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Geoff - 02 May 2004 16:29 GMT
Hi, I just joined this newsgroup.  I have 2 cats, they are 8 months old.  If
anyone comes over they hide under my bed and won't come out.  And if they
happen to come out for a sec and see my company the one will run away, the
other will growl and hiss... what is the best way to socialize my cat?
Also, we just purchased a dog and the cats have spent the last 24 hours
quivering in their spots afraid to go anywhere near the dog (3 months old).
And the same one if the dog gets too close will hiss... so how should I
handle this?  Also, what is the best way to stop my cat from hissing, I
don't want this to become a habit for her.  Oh yeah, they are all females if
that makes a difference.  Thanks

Geoff
Laura R. - 02 May 2004 16:35 GMT
circa Sun, 02 May 2004 15:29:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Geoff (gergath@telus.net) said,

> Hi, I just joined this newsgroup.  I have 2 cats, they are 8 months old.  If
> anyone comes over they hide under my bed and won't come out.  And if they
> happen to come out for a sec and see my company the one will run away, the
> other will growl and hiss... what is the best way to socialize my cat?

Either have more people over more often, or live with having
chickens**t cats. I went with the latter approach, myself. :-)

> Also, we just purchased a dog and the cats have spent the last 24 hours
> quivering in their spots afraid to go anywhere near the dog (3 months old).
> And the same one if the dog gets too close will hiss... so how should I
> handle this?  Also, what is the best way to stop my cat from hissing, I
> don't want this to become a habit for her.  Oh yeah, they are all females if
> that makes a difference.  Thanks

Time. Let her hiss. It's normal, and it's instinctive, and you're
never going to "stop" a cat from hissing to express feeling
threatened. Let her do it. Eventually, she'll get used to the dog. Or
she won't, and she'll continue to hiss at the dog. Either way, that's
just the way cats are. :-)

Laura
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Karen Chuplis - 02 May 2004 17:20 GMT
> circa Sun, 02 May 2004 15:29:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Geoff (gergath@telus.net) said,
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>
> Laura

Even our biggest hissers eventually got over hissing at the dogs. I also
suggest establishing a very solid "routine". The cats are not going to get
confident if new things continue to be thrown at them. I also agree that the
way they will get used to visitors is by having lots of visitors. Depending
on if your visitors are amenable to helping you "train" them, you could also
have friend over who will sit on the floor with you. This is always more non
threatening and the cats will usually get curious enough to come out. If the
visits are pleasant and without ruckus, I bet they will get better about it.

Karen
Geoff - 02 May 2004 18:22 GMT
> > Time. Let her hiss. It's normal, and it's instinctive, and you're
> > never going to "stop" a cat from hissing to express feeling
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>
> Karen

My friends come over quite often however even with my parents over and we
are very quite they hide under the bed and will not move for the duration,
they arn't curious enough I guess.
Karen Chuplis - 02 May 2004 22:02 GMT
>>> Time. Let her hiss. It's normal, and it's instinctive, and you're
>>> never going to "stop" a cat from hissing to express feeling
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> are very quite they hide under the bed and will not move for the duration,
> they arn't curious enough I guess.

Keep it up. Maybe give them special yummy treats after the guests leave.
They might come to associate treats with guests.

Karen
Mary - 03 May 2004 02:01 GMT
"Karen Chuplis" <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote > Keep it up. Maybe give them
special yummy treats after the guests leave. They might come to associate
treats with guests.

Aha! Good idea!
Mary - 02 May 2004 18:44 GMT
> circa Sun, 02 May 2004 15:29:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Geoff (gergath@telus.net) said,
> >
> Either have more people over more often, or live with having chickens**t
cats. I went with the latter approach, myself. :-)

That would be my best advice too. We rarely have company, and then rarely
more than one or two people for a quiet dinner, so my girls flee if they
hear the doorbell and hide under things if they hear a strange voice.
Gnarly, on the other hand, would go up to anyone and just stand and stare at
them. She rarely hid, even though we lived alone together. My explanation
for that is that she was a really, really dumb cat. Dumbest I have ever
seen, bless her heart. And she did not love me more than everyone else--she
disliked everyone equally and did not like to be petted. But she would stand
and stare. :)
Laura R. - 02 May 2004 19:47 GMT
circa Sun, 02 May 2004 17:44:29 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > circa Sun, 02 May 2004 15:29:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> > Geoff (gergath@telus.net) said,
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> disliked everyone equally and did not like to be petted. But she would stand
> and stare. :)

Gotta love and equal opportunity hater. ;-)

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Laura R. - 02 May 2004 19:48 GMT
circa Sun, 02 May 2004 18:47:34 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Laura R. (UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com) said,

> Gotta love and equal opportunity hater. ;-)

Er, "an" equal opportunity hater, that is.
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Mary - 02 May 2004 20:12 GMT
> Er, "an" equal opportunity hater, that is.

Gotcha. :') You know, when I waxed lovey over Gnarly, about the only thing I
could gush about was "She has the softest fur in the whole world." I mean, I
couldn't say "Oh, look at my sweet, smart, lovey little Gnarly." Of course
she was pretty. And she did have a pulse. That was enough for me for 18
years. I'll just leave the nature of the men I dated to your imagination.
LOL!
Laura R. - 03 May 2004 06:24 GMT
circa Sun, 02 May 2004 19:12:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> > Er, "an" equal opportunity hater, that is.
>
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> years. I'll just leave the nature of the men I dated to your imagination.
> LOL!

You know, now that I think about it, there does seem to be a
correlation...

Hmm.
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Mary - 03 May 2004 21:40 GMT
> You know, now that I think about it, there does seem to be a
correlation...

> Hmm.

Oh my. Bet we can tell some similar stories from our 20s. They say "whatever
doesn't kill you makes you stronger." One would hope!
Laura R. - 04 May 2004 01:15 GMT
circa Mon, 03 May 2004 20:40:25 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > You know, now that I think about it, there does seem to be a
> correlation...
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> Oh my. Bet we can tell some similar stories from our 20s. They say "whatever
> doesn't kill you makes you stronger." One would hope!

I surely do hope so, or I really blew a lot of supposed strengthening
time in my twenties!
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Dennis Carr - 02 May 2004 18:23 GMT
> Hi, I just joined this newsgroup.  I have 2 cats, they are 8 months old.  If
> anyone comes over they hide under my bed and won't come out.  

Well, cats is cats.

We had two cats who just weren't social AT ALL unless they really got to
know you, and our two girls right now just love anybody who comes in.
Lina doesn't mind being picked up, Zel can't stand it (yet crawls under
the blankets at night to snuggle with my wife or myself - or both).  

So I'm going to pretty much echo Laura R's comment.  They gotta get used
to the people, or you gotta get used to the quirks.  Hopefully they'll
come around.

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Alison - 03 May 2004 14:46 GMT
> Hi, I just joined this newsgroup.  I have 2 cats, they are 8 months old.  If
> anyone comes over they hide under my bed and won't come out.  And if they
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>
> Geoff

Hi Geoff,
   You need to let the cats settle and get used to the shock of a
puppy living with them before you try to tackle the visitor problem.
They won't be in the mood to accept visitors and might associate the
puppy with them and be even less receptive.
  Its difficult with cats of nervous disposition and those that
haven't been socialised as a kitten.   As Karen says,  you need to
have a vistior(s) willing to work with you on a regular basis and get
down on the floor. First you need a room they are relaxed in, where
can't run to hide under the beds but where  they  have somewhere to
climb to feel safe (cat trees are useful ). Don't let the visitor
knock or ring the bell as this is a signal to run and hide. Put the
pup in another room and hope he doesn't cry or whine as that increases
tension.  I would ignore the cats and not even look at them to start
with, just sit and chat with your friends to give them(the cats) a
chance to relax a bit and be less tense. Try leaving out some tempting
treats like tuna in the hope it will lure them out . Also, if they
start to relax , try playing with them with string toy that they can
chase. Let the cats approach the visitor and not the other way around.
You want the cats to associate the visitors with nice things when they
are in the room not after they have left.  I expect it would take a
good few visits before your cats start to relax and not want to run
away .

The principles are the same with the pup.They need to associate him
with good things. Don't let him  chase them or even approach them
until they are more used to him , you might need to keep him on a lead
when the cats are in the same room. Distract  him with a toy if you
can.  Having somewhere high where they can watch the pup but he can't
get to close will make them feel safer. I think you should work on
getting them to accept the pup before he gets too big .
You need to encourage your cats to not want to run away but not over
do it by  flooding them and increasing their fear. A step at a time is
best.
Alison
 
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