Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2007
Help - Cat attacking dog
|
|
Thread rating:  |
Boswell - 17 Apr 2007 20:34 GMT A friend (who doesn't have Usenet access) acquired a stray cat, probably around six months old at that point, three months ago. She already had a Great Dane cross who was most patient with the cat. The cat for the most part ignored the dog although she would lash out at him if he came too close to her.
Last Friday morning the cat was spayed. After a day or so of recovery at home, she decided she didn't like the dog at all and would make a point of attacking him whenever he was close by.
She just emailed me for advice.......
" Every second that Scooby is off guard, Bounce is trying to kill him. He was sleeping and she jumped on him like a wild Indian; in his own bed, "safe place!" Just a minute ago, he was looking through the glass door from outside and Bounce lunged into it repeatedly to try and get him to hop the fence and run away.
He lays right down and tries to be good and she is relentless. Her ears are back like a charging horse. If I go out of the room she jumps up to follow me and beats him up on the way - from a dead sleep the poor thing is in! He hasn't fought back yet. Just some growling and finally a paw up in self defense. She doesn't care! She screech meows just looking at him and then leaps into my lap."
Sounds to me like a case of violent jealousy but how should she cope with it? Anyone had this problem with a successful outcome?
Boswell in Canada
cindys - 17 Apr 2007 21:57 GMT >A friend (who doesn't have Usenet access) acquired a stray cat, > probably around six months old at that point, three months ago. She [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Sounds to me like a case of violent jealousy but how should she cope > with it? Anyone had this problem with a successful outcome? ----- I had this problem and a very unsuccessful outcome. Fortunately, the cat was a foster and not a permanent cat. Rocky (the cat) would actually lie in wait for Alvin (the dog) and then jump on him and sink in his claws. We had blood spattered all over our walls on more than one occasion. When Rocky would attack, he would go after Alvin again and again and again, and over time, as Alvin became progressively more frightened (Alvin was a very sweet and patient dog who always got along well with all of our other cats), the frequency and severity of Rocky's attacks increased dramatically. On one particular occasion, I was holed up in the corner of a bedroom with Alvin while Rocky was blocking the exit. He would lunge at both of us everytime we tried to leave. I finally pulled poor Alvin through the sea of claws and got him into another room, closing the door before Rocky could follow. Rocky stayed outside the door for a good 10 minutes, hoping someone would open the door so he could get in and attack Alvin again.
We had a Rocky for a total of two months. We kept hoping that given enough time, the situation would work itself out. It didn't. Over the course of the two months, things went from bad to worse. It got to the point that the dog was a nervous wreck all the time and was literally peering around corners and hesitating to go from room to room lest Rocky was in one of the rooms and would attack him (again!).
Initially, we had hoped to adopt both Rocky and Bullwinkle, since they had been picked up off the streets together and were virtually inseparable (don't know if they were siblings or had just been raised together). I don't know if it made a difference but when the two cats were picked up by Animal Control and turned over to the rescue group, it was discovered that Bullwinkle had been previously neutered, but Rocky was still a full tom when found (both cats were somewhere between 5 and 10 years old when picked up - - I shudder to think of how many homeless kittens Rocky fathered). Rocky was subsequently neutered once he was placed under the care of the rescue group. Both cats came to me as fosters a number of weeks later. Even then, they were not in great shape, and I spent a lot of time feeding them, brushing them, etc. Rocky was a matted mess, and Bullwinkle had a broken tooth and two infected claws. Both were suffering from muscle weakness because they had been in cages at the vet hospital for weeks (for lack of a foster home). They were not ferals, however, and had clearly both once been somebody's pets. Their story was that their owner had moved and left the two cats to fend for themselves on the streets (through the winter). The neighbors had been putting out food for them for several months before somebody finally called Animal Control.
At the end, we returned Rocky to the rescue group and kept Bullwinkle (who had actually been an accomplice in some of the attacks but calmed right down once Rocky was gone). I felt totally horrible separating the cats, but the rescue group told us to keep Bullwinkle since it was difficult to place older cats and it was difficult to place two cats who had to stay together, and it would be extremely difficult to find a home that would take two "older" cats that needed to stay together. They did find a very nice, dog-free home for Rocky (he is an only cat now) where he is spoiled rotten. But I still feel bad about separating the two cats. We still have Bullwinkle who is now the sweetest, gentlest cat you would ever want to meet.
At any rate, this was the outcome. If I had known about Feliway at the time, I may have tried it, but I don't know if it would have helped or not. Good luck. I wish I could have told you that in the end the dog and cat got along just fine, but this was one time when it just didn't happen. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
bearclaw@cruller.invalid - 19 Apr 2007 01:57 GMT > At the end, we returned Rocky to the rescue group and kept Bullwinkle (who > had actually been an accomplice in some of the attacks but calmed right down [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But I still feel bad about separating the two cats. We still have Bullwinkle > who is now the sweetest, gentlest cat you would ever want to meet. What about Alvin?
You sound like a really good animal person, and I don't think you should feel at all bad about Rocky and Bullwinkle.
cindys - 19 Apr 2007 04:11 GMT >> At the end, we returned Rocky to the rescue group and kept Bullwinkle >> (who [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What about Alvin? Once Rocky was removed from the situation, Alvin settled back down. He lived a good long life to nearly 15 years old. He crossed over the bridge the day before Thanksgiving in 2005. His health had been progressively deteriorating for about a year and then he had some type of catastrophic medical event. We're not sure what it was. The vet didn't think it was a stroke, but Alvin had ceased to interact with us and was no longer interacting with his environment (just walking in circles or staring at walls). We brought him home from the vet hospital and tucked him into his dog bed in the kitchen that night. In the wee hours of the morning, we heard him cry out. We went to the kitchen and found he was struggling to stand up. We tried to keep him comfortable for the few hours until the vet hospital opened, and then we brought him in for the last time. We miss him terribly.
> You sound like a really good animal person, and I don't think you should > feel at all bad about Rocky and Bullwinkle. Thank you. Both Rocky and Bullwinkle have very good homes. I just wish they could have stayed together. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Little Joe - 17 Apr 2007 23:57 GMT > A friend (who doesn't have Usenet access) acquired a stray cat, > probably around six months old at that point, three months ago. She [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Boswell in Canada I would say immediately de-acquiring the stray cat is the thing to do, in the proper manner of course to the SPCA.
The cat has a nasty personality that won't change, but the Great Dane will eventually change in this kind of environment.
cindys - 18 Apr 2007 00:11 GMT snip
>> Sounds to me like a case of violent jealousy but how should she cope >> with it? Anyone had this problem with a successful outcome? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The cat has a nasty personality that won't change, but the Great Dane will > eventually change in this kind of environment. -------- I agree with you that the situation is extremely unfair to the Great Dane, and his personality will change for the worse if the situation is allowed to continue. However, I think it's unfair to assume that the cat is inherently "nasty." We don't know what kind of experiences he has had (maybe he was attacked by dogs in his days as a stray). Rocky wasn't inherently "nasty," as he was sweet and affectionate to the humans in the family. He just hated dogs. He is beloved and not the least bit aggressive to the humans in his current dog-free home. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Boswell - 18 Apr 2007 00:28 GMT The owner is very much attached to the cat, apart from having a financial investment in her so "de-acquiring" her isn't an option.
The cat hasn't always had a nasty personality. She got along very well with the dog before spaying. It's only in the last few days since she returned home from surgery that this aggressive behaviour has occurred.
Wonder if it could be a hormone thing? or a lack of hormone thing? (-:
Boswell in Canada
cybercat - 18 Apr 2007 00:33 GMT > The owner is very much attached to the cat, apart from having a > financial investment in her so "de-acquiring" her isn't an option. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Wonder if it could be a hormone thing? or a lack of hormone thing? (-: Could be. Have you tried Feliway? And I think I would keep them separated for a while.
Matthew - 18 Apr 2007 00:44 GMT OR there could be other things going on that your friend may not realize is happening
>> The owner is very much attached to the cat, apart from having a >> financial investment in her so "de-acquiring" her isn't an option. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Could be. Have you tried Feliway? And I think I would keep them > separated for a while. Cheryl - 18 Apr 2007 01:16 GMT > OR there could be other things going on that your friend may not > realize is happening That's what immediately crossed my mind too, Matthew. That maybe the cat is in pain and is acting out on the offensive because she's afraid of looking like a target. I have no experience with this, though, except with a former foster cat who'd just been spayed. She was the only cat who ever bit me to the bone and caused a nasty infection. She only did it because she saw one of my other cats. I don't know what her behavior was like pre-spay because she came to me directly post-op. She was never able to mingle with my cat or the other fosters because she was just too viscous. Very good with people, though. A real love-bug. She went to an only pet household about 2 months after she came here. I felt bad because she had to spend that entire two months in my den. I could only visit with her.
 Signature Cheryl
cybercat - 18 Apr 2007 01:16 GMT >> OR there could be other things going on that your friend may not >> realize is happening > > That's what immediately crossed my mind too, Matthew. That maybe > the cat is in pain and is acting out on the offensive because she's > afraid of looking like a target. This sounds reasonable. It has to be connected to the spay.
Matthew - 18 Apr 2007 01:26 GMT I was thinking maybe the dog is bothering the cat or something like that.
My spirit goes after limo anytime he sees he due to when he was a kitten she used to attack him when we weren't around.
Now since he is 2.5 times bigger than her he tears her up when we are not around no blood just drives her nuts by chasing her up the furniture.
>> OR there could be other things going on that your friend may not >> realize is happening [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > spend that entire two months in my den. I could only visit with > her. Little Joe - 18 Apr 2007 00:50 GMT > The owner is very much attached to the cat, apart from having a > financial investment in her so "de-acquiring" her isn't an option. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Boswell in Canada My personal opinion only...
I don't feel it is fair to an existing family pet to bring a new pet into the family that turns out to be disruptive and causing the existing family pet grief. If the situation cannot be resolved in a reasonable period of time, then to me "de-acquiring" is the solution rather than letting this go on for months.
I think perhaps you should have separated them when she returned home from the surgery, just to allow time for recovery and for things to settle down again. I'd suggest that be done now, a separation... give the cat time to settle down.
Lynne - 18 Apr 2007 01:44 GMT on Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:50:50 GMT, Little Joe <Little.Joe.Canuck@-remove- gmail.com> wrote:
> I think perhaps you should have separated them when she returned home > from the surgery, just to allow time for recovery and for things to > settle down again. I'd suggest that be done now, a separation... give > the cat time to settle down. This is good advice, and a very slow, closely supervised re-introduction is definitely in order. If the cat's behavior continues, a permanent separation may be neccessary.
 Signature Lynne
cindys - 18 Apr 2007 01:39 GMT > The owner is very much attached to the cat, apart from having a > financial investment in her so "de-acquiring" her isn't an option. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > returned home from surgery that this aggressive behaviour has > occurred. -------- I misunderstood. I thought this was a new cat. That being the case, hopefully, she will return to her normal self shortly. In the meantime, she and the dog should be separated at all times. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
> Wonder if it could be a hormone thing? or a lack of hormone thing? (-: > > Boswell in Canada Lynne - 18 Apr 2007 01:41 GMT > The owner is very much attached to the cat, apart from having a > financial investment in her so "de-acquiring" her isn't an option. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Wonder if it could be a hormone thing? or a lack of hormone thing? (-: The owner needs to separate them immediately and keep them separated or the Great Dane is going to develop some very nasty behaviors. Not only will the cat be history when he does, the Dane will never be safe around cats if this continues. I wouldn't blame him, either. I would never let one of my animals abuse another. WTF?
 Signature Lynne
PawsForThought - 18 Apr 2007 01:41 GMT >> Last Friday morning the cat was spayed. After a day or so of recovery > at home, she decided she didn't like the dog at all and would make a > point of attacking him whenever he was close by. > > She just emailed me for advice....... I think the cat is probably feeling very defenseless after the spay so is acting aggressively towards the dog. The animals should definitely be separated until this situation can be corrected. I believe it can, but will take some work on the part of your friend, and some patience as well. I would recommend contacting an animal behaviorist to help with the situation. They need to be separated and then slowly re- introduced to each other. Here is a good site that tells how to properly introduce a cat and dog:
http://www.cuhumane.org/topics/catdog.html
bearclaw@cruller.invalid - 19 Apr 2007 01:51 GMT <snip>
> Sounds to me like a case of violent jealousy but how should she cope > with it? My $.02:
First step: keep kitty's front claws clipped short. That will prevent most damage, especially to doggie's eyes. Doggie sounds WONDERFULLY gentle and patient. (I LOVE great danes).
Second step: make sure kitty has no diseases communicable to doggie.
Third step: use human wiles to entice the two to live together peaceably. Possibly accomplished by withholding food from aggressor so they can be fed together-- or at least in the same vicinity-- without either being threatened.
Give both lots of love and attention in the other's presence. Remember that time usually sorts these things out, as animals find their place in the household pecking order. The human's main function is to prevent any real damage from taking place during the sorting period.
|
|
|