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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2007Fancy Feast--Wheat Gluten Free Varieties
Tender Beef Feast Beef and Chicken Feast Flaked Fish and Shrimp Feast Flaked Ocean Fish Feast Gourmet Chicken Feast Cod, Sole and Shrimp Feast Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Feast Savory Salmon Feast Seafood Feast Tender Liver and Chicken Feast Turkey and Giblets Feast *Chopped Grill Feast (but the first ingredient is byproducts, unlike the above) *Beef and Liver feast, ditto These are just the flavors listed at PetFoodDirect.com, and just the ones that have the ingredients listed. If the ingredients of a certain flavor were left out, I left the flavor out. It seems like most of the "grilled" varieties and other "saucy" varieties have wheat gluten, sometimes as a SECOND ingredient. Because my cat seems to be allergic to wheat (though corn does not bother her) I have always bought the brands of FF without wheat gluten. Thank you. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > Tender Beef Feast > Beef and Chicken Feast [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Because my cat seems to be allergic to wheat (though corn does not bother > her) I have always bought the brands of FF without wheat gluten. > Thank you. > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. You're welcome. If you go to petfooddirect.com and enter the free sweepstakes for free cat food for the year, they send you a 13% off coupon right away, and that essentially takes care of the shipping! It's a great deal. Right now, the 24-packs of FF are $3 off at $11.99. Then 13% off on top of that, and you don't have to use any gas. Not bad. When I saw the cat food sections at the groceries yesterday, I felt I should get some safe food for my girls asap, if only just to feel better. You know how we women are, always thinking with our emotions, hahaha > Tender Beef Feast > Beef and Chicken Feast [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Because my cat seems to be allergic to wheat (though corn does not bother > her) I have always bought the brands of FF without wheat gluten. I would be careful with checking the ingredients on PetFoodDirect.com. I checked their site last night and some of the ingredients they listed were out-of-date. Compare the ingredients listed on their site with what's on your bag or cans of food at home. The Purina One Chicken & Rice they list is out-of-date. They haven't updated their site since Purina changed the ingredients about one year ago. I'm not saying their website is bad. I'm just saying some of it is out- of-date and maybe you shouldn't go by what you see there. > I'm not saying their website is bad. I'm just saying some of it is out- > of-date and maybe you shouldn't go by what you see there. Thanks, I didn't know that. on Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:44:58 GMT, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> wrote: > These are just the flavors listed at PetFoodDirect.com, and just the > ones that have the ingredients listed. If the ingredients of a certain > flavor were left out, I left the flavor out. It seems like most of the > "grilled" varieties and other "saucy" varieties have wheat gluten, > sometimes as a SECOND ingredient. Thanks for posting this, Cybercat. I've started buying FF for my boys, though Rudy is Not Happy about it. He could stand to lose about 40% of his body weight, though, so I'm okay with that. I think he's eating Levi's share of the Evo dry, but I haven't been able to stop him (and neither has Levi). *sigh*  SignatureLynne With or without wheat gluten, Fancy Feast is nothing but crap. Getting cats on a healthy diet is really important. My cats vet says that he sees more overweight issues with patients than anything else. Also the cheaper the food there is more the possibility of a cat getting crystals in the urinary tract. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Tender Beef Feast > Beef and Chicken Feast [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Because my cat seems to be allergic to wheat (though corn does not bother > her) I have always bought the brands of FF without wheat gluten. > With or without wheat gluten, Fancy Feast is nothing but crap. Getting cats > on a healthy diet is really important. My cats vet says that he sees more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!www.catgalaxymedia.co I'd be interested in some research re: relative proporation of urinary crystals/overweight WRT cats fed Fancy Feast, versus cats fed a strictly dry diet, no matter how high the quality of the dry food. Is this the same vet who told you Friskies was fine, and provided a sound, nutritional diet for any cat? Sherry >> With or without wheat gluten, Fancy Feast is nothing but crap. Getting >> cats [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > sound, nutritional diet for any cat? > Sherry My Boo, the tuxedo with a heart condition and a thyroid problem, got obese on diet Iams dry. On my vet's advice (and Phil's--it was his idea) I took her off free feeding dry and put her on Fancy Feast varieties that have real beef, chicken, fish, liver etc. as a first ingredient, and Boo went from 18 lbs to 9 lbs in a year. I feed her every 12 hours, and now, at age 12, she looks better than she ever has. It's not just FF, it's any cat food that is mostly real meat, is what I think. Most have byproducts as a first ingredient, but many varieties of FF do not. Plus--they just LOVE it. They look forward to eating and sleep it off like they just went on a bender, hahaha! > >> With or without wheat gluten, Fancy Feast is nothing but crap. Getting > >> cats [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > not. Plus--they just LOVE it. They look forward to eating and sleep it > off like they just went on a bender, hahaha!- Hide quoted text - I also remember FF has really improved...there are a few varitieties that are quite healthy, right up on par with premium canned foods WRT phosphorus, ash, etc. Phil posted those a while back...I need to google to remember which ones. Speaking of Phil, is he around still? I've got a problem with Yoda I need to obsess about. He has an appointment tomorrow at 2:30 but that still gives me plenty of time to manifest worst-case scenarios so that I can be adequately freaked out by then. I sure hope it's nothing but age. (not cat-food related though, it's his eye; the outer rim of the iris has turned a murky red-brown color). Seems fine otherwise though. Sherry > Speaking of Phil, is he around still? Check out the "China Gluten Blocked" thread, he actually posted to it this morning. If you recall the Steve Crane/Science Diet debates of years back, you'll appreciate his post. ;) >I've got a problem with Yoda [...] it's his eye; the outer rim of the > iris has turned a murky red-brown color). Seems fine otherwise though. Wow, I have never heard of that. I hope he gets a good report, that is it some harmless quirk. Please let us know what the doctor says. > Speaking of Phil, is he around still? Hiya Sherry. I'm still here- although not as much these days- not much time. I've got a problem with Yoda I > need to obsess about. He has an appointment tomorrow at 2:30 but that > still gives me plenty of time to manifest worst-case scenarios so that > I can be adequately freaked out by then. I sure hope it's nothing but > age. (not cat-food related though, it's his eye; the outer rim of the > iris has turned a murky red-brown color). Does his eye look like this: http://maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/chatter_eye.jpg If so- its just a freckle. >Seems fine otherwise though. Let me know the results of the exam. Give the Yo-man a scritch for me. Phil > > Speaking of Phil, is he around still? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > age. (not cat-food related though, it's his eye; the outer rim of the > > iris has turned a murky red-brown color). No, it doesn't look like the pic. It's a ring, completely around the outer edge of the iris, a little less than 1/4" wide. I was sick yesterday. DH ended up taking him to his appt. The vet said it was caused from trauma to the eye and gave him Neomycin/Polymyxin & Dex Optha drops. I've got doubts about this. I've *had* cats with minor eye trauma. The eye always watered or gunked up. This one isn't, not at all. (no, I didn't take him to the cow vet. This was the feline vet in the city, but they saw the young vet he's added to his practice. That part pissed me off. They did NOT tell me on the phone that the appt. wasn't with the regular vet). So I've been googling. It actually looks more like the pictures of uveitis than anything else. I don't know what to do. It doesn't bother him. I'll do the drops and if it doesn't get better take him back and demand to see the regular vet. Have you ever had a cat w/eye trauma whose eye didn't run, or water or look squinchy? Sherry > Does his eye look like this: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Phil > So I've been googling. It actually looks more like the pictures of > uveitis than anything else. I don't know what to do. It doesn't bother > him. I'll do the drops and if it doesn't get better take him back and > demand to see the regular vet. If it was uveitis, he would be in severe pain and would likely be squinting. The eye would also likely have cloudiness, redness, tearing, and/or bleeding into the eye, but not always. He would definitely be light sensitive, though. If you see these symptoms, consider it a medical emergency. Untreated uveitis can lead to blindness fairly quickly. The only way to diagnose uveitis is with a slit lamp examination, which your regular vet is unlikely to have. I'd take him to a veterinary opthamologist if you aren't sure of your vet's diagnosis. SignatureLynne >> So I've been googling. It actually looks more like the pictures of >> uveitis than anything else. I don't know what to do. It doesn't bother [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I'd take him to a veterinary opthamologist if you aren't sure of your vet's > diagnosis. This makes me wonder if animals can suffer from dry eyes like people do? MLB > > So I've been googling. It actually looks more like the pictures of > > uveitis than anything else. I don't know what to do. It doesn't bother [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > Lynne Oh, I'm sure it's *not* uveitis. What I was trying to do is describe the appearance of the eye, i.e. the type of color change. . If he was squinting or appeared to be in severe pain, I would not have to be told to take him to the vet. :-) Sherry Lynne, Have you had a pet with uveitis? I'm just wondering what are the first symptoms. We have a rabbit that has red eyes, and I noticed she suddenly seemed to not see well on one side. I looked into her eye with a flashlight and saw a white line deep inside, straight up and down. Two vets thought it was from an injury and possibly uveitis. She did not seem to have pain. The eye has since clouded over and the other eye quickly got the same symptoms. She is now blind and my red-eyed girl has whitish-blue eyes. This all happened in a matter of weeks. The vet now thinks it is cataracts, but it came on so quickly. One vet said early cataracts start with a peace sign shape on the lens, not a straight line. Any lines with uveitis? She has cloudiness but no tearing until I started her on her drops for inflammation. The vet said there is some irritation around the edges of the eyes (in the eye itself) -- but that can come from the proteins of a cataract. Rhonda >>If it was uveitis, he would be in severe pain and would likely be >>squinting. The eye would also likely have cloudiness, redness, tearing, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>I'd take him to a veterinary opthamologist if you aren't sure of your vet's >>diagnosis. on Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:43:59 GMT, Rhonda <san-toki@att.remove.net> wrote: > Lynne, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Rhonda Hi Rhonda, I have uveitis. For 2 years I have been using steroid drops in my eyes, systemic steroids and even chemotherapy to treat it. The goal is to reduce the inflammation in the eye FAST and then keep it under control without creating other problems in the eye. The first symptoms (for me) resembled conjunctivitis--redness, pain, light sensitivity but very little (clear) discharge, unlike in an eye infection where there's usually a sticky discharge. When the antibiotic drops didn't give me relief in the first few days, I went off to my opthamologist who diagnosed me. The only way to diagnose uveitis is with a slit lamp exam, preferably with the eyes dilated. Uveitis can lead to glaucoma (which can also be caused by prolonged use of steriod eye drops...), and glaucoma can lead to blindness. The only visible sign of uveitis for me was/is extreme redness. Sometimes my pupils dilate to different sizes. I don't have any cloudiness, but it can be a visible sign. Cataracts are typically easy to see, but of course they appear as cloudiness. I would think your vet would be sure if it was cataracts, which usually progress *slowly*, unlike uveitis. I'd be suspicious of that diagnosis, though treating her for inflammation is the right thing to do if it's uveitis, so I wouldn't get too upset. I don't know about white lines in the eyes, though, and it may be something specific to rabbits. In fact, the disease process of cataracts in rabbits may be dramatically different than in humans, so keep that in mind. Has a veterinary opthamologist examined her? I wouldn't trust eye problems to a general practice vet. Uveitis is usually a symptom of another disease process, but in animals it's often difficult to diagnose what is causing the uveitis. It can also be caused by injury to the eye, and if it is, it will present only in one eye and usually will not recur once it is successfully treated. I hope this helps somehow. SignatureLynne > Hi Rhonda, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I hope this helps somehow. Thanks, Lynne, it does. The vet says the rabbit's eyes now have the fractured look of cataracts -- she seems certain that's what it is now. If she develops more symptoms like what you've said, we should probably get her to an opthamonolgist. Sorry you had to go through all of that. Rhonda The first four ingredients of any cat food will tell you a lot about it. I definately think people should start reading ingredients instead of looking at the price tag all the time. The cheaper the food the more problems the cat ends up having when it comes to diet. When it's loaded with fillers and by-products a cat could end up having problems like Urinary Tract Infection. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > My Boo, the tuxedo with a heart condition and a thyroid problem, > got obese on diet Iams dry. On my vet's advice (and Phil's--it was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > not. Plus--they just LOVE it. They look forward to eating and sleep it > off like they just went on a bender, hahaha! >The first four ingredients of any cat food will tell you a lot about it. I >definately think people should start reading ingredients instead of looking >at the price tag all the time. The cheaper the food the more problems the >cat ends up having when it comes to diet. When it's loaded with fillers and >by-products a cat could end up having problems like Urinary Tract Infection. What is wrong with by-products? As long as it isn't the main ingredient, what is wrong with it? Wouldn't a cat get by-products if it hunted and ate the animal? The Fancy Feast flavors that I buy have no grains at all, and the by-products are only the 4th ingredient. Isn't that a good thing? No fillers, and all meat products. If there is something wrong with that, can you please explain it? If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. Is your cat overweight by chance? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > What is wrong with by-products? As long as it isn't the main > ingredient, what is wrong with it? Wouldn't a cat get by-products if [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If there is something wrong with that, can you please explain it? on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:06:39 GMT, "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> wrote: > If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about > nutrition. If you can't answer a direct question, then you obviously have no clue. SignatureLynne > If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. Is > your cat overweight by chance? Why would you want to be so mean and condesending? I don't see that it's warrented. You know I would like to read more and participate more, I have 3 cats and one of them is near the end of his days and there are times when I could really use some advice/support, but I fear that anything I say, or any question I ask is going to get a response like the one above. It's very discouraging. > If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. Is > your cat overweight by chance? Neither do you > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> If there is something wrong with that, can you please explain it? >> If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. >> Is your cat overweight by chance? > > Neither do you Pssst! Matthew. CP is a major moron who took a several-year break from the group after having his a.s handed to him more that a few times. He was feeding Walmart Special Kitty until recently. It is best not to argue with idiots. It'll just annoy you. >>> If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. >>> Is your cat overweight by chance? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > feeding Walmart Special Kitty until recently. It is best not to argue with > idiots. It'll just annoy you. I feed my furballs special kitty but luckily they are fine Rumble loves the mini turkey shredded >>>> If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. >>>> Is your cat overweight by chance? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I feed my furballs special kitty but luckily they are fine > Rumble loves the mini turkey shredded I knew about CP he is can be a dangerous person if someone naive comes along and believes him > I knew about CP he is can be a dangerous person if someone naive comes > along and believes him I thought you had been around that long. >> I knew about CP he is can be a dangerous person if someone naive comes >> along and believes him >> > I thought you had been around that long. Remember I am too old for this sh@t ;-) >>> I knew about CP he is can be a dangerous person if someone naive comes >>> along and believes him >>> >> I thought you had been around that long. > Remember I am too old for this sh@t ;-) hahaha! People can think what they want but I've been speaking the truth however that can be dangerous for some people who choose not to hear it. Instead of name calling or putting me down perhaps you should start listening to my posts. Maybe you might actually learn something and be able to give a better diet to your cats so they can live a long and healthy life. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > I knew about CP he is can be a dangerous person if someone naive comes > along and believes him What does all this have to do with the subject line ?!?!? >People can think what they want but I've been speaking the truth however >that can be dangerous for some people who choose not to hear it. Instead of >name calling or putting me down perhaps you should start listening to my >posts. Maybe you might actually learn something and be able to give a better >diet to your cats so they can live a long and healthy life. >> I knew about CP he is can be a dangerous person if someone naive comes >> along and believes him ***************************************************** E-mail address altered to foil spam. Reply to news groups for all to see please. _ / ) (\__/) ( ( ) ( ) ) ={ }= / / ) `-------/ / ( / \ | ,'\ , ,' `-'\ ,---\ | \ _) ) `. \ / (__/ ) ) (_/ (\__/) )oo( ={ >}= ***************************************************** > I feed my furballs special kitty but luckily they are fine > Rumble loves the mini turkey shredded Walmart Special Kitty? >> I feed my furballs special kitty but luckily they are fine >> Rumble loves the mini turkey shredded > > Walmart Special Kitty? Yeppie I am not feeding him that anymore for quite awhile since his diabetic issues came up he gets Fancy Feast but the others got it but now it is Purina, 9 lives, Whiskas and fancy feast till the problems is fixed > Yeppie I am not feeding him that anymore for quite awhile since his > diabetic issues came up he gets Fancy Feast but the others got it but > now it is Purina, 9 lives, Whiskas and fancy feast till the problems is > fixed My cat Snidely loved Alley Cat dry food. That is all she really loved. She was royally piffed when I switched to Science Diet Maintenance, but she got used to it. The think I liked about feeding that food was that she actually produced less "solid waste" on it. SD claims that will happen, but I was amazed when it did. (They said there was more "usable nutrients" in it than in other dry foods.) If it's Special Kitty canned food you may want to rethink that. That brand is on the recall list. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > I feed my furballs special kitty but luckily they are fine > Rumble loves the mini turkey shredded Actually, it's you who looks like a moron if you have to resort to name calling and a flame war in order to further your position. But then again, people such as yourself never take the higher ground or are able to act like an adult. As for feeding Special Kitty I haven't fed them that for 2 years so I wouldn't call it recently. Get your facts straight or don't post at all. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Pssst! Matthew. CP is a major moron who took a several-year break from the > group after having his a.s handed to him more that a few times. He was > feeding Walmart Special Kitty until recently. It is best not to argue with > idiots. It'll just annoy you. >If you have to ask that question then you have no clue about nutrition. Is >your cat overweight by chance? Nope. My only overweight cat was Jay Jay during the first few months when I got him. He was not used to free feeding. I've had him 2 years now, and he lost 3 pounds and does great. Chase is skinny. His ribs are easy to feel. Personally, I wish he would eat a bit more. Why don't you just answer the question. Why are by-products okay when the cat eats a dead animal, but not okay in cat food? If you know so much more than I do, please explain it. All you do is condemn everybody's choice of food. But you do not say what is so bad about it. > The first four ingredients of any cat food will tell you a lot about it. I > definately think people should start reading ingredients instead of looking > at the price tag all the time. snipped. > -- > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!www.catgalaxymedia.com Here's one of CP's classics on feline nutrition: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:34:15 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.2.239.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: okepread06 1099503246 68.2.239.112 (Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:34:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:34:06 EST Organization: Cox Communications Just because your cats don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. My cats like the Friskies canned food but I am switching over to Special Kitty because I want to save money and also get more bang for my buck. My cats seem to enjoy the new canned food so I guess the switching over works. -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > On Apr 4, 12:58 am, "Cat Protector" <catprotec...@cox.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! > www.panthertekit.com Ugh. I remember all that. That's why I'm surprised to see all of the opposite now. But his cats still win with the change of heart. :) SignatureCheryl >> On Apr 4, 12:58 am, "Cat Protector" <catprotec...@cox.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > the opposite now. But his cats still win with the change of heart. > :) He is also like this in the other groups > > On Apr 4, 12:58 am, "Cat Protector" <catprotec...@cox.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > -- > Cheryl- Oh yeah. I'm really glad--his cats *are* the winners. But I don't think he's feeding wet food at all--I get the impression they're on Spa Select dry. Which is probably a decent food--but IMO they *need* some wet food in their diet. Sherry > Oh yeah. I'm really glad--his cats *are* the winners. But I > don't think he's feeding wet food at all--I get the impression > they're on Spa Select dry. Which is probably a decent food--but > IMO they *need* some wet food in their diet. Oh, well then nevermind. I agree, and I wish I could convert two of mine to ALL wet food, but they're stubborn and I give in. I just talked to my vet to bring Scarlett in for her conjunctivitis flare-up that I told you about, and asked her if she's seen many cases of illness due to pets eating the recalled food, and she's had several cases, all of which are now holding their own with care. One death, but it was before the recall and they've submitted the case for investigation. I wish I could know the result of it, but it's likely that I'll never know. SignatureCheryl >My Boo, the tuxedo with a heart condition and a thyroid problem, >got obese on diet Iams dry. On my vet's advice (and Phil's--it was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and Boo went from 18 lbs to 9 lbs in a year. I feed her every 12 hours, >and now, at age 12, she looks better than she ever has. Jay Jay also gained on diet food. I switched him to Royal Canin's Maine Coon food with larger kibbles, and that slowed him down, so he ate less and was still satisfied and lost weight. He does eat Fancy Feast now, but only two flavors. He only recently started eating it. Before, he refused all canned food. >It's not just FF, it's any cat food that is mostly real meat, is what I >think. >Most have byproducts as a first ingredient, but many varieties of FF do >not. Plus--they just LOVE it. They look forward to eating and sleep it >off like they just went on a bender, hahaha! The two popular flavors have meat as the first ingredient, by-products are 4th, and no grains at all. Both my cats have been eating it twice a day and filling in with dry during the day. They are both lean and healthy. In all honesty, I have only had one cat with a weight problem. That was Jay Jay whenI first got him. He was a stray and not used to an all-you-can-eat food service. My first two cats ate Friskies most of their lives (both lived to be 18). And neither one was ever overweight. I actually had trouble keeping weight on and added canned food to get them to eat more. I believe that activity level and genetics are also very important. > With or without wheat gluten, Fancy Feast is nothing but crap. Getting > cats on a healthy diet is really important. My cats vet says that he sees > more overweight issues with patients than anything else. Also the cheaper > the food there is more the possibility of a cat getting crystals in the > urinary tract. Really!! gee!! than you dang sure you have no idea what you are talking about. If that is so why is Fancy feast one of the recommended cat foods for diabetic cats. It is the food I used to stabilize my Rumble when he became diabetic and would not touch the other recommended food. You are not a vet or a nutritionist Don't give out advice if you don't know what you are talking about > Tender Beef Feast > Beef and Chicken Feast [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Because my cat seems to be allergic to wheat (though corn does not bother > her) I have always bought the brands of FF without wheat gluten. Thanks. Our favorite FF varieties are Shrimp and Salmon Feast, and the mushy "Gourmet Chicken". I don't see S&S Feast on there. I just hate this, worrying about it. They never did like the chunks 'n gravy kinds. |
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