.... She eats Pets @ Home dry complete, & nothing else... if she gets the choice S;o) > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they just let them lay there. > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go. Cats, unlike humans and dogs, are obligate carnivores. They're more different from us than any other domestic animal. A cat fed a healthy- for-humans (healthy-for-dogs) diet would first go blind and then die-- lack of taurine, most notably but not exclusively. A certain amount of roughage aids digestion of the meat, but they don't get nutrition directly from the vegetable matter. You're not "feeding" your cats table scrap vegetables; you're OFFERING this garbage to them, and they're sensibly refusing it. Lis > > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Lis you're ignorant. So far, Sheelagh and CatNipped are the only ones who post with a "normal" non-judgmental reply. What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess >> > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess Let me guess. She needs to get laid or has PMS or hates men, because she thinks you're an idiot. Oh yes, that has to be it. > > > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess- Hide quoted text - I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats; leftover veggies that the human decides to give to the cat, and which it refuses on the sensible grounds that from a cat's view point they're not food, are garbage. This is true regardless of the good intentions of the human. And if the cat does eat them, it's junk food, not good nutrition. Again, regardless of the intentions or knowledge level of the human. Lis > > > > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Lis I really don't have time to teach you how to be objective. Support your claims if you believe it that much... Im telling on you! Lot's of people here feed veggies to dey cats... im telling! > I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to > prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats; [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not good nutrition. Again, regardless of the intentions or knowledge > level of the human. Barry is an a.s. He's been reading this group for years, has seen discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind, etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction and so on. It's supposed to be sexy. > Barry is an a.s. Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop. > He's been reading this group for years, has seen > discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind, > etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction > and so on. It's supposed to be sexy. my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type. Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it. May as well hold on to something. >> Barry is an a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it. > May as well hold on to something. Yes, I remember when you asked me for something to "cling to." I have always been a sucker for strays that followed me home. To a point. > >> Barry is an a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > to." I have always been a sucker for strays that followed me > home. To a point. nope, never asked you for that, I said, I wanted something I could cleave to you are cruel and you know it, just let it go >> Barry is an a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it. > May as well hold on to something. You meant passive aggressive. And I'm not mad at you any more, I just don't like you. It was a long run, you got a bit out of it. Let it go. >> Barry is an a.s. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove I think I am going to be sick. That was one mental oicture I could have lived without > pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type. > > Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE > you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it. > May as well hold on to something. >>> Barry is an a.s. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I think I am going to be sick. That was one mental oicture I could have > lived without Then his work here is done. > > I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to > > prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats; [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction > and so on. It's supposed to be sexy. Oh, is THAT what it's supposed to be. Wow. A little off the mark, I'd have to say. Lis > Oh, is THAT what it's supposed to be. Wow. A little off the mark, I'd > have to say. > > Lis Sooo what do you say Lis, true or false... if we can live on it so can cats... my cats eat canned food all day everday... I call myself being provocative that was the orig question... why you spooned up to cyberag is becoming quite obvious try to have some fun here > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they just let them lay there. > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go. I feed our cats on fresh meat that we make up ourselves. I don't feed them vegetables because of the taurine factor, but I do allow them grass to nibble at because it does wonders for hairballs. K. >> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > grass to nibble at because it does wonders for hairballs. > K. How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go blind without it. > <kittyca...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I have only recently started to feed our crew home made meals. I took Binky to the vet recently just before moving here to have his annual MOT with the rest of the cats just before we moved. Whilst there, we were told that it was possible that Binky was in the early stages of dilated cardiomyopathy, & that he recommended that after a echo we might consider changing his diet to a fresh one & add taurine to it to ensure that he was getting the amount that he required, because he clearly wasn't getting the amounts that he needed because he had a deficiency & his poor appetite was no doubt contributing to his condition. Our vet did tell us that it would also help to insure that Binky doesn't develop FCDR too. After we had an echo done to confirm the diagnosis, I was a little skeptical about trying this method, but thought that anything was worth a try. I started by getting a recipe off the Internet which consisted mainly of chicken, with giblets and all internal organs, and rice & carrots & beans too. However it didn't take long to discover that it was the beans that were making Binky ill, so we cut them out altogether and supplemented with rice instead, as well as vitamins A &E (d alpha only). In addition to this Binky is also on Atenolol for the cardiomyopathy. If anyone has any thoughts on the vegetable debate, I would be interested to hear them? Thanks in advance. So far we are doing quite well & he has a marked improvement in energy & health generally. I say this because we took him back quite recently to see if the results of the second echo were about the same so there has been no degeneration since the initial ones. Add that to the marked improvement in his energy levels, I believe that it must be doing him some good. I got my first bottle of taurine tablets from my vet, but after that we had to start looking for a supplier that could send them to us on a regular basis. They are not particularly cheap, but I can get a bottle of 100 250mg tablets, & I have order them over the Internet because they are not an easy thing to find in the UK. I give each of the cats half a tablet each which they are happy to eat & I am not forced into either crumbling them or having to shove them down each cat's throat. This way I know that each cat is getting their daily dose for certain. A bottle of tablets costs us around £8, which is quite expensive, but I feel it is well worth it for the benefits we see in Binky's health soft deep pile silky soft coat. In fact all of the cats coats have improved since introducing the fresh diet. My only worry is that by not feeding the veg that we should do, that I might be creating a problem further down the line. I have asked advise about this issue, but everyone I have discussed it with seems to feel that I shouldn't rock the boat when there is no need to. I also supplement the pregnant queens that are brought to us. In their case, I feed them a whole tablet a day because generally when they are brought in, they are in a poor state of health, & our vet assures us that it is essential that they get supplements of taurine to help the growing foetuses. It has worked so far with remarkable results with most queens in fairly good health by the time that they have their litters & it does seem to help the lactating queen too. Of course ,it also depends on which stage of pregnancy the queen is when they are brought to us. On the whole we do have quite a high success rate with kitten mortality which is pleasing from our point of view & makes it all worthwhile. I feed the queens on whiskers kitten food for the added calories & I leave Iams kitten kibbles out all day for grazing during the day & night. In general the queens seem to prefer wet canned meat, so we stick to that unless there is a reason to feed them fresh diets instead. I have 2 weeks to go until this present queen is due her kittens in our vets educated guess, so we are currently setting up a nursery for her away from the other cats in the indoor pen with access to the courtyard. Having kittens is nice, but finding the right homes for them is extremely time consuming, but well worth the effort when you do find the right ones. I had another queen brought to us last night, but I have managed to place her with another volunteer. Spring and summer are always the busiest months of the year. K. >I have only recently started to feed our crew home made meals. I took >Binky to the vet recently just before moving here to have his annual [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >condition. Our vet did tell us that it would also help to insure that >Binky doesn't develop FCDR too. You have a wonderful vet! [...] > So far we are doing quite well & he has a marked improvement in >energy & health generally. I say this because we took him back quite >recently to see if the results of the second echo were about the same >so there has been no degeneration since the initial ones. Add that to >the marked improvement in his energy levels, I believe that it must be >doing him some good. That is great. Did you find that he likes the raw food as much? Did he like it at first, or did it take some time to get used to? [...] >I have 2 weeks to go until this present queen is due her kittens in >our vets educated guess, so we are currently setting up a nursery for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >but I have managed to place her with another volunteer. Spring and >summer are always the busiest months of the year. Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both? > How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go > blind without it. I read up on taurine yesterday. It is common in all kinds of meat, but mostly destroyed by cooking. Here is a web page that discusses taurine and cats and provides a table showing the taurine content of various meats: http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm What puzzles me is the recommendation that dry foods contain 1200mg/kg of taurine and wet foods 2500mg/kg. Why does dry food only need to contain half as much as wet food? Also, these amounts of taurine are quite a bit higher than what is naturally found in meat, even uncooked meat, according to the table on the same page. Taurine supplements are available from vitamin outlets in a wide variety of formulations. It would be helpful if someone could ping up a vet to shed more light on the subject of taurine... obviously there are factors in how it is metabolized that go beyond the dosage level, and these should be understood by anyone who attempts to produce home-made cat food with a taurine supplement. Charlie >> How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go >> blind without it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm Charlie, this is really helpful, thank you. I don't know how I missed the fact that taurine is in most meats when raw. I feel sure Lauren and others have talked about this. > <kittyca...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote >I have only recently started to feed our crew home made meals. I took >Binky to the vet recently just before moving here to have his annual >MOT with the rest of the cats just before we moved. Whilst there, we >were told that it was possible that Binky was in the early stages of >dilated cardiomyopathy, & that he recommended that after a echo we >might consider changing his diet to a fresh one & add taurine to it to >ensure that he was getting the amount that he required, because he >clearly wasn't getting the amounts that he needed because he had a >deficiency & his poor appetite was no doubt contributing to his >condition. Our vet did tell us that it would also help to insure that >Binky doesn't develop FCDR too. > > You have a wonderful vet! [...] I am ever so sorry if this post turns out randomly. I am trying to answer it in the same manner that you ask the questions, and I have noticed other people seem to post- otherwise I forget what you ask & ramble on about something irrelevant instead. Please bare with me? We do. In fact I make a 40 mile round trip to go to him rather than change to the nearest one just 6 miles away. He has looked after us really well over the years, with our cats and the visitors as well. He always finds time to talk you through anything that you are concerned about & will even ring you if he is busy when you call. Best of all, he comes out to visit us for the sheer hell of it if he happens to be in the area & he also gives us discount for the volume of work we take to him. The only downside is that he is one of two partners in his practise, so if we have any specialised problems, he has to refer us to another vet friend or specialist. nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best. > So far we are doing quite well & he has a marked improvement in >energy & health generally. I say this because we took him back quite >recently to see if the results of the second echo were about the same >so there has been no degeneration since the initial ones. Add that to >the marked improvement in his energy levels, I believe that it must be >doing him some good. > That is great. Did you find that he likes the raw food as much? Did > he like it at first, or did it take some time to get used to? > > [...] Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than good. On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his younger days, we were lucky if we could get him to eat anything we bought him in both tins or packets either in the way of pet foods. He used to drag both pheasants and rabbits home & would drag them all the way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content. But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now. I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the others now regarding what we feed them. I am worride that my well meant intentions are doing poor Charlie, Petal, Rory, no good at all. Mind you, none of them are finicky eaters & petal still does hunt. She doesn't like it if anyone goes near her hard earned kill though. Binky has tried several times to his regret. As far as I am concerned the only downside to them all eating raw or kills as the horrendous farts that we have to endure!! I think you might call it Gas? LOL! >I have 2 weeks to go until this present queen is due her kittens in >our vets educated guess, so we are currently setting up a nursery for >her away from the other cats in the indoor pen with access to the >courtyard. Having kittens is nice, but finding the right homes for >them is extremely time consuming, but well worth the effort when you >do find the right ones. I had another queen brought to us last night, >but I have managed to place her with another volunteer. Spring and >summer are always the busiest months of the year. > Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both? We help out with the Cat Protection League. I am my area coordinator for them, & we do also take in local strays. I have been asked if I would consider taking on more work for the CPL, but I don't feel able to currently. If I did, I would end up with no time to renovate this old cottage which was the whole reason of moving here. Perhaps when we finish this cottage I might consider doing a bit more for them or the local community. It has always been my dream to open a cattery, but that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though. For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got caught good and proper! It is such a shame that people don't think about the consequence of not spaying them. It doesn't cost that much to do and this family have given up their faithful cat all because the dog might eat the kittens. You should hear some of the excuses that we get. They range from ridiculous to outrageous! I shall wait and see what we have, then I suppose I had better consider new homes for them, and take her down to Roger as soon as it is reasonably possible to do so. Once she recovers, then we must think about homing her too. She is a sweet young thing- A ginger and white female. I doubt we will have any trouble homing this because she has impeccable manners, she is highly clean and she is a little darling and loves laps and nuzzles. I am going to have to ring Roger in the morning to ask him if I would be better off rethinking the diet business. I think someone else posted about what meat is best to use, so I am going to try and find that post again to see if I might get some advice from them. Since starting to read the posts here in the last month or so my brain feels like a sponge. It is soaking up so much new information, that sometimes it overfills and I begin to worry. There is so much to know isn't there? K. >> You have a wonderful vet! >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to another vet friend or specialist. > nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best. That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality. I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be "psychologists for humans" too. >> [...] > Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets > and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am > loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food > though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than > good. But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem, right? > On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post > now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content. > But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now. Pheasants!! Is he a big boy? > I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new > diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that we have to endure!! > I think you might call it Gas? LOL! hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No, not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind, and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice, as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can of food. >> Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of > those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though. What you're doing now is wonderful. Have you posted any photos of the cottage? I'd love to see it, and your cats. > For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look > of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got > caught good and proper! PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and wind up with a house full. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > <kittyca...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com > PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always > adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where > I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and > wind up with a house full. I will do, I promise. We have just been so busy recently that I simply haven't had the time to get round to doing it. Bookie suggested Piccasa I think it was. I will have a search later & see what we can come up with. I might as well do a few of the cat family, the house project & the kittens too. There, all done in one go! K. > I will do, I promise. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I might as well do a few of the cat family, the house project & the > kittens too. I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two girlycats. :) > I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two > girlycats. :) It's not that hard. You don't even need to install Google's Picassa software--you can just upload directly from the web site. So get on it!! Please. SignatureLynne "We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly We are brave enough to bend to cry And sad enough to know We must laugh again" ~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech >> I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two >> girlycats. :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please. haha! I have a little Yahoo site, I have just been slack in getting the pictures on . I will soon. >> on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:26:31 GMT, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > haha! I have a little Yahoo site, I have just been slack in getting the > pictures on . I will soon. Another option, which few people seem to use, is simply to set up a geocities (or other free web hosting service) page and post the pictures sequentially in a simple html layout. Here is a simple html page that you can cut and paste for this purpose: <html> <title>Pictures of my cat(s)</title> <body bgcolor=blue text=white> <H1>Pictures of my cat(s)</H1><hr> <center> <img src="picture1.jpg"><br> <bold>caption 1</bold><br> </center> <hr><p> <center> <img src="picture2.jpg"><br> <bold>caption 2</bold><br> </center> <hr><p> <center> <img src="picture3.jpg"><br> <bold>caption 3</bold><br> </center> <hr><p> <! -- CUT & PASTE HERE TO ADD MORE PIX -- > <center> <img src="picture4.jpg"><br> <bold>caption 4</bold><br> </center> <hr><p> <! -- CUT & PASTE HERE -- > </body> </html> Paste into a text editor, change the title, heading, pictures and captions as you see fit, save it as index.htm, and upload it to your new site along with the pictures you have chosen. I suggest this only because I find these dedicated upload sites to be clunky, hard to navigate, etc... a good deal for those like Bookie who have uploaded dozens of pix, but not the best way to showcase half a dozen pix. But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the pictures and enjoy them thoroughly. Charlie "Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in message > But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the > pictures and enjoy them thoroughly. Thanks Charlie, I saved this! I am interested in learning simple html. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in message >> But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the >> pictures and enjoy them thoroughly. >> > Thanks Charlie, I saved this! I am interested in learning simple html. The basics can be learned in a couple of hours... enough so you can design a simple web site. From there it can get as complicated as you want, but that's not necessary for the average person who is sharing photos etc. I have been putting up geocities pages for years, and for the most part I have always used a simple text editor (notepad.exe) to compose them. I have picked up tips, like how to add background images and corny midi files, by viewing the source code on other people's web pages, which is something most browsers allow you to do, if you can find it in the drop- down menus. Charlie On 22 Apr, 02:48, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > "Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote in message > >> But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Charlie Charlie, I have "never" seen a picture of your cat (Mr Tweakers?). Would you mind sharing one with us please? S;o) > Charlie, I have "never" seen a picture of your cat (Mr Tweakers?). Would > you mind sharing one with us please? Of course! Here are a few... www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/tweaker.htm Charlie |
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