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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2007Innova Evo
I'm returning my 22 remaining cans of Evo. I just got confirmation that it was manufactured at a Menu Foods plant. The risk, however small, of cross contamination in the processing equipment is too great a risk with my boys. I've requested that Natura Pet Products (who makes Innova) refund the money I paid to petfoodsdirect.com, who will not take returns. I'll be real interested to see how they respond. I'll throw it in the garbage if they won't take it back. I wouldn't even feed this to a rat.  SignatureLynne > I'm returning my 22 remaining cans of Evo. I just got confirmation that it > was manufactured at a Menu Foods plant. The risk, however small, of cross > contamination in the processing equipment is too great a risk with my boys. Yeah, I wouldn't take a chance either. I'm really surprised. I had no idea that Evo was manfactured by Menu Foods. I'm so glad I feed my cats a homemade diet. I feel so bad for people whose pets have gotten sick or worse :( on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:10:54 GMT, "PawsForThought" <mickey4paws@gmail.com> wrote: > I had no idea that Evo was manfactured by Menu Foods. Only their wet food. SignatureLynne Hi, just found this "cat talk" club... any suggestions on home made foods for our furbabies....this cat food scare has me in a frenzy. Thanks Rosie > Hi, just found this "cat talk" club... > any suggestions on home made foods for our furbabies....this cat food > scare has me in a frenzy. Thanks Rosie Cats must have taurine or they will go blind. It's a bad idea to make your own food, unless you really want to learn about cat nutrition first. But maybe you do. If so, Google is your friend. What kind of cats do you have? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "PawsForThought" <mickey4paws@gmail.com> wrote in message >Yeah, I wouldn't take a chance either. I'm really surprised. I had >no idea that Evo was manfactured by Menu Foods. Wellness, Wysong, and Hill's too! Although they all say their foods are made according to their strict guidelines, they're still manufactured by a third party which certainly affects quality control. The only company I feel I can trust now is Purina. What a nightmare this is. Phil > "PawsForThought" <mickey4paws@gmail.com> wrote in message >>Yeah, I wouldn't take a chance either. I'm really surprised. I had no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Phil I suspect most premium pet foods are the same as ordinary pet foods, but with a different label and white-coat marketing to make the consumer feel elite. It's like the great American bottled-water scam. But here is a company that apparently uses food-grade ingredients and processing in their pet foods: http://www.frommfamily.com/ I'll bet it costs plenty, too. Charlie >But here is a company that apparently uses food-grade ingredients and >processing in their pet foods: > >http://www.frommfamily.com/ It looks good enough for me to eat it! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs on Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:43:07 GMT, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote: > I suspect most premium pet foods are the same as ordinary pet foods, > but with a different label and white-coat marketing to make the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'll bet it costs plenty, too. It's manufactured in China. No thanks. SignatureLynne On 27 Mar, 08:43, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote: > > "PawsForThought" <mickey4p...@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>Yeah, I wouldn't take a chance either. I'm really surprised. I had no [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > But here is a company that apparently uses food-grade ingredients and > processing in their pet foods: > http://www.frommfamily.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Is it only certain batch numbers that have been withdrawn from the market? The reason I ask is because nothing has been withdrawn from the shelves over here. I went to Pets @ Home this morning & I see Hills is still on sale here. It must be terrible not knowing which foods you can trust & which ones you can't... I hope that things improve for you all soon. S. >> Phil > > I suspect most premium pet foods are the same as ordinary pet foods, but > with a different label and white-coat marketing to make the consumer feel > elite. It's like the great American bottled-water scam. I knew a truck driver once who used to list the fancy brands and store brands of things like orange juice that he picked up at the same processing plant, just packaged with different labels. >>> Phil >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > brands of things like orange juice that he picked up at the same. > processing plant, just packaged with different labels. Yeah. I researched this subject years ago for something I wrote. That's what makes me think pet foods are the same way. They give you a scientific looking "nutritional analysis" for the 99 cent can without mentioning that it applies to the 49 cent can as well, because they're both from the same run. This Menu Foods panic ought to wise people up. Charlie >>> I suspect most premium pet foods are the same as ordinary pet foods, >>> but with a different label and white-coat marketing to make the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >mentioning that it applies to the 49 cent can as well, because they're >both from the same run. This Menu Foods panic ought to wise people up. Just like gasoline. A while back I seen a tanker truck dropping gas at a Clark station and later that same day a seen what I swear was the same truck unloading at a Sunoco station!! ***************************************************** E-mail address altered to foil spam. Reply to news groups for all to see please. _ / ) (\__/) ( ( ) ( ) ) ={ }= / / ) `-------/ / ( / \ | ,'\ , ,' `-'\ ,---\ | \ _) ) `. \ / (__/ ) ) (_/ (\__/) )oo( ={ >}= ***************************************************** > The only company I feel I can trust now is Purina. > > What a nightmare this is. ........Yeah, I have to say (from what I've heard) that their Mighty Dog pouches were withdrawn not because they were manufactured by Menu Foods, but because they had recently switched to a new supplier for some ingredient and didn't want to take the chance. That is how business should be done. They'll come out smelling like a rose on this one. How not to conduct business: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/16977666.htm When Diamond kibble was contaminated with aflatoxin they tested every bag before it left the factory. But then they knew what the contaminant was - aflatoxin. This is a much more difficult situation as they are still even now testing individual ingredients because some top vets are not convinced aminopterin is the sole problem. The scope and mystery of this thing makes it all the more difficult. I think everyone on the planet understands that stuff happens, mistakes are made, blah blah. It was Menu Foods handling of the situation that was downright criminal. If they had been out front from the get go, not delaying notification, voluntarily stopping production, communicating regularly with their clients, from pet food companies to consumers, people would not be so p*ssed. I'd suggst people keep up with www.howl911.com and www.petconnection.com for latest info. There's links to 2 vet blogs also (one on each site) - vetcetera and doolitler which are worth a read. buglady take out the dog before replying Well screw Natura Pet Products. As a little background, I can't buy their products from any retailer here. NO ONE carries them. Here is the reply I got from them: Natura Pet Products does not encourage Internet Sales therefore we do not keep a separate listing of who sells our products on the Internet. We prefer our customers go into their local independent retail store where they can review date codes for freshness, get the added knowledge of the store staff about our products, plus make a savings by avoiding the shipping cost. Any product purchased via the internet is not guaranteed by Natura Pet Products and must be returned to same internet sales provider. SignatureLynne where did you get your info... I can find no link between Menu and Innova Evo..... give us some proof of your statements. Just because they won't sell to you via internet is no excuse for bashing... in fact, what they told you is true. (safer to buy in store) So, before I feed my cats, what link did you find? > Well screw Natura Pet Products. As a little background, I can't buy their > products from any retailer here. NO ONE carries them. Here is the reply [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > shipping cost. Any product purchased via the internet is not guaranteed by > Natura Pet Products and must be returned to same internet sales provider. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:36:28 GMT, "The Cat Whisperer" <kaos.kaptain at gmail dot com> wrote: > where did you get your info... I can find no link between Menu and > Innova Evo..... give us some proof of your statements. > Just because they won't sell to you via internet is no excuse for > bashing... in fact, what they told you is true. (safer to buy in > store) So, before I feed my cats, what link did you find? The person who compiled this list: http://petsitusa.com/blog/?p=210 called Natura, the mfg of Innova. See our exchange in the comments at the bottom of the page. I then called Natura, too, to ask additional questions. Natura confirmed all of the information. You are welcome to call them, too. SignatureLynne > on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:36:28 GMT, "The Cat Whisperer" <kaos.kaptain at > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Lynne Fantastic list. Thanks Lynne. on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:36:28 GMT, "The Cat Whisperer" <kaos.kaptain at gmail dot com> wrote: > Just because they won't sell to you via internet is no excuse for > bashing... And by the way, wtf does this mean? I bought it from an internet retailer who the friggen manufacturer supplied it to, yet that same manufacturer won't back it up if I buy from them? THEN WHY SUPPLY IT TO THEM?? If I could buy it locally, I would, jackass. SignatureLynne > Well screw Natura Pet Products. As a little background, I can't buy their > products from any retailer here. NO ONE carries them. Here is the reply I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Lynne That's terrible. Some of these companies are showing their true colors in all of this it seems. I'm also disappointed petfooddirect.com isn't taking returns. I've bought from them many times....and won't again. Innova doesn't use wheat in their products, right? Do you still think there's a chance of cross contamination? I just fed my cats a can of the red label Innova tonight. This is driving me crazy, I don't know what the heck to give them. Should we stick to dry food for a while? I have 3 cases of Iams wet food which was recalled. My food isn't in the date range of the recall, but was manufactured in the plant that was involved in the recall. NO WAY am I feeding this to my cats. Since I couldn't get through to Iams, I called PetFoodDirect and they told me to return to Iams for a refund. I explained it wasn't food that was part of the recall and they kept telling me they can't give refunds, that I have to deal with Iams directly. Then I got a supervisor on the line, and she gave me a RMA (Returned Merchandise Authorization) number to put on the outside of my package. I can get a full refund from them, but have to pay for the return shipping myself. After that, I called Iams and was finally able to get through on their phone line. They didn't even ask me about the date code, just asked if it was food that was involved in the recall (and technically it was). They don't want the food returned. They asked how much I paid for it and a check is on the way. They told me to dispose of the food carefully. Now how do I do that? I want to dispose of it properly so no strays end up eating it. Does anyone have any suggestions? I have 72 cans so the less time consuming your idea is the more I will appreciate it! ~ narnia ~ >I'm returning my 22 remaining cans of Evo. I just got confirmation that it >was manufactured at a Menu Foods plant. The risk, however small, of cross [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I'll throw it in the garbage if they won't take it back. I wouldn't even >feed this to a rat. > Innova doesn't use wheat in their products, right? Do you still think > there's a chance of cross contamination? I just fed my cats a can of > the red label Innova tonight. This is driving me crazy, I don't know > what the heck to give them. Should we stick to dry food for a while? Natura, who "makes" Innova confirmed to me that their Innova Evo wet is made at a Menu Foods manufacturing plant in S.Dakota. They assured me that there is no risk of cross contamination because the effected products were made in a different plant. That should be good enough for a sane person, but I'm not willing to risk it. There are no wheat products in the Evo, so the risk is absolutely miniscule, but I've been on the losing end of odds like that in the past and so that isn't comforting to me. > I have 3 cases of Iams wet food which was recalled. My food isn't in > the date range of the recall, but was manufactured in the plant that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > anyone have any suggestions? I have 72 cans so the less time consuming > your idea is the more I will appreciate it! Honestly? I would just chuck it in the trash in the cans. That's not my style--I reuse and recycle as much as possible--but the only other option I can think of is to flush it down the toilet... OR, you could take it to a shelter and let them give it to cats as a last meal before they are euthanized, but ONLY if it's right before, so they don't get sick before it's their time to go. I'm not sure if a shelter would feed it to cats even at that point, though. It seems unethical to me. SignatureLynne on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:56:25 GMT, Lynne <unmonitored.email@gmail.com> wrote: > Natura, who "makes" Innova confirmed to me that their Innova Evo wet is > made at a Menu Foods manufacturing plant in S.Dakota. They assured me > that there is no risk of cross contamination because the effected > products were made in a different plant. That should be good enough for > a sane person, but I'm not willing to risk it. Okay, I just found this which should help you (and me) relax: "Menu Foods' three U.S. and one Canadian factory produce more than 1 billion containers of wet pet food a year. The recall covers pet food made at company plants in Emporia, Kan., and Pennsauken, N.J., Henderson said." from http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/6570572.html Again, the Innova Evo was manufactured at the Menu Foods plant in S.Dakota. SignatureLynne So what's the decision? To throw away the Innova food? Even though it was made a different plant and supposedly does not contain any wheat gluten (or any grain for that matter)? The reason I ask is because I've been feeding my cats Wellness (just bought another case of it yesterday) and according to this list some of Wellness is made by Menu Foods. I haven't had a chance to call Wellness yet to find out what plant the food is made at (closed for the weekend) but the Wellness food also does not contain any grain. Sue > on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:56:25 GMT, Lynne <unmonitored.email@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Again, the Innova Evo was manufactured at the Menu Foods plant in > S.Dakota. on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:50:51 GMT, "blkcatgal" <blkcatgal@comcast.net> wrote: > So what's the decision? To throw away the Innova food? Even though > it was made a different plant and supposedly does not contain any > wheat gluten (or any grain for that matter)? I'm not feeding it to them, I just can't. According to the latest news reports, Menu Foods still isn't sure of the source of the poison or what ingredient was tainted (not to mention how), so I just won't risk feeding anything made by them to any of my animals. If I can't get a refund, I'll kiss the money goodbye as I flush it down the toilet. We're switching to Felidae. > The reason I ask is because I've been feeding my cats Wellness (just > bought another case of it yesterday) and according to this list some > of Wellness is made by Menu Foods. I haven't had a chance to call > Wellness yet to find out what plant the food is made at (closed for > the weekend) but the Wellness food also does not contain any grain. Don't let my hyper-caution make you crazy. Seriously. Do what you are comfortable doing. Intellectually, I believe the food I have is safe, but emotionally, I can't make the leap to actually give it to them. SignatureLynne I guess you gotta do whatever you are comfortable with. I am the same way...intellectually I know the food is okay...they have been eating it for over a month and both are fine. I checked the new stuff I just bought and most of the codes are the same as what is on the previous stuff I bought about a month or so ago (guess there's not a big turn-over in the food at the pet store I buy it from). But there's that little nagging voice in the back of my brain saying "what happens if they find out it's all the food Menu Foods has been making for the past few months???" I really think this is unlikely, though (there goes the intellectual part of me!). S. > on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:50:51 GMT, "blkcatgal" <blkcatgal@comcast.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > comfortable doing. Intellectually, I believe the food I have is safe, > but emotionally, I can't make the leap to actually give it to them. on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:47:59 GMT, "blkcatgal" <blkcatgal@comcast.net> wrote: > I guess you gotta do whatever you are comfortable with. I am the same > way...intellectually I know the food is okay...they have been eating [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > past few months???" I really think this is unlikely, though (there > goes the intellectual part of me!). See, you have an advantage--in my mind, anyway. I bought this case in February and have only fed half each of 2 cans... So I don't have any proof it's safe. If we were through more of it, I'd feel much better. So in your shoes, I really wouldn't worry. SignatureLynne Same thing here It makes me wonder if that strange fever and infection that spirit had months ago before the recall date had anything to do with this. >I guess you gotta do whatever you are comfortable with. I am the same >way...intellectually I know the food is okay...they have been eating it for [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> comfortable doing. Intellectually, I believe the food I have is safe, >> but emotionally, I can't make the leap to actually give it to them. > Don't let my hyper-caution make you crazy. Seriously. Do what > you are comfortable doing. Intellectually, I believe the food I > have is safe, but emotionally, I can't make the leap to actually > give it to them. Other than this scare, how do your cats like it? How do they do on it? I'd been thinking about buying some to try out on my canned fooders, but I guess this isn't the time to change food if they're eating one not on the recall list and doing well. I'd just like to find some more quality foods to add to their variety. SignatureCheryl on Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:58:26 GMT, Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: > Other than this scare, how do your cats like it? How do they do on > it? I'd been thinking about buying some to try out on my canned > fooders, but I guess this isn't the time to change food if they're > eating one not on the recall list and doing well. I'd just like to > find some more quality foods to add to their variety. Levi, my amazing kitten (he's on my lap right now), will eat anything. Both cats LOVE the Evo dry, but Rudy (my 3 year old) was very slow to come around to the wet. The Evo wet is mushy but not loose in texture, if that makes sense, and has no gravy. Rudy wouldn't touch the Nutro cuts & gravy--thank the god, b/c they'd both still be eating it and that thought SICKENS me. He finally started eating the Evo mush once I started cutting it into chunks (yeah, the things we do for our kitties!). What pisses me off is that he did come around, finally, and I was planning to wean them completely off the dry after my business trip next week. I *thought* Evo had premium ingredients. I have certainly been paying a premium price. Now that I know Menu Foods makes it and that they buy cheap ingredients, I highly doubt that the "chicken meal" in Evo is any better than the "chicken meal" in Walmart food. There's just more of it, and no fillers. Screw that. I've been doing my homework and am going to go through the agonizing process of switching them to Felidae. Canidae sent me samples of their dog food recently (which my dog LOVES and I'm switching her and my new puppy to). They are a fantastic company to deal with, and I have heard great things from people who feed their products to their animals (dogs and cats). They are sending cat food samples now. I didn't ask for Felidae samples before b/c I had no intention of switching off of Evo for the cats. Another nice thing for me, since I live in the sticks and no one around here sells it, is that they guarantee your satisfaction with their products and will refund your money no matter where you buy it. Just as it should be, IMO. Canidae even has a link to petfooddirect.com on their website. Most importantly, they manufacture ALL of their own foods. Now I just hope like hell my cats will like it. SignatureLynne > I've been doing my homework and am going to go through the > agonizing process of switching them to Felidae. Thanks for the review on Evo. My cats don't like Felidae, or I'd switch to that. I don't think there's much out there that I haven't tried my cats on. Which is why I'm thankful we'd settled on one food that wasn't on the recall list because I'd given up trying to get them to eat premium foods. FF is it for my two canned food snobs, and even my big male who only likes dry food has been eating some varieties of FF lately. So much so that I'm cutting back on the dry. One of my cats who lives for Calif Natural dry but will eat some Wellness (which I'm working toward switching her to more and more) and now I am reading a thread in another group about Wellness and garlic. AAAK. She won't eat any other canned food but Wellness turkey. Certified dry food addict. SignatureCheryl My cats go crazy for Innova Evo wet... It is their fav for sure out of their weekly variety: California Natural (Ocean Fish), Natural Balance (3 flavours: Venison, Turkey, Chicken), Wellness (Sardine - the only flavour of Wellness they liked) Solid Gold (their other fav). >> Don't let my hyper-caution make you crazy. Seriously. Do what >> you are comfortable doing. Intellectually, I believe the food I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > eating one not on the recall list and doing well. I'd just like to > find some more quality foods to add to their variety. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I have 3 cases of Iams wet food which was recalled. My food isn't in > the date range of the recall, but was manufactured in the plant that > was involved in the recall. NO WAY am I feeding this to my cats. I think that's a good call staying from IAMS completely, even if your particular cans are not on the recall list. There are even independent reports coming out of pets getting sick on their DRY food. http://www.itchmo.com/read/several-unconfirmed-reports-of-iams-dry-food-causing- illness_20070323 >Innova doesn't use wheat in their products, right? Do you still think >there's a chance of cross contamination? I just fed my cats a can of [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>I'll throw it in the garbage if they won't take it back. I wouldn't even >>feed this to a rat. Don't open the cans. Residue could be eaten by your pets, or other animals. Rats would almost certainly survive, unfortunately. (No offence meant to pet rat owners; just the irony of the rodent poison thing....) Just put them in a big garbage bag in a METAL garbage can, early in the morning, before pickup. Off to the landfill.... > Innova doesn't use wheat in their products, right? Do you still think > there's a chance of cross contamination? I just fed my cats a can of [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > anyone have any suggestions? I have 72 cans so the less time consuming > your idea is the more I will appreciate it! That's actually pretty decent of Iams. Personally, I'd take the canned food, add some spices and send a friendly meatloaf in a gift basket to Menu Foods. Seriously, though, as much as I hate the idea of contributing to the landfill, the best thing would be just dump unopened cans in the trash. I wouldn't think strays could smell through the metal cans. > Seriously, though, as much as I hate the idea of contributing to the > landfill, the best thing would be just dump unopened cans in the > trash. I wouldn't think strays could smell through the metal cans. I thought that too... what animal is going to chew through a metal can?! Then I realized those cans might get crushed and opened in the back of the garbage truck on the way to the landfill... >> Innova doesn't use wheat in their products, right? Do you still think >> there's a chance of cross contamination? I just fed my cats a can of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Personally, I'd take the canned food, add some spices and send a >friendly meatloaf in a gift basket to Menu Foods. Thanks, you just made me spit my Diet Coke all over my monitor! >Seriously, though, as much as I hate the idea of contributing to the >landfill, the best thing would be just dump unopened cans in the >trash. I wouldn't think strays could smell through the metal cans. I'm afraid someone will pull them out of the garbage (I live in NYC, anything and everything is possible here!). I think I'll flush them down the toilet over the next couple of days. > I'm afraid someone will pull them out of the garbage (I live in NYC, > anything and everything is possible here!). I think I'll flush them > down the toilet over the next couple of days. I hadn't even thought of something like that. And another poster mentioned them getting smashed and breaking open. You've got the best idea, IMO. I really respect the time and thought you've put into this. So many "what ifs" . Kittie I couldn't live with myself if I knew I was responsible for an animal getting ill. I just wish the folks at Menu Foods felt the same way. ~ narnia ~ >> I'm afraid someone will pull them out of the garbage (I live in NYC, >> anything and everything is possible here!). I think I'll flush them [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You've got the best idea, IMO. I really respect the time and thought >you've put into this. So many "what ifs" . > Kittie I couldn't live with myself if I knew I was responsible for an > animal getting ill. I just wish the folks at Menu Foods felt the same > way. Who says they don't? > Who says they don't? It's a fair assumption that a company who manufactures pet food and who will go with shitty suppliers to save money don't care enough. Though if I'm wrong and they are suffering over this, and not just because they know it's going to hit them in their wallets, then GOOD. I'd like to say that I hope some of them are suffering so much that they commit suicide, but that would be wrong of me, so I won't. SignatureLynne You really are a wack-job... do you think Menu foods employees don't have pets too? Do you think they are all sadistic f.cks eager to kill? They f.cked up, it doesn't mean they should kill themselves... get a grip. Suicide is no joking matter. >> Who says they don't? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hope some of them are suffering so much that they commit suicide, but that > would be wrong of me, so I won't. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:00:19 GMT, "The Cat Whisperer" <kaos.kaptain at gmail dot com> wrote: > Do you think they are all sadistic f.cks eager to kill? I think the Menu Foods executives are greedy bastards who don't give a flying f.ck about our pets. If they did, they wouldn't have contracted to purchase substandard CRAP and put it in their foods and they wouldn't have waiting a f.cking month after they became aware of the problem before informing the public. That's what I think. > They f.cked up, it doesn't mean they should kill themselves... get a > grip. Suicide is no joking matter. Who said I was joking? SignatureLynne >> Who says they don't? > > It's a fair assumption that a company who manufactures pet food and who > will go with shitty suppliers to save money don't care enough. I don't think the contamination of a crop of wheat means that the company "went with shitty suppliers." Mistakes happen. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:32:56 GMT, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> wrote: > I don't think the contamination of a crop of wheat means that the > company "went with shitty suppliers." Uh, yeah, because buying wheat from China is a sure bet for high quality product... <sarcasm alert> Just why do you think they did that, Cybercat? Because they care about pets? Try profit margain. They care about profit margain. Period. They may care about their own pets, and they probably care about all the ones who are suffering and who had died NOW, but you can be damn sure they didn't give a second thought to getting the lowest priced product (=CRAP) that they could, no matter how they spin this later. No one should be surprised by this. > Mistakes happen. Oh, please. You say that like it's no one's fault. Mistakes on this order of magnitude don't just happen. They are the result of poor decisions made by people who should know better. More importantly, how a company handles mistakes like this is VERY telling. I wonder just how many pets could have been saved had they recalled their foods when they first became aware of the problem? I guess we'll know soon enough. f.ck Menu Foods. SignatureLynne I called Natura and they said that their canned food is made at Menu Foods, but not at the Kansas City location where the pet food recall occurred. Theirs is made at the South Dakota location, and they said that they provide all the ingredients themselves. > I called Natura and they said that their canned food is made at Menu > Foods, but not at the Kansas City location where the pet food recall > occurred. Theirs is made at the South Dakota location, and they said > that they provide all the ingredients themselves. Thanks for posting this, Mike. I did get that information on Friday but still don't feel comfortable feeding the Evo to my cats, not until the source of the poison is discovered. Actually, not ever, given how I feel about Menu Foods at this point. SignatureLynne have you recently stopped taking your meds? > on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:32:56 GMT, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > f.ck Menu Foods. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:28:45 GMT, "The Cat Whisperer" <kaos.kaptain at gmail dot com> wrote: > have you recently stopped taking your meds? Sounds like projection to me... especially after checking out your Usenet history. Unless your goal is to end up in killfiles, you really should at least try to post some independent ideas, rather than lame, unoriginal attempts at insults. SignatureLynne > I don't think the contamination of a crop of wheat means that the company > "went with > shitty suppliers." Mistakes happen. ........while that's true, MenuFoods used to buy their wheat gluten from MGP until 18 months ago. I think MGP mentioned in a later story than the one below that the imported stuff costs 20% less. Menu Foods Income Fund (the whole name) was also not doing too well last year. This is not a new story. For example, our country bans certain pesticides for use on some crops, but the US chemical companies that make them can still sell them to other countries. Hence food gets into our country with perhaps residual banned pesticides on them. Apparently we also ship whole foods to other countries and they come back processed. Why? Cheap labor. Most of the countries they go to do not have the same safety standards we do. There is no food safety. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070321/cgw064.html?.v=51 buglady take out the dog before replying >> I don't think the contamination of a crop of wheat means that the company >> "went with [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > they go to do not have the same safety standards we do. There is no food > safety. An informative post, thanks. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Click on the link in the message above - how not to do business - they knew there was a problem almost a month before issuing the recall. >> Kittie I couldn't live with myself if I knew I was responsible for an >> animal getting ill. I just wish the folks at Menu Foods felt the same >> way. > >Who says they don't? |
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