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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2007is a cat with waist but dropped belly overweight?
Hello, I know one rule of thumb for overweight cats is: if the belly drops below the ribs, cat overweight. Another is: if waist is thicker than ribs, cat overweight. Well, both of my cats, have belly dropped, but at the same the waists are indented, thinner than chest. So, what gives? Do you think they are overweight or not? Mark On Apr 11, 1:42�am, mark_galeck_spam_mag...@yahoo.com wrote: > Hello, I know one rule of thumb for overweight cats is: if the belly > drops below the ribs, cat overweight. Another is: if waist is > thicker than ribs, cat overweight. Well, both of my cats, have belly > dropped, but at the same the waists are indented, thinner than chest. > So, what gives? Do you think they are overweight or not? Mark I don't know. You should ask the cook at your local Chinese restaurant. He should be able to tell you the answer to that question for sure. LOL..!! No... seriously. What does your vet say? I think once that ol' drop starts to wobble to-and-fro, it's pretty much going to be there no matter what. Even if the kat is dropping weight. And especially as he/she gets older. That's my opinion. Although mine is really no better than yours. Let's see if any of our prima donna know- it-alls in here can do any better.. IBeen Getiner >I don't know. You should ask the cook at your local Chinese >restaurant. He should be able to tell you the answer to that question [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >really no better than yours. Let's see if any of our prima donna know- >it-alls in here can do any better.. Oh! I hadn't thought of that. That is probably what is being referred to. And that isn't a low belly, but a separation of the skin from the muscle, and that is common and permanent. I don't know why it happens, but most adult cats have this eventually. > >I don't know. You should ask the cook at your local Chinese > >restaurant. He should be able to tell you the answer to that question [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > muscle, and that is common and permanent. I don't know why it happens, > but most adult cats have this eventually. I think the separation of the skin from the muscle is pretty normal for a cat, isn't it? I mean, pick up a bit of skin on your kitty's back. It doesn't seem to be attached. Not like a human, anyway. But that's a good answer to a question that has always puzzled me. That explains why Franchester's gut always looks like it's dragging the ground. He's not fat and in great shape, but that ol' gut just hangs down there. It's not attached to the underlying muscle. That's what it is. Just like the skin on his back.. IBen Getiner >Hello, I know one rule of thumb for overweight cats is: if the belly >drops below the ribs, cat overweight. Another is: if waist is >thicker than ribs, cat overweight. Well, both of my cats, have belly >dropped, but at the same the waists are indented, thinner than chest. >So, what gives? Do you think they are overweight or not? Mark I would go more by the top view and also the feel of the ribs. You should be able to feel some bumps to the ribs. If you can't feel anything all, then they may be chubby. A lower belly could be caused by other things such as an injured back, elderly cat with a weak back, a long back, etc. Ragdolls are actually allowed a fat pad on the belly in the breed's characteristics. The cat is not fat otherwise, just has a pad on the belly. > On 10 Apr 2007 22:42:22 -0700, mark_galeck_spam_mag...@yahoo.com > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > allowed a fat pad on the belly in the breed's characteristics. The cat > is not fat otherwise, just has a pad on the belly. I don't believe he was interested in a history of fat cats. His questions were well described and well thought-out. At no time does he give any indication of what the breed might be, yet here we have a virtual lecture on problems faced by different breeds. Keep to the facts, please. And answer ONLY those questions posed directly at hand. This will save everyone in the group some wasted time, and you, some wasted words. IBen Getiner It was better than 99.99% of the posts ive seen from you, and I havent even been around here long.. On Apr 11, 5:43?am, Meghan Noecker <fries...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote: > On 10 Apr 2007 22:42:22 -0700, mark_galeck_spam_mag...@yahoo.com > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > allowed a fat pad on the belly in the breed's characteristics. The cat > is not fat otherwise, just has a pad on the belly. I don't believe he was interested in a history of fat cats. His questions were well described and well thought-out. At no time does he give any indication of what the breed might be, yet here we have a virtual lecture on problems faced by different breeds. Keep to the facts, please. And answer ONLY those questions posed directly at hand. This will save everyone in the group some wasted time, and you, some wasted words. IBen Getiner > It was better than 99.99% of the posts ive seen from you, and I havent even > been around here long.. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey, dip-sh.t... I went back in an deleted that post from Google so the lady wouldn't see it (since she uses Google as well). Then YOU come along and inter a stupid comment like that, which brings it all back up. FYI, I was a little too hasty with Neghan... I somehow missed the first paragraph of her posting, to be honest with you. In it, she addresses the first poster's questions just fine. Plus, she iz a well- respected poster on Usenet. I thought I did her an injustice, and when IBen errs, IBen corrects. To the best of my humble abilities, anyway. And then here you come lumbering along... Look... I don't read or comment on your sh.t, so do me a favor... Don't read or comment on mine. Let me ask you a question... How does a person log in over 200,000 postings on Usenet? How is that done? Are you a spammer? Or are you a f.cking disabled cripple? It's one of the two. That or you're sucking it in on SS disability... I guess you could be old and lonely and helpless, though.. Which iz it? http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi Wow... That's all I can f.cking say.. Again, my apologies to Neghan. The poster who I insulted without proper cause. My bad. IBen Getiner >Hey, dip-sh.t... I went back in an deleted that post from Google so >the lady wouldn't see it (since she uses Google as well). Then YOU [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >comment on your sh.t, so do me a favor... Don't read or comment on >mine. I think comcast may use google, but I am not using google's website. I use Agent to download the posts and was able to download your post regardless of his reply. I did already reply to it, but I see now that you didn't mean to be so harsh, so please excuse my reply :) You dumb tard, you really think im the only person on the planet with this name ? ive never even heard of those groups in the link you posted.. Wont even bother replying the the rest of the crap you spewed forth as all it does is proves my original point. Now move along child.. On Apr 11, 9:34?am, "J&T" <N...@Spam.com> wrote: > It was better than 99.99% of the posts ive seen from you, and I havent > even [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey, dip-sh.t... I went back in an deleted that post from Google so the lady wouldn't see it (since she uses Google as well). Then YOU come along and inter a stupid comment like that, which brings it all back up. FYI, I was a little too hasty with Neghan... I somehow missed the first paragraph of her posting, to be honest with you. In it, she addresses the first poster's questions just fine. Plus, she iz a well- respected poster on Usenet. I thought I did her an injustice, and when IBen errs, IBen corrects. To the best of my humble abilities, anyway. And then here you come lumbering along... Look... I don't read or comment on your sh.t, so do me a favor... Don't read or comment on mine. Let me ask you a question... How does a person log in over 200,000 postings on Usenet? How is that done? Are you a spammer? Or are you a f.cking disabled cripple? It's one of the two. That or you're sucking it in on SS disability... I guess you could be old and lonely and helpless, though.. Which iz it? http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi Wow... That's all I can f.cking say.. Again, my apologies to Neghan. The poster who I insulted without proper cause. My bad. IBen Getiner > You dumb tard, you really think im the only person on the planet with this > name ? This is true. But there is no other J&T at no@spam.com And that's the address affiliated with your name. It comes with every post you submit. And thru Google, your entire personal and unique posting history is at everybody's fingertips. Simply by going into your posting and clicking on their 'view profile' option. LOL...!! You're not only a lozer... you're also a f.cking liar. And a poor one to boot. > ive never even heard of those groups in the link you posted.. Google differs with you. Sorry! IBen Getiner > On Apr 11, 9:34?am, "J&T" <N...@Spam.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You really are a retarded idiot child.. oh yes you are.. your so pathetic its funny. If you bothered to even look at the google search your so proud of, you would see the posts you are so sure are mine are in at least 7 different languages, as im obviously a lot smarter than you (well most life forms are) but I dont know that many languages :) as much as I'd like to take credit for that fact I'm afraid I cant. Also you searched for the email addy, no where at all in that search does it list J&T. Try clicking on just a couple of the links and you would see for yourself. So try to think before you post, a simple look as these wonderful facts of yours would have saved you from making a tool of yourself, but then I guess from your other posts you dont care about that. So again idiot, be off with you. If you cant tell that no@spam.com is an anti spam fake email addy used by 1000's to avoid spam then your in need of more help than most people could give. Though a quick search of you email addy in google sheds a lot of light on your sordid peronality.. Abortion, death-penalty & homosexuality groups ? tsk tsk Iben.. And a quick read though those posts shows just what sort of sick person you are, that obviously takes some sort of sick pleasure from trying to make others feel small while trying to make yourself look big from behind a keyboard. But dont worry, your my hero, really you are :) bahahaha >> You dumb tard, you really think im the only person on the planet with >> this [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > You really are a retarded idio...... <snip LIES> What was that, J&Y...? Come again...?? Look at the LOZER, people.... Over 30 postings per day for 20 YEARS. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hM... Sorry, dude. But all of my postings under my profile are MINE. Just like all under yours are YOU. Lying lozing sack of worthless Internet sh.t... Got NO--BODY. Got NUTTIN' but a computer screen! LOL....!!! Bet you jack off a lot. IBen Getiner ahahaha ahh your an excellent example of a tool, but good for a laugh.. 4 points to consider reguarding your last infintile post.. 1) your link doesnt even work ? 2) 30 posts a day for 20 years ? yea, ive been posting from 5 years old.. lol 3) your a retard 4) your a retard I realise thats only really 3 points, but I thought the last was was worth mentioning twice. > What was that, J&Y...? Come again...?? Cant read ? sigh, I use the name J&T for posting, short for John & Tania, thats me and my other half, and that link you posted before saying that its all my posts, well if you bothered to look at any of the posts you would see that NONE of them were posted by me.. but then that would take intelligence, and im afriad you seem to have a very small supply of that, so sorry for expecting you to actually check the facts that you thought you had.. Dont worry, im holding my breath with hope that you might actually get something right in your next post, please try not to get it wrong this time :) Though with the way your posts are degrading to pointless childish insults, I dont think ill have much luck... >> You really are a retarded idio...... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > IBen Getiner <a bunch of moronic BS> People who engage trolls in this manner, especially after implying the troll would be killfiled, are just as bad as the trolls themselves. <plonk>  SignatureLynne Oh I know, I should be a lot more mature than this :) But now and then I just cant help myself, sorry if you feel you should plonk me, but plonking me for for giving it to a lame troll in just one thread ? no one made you read it :) > <a bunch of moronic BS> > > People who engage trolls in this manner, especially after implying the > troll would be killfiled, are just as bad as the trolls themselves. > > <plonk> > ahahaha ahh your an excellent example of a tool, but good for a laugh.. > > 4 points to consider regarding your last infintile post.. > > 1) your link doesnt even work ? Works fine for me. Did you click on it or did you just position your cursor over it? You've got to click, you know.... I'll tell you what... I'll post it in a few other groups so other folks can be the ultimate judge. Yep. That's what I'll do.. Gonna get to the bottom of this clicking link problem. > 2) 30 posts a day for 20 years ? yea, I've been posting from 5 years old.. Then you're a bigger lozer than I initially thought. Of course, you can't prove that either. <snip> What was that, T&Y...? Come again....?? What were those other 2 points? > > What was that, J&Y...? Come again...?? > > Cant read ? sigh, I use the name J&T for posting, short for John & Tania, > thats me and my other half, Right.. SURE...!! LOL...!! What does she do for sex? Live under your computer desk? Nobody can stay on Usenet as much as you do and have ANY KIND of a f.cking life.... No---body. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi > and that link you posted before saying that > its all my posts, well if you bothered to look at any of the posts you > would see that NONE of them were posted by me.. They're ALL coming from your unique user address. Therefore, they are YOURS. That's what the FBI would say. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi > but then that would take > intelligence, and im afriad you seem to have a very small supply of that, > so sorry for expecting you to actually check the facts that you thought you > had.. You're not a very good liar. Your Google posting history disagrees with you.. Google doesn't lie. YOU do. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi > Dont worry, im holding my breath with hope that you might actually get > something right in your next post, please try not to get it wrong this time > :) I did not make up the facts. I am merely the messenger. A hand-maiden of the truth. YOU'RE the one who'z posting history makes it f.cking clear that you LIVE on Usenet. Day and nite, nite and day. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi :) > Though with the way your posts are degrading to pointless childish insults, Only a child would find them insulting... Why do you? Is there something else here that I've missed? > I dont think ill have much luck... Don't need luck. I've got you! A bono fide lifeless LOZER. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi IBen Getiner > >> You really are a retarded idio...... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ahahahaha you ARE a dumb tard.. you searched my "nospam" email addy ?? ahahaha like most people dont use something like that.... bahahaha Ahhh thats how to remove infants like you from outlook, creat a rule with your name in it.. bye for good retard :) On Apr 11, 9:34?am, "J&T" <N...@Spam.com> wrote: > It was better than 99.99% of the posts ive seen from you, and I havent > even [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey, dip-sh.t... I went back in an deleted that post from Google so the lady wouldn't see it (since she uses Google as well). Then YOU come along and inter a stupid comment like that, which brings it all back up. FYI, I was a little too hasty with Neghan... I somehow missed the first paragraph of her posting, to be honest with you. In it, she addresses the first poster's questions just fine. Plus, she iz a well- respected poster on Usenet. I thought I did her an injustice, and when IBen errs, IBen corrects. To the best of my humble abilities, anyway. And then here you come lumbering along... Look... I don't read or comment on your sh.t, so do me a favor... Don't read or comment on mine. Let me ask you a question... How does a person log in over 200,000 postings on Usenet? How is that done? Are you a spammer? Or are you a f.cking disabled cripple? It's one of the two. That or you're sucking it in on SS disability... I guess you could be old and lonely and helpless, though.. Which iz it? http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi Wow... That's all I can f.cking say.. Again, my apologies to Neghan. The poster who I insulted without proper cause. My bad. IBen Getiner You really are a retarded idiot child.. oh yes you are.. your so pathetic its funny. If you bothered to even look at the google search your so proud of, you would see the posts you are so sure are mine are in at least 7 different languages, as im obviously a lot smarter than you (well most life forms are) but I dont know that many languages :) as much as I'd like to take credit for that fact I'm afraid I cant. So try to think before you post, a simple look as these wonderful facts of yours would have saved you from making a tool of yourself, but then I guess from your other posts you dont care about that. So again idiot, be off with you. If you cant tell that no@spam.com is an anti spam fake email addy used by 1000's to avoid spam then your in need of more help than most people could give. Though a quick search of you email addy in google sheds a lot of light on your sordid peronality.. Abortion, death-penalty & homosexuality groups ? tsk tsk Iben.. And a quick read though those posts shows just what sort of sick person you are, that obviously takes some sort of sick pleasure from trying to make others feel small while trying to make yourself look big from behind a keyboard. But dont worry, your my hero, really you are :) bahahaha On Apr 11, 9:34?am, "J&T" <N...@Spam.com> wrote: > It was better than 99.99% of the posts ive seen from you, and I havent > even [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey, dip-sh.t... I went back in an deleted that post from Google so the lady wouldn't see it (since she uses Google as well). Then YOU come along and inter a stupid comment like that, which brings it all back up. FYI, I was a little too hasty with Neghan... I somehow missed the first paragraph of her posting, to be honest with you. In it, she addresses the first poster's questions just fine. Plus, she iz a well- respected poster on Usenet. I thought I did her an injustice, and when IBen errs, IBen corrects. To the best of my humble abilities, anyway. And then here you come lumbering along... Look... I don't read or comment on your sh.t, so do me a favor... Don't read or comment on mine. Let me ask you a question... How does a person log in over 200,000 postings on Usenet? How is that done? Are you a spammer? Or are you a f.cking disabled cripple? It's one of the two. That or you're sucking it in on SS disability... I guess you could be old and lonely and helpless, though.. Which iz it? http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi Wow... That's all I can f.cking say.. Again, my apologies to Neghan. The poster who I insulted without proper cause. My bad. IBen Getiner >> On 10 Apr 2007 22:42:22 -0700, mark_galeck_spam_mag...@yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> >Hello, know one rule of thumb for overweight cats is: )f the belly >> >drops below the ribs, cat overweight. nother is: )f waist is >> >thicker than ribs, cat overweight. Well, both of my cats, have belly >> >dropped, but at the same the waists are indented, thinner than chest. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >This will save everyone in the group some wasted time, and you, some >wasted words. Who peed in yout wheaties? He did ask if a lower hanging belly was indicitive of a fat cat, and it may not be. I gave some examples and answered the question. >Hello, I know one rule of thumb for overweight cats is: if the belly >drops below the ribs, cat overweight. Another is: if waist is >thicker than ribs, cat overweight. Well, both of my cats, have belly >dropped, but at the same the waists are indented, thinner than chest. >So, what gives? Do you think they are overweight or not? Mark Many neutered males develop a fat pad that droops. One of my cats has it. He's in fine shape (well, except for being neutered of course) and perfect weight but it does droop. > On 10 Apr 2007 22:42:22 -0700, mark_galeck_spam_mag...@yahoo.com > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it. He's in fine shape (well, except for being neutered of course) and > perfect weight but it does droop. I echo this. One of my males has this, but he's a good weight. Here's a good page with some photos to help you: http://vet.osu.edu/1851.htm > Many neutered males develop a fat pad that droops. One of my cats has > it. He's in fine shape (well, except for being neutered of course) and > perfect weight but it does droop. Another ditto post here. Levi has developed the same pooch since being neutered, and I consider him to be a little on the underweight side. Everything about him his cute, including the way his belly wiggles now. :) SignatureLynne On 11 Apr, 06:42, mark_galeck_spam_mag...@yahoo.com wrote: > Hello, I know one rule of thumb for overweight cats is: if the belly > drops below the ribs, cat overweight. Another is: if waist is > thicker than ribs, cat overweight. Well, both of my cats, have belly > dropped, but at the same the waists are indented, thinner than chest. > So, what gives? Do you think they are overweight or not? Mark not overweight, they are just showing that old 'saggy belly' thing that cats do when they get older i think, if you really wants to check if overweight then you can (a) weigh them (crazy idea I know) or (b) take an overhead view and check how wide they are as this shows how much real flab they have put on round their middle. all my cats have developed this funny wobbly wiggly flap of skin hanging down form their previously svelte middles, which comically swings from side to side when they run up and down the garden (if only they knew how silly they look, it is dead cute though). I used to think it was just something spayed females developed as a result of having their bits and pieces removed and the subsequent loss of muscle tone but then my tom cat jasper (god rest his furry soul) had the same thing. probably just general loss of elasticity around the middle when they get older. how old are the cats and how active are they? also what genders? do you have any pictures to show what you mean exactly? bookie |
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