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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2007THIS SAD STORY REACHED THE UK
A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. It is a Tragic story, & I hoped that by posting it, that some of us might be moved enough to help them in some small way if you can...? I found it horrifying & such a terrible shame too... ( VIEWER DISCRETION) S. http://www.news4jax.com/news/11576949/detail.html > A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ( VIEWER DISCRETION) > S.http://www.news4jax.com/news/11576949/detail.html I SHOULD have added that there was no need to watch the Video link to this story too. You can simply read about it if you wish to . It breaks my heart to think of such a horrendous thing happening, but I guess any shelter is just as susceptible as any home would be. The difference being that we can do more to help ourselves, where the poor animals couldn't. I hoped that by posting this, we might reach deep or suggest it to others if they ask about where to donate towards. It seems a very worthy cause. S. > > A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > worthy cause. > S. I am not sure but was this not the same fire which happened a few months ago? I seem to remember there being a fire in a shelter in florida and a number of cats and puppies being killed in it, hope it is the same one as i hate to think that another one has burned down and more poor animals were killed in such frightening and horrific circumstances. I also hate to think of the terror those poor animals must have gone through and the distress the tragedy will have caused those surviving. i suppose what they need now are homes for the survivors so hopefully the news will bring people to the shelter and get them thinking about giving one of the animals a new proper home. it is times like these that i will i was some multi-millionaire who could do something practical like build a huge big shelter for them all, like a big house with lots of proper comfy places for the cats to snooze and old sofas for the dogs to sleep after they have been out playing in a massive garden, and employ lots of people to look after them and care for them and give the cats cuddles whenever they need them and play with the dogs lots (stuff like frisbee and catch and chase and 'stick' which involves basically waving a stick around for the dogs to grab and run around with but which dogs seem to enjoy so much). why do rich people have to spend their money on private jets and big yachts and sh.t like that? why can't they spend it on building nice homes for dogs and cats and making sure they are well looked after and loved? that would be so much better than lyign on the deck of some yacht getting sunburnt and bored out of your mind. Why don't rich people do something useful and constructive with their cash (like paying a couple of thugs to go and beat the living sh.t out of those vicious little c.nts who shot at Ringo and the other cats)? i get so frustrated with the world at times, life seems just so unfair bookie > > > A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No Bookie, I went back to the story to check it & it is telling me that it happened last night & also that 70 cats died & also over 11 puppy's too... Here is the latest link to the story for you to check the details...& it is definately the 9th of April 07. Thankfully most of the dogs got out because their housing was @ the back of the building & they are still roaming and being picked up. It really is such a sad story & one can't help but wonder if it was arson if you are telling me that it happened there recently before this incident? This one was in a place called Jacksonville, does that sound familiar to you? I have a feeling that it is ion Florida? Perhaps Matthew knows about this one? ( they were micro chipped, so that is how they are identifying which ones were from the society that are still on the loose.) Strange that everyone is passing this post. It makes me feel like I have said/done something..?!! I thought that it might touch a few hearts. If that had happened to our Wood Green shelter, I would have expected locals to have an interest in it.... I'm hoping that someone will explain if I have hit a sore point:o( It is a bit like noticing an RSPCA Building going up in smoke. I was touched by the locals that offered what assistance they could It certainly was not intended as a troll posting... That would be a sick thing to do!!! http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGB4A9KCA0F.html http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/17051859.htm > it is times like these that i will i was some multi-millionaire who > could do something practical like build a huge big shelter for them [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the dogs to grab and run around with but which dogs seem to enjoy so > much). I couldn't agree more with you. S. > > > > A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > > - Show quoted text - i wish i could help but I could only give practical help such as take in a few animals on a temp basis if i lived close by but there is the small problem of the atlantic ocean in between so obviously i cannot do that. since I am on the breadline myself right now i cannot offer money, so i feel a bit helpless really. Reading the details of it makes me feel like crap actually because there is not much i can do from here, but if it happened at wood green or a nearby shelter I woudl be round there like a shot with blankets and spare food obviously bookie > > > > > A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Spot on, same here. It would be so much easier if the old pond wasn't in the way.... I just hope that not all people are of the same line of thought/ilk as ol' Iben here... S;o) > > > > A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > I have a feeling that it is ion Florida? > Perhaps Matthew knows about this one? Yes, Jacksonville is in Florida. > ( they were micro chipped, so that is how they are identifying which > ones were from the society that are still on the loose.) > > Strange that everyone is passing this post. > It makes me feel like I have said/done something..?!! More a feeling of helplessness, plus the fact that a huge part of everyone's energy and attention is tied up right now with what to feed our own pets, with sense of disaster looming if we make the wrong choice. > I thought that it might touch a few hearts. If that had happened to > our Wood Green shelter, I would have expected locals to have an > interest in it.... Um. There's an old saying: In the US they think 100 years is a long time; in Europe they think 100 miles is a long distance. I'm 1200 miles from Jacksonville, and there are shelters near me that need donations of food or money to buy same, because so much of what they had just a few weeks ago has been recalled. I feel for those animals in Florida and the people trying to care for them, but there are equally needy animals and cash-strapped shelters right here. Only a tiny fraction of the regular readers and posters here will actually be "local" in any meaningful sense to the Jacksonville shelter. > I'm hoping that someone will explain if I have hit a sore point:o( > It is a bit like noticing an RSPCA Building going up in smoke. > I was touched by the locals that offered what assistance they could > > It certainly was not intended as a troll posting... > That would be a sick thing to do!!! I certainly didn't interpret it as a troll posting. I sighed over yet another tragedy, but didn't have anything useful or constructive to say about it. > http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGB4A9KCA0F.html > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I couldn't agree more with you. I think we all do. Well, except IBen, of course. Lis > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ( VIEWER DISCRETION) > S.http://www.news4jax.com/news/11576949/detail.html Who really cares? I mean after all, what are we talking about here...? The lives of a few stray dogs and cats.. I only care about MY dogs and MY cat. I don't much give a hoot about what happens to other folk's. That's their lookout. IBen Getiner > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > IBen Getiner Don't you think that is rather selfish of you? How would you feel if your home burnt down and most of the the animal residents in it too? Wouldn't you want someone to care for you? S;o) > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Don't you think that is rather selfish of you? I think I made myself perfectly clear. > How would you feel if your home burnt down and most of the the animal > residents in it too? Like I said, I would care very deeply if they were my personal animals. > Wouldn't you want someone to care for you? > S;o)- Hide quoted text - No. I can take care of myself. Me and Mrs.Getiner do just fine without having to go thru the degrading experience of accepting charity from total strangers. We don't need anyone's help and what's more... we don't want it. These people down there... they can slug it out on their own or they can just call it quits and go belly-up. It makes little difference to me one way or the other. It's not my problem. It was however, a nice thought. And it was nice of you to think it. I just don't share your empthy. That's all. Let them beg and plead if they want help from the outside.. Let them fend for themselves like I have always done. I simply do not care what becomes of them. IBen Getiner > > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh boy you must have had a harsh up bringing... > No. I can take care of myself. Me and Mrs.Getiner do just fine without > having to go thru the degrading experience of accepting charity from > total strangers. We don't need anyone's help and what's more... we > don't want it. I take your point, but do you think that all of the Americans who lived through floods last year, or the people that have their homes torn away by tornadoes *wanted charity or sympathy*? Or do you think that they were grateful that it was there when they needed it...? I don't want charity either, but it doesn't mean to say that I don't empathise with those that do need assistance @ times of tragedy & hardship. ( the parable about the strangers crossing the road rather than helping the man in need comes to mind) These people down there... they can slug it out on > their own or they can just call it quits and go belly-up. It makes > little difference to me one way or the other. It's not my problem. Not today maybe, but are you certain that disaster will never knock on your door? You sound rather like Mr Bush, telling the rest of the world that there is no global warming...!! I wouldn't wish any sort of tragedy even on my worst enemy..But this is the sort of thing that could happen to any one @ any time. Open thine eye's I say! It was however, a nice thought. And it was nice of you to think it. I > just don't share your empathy. That's all. Let them beg and plead if > they want help from the outside.. Let them fend for themselves like I > have always done. I simply do not care what becomes of them. I thought so too, but it does appear that I am in a minority here. It wasn't particularly the people that worride me. More the defenseless animals that had no choice but to go through this. I know that most of the dogs got out, & it is shelter for them that the money is needed for... I hoped by posting it here, that if people came asking where to donate money to, that they *might* consider this appeal. The problem is that there are so many worthy causes that even if you do have the money to spare, which worthy cause do you choose? I take your point, but I don't agree with you. The one good thing about posting here, is that we are all entitled to an opinion, & God knows that we all express it too.... The trick is not to get too het up & go into over boil & also to respect the other posters viewpoint S;o) GLOBAL WARMING = JUNK SCIENCE The neo-liberal socialists are furious now that their ill contrived attempt to seize control of the world's political & economic power, a.k.a. the junk science of global warming, has been exposed for the hypocrisy it is. Meanwhile, Al Gore sits in his Tennessee mansion burning 12 times the natural resources the average American family does More neo-liberal socialist hypocrisy! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > ( the parable about the strangers crossing the road rather than > helping the man in need comes to mind) Sheelagh, why are you bothering? This is not a real person engaging in conversation; this is a troll being intentionally outrageous. You can't truly engage him; you can't get through to him; nothing you say will induce him to respond as if he were actually a member of the human race. Ignore him. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! Really. Ignore him completely, and he'll get bored and go play somewhere else. <snip> Lis "Lis" <lis.carey@gmail.com> whined in a message: //snip// GLOBAL WARMING = JUNK SCIENCE Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity Dr Savage Ann Coulter Bill O'Reilly Fox News See? All the experts agree. So why don't you? ROTFLMAO! > "Lis" <lis.ca...@gmail.com> whined in a message: > //snip// [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ROTFLMAO! I fail to see your logic here? > See? All the experts agree. So why don't you? > ROTFLMAO! What is there to laugh about? It might be something to do with the rest of the world telling you that "IT IS REAL & IT IS HERE"?????????Let me think now...UM New Orleans flooding I recommend the 1st link, mainly because it is the one that bares the most relevance to this group. It is about the effects that global warming is having on them....Stark reading, but Fact!! http://www.wildnet.org/ Animals being forced out of their habitats New Orleans last year... http://geology.com/articles/rebuilding-new-orleans.shtml General information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming Information on the effects of global warming in the USA, Now.... http://www.climatehotmap.org/ You can run, but you can't hide from facts... Global warming is just that... Global warming I don't mind if you ridicule me, but it won't go away..it's here to stay & the problem that our children will inherit from us Unfortunately, I don't feel the need to ROFLOL, do you now? S.. > > > > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > human race. Ignore him. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! Really. Ignore him > completely, and he'll get bored and go play somewhere else. You think me a troll, ehh....? A no-life in need of that kind of twisted attention...? Okay. Alright. I'll prove to you how wrong you are by offering this gesture... I won't respond to her lengthy and obviously well-thought out reply. There... Happy now...??? The only person getting hurt here is her. IBen Getiner >You think me a troll, ehh....? A no-life in need of that kind of >twisted attention...? You said, we just all agree with it. >Okay. Alright. I'll prove to you how wrong you >are by offering this gesture... I won't respond to her lengthy and >obviously well-thought out reply. >There... Happy now...??? The only person getting hurt here is her. Sigh, grow up child.. How do you add retards like this to the ignore list in outlook again ? > >You think me a troll, ehh....? A no-life in need of that kind of > >twisted attention...? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How do you add retards like this to the ignore list in outlook again ? Push block button again. If your using hotmail, they charge you to use outlook..can you believe that..? S;o) > > > > > > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > > > ( the parable about the strangers crossing the road rather than > > > > helping the man in need comes to mind) > > > Sheelagh, why are you bothering? This is not a real person engaging in > > > conversation; this is a troll being intentionally outrageous. You > > > can't truly engage him; you can't get through to him; nothing you say > > > will induce him to respond as if he were actually a member of the > > > human race. Ignore him. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! Really. Ignore him > > > completely, and he'll get bored and go play somewhere else.. > >You think me a troll, ehh....? A no-life in need of that kind of > >twisted attention....? > You said, we just all agree with it.. With what? What did I say that you all agreed with? > >Okay. Alright. I'll prove to you how wrong you > >are by offering this gesture... I won't respond to her lengthy and > >obviously well-thought out reply. > >There... Happy now...??? The only person getting hurt here is her.. > > Sigh, grow up child.. > How do you add retards like this to the ignore list in outlook again ?- While you're at it, you can add THIS retard to your f.cking list. http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=asOhHQsAAADFFJr4y8hMm8Mpc77QjgXi That would be YOURSELF. Because anyone with over 239,000 usenet postings is a hands-down LOZER. A no-life social f.cking vegetable with nothing to care for and no one to care for him back. f.cking dishonest pile of translucent luke-warm dog-sh.t. You best keep the hell out of my way. IBen Getiner > >You think me a troll, ehh....? A no-life in need of that kind of > >twisted attention...? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How do you add retards like this to the ignore list in outlook again ? 15 From: Matthew - view profile Date: Thurs, Jan 4 2007 9:21 am "sheelagh" Sheelagh my advice on kill filing them and moving on was given to you for a reason. All you are doing is empowering the twit you a responding too. If you notice no one else pays any attention to idiots like that . I know they piss you off but that is what they want you to do read a little bit about idiots like that http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/internet_troll.html http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/internet_troll.html There we are. Sorry it took so long for me to locate it.. But I assure you it was well worth the wait for, lol... I took the advice and now enjoy a trouble and stife free life Best of luck too.. S:o) > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > IBen Getiner ho ho ho sarcastic humour right? kind of funny and slightly risque by verging on being sick and un PC you almost had me there, I almost thought you were telling the truth about how you felt but only a real sick moron would honestly believe the kind of sentiments that you are posting very droll, keep up the razor sharp wit bookie > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - "As it was in the beginning, iz now and ever shall be, World without end, Amen...Amen" lappcatt@webtv.net http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Oo5_yRIAAABll9oOytJjOgc3_y0F_eM KpbyajUBv9M9XLUB2gqkZmQ lappcat@webtv.net http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=7i-zsREAAAA9CMwyW3hmGMPedfFsWLS DIZ6HvvJW0y4Pue0pYgAOJQ&utoken=vMCT3k8AAACjyCD9D4lzYOrZMtRAyWlraMDGVAaLQfSgxmg2R hLt1l68ijQx5dycynAX-JwMlN170Jvb8MbRBDQg32195AdFVw20UKGQl9PtiG1ogKBRAg iappcatt@aol.com http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=zpetXhAAAAC-eu6JoRUJ-hEOfJzAHaGx lappcatt@msn.com http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=5M7eHBAAAABW99JFByCqabvrig58ggYm lappcatt@aol.com http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=gIqqFRAAAABu9YS8cMjGeCWbWeXTfyvP > > > A Humane shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > bookie- Hide quoted text - "As IBen was in the beginning, iz now and ever shall be, World without end, Amen...Amen" lappc...@webtv.net http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Oo5_yRIAAABll9oOytJj... lapp...@webtv.net http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=7i-zsREAAAA9CMwyW3hm... iappc...@aol.com http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=zpetXhAAAAC-eu6JoRUJ... lappc...@msn.com http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=5M7eHBAAAABW99JFByCq... lappc...@aol.com http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=gIqqFRAAAABu9YS8cMjG... Last December, we had a huge power outage for several days. During the first night, there were several fires from candles. One lady had two kids, and they thought the candles were all out. They were just those little tea candles, and they were in metal cans. But 2 hours after they went to bed, the house caught fire. They were able to escape, but they lost all 13 cats and 2 dogs. The power was out. It was dark. And it took 20 minutes for the fire department to find a route that worked since there were trees down all over the place. I cannot imagine losing so many animals at once. I struggle everytime I lose just one. > Last December, we had a huge power outage for several days. During the > first night, there were several fires from candles. One lady had two [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I cannot imagine losing so many animals at once. I struggle everytime > I lose just one. That sounds terrible...!! Only a few weeks ago we were discussing the idea of putting stickers and posts up in our windows to alert The Fire Brigade to the fact that there are animals in our houses. I am not trying to suggest that we should ask the Brigade to rescue our pets first,... more that if there is a reasonable chance that they can be saved, that we wish them to try to without endangering their lives of course... I have only seen one such story personally. It was a family of with 2 kids and 2 dogs. Father came home, got a bit peckish( hungry), left the chip pan on & it boiled over setting light to the house whilst he fell asleep in front of the T.V. Father died, & so did the dogs, as they were all down stairs.. But mother threw her sons out the window and jumped after them. Very tragic, & certainly not something you ever expect to happen to you, is it? And your right. Even one cat is enough to mourn, never mind multiple cases S. > > Last December, we had a huge power outage for several days. During the > > first night, there were several fires from candles. One lady had two [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > S. actually I would rather the fire brigade rescued my cats, i can get myself out but my cats would probably just do sometihg stupid like hide undre the bed and not have the sense to go for the nearest exit so they woudl need the help to ghet out of a burning building. If i died in a the fire trying to rescue them then that is the way it goes, it woudl hardly be much of a loss for one human to die and anyway I could not live with myself if i had survived but my cats had not and they had perished in such a frightening and horrific way . anyway what is one less human on this planet? they are so many of us and we are so destructive and selfish that losing one or two is hardly a big deal, we are not in any danger of becoming extinct any day soon, and I am sure I have done a few things which have contributed to the destrucion of the planet in my time. My pusscats however have lead fairly innocent lives (a few birds and mice notwithstanding) and they do not deserve to die like that in my view. and yes sheelagh i am concerned about the animals in the shelter but in my position both financial and geographical I do nto know what i can do to help, is there anything I can do? bookie > > > Last December, we had a huge power outage for several days. During the > > > first night, there were several fires from candles. One lady had two [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >I am not trying to suggest that we should ask the Brigade to rescue >our pets first,... more that if there is a reasonable chance that they >can be saved, that we wish them to try to without endangering their >lives of course... Actually, I probably didn't word that properly. You know how useless my grammar is.. What I was trying to say was that I would ask them to rescue my cats as long as it didn't put *their* lives in danger... Like you, I couldn't really give a fig about myself. as long as I got my kids and the cats out, the rest could burn to a cinder for all I care.... ( Oh & Mr Sheelagh, for Ibenz sake too, lol;o) I am no one to talk about Global warming either. It is only in the last 2 years that I have got rid of the coal fire and installed gas central heating, I used disposable nappies for 5 kids(unwittingly @ the time), & I have driven gas guzzling cars too.. However, now is not then, & you would have to be a freak not to notice that we have an extended autumn in the UK now, then a few cold snaps in March, then a very long hot Indian summer right through to autumn again...!!!! Our coast lines are being eaten away all the time on the east coast & houses are falling into the see. The village I live in used to be called Saltarium for a good reason, because it was on the coast, before men & women decided to claim it back from the sea through dyke systems..but slowly the sea is claiming it back again & we will be back to square one... I believe the cats would do a better job of caring for the planet too... ( especially if Ringo & Liger were in charge, lol;o) If there is no global warming, then why is are all of these things happening? I feel the same way about that shelter too. I wish I could help them more. It sounded dreadful. I guess the only way we could help them would be to send them a pitiful donation, which won't be until the Naughty P's (aka Naughty pants kittens, Poppy, Pinky, Paddy) go to their new slaves.... I know sh.t happens, but that sounded really sad, didn't it? S;o) PS: Sometimes life sux GLOBAL WARMING = JUNK SCIENCE >actually I would rather the fire brigade rescued my cats, i can get >myself out but my cats would probably just do sometihg stupid like >hide undre the bed and not have the sense to go for the nearest exit >so they woudl need the help to ghet out of a burning building. I suspect in thise case, it wouldn't have done much good. It was a really bad situation with over 2 million customers without power. Their new plan for disasters now includes generators for all fire stations (what, they didn't have them before?!? Geez!). Anyway, it sounded like it was veryhard to find anything and it took longer for the fire crew to get there. The house was probably engulfed with the people out. Neighbors set traps for days and combed the shelters hoping to find any escapees. >and yes sheelagh i am concerned about the animals in the shelter but >in my position both financial and geographical I do nto know what i >can do to help, is there anything I can do? I had the same feeling here. I wasn't able to donate with money, and the things on their needed list were not items I had extra of. I did find a way to donate something useful (time and skill) rather than money. Sometimes that is all we can do. When I adopted Jay Jay, I became friends with the shelter lady. I have always admired those who can foster. I can't because I would keep them all. And I can't donate money very often. So, I just try to help out when I can. Which just reminded me that I need to pack up two bags of cat litter this weekend. Sometimes the shelter lady gets donations at shows, but can't fit them in her van. So, I have two bags of litter that aren't mine that can be returned to her this weekend. : We can always make the little things add up. > >actually I would rather the fire brigade rescued my cats, i can get > >myself out but my cats would probably just do sometihg stupid like [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > We can always make the little things add up. Ask this "shelter lady" why she doesn't foster people babies. That's 'human children', in case you're confused concerning the importance factor between higher and lower mammals. That might help ring a bell in there somewhere. > > >actually I would rather the fire brigade rescued my cats, i can get > > >myself out but my cats would probably just do sometihg stupid like [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - because she doesn't want to risk ending up with some f.cked up nutcase like you in her house that's probably why she doesn't foster kids. anyway, kids are gross > >actually I would rather the fire brigade rescued my cats, i can get > >myself out but my cats would probably just do something stupid like [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > We can always make the little things add up. > When I adopted Jay Jay, I became friends with the shelter lady. I have > always admired those who can foster. I can't because I would keep them [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > We can always make the little things add up. You are right of course. I go and help out with the mucky side of things, lol.. I am the cattery maid & I show potential adopters around @ mine. Any help is a huge help. I can remember a friend of my mothers swearing that when she died, she wouldn't be leaving a penny to her kids because they never bothered with her when they left home, but her cat had always been there for her. She got her cat from the same shelter that I work @ & sure enough, when she died a couple of years ago, she left every single penny to the shelter, who she felt deserved it far more than anyone else that she could think of, lol;o) Good for her..!! I don't know where you live, but in the UK, you will often hear of older people threatening to disinherit their kids & leave it all to a cats home...& surprisingly, they do you know!! We get people handing syringes in in, left over medications, small donations & simple thins like cat litters, food & even flea treatments. some of them we are allowed to use, but other bits we are not allowed to, so we pass them on to other smaller charities, often abroad that do accept them, more than gratefully too... Well done to you & to all of the people like you..It is more than appreaciated ....ALWAYS S;o) on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:25:16 GMT, "sheelagh" > Any help is a huge help. Amen.  SignatureLynne >We get people handing syringes in in, left over medications, small >donations & simple thins like cat litters, food & even flea [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Well done to you & to all of the people like you..It is more than >appreaciated ....ALWAYS Yes, after Kira died, I donated her leftover medications. Supplements, some leftover antibibotics, some treats for seniors, an fluid bag that was still good and only missing one dose. The needles are changed each time, so it was still useful. The only thing I didn't donate was the liquid medicine since it was contaminated from Kira. This is the 3rd shelter in the last couple months that has caught fire her in Florida. It is a sad reminder about life. Purrs and Prayers for the lost ones >A Human shelter burned down last night in Florida, USA. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > S. > http://www.news4jax.com/news/11576949/detail.html > This is the 3rd shelter in the last couple months that has caught fire her > in Florida. It is a sad reminder about life. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Show quoted text - thought that it might be some nutter going round and torching the shelters? not all nutcases are like IBen and just vent their spleen over the ionternet, some actually go out there and do nasty stuff. not a nice thought but this is not a nice world bookie > This is the 3rd shelter in the last couple months that has caught fire her > in Florida. It is a sad reminder about life. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > This is the 3rd shelter in the last couple months that has caught fire her > in Florida. It is a sad reminder about life. > > Purrs and Prayers for the lost ones The first thing that came to my mind was exactly the same thing... Is someone torching them? I assume you are familiar with the word Torching? (If not, it means to deliberately set fir to to something, somewhere..basically a pyromaniac on the loose out there?) It seems very coincidental that one or two should burn down.!! But three, is past happenstance, doesn't it? If you haven't been overrun with forest fires recently, I was hazard a guess and say that you could have a pyromaniac maniac on the loose in Florida? It was a terrible thing to happen..!! I feel the same way, may they purr all of the way over the Rainbow Bridge... As far as I am concerned, if it was a pyromaniac, may he/she suffer eternally. The ancient Egyptians revered the cat for a very good reason..Because their spirits go on for ever, & The thought of them being punished by them is a very nice one indeed... It really must be devastating for the residents of Florida though.. You live there Matthew. Can you think of anything that we can o to help them other than send donations? It was horrifying to read about & a real heart-string puller story. Very Sad indeed S. >> This is the 3rd shelter in the last couple months that has caught fire >> her [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > a real heart-string puller story. Very Sad indeed > S. I live about 2 hours away from Jax. the other shelters one was local about a month ago the other was about 2 months ago down south. If it is a arsonist they are traveling to do this which is not in the usual motivations for one. Donations money and pet supplies is the best thing unless your a building contactor and can donate time and supplies The local shelter that I was sponsoring had to close last year due to political bulls@t zoning laws. We complied with every change they did but some commissars wanted the area changed to a commercial area from agriculture. They did everything to change the area. The property owner gave up after 5 years of fighting and moved the shelter about 3 hours away. A big loss to our area but things happen for a reason. Now I give my $$$ and anything that another shelter needs to another big no kill local shelter. This shelter moved to a full agriculture area and has a 30 year writ to prevent problems. But she has so many volunteers and foster families all she needs is donations. So that is what I am doing now unless there is an emergency than I am there. But I need to go back to D.A.R.T. and get recertified it has been a couple years since my training on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:08:01 GMT, "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > The local shelter that I was sponsoring had to close last year due to > political bulls@t zoning laws That happened to a private shelter around here, but they couldn't get the financial support they needed to secure another property. They ended up having an adoption rush and closing their doors. Very sad. SignatureLynne > >> This is the 3rd shelter in the last couple months that has caught fire > >> her [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The local shelter that I was sponsoring had to close last year due to > political bulls@t zoning laws That happened to a private shelter around here, but they couldn't get the financial support they needed to secure another property. They ended up having an adoption rush and closing their doors. Very sad. -- Lynne Well that is good news. Funny thing about the news is that you hear about the catastrophe, but you never seem to hear about the work that happens afterwards & the hard work that people put into ensuring that these problems don't happen. I am ever so pleased to hear that your local one got a (writ..??) to stay there for a good few years to come. I guess from our point of view, the best thing we can do is send a few $$ then? I would order some food and have it sent to them, but I have no idea what their diet is or if they even need it... This is going to sound dreadful, but It is the truth so I will say it. when you have lived in a third world African country & then you come to the UK and compare it, you suddenly realise that the math doesn't add up @ all. you hear of X amount of Millions of pounds, sometimes Billions of £ or $'s being pumped into the economies out there... but the realities are that it hardly ever gets to where the money was intended. Instead, you realise that the president has got a new helicopter pad or his or her new Palace is almost complete..Consequently, it makes me very sceptical about donating money because of irregularities like that.. But then again,. USA pet appeals are nothing like what I describe. I mention it merely as an explanation as to why some people are reluctant to send bare cash appeals sometimes. I am certain that in this case, it would be the right thing to do, so I will. Thanks for explaining about the shelters Matthew. I think that in the UK, we forget that some of your states are twice the size of our whole country. for instance, when I hear that it happened in Florida, I think to myself.."Ah, now Matthew lives there", but in my mind I forget that size doesn't come into it. I am thinking of the size of Cambridge shire, rather than thinking that both are relative, because they are not, are they? Either way it was a terrible shame, & like you, I am pulling a prayer for the kitty's and pup's there too. what does DART mean BTW? I hope you don't mind my asking? S;o) On 11 Apr, 17:08, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The local shelter that I was sponsoring had to close last year due to > political bulls@t zoning laws That happened to a private shelter around here, but they couldn't get the financial support they needed to secure another property. They ended up having an adoption rush and closing their doors. Very sad. -- Lynne Well that is good news. Funny thing about the news is that you hear about the catastrophe, but you never seem to hear about the work that happens afterwards & the hard work that people put into ensuring that these problems don't happen. I am ever so pleased to hear that your local one got a (writ..??) to a writ in this case is a 30 year permit and lease from the state. It prevents the rezone and changing of their area unless the property owner which is her approvals the changes. So for the next 30 years the county can't do a thing to them stay there for a good few years to come. I guess from our point of view, the best thing we can do is send a few $$ then? I would order some food and have it sent to them, but I have no idea what their diet is or if they even need it... This is going to sound dreadful, but It is the truth so I will say it. when you have lived in a third world African country & then you come to the UK and compare it, you suddenly realise that the math doesn't add up @ all. you hear of X amount of Millions of pounds, sometimes Billions of £ or $'s being pumped into the economies out there... but the realities are that it hardly ever gets to where the money was intended. Instead, you realise that the president has got a new helicopter pad or his or her new Palace is almost complete..Consequently, it makes me very sceptical about donating money because of irregularities like that.. But then again,. USA pet appeals are nothing like what I describe. I mention it merely as an explanation as to why some people are reluctant to send bare cash appeals sometimes. I am certain that in this case, it would be the right thing to do, so I will. Thanks for explaining about the shelters Matthew. I think that in the UK, we forget that some of your states are twice the size of our whole country. for instance, when I hear that it happened in Florida, I think to myself.."Ah, now Matthew lives there", but in my mind I forget that size doesn't come into it. I am thinking of the size of Cambridge shire, rather than thinking that both are relative, because they are not, are they? Either way it was a terrible shame, & like you, I am pulling a prayer for the kitty's and pup's there too. what does DART mean BTW? I hope you don't mind my asking? S;o) D.A.R.T Disaster Animal Rescue Teams http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_so_disaster I am in this general area in Florida http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Deland,+florida&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=8&ll=28 .454204,-81.474609&spn=2.405006,3.658447&om=1 I am in Between Daytona Beach and Sanford but you can get the general reference On 11 Apr, 17:08, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The local shelter that I was sponsoring had to close last year due to > political bulls@t zoning laws That happened to a private shelter around here, but they couldn't get the financial support they needed to secure another property. They ended up having an adoption rush and closing their doors. Very sad. -- Lynne Well that is good news. Funny thing about the news is that you hear about the catastrophe, but you never seem to hear about the work that happens afterwards & the hard work that people put into ensuring that these problems don't happen. I am ever so pleased to hear that your local one got a (writ..??) to a writ in this case is a 30 year permit and lease from the state. It prevents the rezone and changing of their area unless the property owner which is her approvals the changes. So for the next 30 years the county can't do a thing to them stay there for a good few years to come. I guess from our point of view, the best thing we can do is send a few $$ then? I would order some food and have it sent to them, but I have no idea what their diet is or if they even need it... This is going to sound dreadful, but It is the truth so I will say it. when you have lived in a third world African country & then you come to the UK and compare it, you suddenly realise that the math doesn't add up @ all. you hear of X amount of Millions of pounds, sometimes Billions of £ or $'s being pumped into the economies out there... but the realities are that it hardly ever gets to where the money was intended. Instead, you realise that the president has got a new helicopter pad or his or her new Palace is almost complete..Consequently, it makes me very sceptical about donating money because of irregularities like that.. But then again,. USA pet appeals are nothing like what I describe. I mention it merely as an explanation as to why some people are reluctant to send bare cash appeals sometimes. I am certain that in this case, it would be the right thing to do, so I will. Thanks for explaining about the shelters Matthew. I think that in the UK, we forget that some of your states are twice the size of our whole country. for instance, when I hear that it happened in Florida, I think to myself.."Ah, now Matthew lives there", but in my mind I forget that size doesn't come into it. I am thinking of the size of Cambridge shire, rather than thinking that both are relative, because they are not, are they? Either way it was a terrible shame, & like you, I am pulling a prayer for the kitty's and pup's there too. what does DART mean BTW? I hope you don't mind my asking? S;o) D.A.R.T Disaster Animal Rescue Teams http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_so_disaster I am in this general area in Florida http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Deland,+florida&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=8&ll=28 .454204,-81.474609&spn=2.405006,3.658447&om=1 I am in Between Daytona Beach and Sanford but you can get the general reference > On 11 Apr, 17:08, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 160 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for both of those links. They helped explain a lot of things to me & I found it really interesting too. I couldn't help noticing that you live near quite a few famous/well known places. Orlando is Disneyland, cape canaveral & Miami. Well, they are famous to us, put it that way, lol... And the disaster training is something that they should have over here too. I think it would be a really useful thing to have knowledge of. I wonder if you ever go and watch the space shuttles being launched? That is something that is on my " I would love to do this before my days are over", list... The map of Florida is probably just as big as England is.. I really couldn't tell.. It looks like it is about of the same place as Sierra Leone is on the opposite side of the Atlantic is..? Sometimes I miss living there... It was home for most of my childhood & I found it an enormous culture shock when I moved back to the UK too. I was born on the East Coast of Africa, then raised on the West. Do you originate from Florida, or did you migrate towards it? It was ever so hot in the UK today. Around 20 degree's. I can't imagine what summer will be like this year... All of the cats seem to get ratty in the humidity. Perhaps it is something to do with their long coats..( the Birmans and Ragdolls I mean..)... the other cats pay it no mind.. S;o) On 11 Apr, 18:37, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 169 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for both of those links. They helped explain a lot of things to me & I found it really interesting too. I couldn't help noticing that you live near quite a few famous/well known places. Orlando is Disneyland, cape canaveral & Miami. Well, they are famous to us, put it that way, lol... And the disaster training is something that they should have over here too. I think it would be a really useful thing to have knowledge of. I wonder if you ever go and watch the space shuttles being launched? That is something that is on my " I would love to do this before my days are over", list... The map of Florida is probably just as big as England is.. I really couldn't tell.. It looks like it is about of the same place as Sierra Leone is on the opposite side of the Atlantic is..? Sometimes I miss living there... It was home for most of my childhood & I found it an enormous culture shock when I moved back to the UK too. I was born on the East Coast of Africa, then raised on the West. Do you originate from Florida, or did you migrate towards it? It was ever so hot in the UK today. Around 20 degree's. I can't imagine what summer will be like this year... All of the cats seem to get ratty in the humidity. Perhaps it is something to do with their long coats..( the Birmans and Ragdolls I mean..)... the other cats pay it no mind.. S;o) I have seen the shuttle launch so many times that I stopped counting. I was there in 1986 when challenger was destroyed I am waiting for June to go watch the next launch I do my best to go there to watch each landing or launch. The night launches are the best it turns day into night. Go here to watch some launches http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html I have been to Disney so many times about an hour away. Been to Miami beach almost monthly about a 4 hour trip It was 85 degrees today by summer it will be 90 - 120 without the humidity on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:10:42 GMT, "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > It was 85 degrees today by summer it will be 90 - 120 without the > humidity You forgot to mention that roaches in florida are the size of small cats. SignatureLynne > on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:10:42 GMT, "Matthew" > <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You forgot to mention that roaches in florida are the size of small cats. To be technical they are palmetto bugs ( to us roaches that fly ) are far as the furballs are concerned they are lunch :^) No matter how clean your house or car is they find away in pesticides or not. Something about 4 am hearing the furball in the bathroom shower jumping the walls than a loud crunching sound. Than them walking out of the bathroom with their tail straight up in the air than jumping on your bed wanting to head butt you. EEK > > on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:10:42 GMT, "Matthew" > > <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > bathroom with their tail straight up in the air than jumping on your bed > wanting to head butt you. EEK ROFLOL >"o"< Plenty for the cats to then... Who needs toys when you have prey to hunt? S;o) > > on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:10:42 GMT, "Matthew" > > <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > bathroom with their tail straight up in the air than jumping on your bed > wanting to head butt you. EEK > No matter how clean your house or car is they find away in pesticides or > not. Something about 4 am hearing the furball in the bathroom shower > jumping the walls than a loud crunching sound. Than them walking out of the > bathroom with their tail straight up in the air than jumping on your bed > wanting to head butt you. EEK ROFLOL >"o"< S;o) > On 11 Apr, 18:37, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 214 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think your mum is wiser than you realise. She had a good point when she advised you that you would make a good teacher,. I think so too!! I also wanted to thank you for the links that you provided for me once again. Once again, they were very informative and just what I was looking for. That must have been a heart rending moment when you were watching the challenger shuttle fall out of the sky? It is the sort of thing that no one ever expects to have to witness, especially when you have watched so many successful launch missions in the past!! I guess that you are also there when the launches are aborted @ the last moment too? One day, I will get over there to see what it is like myself. Most of the kids are at the age where they are *thinking* about leaving home, except for the younger two. I will miss them of course, because being a mum is part of who you are. However, Of course I will miss them, but I don't think that I am going to suffer too much from empty nest syndrome ( I am not sure yet, but because having children has taken up all of my adult life I have a feeling that there will be so much to do that I won't feel too sad about it), & there are so many things that are on my *I must try & do this list*, that it will take until the rest of my life to do them all.... I need to go to adult college to pass exams to be able to do the vast majority of them, but traveling would be a big part of that future.... I don't envy the heat or the humidity. but then again, you probably have air conditioners like we did in Africa, to take the edge of it ? I think that there is a hell of a lot of money to be made in the future in the UK with installation of air conditioning. If the general public where more aware of what it was and how readily available it is, then they would opt for it..I am certain of it. All I have to do now is figure out how to promote the idea, then market & install it for them.... (via sub contractors of course!!) Out of interest, do the kitties prefer lounging out in the sun when they are not chasing around monster flying Roaches, < the size of small cats, or not as the case may be> or do they prefer the comfort of the middle of your bed @ night when the air conditioning is turned on? S;o) > > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > > - Show quoted text - yes i think the same thing about distances and i forget that states out there are so much larger than our counties, i always think they are the same. i too woudl send money but i have none, i have time and energy though and tend to put that into helping our local cat's protection league (usually shaking tins on street corners, outside supermarkets, on our high street where all the nasty kids I used to teach can point and shout abuse at me (but they do that anyway). I was going to bake some cakes for our spring fair this saturday morning but my cake baking services are not required it seems :-( instead i will probably be just manning, or should that be womanning, a stall of some sort. I didn't think the cakes I made for the last one was that bad, oh well btw terri's previous owners who left her behind when they moved house have still not called me back about coming to get her so i think she is here to stay, which my housemates are pleased abuot (but they are not paying for her food or vet bills or cleaning out her litter tray, or getting up at 6am to feed her). They don't deserve her anyway, she is too gorgeous for them, a real sweetie bookie > > > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > yes i think the same thing about distances and i forget that states > out there are so much larger than our counties, i always think they > are the same Me too.... > i too woudl send money but i have none, i have time and energy though > and tend to put that into helping our local cat's protection league [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > services are not required it seems :-( > instead i will probably be just manning, or should that be womanning, I only had a 10er to send, but if that heps toward theanything they need then it was a 10er well spent.... No doubt my mother will leave her entire estate to the cats home, so eventually some kitty;s will get a damened good windfall, lol She is always threatening to do it..It would make me laugh if she did... > i too woudl send money but i have none, i have time and energy though > and tend to put that into helping our local cat's protection league [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I didn't think the cakes I made for the last one was that bad, oh well ROFLOL... The dreaded summer fete hey? Don't worry, I get the same responsibilities with cat protection league as well, & even my lots snotty nosed little mates do the same thing to me, sniggering behind their hands... I gave up the cake making a few years ago. I found it was cheaper to buy some and send them in...mind you, my scones were rather like concrete drops... But the thought of standing next to a stall all day (@ my decrepit age) is all a bit too much for me now, lol;o) > btw terri's previous owners who left her behind when they moved house > have still not called me back about coming to get her so i think she > is here to stay, which my housemates are pleased abuot (but they are > not paying for her food or vet bills or cleaning out her litter tray, > or getting up at 6am to feed her). They don't deserve her anyway, she > is too gorgeous for them, a real sweetie.. I'm really pleased to hear this bit of news. Frankly, they don't deserve her. It was an incredibly cruel way to treat her, & by the sound of what you tell us, then she is most definately better off with you. It helps that the house mates like her, but even if they were not elated, I am sure that you would talk them into keeping her all the same. She is a sweetie pie after all is said & done. I can't get over the fact that they simply moved & left her there to fend for her self. SHOCKING!! S;o) > > > "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I don't know about any one else, but I am finding Google in almost reverse today..same for anyone else? I am ever so pleased to hear that you will be keeping Terri. Her previous owners didn't deserve her at all!! It's Terri's gain & their loss, thankfully!! >"o"< S;o) |
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