The only thing that I can think of  that you have changed in the
recent past is the location of where you live. as you pointed out, he
was fine in your apartment/flat?
When a cat spray's, he does it to let other cats know that he is
around.
With no access to other cats, there was no reason to ensure that
others needed to know that he was around, because as you point out,
your other neuter doesn't spray at all.

I have a feeling that now that you have moved into a house with a
garden, or at least somewhere where you feel that it is safe to let
him out, he has come into contact with other spraying males in the
same area as you, & now that he can smell other males spraying, he is
masking.
Masking is when one cat sprays an area to let other cats know who is
around & dominant in that area. I have a feeling that all he is doing
is covering those scent's with his own spraying, to ensure that all
the locals know that he has moved in, & that from now on, it will be
his area & he intends to defend it.

I don't think that he is doing it in front of you on purpose to wind
you up. It may feel that way, but it is an instinct thing with tom
cats. & simply the easiest way of ensuring that everyone in the house
and around he garden knows that this is HIS PLACE, & he intends to
defend it.

I commiserate with you too, because i have just had 2cats neutered, &
suffer with the same problem. A late neuter can be very difficult to
dissuade from his previous habits, even though it has been some years
since he has been nurtured, old habits die hard, & in his case, he
seems to recognise the smell, & is only doing what comes naturally. If
it feel like he is only doing it in front of you, it could be that he
is trying to assure you that he is on top of things..

I think that you can stop a neuter from doing it, but it is a hard
long road.
My only short term advice is to think about stud pants for him. There
is a product on the market,( I have never tried it, but it does come
highly recommended), that breaks down the enzymes in the spray which
takes away the reason for him to mark the same area again & again,
because that is what he is trying to do-refresh his scent in all the
places that he has marked previously.

http://www.urine-off.com/page.aspx?page_id=33&gclid=CIqAnI2aoIsCFQrlQgodzhU5kg

When people tell you to neuter before they become sexually mature,
this is the reason why. @ around 6 month old, they do start marking
the area so that any passing females also know that they are around.
In his case, even though he is incapable, the old habit is there &
difficult to stop him thinking that he needs to.

http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/marking.html

http://www.cozycatfurniture.com/cat_newsletters/catnewsletter8.html
I hope that the links are helpful to you
& good luck too
S;o)

Try Feliway. You won't see an abrupt stop, it does work with
behavioral spraying. I have one old cat who occasionaly does this,
pretty rarely but he does it. Over the years I've noticed he only does
it in the spring.
There could be other cats hanging around that you haven't noticed,
too. That'll make my daughters neutered cat spray.
Sherry

HOWEDY JonM,

Surgical sexual mutilation for non medical puporses is cruel
unnecessary inapupriate life and heelth threatening veterinary
MALPRACTICE benefittin ONLY the inept, ill trained or
greedy ignorameHOWES veterinary malpracticioner
<{): ~ (  >

Kat sprayin an puppy "marking" are STRESS responses.

Of curse, he COULD BE SICK on accHOWENTA there's
ONLY TWO REASONS HOWE COME a dog or kat would
violate his most normal natural innate instinctive reflexive
terrortorial imperative of HOWEsbreakin at four weeks of age.

Perhaps you should keep him inside or TRAIN him to stay on
your own pupperty so's your kat don't end up LIKE THIS:

From: Temperance (whoever@.com)
Subject: Think of my daughter's cat please.
Date: 2004-01-08 10:30:09 PST

This morning 2 year old Velcro was found run over on
the main Road. Who ever hit her knew they had hit her
or an aniaml as it was about 9am. Velcro was a beautiful
cat and at 6 months old came from a guy who mistreated
her and it took a long time to gain her trust.

She was called Velcro because she was so
clingy and would attach herself to my daughters legs.

A shame as we always thought her older cat would go first.
Now we have a sad cat missing it's friend.  I can't get the
rainbow bridge link to work so if somebody can post the
right one I would be pleased.

Thanks.

Temperance

                 OR LIKE THIS:

       From: Nancy Verzich (nverzich...@adelphia.net)
       Subject: My cat... Date: 2003-09-28 12:14:37 PST

       Hi everyone, I've never posted here before but have
       been lurking and reading all your posts. The post
       below was posted to another pet NG but no one replied
       and its still bothering me, 3 days later.

       I hope you don't mind me posting it here also...I am
       really sad and just wanted to get this off my chest.
       I am a cat person...always have been...but in the last
       10 yrs or so, it seems like I've sorta become "allergic"
       in a  way to them. If I even touch the fur my eyes get all
       itchy and they burn etc. So, I don't generally hold
       our cat anyway.

       Well, we got this cat about 3 months ago...just a
       plain old tiger striped stray, who was a tiny kitten
       when my 6yr old daughter found her outside. We
       aren't allowed to have pets here, but.......So anyway
       this cat became part of our family.

      I also have a 17 yr old son who is very overweight
      and has NO friends. So this cat became his best
      friend. We didn't allow the cat outside, because
      we didn't really want neighbors to see her and also,
      we didn't want the fleas in here.

       So we kept her inside. But lately, she's been sneaking
       out if my daughter didn't shut the door tight enough or
       if any of us held it open just a second too long.

       She always came back tho...so not that big of a deal.
       Today, my daughter was outside and came back in to
       get  something, and forgot to shut the door all the way.
       Of course, the cat got out. The cat was kinda weird,
       because she just RECENTLY opened up to me,
       personally....she's been loving my kids up ever since
       we got her, but she hasn't really come around to me
       until the last couple of weeks or so.

       So today, I go to the door and call her....she thinks I'm
       playing with her LOL...so she is darting out there all
       around.

       Finally she goes across the street to the neighbors
       yard, and all the way as she's crossing the street,
       I"m worrying about a car coming and hitting her...
       then, she just SAT there on the side of the road
       in the neighbors grass as the cars were passing
       and I was afriad that a car would spook her and
       she would run, but she didn't. Well, she wouldn't
       come in either, I guess she wanted to play for a while.

       About 15 minutes later I went to the door and called
       her again...this time she decided that she was going
       to come to me. She started running across the street,
       and just like in slow motion, I saw a car come down
       the street at the same time. I saw her little body go
       under the car, and I tried to cover my eyes.

       I listened for that HORRIBLE sound that you know is
       coming...but I didn't hear it....the car never even
       slowed down, it just kept going. The cat dashed up
       the street running like a maniac into the field. Every
       10 minutes or so I would go to the door and call her,
       because I knew she was scared...but at the same time
       I"m trying to cook dinner and do a hundred other things.

       So everytime I called and she didn't come, I figured ok,
       I'll try again in a few minutes. When my hubby came
       home, I told him what had happened....he figured that
       she was fine and just scared/hiding, or maybe just out
       playing.

       My son and I a few hours later decided to go and look
       for her....we found her poor little dead body in the field...
       right where I had seen her enter it at. She didn't have
       any outer "evidence" at all of gettig hit...but it
       obviously happened immediately when she got to the
       field because she was only off of the road maybe 5 feet.

       My son freaked out..she was his best friend in the
       whole world....everyone is blaming everyone else...
       my daughter's fault for leaving the door open...my
       son's fault for not going out to get the cat right when
       she first got out...MY fault for calling to her and
       causing her to run across the street...*sigh*

       I  dunno....

       All I know is that I can't get her
       out of my head......dammit. Nancy

HOWEver, DON'T use a shock fence to train your kats
otherWIZE they MIGHT END UP LIKE THIS DEAD KAT:

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

there are different brands of fences, and each
one has a variety of settings, set to the dog's
specific reaction.  Lola's collar is set to give
more juice than Manu's, because she's more
likely to ignore the buzz, whereas Manu wants
nothing to do with it.  i have no idea what brand or
setting Hope's collar was set at.

there's also the fact that Hope has lots of thick
fur and a good fat layer (to keep her warm in the
water) and my dogs are scrawny and nekkid.

so maybe Hope needs a higher setting to work
for her.  it's really hard to say without comparing
the collars directly.

and you're right, if Lola really wants out of the yard,
she'll run through the fence.  the annoyance doesn't
keep her in, which is why she's always supervised
outdoors.

Manu, OTOH, is happy to stay as far from the
fence as he can.  what can i say, he's part eevil
pit bull and part fraidy cat.

-kelly

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: we got "the fence"
Date: 2004-02-14 15:48:26 PST

after having the appraisal for the real fencing coming out at
over $11,000, we decided to put up an invisible fence, just
until we can save some cash for the real one.  after we put up
the real fence, the invisible one will probably remain as a
"fail safe" to keep the dogs off the real fence.

yes, i'm aware of most of the cons, i've always been
against them myself, until i talked to a lot of people
who have them, and had the invisible fence trainer
come out to meet the dogs.

i'll only be letting them out when i'm home and can keep a
direct eye on them, and we've discussed it with all of the
neighbors, and they've committed to containing their dogs,
so they won't come into my yard unless invited.

anyway, we had it installed outside today, and started the
indoor part of training.  we decided to put the training fence
on the stairway, since the cats like to hang out up there and
the dogs aren't allowed to go up.

we put up a baby gate just past the invisible barrier,
so that they can't go through it, even if they want to.

i tried the collar on myself before we let the dogs try it,
and while it is uncomfortable, it's not painful, and i'm
comfortable with the dogs wearing it.

we thought Manu would require a higher setting than Lola,
because she's pretty sensitive to correction, and he is a big
meathead who doesn't feel a thing.  this played out with the
first part of training, with Lola turning around and leaving
the steps at the first buzz, and Manu just standing there,
wagging his tail, like he didn't feel a thing.

we upped the setting three more times before Manu
"got it", and then he immediately turned around and
didn't go up the steps at all after that.

the weird thing is that Lola, who was clearly
bothered by the experience, kept trying to go
up to get the cat's area anyway.

this confirmed something i had suspected.

Lola may be more sensitive to correction, but
she also has more "drive", and will put up with
something she dislikes longer than Manu will.

Lola sat on the steps, cycling through the collar's
three 10 second failsafe cycles,  then tried to climb
over the baby gate as though nothing had happened.

we decided to up the correction one setting, with the
theory that she'd find it so unpleasant it would stop
her from climbing the steps, then we'd turn it back
down once she realized she shouldn't be up there.

unfortunately, she never did realize it, so we had
to leave it on the higher setting.

so hers is set lower than Manu's, but she reacts a
lot more strongly to it (scratching at her neck, etc)
than he does.

we'll keep the indoor boundary set up, and keep
testing the dogs with it (hiding behind the railing
and meowing usually does the trick) so that they're
familiar with the warning tone.

Manu is already pretty sure he knows what it means,
and whenever Lola trips it, he'll bite her hind leg and
pull her down the steps so the tone stops.  he's such
a big brother, always trying to keep sis out of trouble.

the outdoor training will begin later in the week, i'll post
updates once we get done with them.

-kelly

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: another tragedy
Date: 2004-06-24 14:16:01 PST

today Mo-kitty woke up in a large spot of blood.
his wound had been bleeding all night.  i took
him to the vet, who said that this was not abnormal,
did some blood tests, and sent him home with me.

since he's not allowed to groom himself, he had
quite a bit of blood on him, which i was going to
clean up later.

i dropped of Mo upstairs, as usual, and headed
down to let the dogs out of their crates.

for some reason i'll never know, Mo followed me
downstairs.  he never does this.  and i didn't hear
him coming.  however, the dogs did.

they ran to investigate, and found a strange smelling,
bloody cat in their house.

needless to say, they attacked him.

poor Mo had that stupid cone on his head and
couldn't see to escape.  he was weak and sick
and didn't have a chance.

he didn't survive the trip back to the vets.

he died in my lap on the way there.

i'm in shock right now.

everyone is telling me to get the dogs out of
the house to deal with my grief, but how can
i deal without them?

they didn't understand that what they did is
wrong, they're not people.  they smelled
blood and instinct took over.  i thought about
getting rid of them for about two seconds.

but i can't.  i love them too much.  and i need
them more than ever right now.  poor dogs,
they know something is wrong, and they're all
cuddled up to me.

they don't even know that they caused my suffering.

i'm not angry at them.  just sad at Mo's passing.

after all that work to make him well, for him to die
in this way...   it's like a cosmic joke.  like a bad movie.

i'm emotionally torn.  i'm numb.  and i'm so very tired.

-kelly

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From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty.)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..  at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

                    ---------------

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
                           ---------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

                ---------------

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
News:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

             --------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12208-3BB67479-427@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

Hi Cathy!
Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..

I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

                   =============

              AND LIKE THIS:

From: Nevyn (greatd...@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST

Hi folks,

In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.

At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).

This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.

However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the
back gate or the front gate without permission.

And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.

I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?

Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
                 Nevyn

Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment
of animals"
                       _______________

                      AND LIKE THIS:

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaul_bou...@clear.net.nz)

Subject: Re: Fence Jumping

Date: 2000-09-29 04:33:37 PST

Been well experienced in dogs escaping from our
yard I know exactly the frustration you are going
through.  Sam used to jump over the fence so I
made it higher then we got Roz and she went
under it, through it and climbed over it.

I've decided there are only 2 ways to stop the escaping,
1 is to have an escape proof fence, the other to train the
dogs not to want to escape.

I suppose a third method is to keep them
inside but I don't consider that a solution.

Making the fence escape proof can be almost impossible
if the dog is determined, to stop it climbing over as yours
is doing put an extension on top of the fence that angles
inwards at about 30-45 degrees. Never use chicken wire
as the dogs tear through that like paper.

The only training method to prevent this I can recall is
Jerry's technique, essentially it involves walking around the
perimeter of the fenced area with the dog and using sound
distractions and praise to teach the dog it's boundary.

I have had partial success with it (i.e. I have deterred Roz
from escaping from various points along the fence) but then
again I haven't really followed it through completely.

One last glimmer of hope, as the dog gets older it may
become more settled, Sam never escapes now although
he's quite capable of getting out, he 2.5 years old and
seemed to settle at about 2.  So there you are, only 1.5
years of escaping left!!!

Paul.
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O.K. Use the Surrogate Toy Technique when you go to
bed and BE SHORE to do the REVERSE of the technique
upon awakening, JUST LIKE as instructed for goin away
and use non physical variable distraction and praise techniques
to EXXXTINGUISH ANY undesirable behavior withHOWET
STRESSING him, and likeWIZE, follow the technique for
addressing spots he's ALREADY sprayed.

You can EXXXTINGUISH ANY behavior problem
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murding punk thug coward active acute chronic life
long incurable mental cases PREFER.

Righ. There's SEVERAL techniques you can use to
EXXXTINGUISH your kat's anXXXIHOWESNESS
spraying NEARLY INSTANTLY but you gotta STUDY
the methods and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS precisely.

It's CAUSED BY MISHANDLING like HOWE we've been taught:

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: mmmaryi...@aol.comspam (Mary)
Date: 06 Dec 2003 02:37:36 GMT
Subject: Cat spraying: got professional help

I just spent $395 to go to a cat behavioral psychologist.
Patches spraying was driving me nuts. Last week he peed
on the bed and sprayed the side of it. He does not have a
urinary tract infection. He only sprays near where Mimi likes
to sit and sleep so I knew it had something to do with her.
They don't hate each other but they're not good friends either.

The doctor spent two hours counseling me about Patches and
Mimi so he could understand why Patches was spraying. Patches
was spraying because he's upset by outdoor cats spraying the outside
of the house. He's also not that comfortable with Mimi.

I thought I'd share this counseling session so that it might help
others (and they could save the $395!) So far I've done everything
the doctor said to do and Patches hasn't sprayed. It's only been a
week. I'll keep you updated in another few weeks to see if he really
stops spraying for good. I transcribed the below from the big
behavioral prescription he gave me.

Dr. Polsky

Behavioral therapy interview

Problem: Cat is spraying to communicate. He is upset by other
cats spraying the outside of the house. He is upset by other inside
cat. He is basically not very confident psychologically so he sprays.

<SNIP aversive / pharmacological veterinary malpractice idiocy>

From: Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
Date: 7 Sep 2005
Subject: Re: Help: *FEMALE* cat spraying!!

HOWEDY Scott,

I've taken all of your posts from #29 to #36 in this thread and will
start with #37, that of sharon too, veterinary office manager and
mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, obsfucationist and sole
PROFITEER of YOUR CRITTER'S temperament behavior
and heelth DIS-EASES:

37. Sharon        Sep 6, 8:15 pm
Newsgroups: alt.cats, alt.pets.cats, rec.pets.cats.
health+behav, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.med.veterinary
From: "Sharon" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:15:25 -0400

Subject: Re: Help: *FEMALE* cat spraying!!

"This GUY" is The Amazing Puppy Wizard, the GUY
who IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED sharon
too and her co conspirator, mr. sharon too,
veterinary malpracticioner.

By the lying animal abusers who PROFIT from
misleading you, Scott. OtherWIZE sharon too
would be EAGER to teach you NOT TO HURT and
INTIMDIATE your critters and consequently
LOSE 90% of her BUSINESS in WON FELL SWOOP.

Just think, no more chronic urinary tract and
ear infections, no more dental DIS-EASE and
annual tooth cleaning and adrenal / kidney /
pituitary DIS-EASES, cancers, self mutilations,
allergies, all the DIS-EASES CAUSED BY STRESS.

Because it will PROVE sharon too is PROFITING
from your kat's DIS-EASES, Scott. Where do you
think you BUY your kat's ANTI PSYCOTIC MEDICATIONS
to CON-TROLL her ANXIETY SPRAYING?

Now let's get on with discrediting EVERY THING
she and her CO CONSPIRATORS in the veterinary /
behavior INDUSTRY will do and say ANY THING to
DEFEND, Scott.

It's theraputic now that we're talkin.

INDEEDY. But that's the only way to PROVOKE you
to talk honestly because when we talk calmly and
non defensively WE LIE to ourselves because the
TRUTH SCARES us.

No Scott, it was the personal lack of style other
therapists have used which have perpetuated abuse
in our society. We can CURE ALL temperament and
behavior problems by following some simple LAWS
of behavior for ourselves and then applying them
to everyWON else in kind.

Good. Now we're ready to go beyond that and see
what's REALLY troubling us all, as pet owners
parents and spouses.

Because it's the EXXXPERTS like professor marshall
dermer of UofWI department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
and his partner dr. mark plonsky of UofWI veterinary
ethology department and their ilk which bonds us to
FEAR FORCE INTIMDIATION and DEATH as solutins for
simple behavior problems caused by bribery intimidation
force avoidance bannishment denial and withholding of
attention affection so called rewards and unconditional
love trust and respect, Scott.

As with children and animals, TONE IS IMPORTANT, Scott.
Critters don't LIKE being talked down to or intimidated.
That's why they become OPPOSITIONAL STUBBORN OBSTINATE
and HYPERACTIVE, Scott.

We can EXTINGUISH those behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY
by simply NOT USING "command tone" in dealing with
them, as that SCARES and INTIMUDATES defenseless
critters who's ONLY RECOURSE is to scream back and
KILLFILE you, so to speak, Scott.

You'll notice that SUCCESSFUL pet owners DO NOT
POST here with their CONSTANT BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
and CONSISTENT ADVICE to punish avoid or accept
their critter's behavior and temperament problems
and recommend treating behavioral issues with ANTI
PSYCHOTIC pharmacuticals and prescription diets
for FEAR BEHAVIORS aka age related cognitive
degenerative DIS-EASES, Scott.

WHO PROFITS from YOUR kat's DIS-EASE, other than
your UNETHICKAL or UNKNOWING ILL TRAINED veterinary
heelth practicioners and ethologists whom I've quite
completely and thouroughly DISCEDITED.

You mean the lying animal abusing FRAUDS who CONSISTENTLY
HEELP THEMSELVES to YOUR HARD EARNED DOUGH while DISADVANTAGING
and HURTING your critters with their toxic pharmacuticals
and DEATHLY SURGICAL MUTILATIONS.

You mean, like sharon too veterinary office manager
and mrs. veterinarian, dra. carla DVM, dra. deb former
US ARMY Veterinarian, dra. hilliary DVM, and the PROFESSIONAL
trainers and behaviorists I've CITED BY NAME and DISCREDITED
according to their WORKS, like dra. patricia mcconnell,
dr. ian dunbar, dr. nick dodman, dra. amy marter, dra.
karen overall, to name a few I've JERRYIZED RIGHT HERE
and forward them copies to reply to or IGNORE if they
GOT NO DEFENSE, Scott.

These pet care PROFESSIONALS cannot defend themselves
from my "LIBELOUS DEFAMATORY" CLAIMS against their
published works I've DISCREDITED, Scott, OR THEY'D
HAVE ME IN COURT and DEFEND THEMSELVES PUBICLY.

They won't, because THEY CAN'T. OR THEY WOULD.

Wouldn't they, Scott.

dr. mark plonsky and his associate professor dermer
of UofWI have DEFAMED and LIBELED The Amazing Puppy
Wizard. LikeWIZE dra. carla and dra. deb. DVM, amongst
a few others who CANNOT DEFEND THEIR inapupriate
irreconciably inapupriate incorrect dangerous work.

You was asking about a chronic submissive urination
problem you've had FOR YEARS with your own fear
aggressive kat.

Who's been SELLING you ANTI PSYCHOTIC meds for your
kat's FEAR BEHAVIOR cause by their advice, Scott?

That would be those who've lied and hurt you for PROFIT.

My INTENT is to take out the ENTIRE INDUSTRY
in WON FELL SWOOP, Scott. Now after six years
working here I've GOT ALL the DOCUMENTATION I
need to do so pubicly in the mass media, criminal
and civil courts, state legislatures who regulate
(*PAY) our universities with our taxes and CONGRESS.

We're GONNA get LAWS with TEETH IN THEM protecting
innocent dumb critters just like we done for the
victims of raceism in the 60's, Scott.

Blaming temperament behavior and heelth problems
on the BREED or SPECIES is no different than racism.

The PROBLEM is, victims PREFER to remain victims
rather than take a seat up front of the bus, Scott.

It's ALL the SAME SAME, Scott, we're talkin HUMAN NATURE,
the NATURE of FEAR and REPRESSION, the things The Amazing
Puppy Wizard has STUDIED for forty sumpthin years, Scotty,
using CASE HISTORY DATA and REVERSING the SYMPTOMS by simply
DOING EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of how the
EXXXPERTS taught you, Scott, the EXXXPERTS like sharon too,
veterinary office manager, mrs. veterinarian, and ANAL-ytic
behaviorists like professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!"
into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten
minutes contemplation" dermer of UofWI and their ilk.

Because your kat PISSES ON YOU from FEAR, Scott?

Unfortunately, in my Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory you are ONLY considered collateral
damages. We'll call you a victim of FRIENDLY FIRE. We
gotta put EVERYWON in the vice and SQUEEZE THEM till
they give WHINE, Scott.

They're ALL the same same, Scott. It doesn't matter
if we're talkin about you kat pissin on you or self
mutilating from "ALLERGIES" or having chronic urinary
tract / ear infections / irritable bowel / pituitary /
thyroid / kidney / dental DIS-EASES degenerative neuro
mylophaties often confounded with Addison's / Cushing's /
Wilson's DIS-EASE SYNDROMES.

Remember Pogo from the comics?:
'I seen the ENEMY and HE IS WE'.

Well Scott, I'm here to help you NOT BE A VICTIM nomore.

HOWEDY Scott,

You think maybe I'm bein overconfident, Scott?

Seems the MESSAGE is THE SAME SAME, Scott. It's NO
COINCIDENCE that most of our pet lovers HATE G-D
and CRINGE when someWON mentions 'the golden rule".

It comes with the terrortory, Scott.

There AIN'T NO WAY around it, Scott. FACTS IS FACTS.

Moses FAILED, JUST LIKE Christ.

Only DIFFERENCE is, I AIN'T GONNA FAIL like
Christ and Moses done, Scotty. They only
taught 1/4 of the world's pupulation. Curious
AIN'T IT, that those are the SAME STATISTICS
which  your METHODS have caused this CHRONIC
SUBMISSIVE URINATION in your kats.

IT'S ALL THE SAME SAME, Scott.

                 A DOG IS A DOG
               AS A KAT IS A KAT
             AS A CHILD IS A CHILD
            AS A SPOUSE IS A SPOUSE
      AS A MASS MURDERER IS A MASS MURDERER.

           ALL CRITTERS ONLY RESPOND IN
     PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
                REFLEXIVE WAYS
        TO SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES
             OF THEIR ENVIRONMENTS
            WHICH WE CREATE FOR THEM.

    DAMN THE DESCARTEAN WAR OF NATURE Vs NURTURE
        WE TEACH BY OUR WORDS AND ACTIONS AND
             GET BACK WHAT WE TAUGHT.

HOWEDY Scott,

Seems you could stand a couple SPELLIN lessons, eh???
Perhaps I taught you to MISSPELL stuff, eh scotty?

That's why your kat "sprays", Scott.

Now THAT sounds like PeTA PUKE, don't it... I've
never said we shouldn't keep critters domestically.

That's ABSURD, Scott. We butcher farm raised critters
to feed them and offer our houses to protect them. The
ONLY thing UNNATURAL is HURTING and INTIMDIATING them
as you've been TAUGHT by the university trained descarteans.

If I should "logically invalidate ANY argument"
then I've LOGICALLY INVALIDATED and DISCREDITED
EVERY ARGUMENT I've ever offered because IT'S ALL
THE SAME SAME, Scott. We're talkin about a GESTALT.

The SAME GESTALT which TRAINS MASS MURDERERS TO MURDER.

You got the EVIDENCE sittin there drying in your lap.

Like a zoo animal? I'm not against zoos, either, Scott.

Critters GO INSANE when they're PUNISHED for their
normal natural innate instinctive reflexive behaviors

Watching birdies through the window is ENTERTRAINMENT,
not INTIMIDATION, Scott. CON-TROLLING attack behavior
is likeWIZE, within the NORMAL BOUNDS of apupriate
decent behavior IF you know how to instill apupriate
discipline by DEMONSTRATED SELF EXXXAMPLE i.e.
ALLELOMMIMETIC BEHAVIOR and EFFECTIVE use of scientific
and psychological NON PHYSICAL CONDITIONING as taught
in your FREE COPY of my comprehensive all inclusive
manual.

No different than watchin T.V.

That's ABSURD:

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using
TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of
The Scientific Management Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

Case closed.

Sorry Scotty, YOU AIN'T GETTIN IT BOTH WAYS nomore.

I don't COMPROMISE because:

         IN THE PROBLEM ANIMAL BEHAVIOR BUSINESS
                   FAILURE MEANS DEATH
         SAME SAME FOR THE CHILD BEHAVIOR BUSINESS

Ask professor marshall dermer, ANAL-ytic behaviorist at UofWI:

  marshall dermer:
  "Jerry Is Not God And His Manual Is Not The Bible.
  His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis."

  "I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
  distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

  You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that is
  not the purpose of teaspoon!" --Marshall

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 2 Mar 2005 00:51:44 GMT

Subject: Re: PING - Jerry Howe

My immediate observations are these:

1 I didn't know PW was a dog.

2 Can PW learn? Not evident from viewing
his behavior here for some 8 years.

     I have read rpdb for about eight years. Consequently,
     I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational
     posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much.

     They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane
     Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold,
     Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays,
     Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson,
     Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis.

     --Marshall

They're the liars dog abusers cowards and active acute chronic
long term incurable MENTAL PATIENTS I've DISCREDITED right here.

  marshall dermer's swan song post to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
  100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
  End Dog Training Method Manual Forums:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard

Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts
to alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?

Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic
Puppy Wizard.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer
------------------------------------

Stick around, Scotty. It ONLY GETS BETTER.

HOWEDY Scott,

Seems my spellin and UPPER CASES is improving too...
now all I gotta do is get Gramma to follow the rules.

No, keepin kats inside PROTECTS them from harm.
Even the Ancient Egyptians kept kats on leashes.

You mean, kats CANNOT BE TRAINED to not run
away or PISS ON YOU, Scotty?

Yeah, if you don't PERIMETER TRAIN them.

NOT IF HE'S BEEN TRAINED TO BE CONTENT IN HIS ENVIRONMENT
WHICH WE PROVIDE FOR THEM, Scotty. We don't play games with
the LAWS Of The Science Of Behavior, Scott.

Of curse it has, otherWIZE we couldn't train
ANY critter to perimeter and we got ample CASE
HISTORY DATA to PROVE IT SCIENTIFICALLY. Just
look at that wet spot in your lap where kitty
was settin...

RIGHT. Then all we gotta do is diminish the
kat's prey drive / visual oral reflex:

LeeCharlesKelley wrote:

"Why dismiss what Jerry has to say just because he
acts like a nut, or what I have to say because you
don't like my personality?  From what I've read of
Jerry's method it incorporates a completely new model
of learning, which is based (in simplest terms) on
the idea that all behavior is the result of finding
a way to relieve emotional tension.

This is true not just for dogs but all animals.  You
don't believe in the validity of this particular model
of learning?  You don't think it makes sense?  Fine, I
guess.  But it makes total sense to me.  And it made
sense to Pavlov, too, though not many people know this:

"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the
perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement."

IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces
any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

That's INSANE. They're DOMESTIC critters and GOT NO
BUSINESS molesting wildlife or being molested or run
over by cars.

He was a DOMESTIC INDOOR / OUTDOOR kat deserving of
better treatment than wild critters who live and die
by SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

I only gave two week and feeble EXXXAMPLES of
broken hearted DEAD KITTY KAT OWNERS who MISHANDLED
their charges and shirked their RESPONSIBLITIES to
PROTECT their domestic livestock just like any other
FARMER who impupperly fenced his pastures.

When I first began posting here I SAID I'd build
my CREDIBILITY on the DEAD BODIES of the dogs we
MURDERED RIGHT HERE. Now I've got DEAD KITTY KATS
and DEAD CHILDREN on which to build my EMPIRE.

WHO MURDERD Jessica Lundren? Might as well be you,
Scott, because it certainly wasn't John Cooey or
the EVIL DRUGS he was confounded bye, it was HIS
MOMMY and DADDY who are RESPONSIBLE for him runnin
under the wheels of justice, just as it's YOUR mommy
and daddy's TRAINING which prevents you from being
able to RECONCILE your FEARS.

It's the same same as The STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.

Perhaps what scares you is that I cut too
close to the bone, Scotty. Not to worry, I
got VELVET HANDS and a SHARP KNIFE with
which to EXXXORCISE the CANCER in all of us.

You can't get much better than DEAD LIVING CRITTERS
to PROVE a point, Scott. WHO MURDERED Jessica?

THE MURDERERS are the PROFESSIONAL POLICE DOG TRAINERS
WHO TAUGHT THOSE DOGS TO WORK FOR BRIBES and FEAR, Scott,
the SAME MOTIVATORS you was trained with, Scott.

Of curse we'd EXXXPECT you to kick and scream
JUST LIKE those Search And Rescue dog trainers
have done right here, Scott.

You mean the DEAD BODIES provided by OPERANT CONDITIONING.

Oh, there's MUCH MUCH MORE, Scotty. We don't want
to burden the WWW html with DATA, Scott.

That'd behoove you IF you was keeping them on a farm or zoo.

Same same as any child.

Oh? You mean, LIKE THIS, Scotty?:

                        Fig Dogs -
        Biblical Dog Trainin Accordin To The GoSPELL Of
              The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

HOWEDY People,

Recently The Amazing Puppy Wizard was sad to notice some
furry woodslands critter had been eatin his ripening figs
from off of HIS tree.

Could it be a rat? Perhaps a squirrel? Or sumpthin else?

Might it carry pathogenic vermin or DIS-EASE?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard donned HIS SPELLIN cloche
and as usual in HIS times of NEED, HE turned to HIS
Bible for a Word of Knowledge... and THIS is what
HE FHOWEND:

2:22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures
of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit,
the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.

1:7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree:
he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches
thereof are made white.

21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it,
and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it,
Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently
the fig tree withered away.

21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying,
How soon is the fig tree withered away!

21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto
you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do
this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall
say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; it shall be done.

21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer,
believing, ye shall receive.

21:23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests
and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching,
and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who
gave thee this authority?

21:24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will
ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will
tell you by what authority I do these things.

-------------------------

And so it WAS as it always IS and according to The WORD
of The Lord, The Amazing Puppy Wizard picked up HIS staff
and commanded HIS dog to "go to work" and proceeded HOWET
to the fig tree, where lo an behold, there, JUST LIKE an
Act Of G-D EVEN BETTER than FREAKIN MAGICK, was a squirrel
settin on the edge of the large plantar, enjoying The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's ONLY rip fig.

Ahhhh! AT LEAST it was NOT a rat... which means WE
can SHARE any leftover half eaten ripe fruit...

HOWEver, The Mrs. Amazing Puppy Wizard CANNOT SHARE
her food with a rodent.

So, with staff in hand and cloche on top HE RAISED
HIS STAFF and COMMANDED HIS DOG to WATCH THAT SQUIRREL
and PROTECT HOWER CROP and guided HIS dog to the edge
of the pot where Mr. Squirrel had sat enjoying The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's only last ripe fruit.

The squirrel by by NHOWE was settin on a wire above
eatin the last of his fig, and AS WE WATCHED, it spat
the stem at us in typical haughty Squirrel fashion.

ARGGGGH!

Since then, there have been three ripe figs harvested
by The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS dog and THAT WAS
the LAST time Mr. Squirrel will visit on accHOWENT of
he GOT THE WORD accordin to The GOSPELL Of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Dog <{); ~ ) >

    "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
         I came not so send peace, but a sword.

    "For I am come to set a man at variance against
    his father, and the daughter against her mother,
    and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

  "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
                - Matthew 10:34-36.

    'If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
    and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren,
        and sisters, yea, and his own life also,
            he cannot be my disciple.'[Luke

FOR THE SAME SAME SAME SAME REASONS, Scotty.

It's ALL the same same, Scotty:

               UPDATE: Re: Fig Dogs -
    Biblical Dog Trainin Accordin To The GoSPELL
        Of The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

HOWEDY People,

The figs are ripening NICELY, unmolested by furry
wild wooly woodslands critters <{); ~ ) >

This morning was another LEARNING EXXXPERIENCE.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dog spoke, asking to go HOWET:

John 14:12

"Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall
find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. "For everyone
who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who
knocks it shall be opened.

And as it was said, so it was.

Upon opening the door (Do you see that by works a man is
justified, and not by faith only?) HIS dog ran HOWET and
raced arHOWEND the HOWES, making quite a scene.

Setting DHOWEN in HIS EZ chair, lighting HIS pipe, The
Amazing Puppy Wizard SAW Mr. Squirrel racing across HIS
roof as HIS dutiful dog returned and took a peek on the
fig tree and resumed searchin the treetops and wires.

HOWE did HIS dog KNOW Mr. Squirrel was planning to enjoy
his breakfast at the EXXXPENSE of The Amazing Puppy Wizard?

PERHAPS IT IS NATURAL LAW?:

"Rat connait, chat connait, sache maiz pas derranger", "The
rat knows the kat knows the sack of grain won't be disturbed,"
A Creole EXXXPRESSION <{); ~ ) >

Perhaps had The Amazing Puppy Wizard disregarded HIS dog's
cry to go HOWET, ESPECIALLY given that she'd recently BEEN
HOWET and DIDN'T NEED to relieve herself, Mr. Squirrel would
have made his way to the fig tree and consequently would have
VARIABLY REINFORCED his BAD BEHAVIOR and deprived The Amazing
Puppy Wizard of HIS BHOWENTY:

John 5:14-15

"14 And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask
anything according to his will, he hears us. 15 And if we
know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we
have obtained the requests made of him."

And as it was said, so it was:

"There is guidance for each of us, and by lowly listening,
we shall hear the right word. Certainly there is a right
for you that needs no choice on your part. Place yourself
in the middle of the stream of power and wisdom which flows
into your life. Then, without effort, you are impelled to
truth and to perfect contentment."

(Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Believe

"Verily, verily, I say onto you, He that believeth on me,
the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works
than these shall he do; because I go unto my father."

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handlers and all dogs in all fields or
utilities and behaviors all over the Whole
Wild World <{) ; ~ )  >

so sorry to DISAPPOINT you, Scotty. We can
perimeter train ANY critter if we know how.

Without MURDERIN them, Scott.

You mean, that squirrels deer kats and children
CANNOT BE TRAINED JUST LIKE like ANY DOG using
EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS?

Care for a fresh fig, Scott?

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arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so
study it well and do and follow ALL the
EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a
PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET 100%
CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all
handlers and all dogs in all fields or
utilities and behaviors all over the Whole
Wild World <{) ; ~ )  >

Then open your front door.

I don't have to "turn" nuthin on you, your
POSTED CASE HISTORY does that quite adequately.

Care for a fresh ripe Guava, Scott? I grow
them in another pot right next to the fig
tree till they're big enough to withstand
storms. They enjoy coming inside for hurricanes.

There's nuthin overly stimulating about
lookin outside if we EXXXTINGUISH their
innate FEAR or visual oral prey drive reflex.

You could open the windows and they can smell the grasses.

Perhaps you meant to say "MUSH". No, observing
a bird feeder would be a pleasure to any WELL
ADJUSTED CRITTER, Scott. All we gotta do is
EXXXTINGUISH their fear / prey drives just like
elizabeth reported her friend told her how to
do for her dog chasing squirrels just like how
LeeCharlesKelley taught our dog lovers when he
was called a LIAR:

HOWEDY elizabeth,

You SEZ after "TRAINING" with the CLICKER and
PROOFIN as per koehler, the VICTIM STILL couldn't
TRAIN her dog UNTIL she done as LeeCharlesKelly
had been TRYING to tell you bums when tommy called
him a LIAR, is what Lee TEACHES in his book "NO
BAD DOGS, ONLY BAD TRAINERS":

"What did work for her, at last, was chasing squirrels
with the dog. I believe she used a harness with a long
line and a snapback, not to correct the dog, but to ensure
that during training he simply wasn't able to enjoyably
chase squirrels without her cooperation.

Each time he focused on her rather than a nearby squirrel,
the reward was that they chased the squirrel together"

At least they were CONSISTENT about NOT BEING ABLE
to FULLY and SUCCESSFULLY train the behavior not to
happen to begin with by DISRESPECTING and DISREGARDING
the EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS I've been offering
these EXXXPERTS for six years now, Scotty.

Because she didn't know HOWE to EXXXTINGHISH he drive.

Yeah. The LIMITS are the trainer's MIND and METHODS.

Which they CAN DO if they STOP HURTING FORCING
and INTIMDIATING the critter, but they ain't got
the INTELLECT to outwit the cunning of the domestic
puppy dog kitty kat or child.

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And THAT'S HOWE COME these mental cases cannot
learn HOWE to pupperly handle and train a critter.

UPDATE: Re: UPDATE: Re: UPDATE: Re: Fig Dogs -
Biblical Dog Trainin Accordin To The Gospell Of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

And today was yet A OTHER LEARNIN LESSON:

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass,
the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding
fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon
the earth: and it was so.

INDEED. AS HE SEZ, SO IT WAS.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb
yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit,
whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw
that [it was] good.

LikeWIZE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Lev 26:4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and
the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the
field shall yield their fruit.

THANK YOU, Lordy!

And fruit we DID have... until the rain caused
the overripening fruit to fall from the tree
and land in the soft moist sh.t beneath,
splattering themselves nearly in half as they
hit the warm moist fresh dog sh.t.

NHOWE WHAT, Lordy?

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of
the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree,
[is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.

Ooops! Sorry, Lordy.

But you brought the doGgamened rains.

You got any IDEAS INFORMATION or METHODS, Lordy?

Num 13:20 And what the land [is], whether it [be] fat
or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be
ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land.

Now the time [was] the time of the firstripe grapes.

Well, The Amazing Puppy Wizard didn't MEAN
to S-HOWEND UNGRATEFUL, Lordy. So's the fruit
shouldn't go to wasteHE can eat the bottom part
and HIS Mrs. The Amazing Puppy Wizard can eat
the part that was on top,  <{): ~ ( >

HARK! Is that YOU, Lordy?

Exd 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits
of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field:
and the feast of ingathering, [which is] in the end
of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours
out of the field.

Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and
say unto them, When ye be come into the land which
I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof,
then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of
your harvest unto the priest.

Ahhh, a WIZE IDEA. THANK YOU, Lordy.

TRUST IN YOUR LORD.

Rth 2:12 The LORD recompense thy work, and a full
reward be given thee of the LORD God of Israel,
under whose wings thou art come to trust

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

But because of your CONDITIONING and DEFENSE of
what you've been TAUGHT ***(RESPECT)*** for your
abusers, you cannot break those chains of bondage,
Scotty, because you're AFRAID, it'd been INGRAINED
by your tormentors.

You mean, FOLLOWING THE METHODS and PRINCIPLES PRECISELY:

Subject: UPDATE: Re: UPDATE: Re: UPDATE: Re: Fig Dogs -
Biblical Dog Trainin Accordin To The GoSPELL Of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

HOWEDY People,

Today was yet A OTHER true life LEARNIN LESSON
from The Bible, The Gospell Of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard <{); ~ ) >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dog spoke unto HIM,
asking to go HOWET:

John 14:12

"Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall
find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. "For everyone
who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who
knocks it shall be opened.

And as it was said, so it was.

But THAT WAS THEN, and THIS IS NHOWE. NHOWE it
was RAININ so The Amazing Puppy Wizard went to
the door, opened it and sez thusly: SEE??? IT'S
RAININ. You don't WANT to go HOWET in the rain
and thunder an lightenin?:

1Ki 18:45 And it came to pass in the mean while,
that the heaven was black with clouds and wind,
and there was a great rain.

1Ki 18:41 And Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee
up, eat and drink; for [there is] a sound of
abundance of rain.

And LO AN BEHOLD, Mr. Squirrel was fixin to DO
JUST THAT... Amen!

As The Amazing Puppy Wizard stood in the door
with HIS dog, after having JUST TOLD HER she
DON'T WANNA GO HOWET in the RAIN and THUNDER
and LIGHTENING, THERE'S Mr. Squirrel makin
his way across the lawn to The FORBIDDEN Tree
in HIS garden.

HOWE do squirrels KNOW dogs don't go HOWET in rain?

THEY DON'T. THEY'RE ONLY GUESSING AND THEY KNOW IT:

Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil:
for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff
they comfort me.

The rain an lightening be DAMNED! "Let ME
go and talk to Mr. Squirrel abHOWET this
while you stay here protected from the storm.

Job 20:23 [When] he is about to fill his belly,
[God] shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him,
and shall rain [it] upon him while he is eating.

And as it was sez, so it was.

And Mr. Squirrel sauntered casually up a tree
and sat there MOCKING The Amazing Puppy Wizard
in typical haughty squirrel fashion <{): ~ (  >

NOT HIGHLY IMPRESSIVE WORK for a WIZARD.

FOR FIVE MINUTES HE SAT THERE STARING AND MOCKING
AND MOCKING AND STARING DEFYING The Amazing Puppy
Wizard and HUMILIATING HIS DOG <{): ~ {  >

ENOUGH! DAMN THAT SQUIRREL!

2Ki 3:17 For thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not
see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that
valley shall be filled with water, that ye may
drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts.

And so WE did.

Together The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS dog
braved the thunder hail and lightening and SPOKE
saying: BE GONE!

Mr. Squirrel took off for a telephone pole and
after a couple moments climbed even higher:

Job 24:8 They are wet with the showers of the
mountains, and embrace the rock for want of a
shelter.

And as it was sez, so it was.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

HOWEDY Scott,

Looks and FEELS like I'm bein a BULLY.

Of curse. But then, HOWE COME I AIN'T DEAD like Jessica
or got a wet spot on my lap like you got from your kat?

But they weren't, they was higher ranking pack members.

Those kats was in your parents house, not yours.

Watch out for The Amazing Puppy Wizard's helical
fletched flu-flu arrows, Scotty.

That does not diminsh the FACT that sprayin
is CAUSED BY ANXIETY, Scott. Just like the
flu-flu arrow was CAUSED BY hunting birdies.

IOW, The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, Scotty.

No, because there's other variables involved.

That's the only necessary critteria.

Well I have and the EVIDENCE STICKS just like
a non blunt tipped non flu-flu arrow will do
high up in the tree where your resting falcon
DIED when he got silently taken out.

Pissing from FEAR and INTIMIDATION.

You might wanna try BURNING those pants, Scotty.
Even enzymatic cleaner can't get kat piss off
your clothes, Scotty.

No need to, Scotty. WE'VE GOT a meeting of the
minds, like it or not. The only thing which
remains to be seen is your release from this
bondage and fear you've been INSTILLED with.

That ANOMALY is staining your pants, Scotty.

And he's been PISSIN on you for five years, Scotty.

Let me heelp wipe some of that kat piss off your lap, Scotty?

HOWEDY Scott,

But of curse, Scotty. It's ONLY NATURAL. It's
The STOCKHOLM SYNDROME at it's best, Scott.

"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the
perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement."

IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov.

Just look at the kat pee in your lap, Scotty.

That we KNOW we can EXXXTINGUISH anxiety
behavior in minutes by simply doin EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of how
you was raised and trained SCARES YOU, does it?

THAT'S The STOCKHOLM SYNDROME, Scotty. THAT'S
HOWE COME IT WORKS. Ask Patty Hurst.

HOWEDY Scotty! Looks like we're makin progress, eh???

Denial is inherent to these mental illnesses, Scotty.

That's not what your case history sez, scotty.

You mean the DYSFUNCTION YOU WAS TAUGHT IS NORMAL.

Because they was allowed to SORT OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES?

Because they're trying for the best spot in bed.

And AFRAID.

And she's been having SPRAYING problems ever since.

Because they didn't have their SAFE HIDING PLACES.

Your kat has been on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for FIVE YEARS.

The recurrence of spraying was after the move.

From: Scott <scudderNOSPAMn...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:36:06 -0400
Subject: Clomicalm for cats?

For background information, we have a female--yes
*FEMALE*--sprayer!!  She seemed to develop aggressive
tendencies toward our youngest cat back in October
2001 when we got the young one.

The spraying seems to be a marking-of-territory
behaviour which we have desperately tried shaking
her of for over a year and a half with no success!!

We even moved into a home twice as big as our previous
home (not just because of the cat!! LOL!) and she still
marks certain areas.

Anyway, after many, many, many behavior modifaction
attempts (love, scolding, litterbox setups, training,
crying, smelling (ack!), washing, drying, cleaning,
wash, rinse, repeat...you name it!!), we are leaning
towards this form of "Kitty Prozac" (I know...it's
Clomipramine, not fluoxetine/Prozac).

Any news?  Any info?  Any successes?  Any problems??

Thanks!

Scott

HOWEDY Scott,

In someWON ELSE'S HOUSE.

You mean the CASE HISTORY DATA INDEPENDENT of HUMAN
INTERVENTION PROVING The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, Scott.

Are you still wearin them wet pants, Scotty?

Let's see... a little PRAISE will STOP KAT SPRAYIN
but NUTHIN will take the stench outta where they
already sprayed, as you've noted.

Cold water usually works.

You mean QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE CASE HISTORY DATA
which CONSISTENTLY PROVES the CAUSES and CURES
for the QUOTED CASE HISTORY DATA.

Subject: Mamiya - The Sound Of One Hand Clapping

If the cup is half full or half empty it
doesn't matter as much as the sound of
one hand clapping.

When Mamiya went to the priest for personal guidance,
he was asked to explain the sound of one hand clapping.
Mamiya concentrated on what the sound might be.

"You are not working hard enough. You are too attached
to food, wealth, and to that sound. It would be better
if you died. That would solve the problem."

The next time Mamiya appeared before his teacher, he
again was asked what he had to show regarding the sound
of one hand. Mamiya immediately fell over as though dead.

"You are dead, all right, but how about that sound?"

Looking up, Mamiya replied: "I haven't solved that yet."

"Dead men don't speak, get out!"

Looks like you've become AFRAID again, Scotty. That's
NORMAL. It's called REFLEXIVE MEMORY, kinda like when
your kat PISSES on you for "no reason".

Sure you will, because now you're INTRIGUED "curiHOWESITY
MURDERED the kitty kat," remember Scotty? I've raised your
curiousity and taken you close to the breaking point and
now, as is NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE
behavior, you'll RETREAT and PISS like the fearful kat.

Try not to lay in the wet spot, Scotty.

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                 Death Producing Ulcers:
         "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"
                Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

       Emotional Influences On Behavior

       Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
       adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
       McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

       A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
       CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
       by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
       importance of emotional factors in general health.

       Interview findings of emotional material (recently
       experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
       examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
       cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
       even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
       these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

       150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
       constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
       childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
       score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
       smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
       CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
       Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
       expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
       residence and is more important than a chronic cough
       or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

       A ten year observation of all the women who developed
       cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
       they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
       characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
       especially marked with those of an undecided body
       build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
       the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
       may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
       somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
       (Grinker, 1966).

       In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
       with a number of losses or separations and with
       feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
       The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
       hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
       (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
       emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
       frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
       cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFE