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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2007Might as well just buy the cheap stuff.
Over 40 brands recalled. If they're all made by the same manufacturer why spend money on brand names? From another newsgroup: No, no, it's a CONTRACT company. They make foods for lots of different companies, under contract, per the recipe they are given. The foods are NOT the same. They are just being produced, under different contracts, from different recipes, at the same place. A lot of human food is made this way. IE, Coca Cola has contracts with bottling companies that make Coke, but they also make K Cola for a different customer from a different recipe. For some reason people are getting the idea that all foods made at a contract company are the same food. That's not what a contract company does. Stacey >Over 40 brands recalled. If they're all made by the same manufacturer >why spend money on brand names? > From another newsgroup: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Over 40 brands recalled. If they're all made by the same manufacturer > >why spend money on brand names? But if they contract out to a company, then they will be held responsible if they choose a company - like Menu Foods - that buys crap to save a buck and ends up selling poison. I don't give a damn if it's pet food or chicken noodle soup. I'm done with all the companies that have used Menu Foods, even if in the end it means I have to start cooking chickens every f.cking day and feeding my cats cooked chicken. > > From another newsgroup: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I don't give a damn if it's pet food or chicken noodle soup. Um, yah, but the thing is, Menu Foods has up to now been a reliable supplier of foods that were safe and met the companies' specifications. There may be an issue with how frequently and by what methods they quality-tested what they received from Menu, but it's important to remember that NO method will completely eliminate all possibility of problems. > I'm done with all the companies that have used Menu Foods, even if in > the end it means I have to start cooking chickens every f.cking day > and feeding my cats cooked chicken. This makes no sense. Pressuring them to drop Menu NOW, sure; issuing a commercial "death penalty" for having trusted a supplier who has previously always been reliable is nuts. And unless you're prepared to feed your cat whole ground mouse, you're going to have a tough time putting together a diet for her that's as balanced and complete as a premium commercial food. Lis > This makes no sense. Pressuring them to drop Menu NOW, sure; issuing a > commercial "death penalty" for having trusted a supplier who has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lis I've always wondered about this. My Rusty was a born hunter, having been descended from generations of farm cats, and he always preferred what he caught to any canned or bagged food on the market. That said, he is now 16, a wee bit slow on his feet so he doesn't catch what he hunts so much anymore (when he does hunt). Anyhow, until this point in time, he has been the healthiest of cats even though his diet consisted more of wildlife than any commercial food product. So, are there better nutrients in wildlife than say, grocery store chicken? Rusty has never had any problems with hairballs either, I don't recall him ever throwing any up, and he's a domestic long hair. I read once that the rougage the big wild cats get from eating bones and such, takes care of their need for any type of hairball treatment. Oh, and he always liked the mice heads best. Patty > > This makes no sense. Pressuring them to drop Menu NOW, sure; issuing a > > commercial "death penalty" for having trusted a supplier who has [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Patty When Rusty eats a mouse, he eats the whole mouse--a complete and balanced meal for a cat. When you feed him grocery store chicken, you feed him parts. Not the whole thing, not the parts humans find disgusting, and not the contents of the chicken's stomach when it died. You can cook for you cat, but you need to remember that your intincts about what's nutritious (and tasty and appetizing, but especially nutritious) are wrong, because cats are the only domestic animal that's an obligate carnivore. There ARE some good cookbooks out there that can give you good guidance, but it's a lot of work, and most people simply aren't willing to both do all the work, and ignore their instincts in the cause of doing it right. (I'd post the titles of those cookbooks if I still had any of them; sorry!) Just cooking chicken for your cat, even including organ meats, is simply not as good as a well-tested, premium commercial food, that's been carefully developed to both provide a healthy diet for the cat, AND not be too disgusting-smelling when opened for people to buy it a second time. (Really. Every so often some company gets as far as limited market-testing of whole ground mouse. Even true cat lovers don't open that second can.) Lis What I don't get is those who feed their cats a raw meat diet. This could potentially make your cat sick with salmonella or other harmful bacteria. At least with canned food it's been processed.  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >> >> > This makes no sense. Pressuring them to drop Menu NOW, sure; issuing a [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Lis on Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:40:54 GMT, "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> wrote: > What I don't get is those who feed their cats a raw meat diet. This > could potentially make your cat sick with salmonella or other harmful > bacteria. At least with canned food it's been processed. Well you could do your homework (think: Google) and then you would learn why salmonella and "other harmful bacteria" aren't harmful to cats. Just a thought. SignatureLynne You will find most vets will also say the same thing. Feeding your cat a raw diet is doing more harm than good. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > on Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:40:54 GMT, "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just a thought. > What I don't get is those who feed their cats a raw meat diet. This could > potentially make your cat sick with salmonella or other harmful bacteria. At > least with canned food it's been processed. Well, there's a lot more to it than hacking up raw meat and throwing to the cats. Feeding a raw diet *can* be done right, but just like commercial cat food, there's a formula to follow. It takes a lot of dedication to do it right. Bacteria isn't an issue if safe-handling guidelines are followed. I wouldn't ever do it. It's a lot of work, and very expensive. Sherry > Well, there's a lot more to it than hacking up raw meat and throwing > to the cats. Feeding a raw diet *can* be done right, but just like > commercial cat food, there's a formula to follow. It takes a lot of > dedication to do it right. Bacteria isn't an issue if safe-handling > guidelines are followed. > I wouldn't ever do it. It's a lot of work, and very expensive. I'd buy canned mice for my cats (heck, I buy dead frozen mice for the snake), but I'll bet chasing them down and killing them is half the fun of consuming them. I imagine that if some bold company were to can mice, they'd still have to do something to it in order to make it more appealing to kitties. SignatureLynne >> Well, there's a lot more to it than hacking up raw meat and >> throwing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > appealing > to kitties. My former neighborhood stray, Melosa, managed on her own for close to a year, at best guess, including feeding a litter (presumably her first). I'm in a rural area and I'm guessing she dined mostly on field mice. She is now the least picky eater of my cats, whether Wellness or Fancy Feast or Science Diet. This is the cat I intended to TNR but who wouldn't leave the house after I brought her home from the vet. I think she's one who might disagree with you that it's fun to chase one's food. :) Now my pampered purebred Tonks, that's a different matter! Serious question about canned food: I'd changed from 100% dry to at least one daily feeding of canned (two daily feddings for the kittens until they reach about 9 months) after starting to read this newsgroup several years ago. None of the cats (except Melosa) will eat much of the canned, preferring dry, but I've persisted. Now I'm wondering if I should forget the canned until this whole recall business is concluded. Anyone have any thoughts on that? Gail F. You are doing the right thing... keep it up, Wellness is great and is my cat's fav. They should have wet food as well as dry, so avoid the bad stuff and stick with The GOOD stuff... Wellness, Natural Balance, ..... >>> Well, there's a lot more to it than hacking up raw meat and throwing >>> to the cats. Feeding a raw diet *can* be done right, but just like [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Gail F. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:00:06 GMT, "Gail Futoran" <futoran@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote: > Serious question about canned food: I'd > changed from 100% dry to at least one daily [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Anyone have any thoughts on that? It may be paranoia on both our parts, but I've had the same thoughts. Now that I know Innova Evo is a Menu Food product, I'm not going to serve anymore wet until I'm absolutely certain it's safe. I've only used 1 can out of the last case I purchased, so I really don't have a high level of comfort based on any "well it hasn't hurt them yet" experiences... SignatureLynne > Now > that I know Innova Evo is a Menu Food product, I'm not going to > serve anymore wet until I'm absolutely certain it's safe. How did I miss this? It is?? SignatureCheryl on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:17:40 GMT, Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: >> Now >> that I know Innova Evo is a Menu Food product, I'm not going to >> serve anymore wet until I'm absolutely certain it's safe. > > How did I miss this? It is?? Here you go: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/2f216915b762a 1f5 SignatureLynne > on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:00:06 GMT, "Gail Futoran" > <futoran@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > level of > comfort based on any "well it hasn't hurt them yet" experiences... My cats never eat that much of the canned, preferring the dry food, so I'll continue to offer a variety of different manufacturers and different flavors. I figure that's reasonably safe. This morning Marcus, my only male cat, followed me into the kitchen squeaking (he doesn't meow). So I put down some SD kitten canned for him and Gabby, the other kitten, and they ate more than usual. I usually feed them at night, so I guess I'm going to have to switch to a morning feed. I am ruled by my cats. ::sigh:: Gail F. on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:36:04 GMT, "Gail Futoran" <futoran@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote: > I am ruled by my cats. ::sigh:: Well then all is right in your universe. :) SignatureLynne > > Well, there's a lot more to it than hacking up raw meat and throwing > > to the cats. Feeding a raw diet *can* be done right, but just like [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Lynne Oh, I'd probably try it too. I bought canned from petfooddirect that was made out of rabbit meat, thinking OF COURSE they would love it. Heh. They turned their noses up at it. This is all part of trying to get Boots to eat *anything*...she is picky, picky and a tiny little thing. But I bet I'll be much more careful about indiscriminate purchases of anything-that-looks-like-Boots-might-eat-it. After this recall fiasco. I'll probably be much more likely to stick to their regular brand. Sherry >>> This makes no sense. Pressuring them to drop Menu NOW, sure; issuing a >>> commercial "death penalty" for having trusted a supplier who has [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > When Rusty eats a mouse, he eats the whole mouse--a complete and > balanced meal for a cat. Actually, no. He always ate the head and left the body for me. I would find headless bodies on the sidewalk along side the house. > When you feed him grocery store chicken, you feed him parts. Not the > whole thing, not the parts humans find disgusting, and not the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Lis Thanks, Lis. That makes sense. Patty > Actually, no. He always ate the head and left the body for me. I would > find headless bodies on the sidewalk along side the house. Ah, memories... I never used to like cats AT ALL until I moved into a very cool house in college my junior year, with 7 roommates. The girl whose room I moved into left 2 of her cats behind for 3 months while she travelled abroad. I was disintereted in them until her very large male, a tuxedo cat named Micah, took a liking to me. He was such an awesome cat. I was always touched when he left me headless mice as gifts (I found the first by sitting on it!). When Patti came back and took her cats, I missed Micah so much that I went out and got my first kitten. Lamonte, my kitten, preferred to hunt one of my roommates' fish when he was little, which didn't please him (the roommate) at all. Come to think of it, not long after we brought Rudy home, he ate my daughter's beta fish, who didn't appreciate it AT ALL when I couldn't stop laughing. SignatureLynne > Oh, and he always liked the mice heads best. > > Patty Well, the way I understand it, mouse brains are "nutritious and delicious." IIRC, that's the main source of taurine. Sherry >> Oh, and he always liked the mice heads best. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sherry Thanks, Sherry. Guess that's why he liked them best. Patty > Over 40 brands recalled. If they're all made by the same manufacturer > why spend money on brand names? ---------- Because all the foods are not necessarily the same. The same manufacturer could be producing multiple different formulas, some higher end, some lower end. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > Over 40 brands recalled. If they're all made by the same manufacturer why > spend money on brand names? Re-read the information. They are "contract" producers and produce formulas provided by their purchasers. So they are NOT all the same. MLB Newsflash it's even the cheap stuff killing the cats. Didn't you notice that special kitty is on the list it's about as cheap as it gets. Celeste > Over 40 brands recalled. If they're all made by the same manufacturer > why spend money on brand names? There are still premium foods that are NOT made by Menu. Wellness and Innova are two. Also, all of the suspect foods are the meat chunks in gravy variety and the bad ingredient is wheat gluton. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') > There are still premium foods that are NOT made by Menu. > Wellness and Innova are two. Also, all of the suspect foods are > the meat chunks in gravy variety and the bad ingredient is wheat > gluton. I wouldn't even consider any of the affected foods to be premium. I don't consider Iams or Eukanuba premium, and Nutro, while maybe it used to be hasn't been so in a while from what I've read. Wheat gluton still isn't confirmed as the culprit. And why the hell aren't they disclosing the supplier name of this so-called tainted wheat gluton ingredient? Why aren't they standing up to defend their product? All of this smells highly of fish IMO. One article I read said that it was cats and dogs participating in a taste test that died, and early on it was more than the one dog they're now saying died. There is nothing at all clear yet in this case and it broke nearly a week ago. No wonder everyone is concerned and scared. SignatureCheryl |
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