Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2007
Behavioral Problems
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Jenta - 20 Mar 2007 06:31 GMT I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was telling her that my family normally declaws all the paws. She was telling me that declawing all the paws on cats can alter their behavior with the litter box and such. My Snickers was declawed in all four paws and he never had any behavioral problems except loving us too much. Has anyone else heard this or has has any similar problems with this? Jenna
Matthew - 20 Mar 2007 06:38 GMT Google for your answer it will keep the peace for all involved The question of declawing is going to open a can of worms that is getting very old and tiresome in the cat groups.
>I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb > 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with this? > Jenna cindys - 20 Mar 2007 07:13 GMT >I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb > 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with this? > Jenna ---------- I'm a little confused. Your cat didn't simply pass away. You previously posted that you had your cat euthanized because you couldn't afford to pay for his medical care (thyroid medication and visits to the veterinarian). And now, you are now thinking of *buying* another cat? When you have a pet, you are responsible for taking care of it. Part of that responsibility is providing medical care. If you can't afford to pay for medical care, you should not have a pet. BTW, how much does a declaw (aka mutilation) currently cost? After doing a websearch, I would say that a ballpark figure is around $150 to $200. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Rene S. - 20 Mar 2007 14:10 GMT > I'm a little confused. Your cat didn't simply pass away. You previously > posted that you had your cat euthanized because you couldn't afford to pay [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. I must admit that I'm confused too. I tried to help you when you posted, but you went ahead and euthanized your cat before reading any of the responses. Getting a kitten means lots of expenses, shots, neuter/spay, etc., way more than it would have cost to help your previous cat.
Watch out, the declaw issue is a hot topic here. Yes, cats can have behavior problems from declaw, including biting and avoiding the litterbox.
Rene
cindys - 20 Mar 2007 18:15 GMT > I must admit that I'm confused too. I tried to help you when you > posted, but you went ahead and euthanized your cat before reading any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > behavior problems from declaw, including biting and avoiding the > litterbox. ---------- Has anyone else considered the possibility that this could be a troll? Consider the elements: 1. A story about euthanizing a cat rather than treating its medical problems. 2. Planning to *purchase* a new cat from a breeder. 3. Planning to declaw the new kitten, and not only just the front paws, but all four feet!
Any of the above elements by itself would be destined to get people worked up, but put them all together, and everyone goes ballistic. The only thing missing is if she said she was planning to let the new kitten go outside (after mutilating all its paws so it could never defend herself) and stating that she was not planning to spay/neuter the cat or get any vaccinations because she couldn't afford to do so. She could then claim that she would easily be able to find homes for all the kittens (or that she didn't have a choice but to take the kittens to the local shelter). Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Rene S. - 20 Mar 2007 19:41 GMT > >> I must admit that I'm confused too. I tried to help you when you > > posted, but you went ahead and euthanized your cat before reading any [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Cindy, I never thought about it like that. I tend to be more trusting and help people here.
Rene
cindys - 20 Mar 2007 20:12 GMT >> >> I must admit that I'm confused too. I tried to help you when you >> > posted, but you went ahead and euthanized your cat before reading any [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I never thought about it like that. I tend to be more trusting and > help people here. ---------- I was just throwing it out as a possibility. I'm not saying it's necessarily true. Based on my past experience on other newsgroups, I really have made an effort on this newsgroup to be careful about making accusations. I've been trying hard not to make assumptions or jump to conclusions about people until I have the facts, but in this case, I guess I don't care if the OP is offended by my suggestion, even if she isn't a troll. I doubt she will post here again anyway. If she isn't a troll, she came here hoping that we would say the breeder was wrong to say that declawing would lead to behavior problems. The OP was hoping we would all agree with her that declawing a cat is fine. I guess she came to the wrong place. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Wendy - 21 Mar 2007 11:48 GMT >> I must admit that I'm confused too. I tried to help you when you >> posted, but you went ahead and euthanized your cat before reading any [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. lol I love it! Then the next post would be a bit down the road to tell us that her mutilated oops declawed cat was peeing all over her house in spite of her giving it access to the yard via the cat flap so now she had to take kitty to the pound too and claim to them that she found it as a stray so she wouldn't have to pay the relinquishment donation.
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cindys - 21 Mar 2007 14:13 GMT >>> I must admit that I'm confused too. I tried to help you when you >>> posted, but you went ahead and euthanized your cat before reading any [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > to take kitty to the pound too and claim to them that she found it as a > stray so she wouldn't have to pay the relinquishment donation. ------------ And while we're on a roll....What is this "My family has always done it this way." So break the family tradition! Is declawing some kind of a sacred cow? And another thing...people rationalize declawing the front paws on the basis that the cat is going to scratch the furniture, but why declaw the back feet? Best regards, --Cindy S.
bookie - 20 Mar 2007 13:36 GMT > I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb > 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with this? > Jenna do not declaw your new cat if you get one, i repeat DO NOT DECLAW YOUR CAT, it is cruel, unnecessary, and is basically inflicting lots of pain and mutilation on an animal for no decent reason other than to keep a few bits of furniture scratch free, it is basically animal abuse and it is banned in every other country in the world apart from america for a very good reason.
I shall stop there before i get all worked up, I know I will, but I repeat DO NOT GET ANY ANIMAL DECLAWED.
bookie
Lynne - 20 Mar 2007 15:13 GMT > I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb > 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > too much. Has anyone else heard this or has has any similar problems > with this? I think you would be much better off with a Gund brand kitten.
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cindys - 20 Mar 2007 15:31 GMT >> I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb >> 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think you would be much better off with a Gund brand kitten. --------- Are you reading my mind? Best regards, ---Cindy S.
sheelagh - 20 Mar 2007 17:11 GMT Don't get a cat if you intend to amputate it from the first knuckle on each foot. Simple!
I don't understand how you can afford to have a cat declawed at all, If you couldn't afford to have the previous cat treated for it's thyroid problem? And your cat didn't pass away, because you told us that it was euthanized..
To be perfectly frank with you, This is exactly how your post reads to almost EVERYONE who posts here..The same people that you asked for help last time, then went on to totally ignore their advice, then do as you intended to all along...
Your post reads:
I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was telling her that my family normally declaws all the paws. She was telling me that declawing all the paws on cats can alter their behavior with the litter box and such. My Snickers was declawed in all four paws and he never had any behavioral problems except loving us too much. Has anyone else heard this or has has any similar problems with this? Jenna ************************************************************************************************* And this is what we hear:
I have just had my last cat euthanized because it was becoming such as hassle that we frankly couldn't be bothered to cope with this problem, much less afford it. We had no feelings for the cat as you can tell, because we chose to euthanize rather than care for our faithful feline friend.
Now that we have got rid of the last problematic cat, we are now considering getting a mutilated kitten. Preferably one that is amputated at the fist knuckle of every paw, so that it won't wreck our furniture, or pull snags on the rug.
The breeder that we are considering buying from, mutilates all of her cats in this fashion, has warned us that this cat will be scarred for life, & will to all intense and purposes be a disabled cat. She knows this to be the case, because she has a houseful of problematic cats herself!
Therefore, you might expect it to have behavioural problems, including biting, inappropriate toileting problems and will never be able to defend it's self against any other cat it might happen to meet. It also predisposes the cat to serious behavioural attitudes to it's humans too. ( somewhat unsurprisingly)...... **************************************************************************************************
Personally, *I* wouldn't sell you a flea, & *I* used to be a breeder*!!!!! The reason I am so cynical is because you tried to convince us to think that you cared about your cat, & that you came to this group for advice..advice that you chose to ignore..!
You already admit that you chose to declaw your last cat, &* IMHO*, that is reason enough not to sell you a kitten for any amount of money in the world......
The very fact that you chose to go to a breeder that would consider amputating & mutilating, her kittens, does you no favours at all Coming here for advice regarding this poor kitten, shows you to be someone who does no think, Period.....
I very much hope that you take this advice to heart. I have NEVER said this to anyone who came to this group for advice, & I also happen to be one of the milder posters when it comes to people asking advice..
However, what you are considering doing, tells me that you not only couldn't care less what happens to the kitty, so what is the point in trying to help you?
Because, all you will do, is as you please, which is exactly what you did last time. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that declawing a cat should only be done, if the owner is willing to try out the process first. Does that put the issue into perspective for you?
Matthew was right when he told you to google it, because declawing is a very hot spot to most of us.
Bookie is right when she tells you that it is illegal in most countries for a damned good reason.
Rene tried to help you last time, & Cindy who is the kindest hearted person on here, quite rightly points out that she is more than confused about you *BUYING* another kitten. Having put down your last one because it had a problem. She also points out that if you didn't have the money to help- your last cat, how have you managed to find the cash to go out and buy a nice new mutilated model that you prefer to the last one?
Both Cyber & Lynne have the right of the issue when they tell you to go out and buy a beanie cat baby, because you don't appear to have the responsibility when it comes to owning a cat. A cat is much like a child & depends on you to ensure that you do the right thing regarding your cat. Until you can see the point of what we are all trying to tell you, May I suggest that you refrain from buying a mutilated kitten, whilst you use the the time to research the issues that we point out for you?
Once you have taken the time to read up on the issues that we point out, you will see that we are only telling you what is factually true & proven true too!
I can't wish you the best, because I feel so strongly about this. But I can say that I do hope that you rethink the issue & if you feel you MUST have a Kitty, then go to one of the thousands of shelters across your country & help out a poor little kitty that DESPERATELY needs a home, Please? I can assure you that you will be doing the right thing for both you and the kitty too. S.
cindys - 20 Mar 2007 17:44 GMT Hi, Sheelagh! I agree with everything you wrote, except for one thing: The breeder was telling her not to have the kitten declawed because it will lead to behavioral problems, and the OP was arguing that her previous cat (the one she had euthanized because it was too much money/bother to treat his thyroid problem), who also had four (!) mutilated feet didn't have any behavioral problems except to use her exact words "loving them too much." What kind of a person has a cat (who loves them to pieces) euthanized for reasons of money and convenience and then turns around and looks for another cat? What happens when the new kitten gets sick? I'm sorry, but I have to stop now and cry. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
> Don't get a cat if you intend to amputate it from the first knuckle on > each foot. [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > and the kitty too. > S. bookie - 20 Mar 2007 19:06 GMT > cat? What happens when the new kitten gets sick? then that kitten has gone past it's 'use by date' and is thrown away like a broken toy, which is probably exactly how the OP views all her pets.
the whole thing is absolutely heartbreaking
bookie
IBen Getiner - 21 Mar 2007 10:39 GMT > I am looking to get a new kitten since my Snickers passed away on Feb > 5, 2007. I was speaking with a lady that is selling kittens. I was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with this? > Jenna Our boy has all of his claws removed, front and back. And he's never exhibited any problems whatsoever. The left-wing liberal LUNATICS in here are dead-set against declawing, but not for any reason concerning discomfort... It's because they feel it's wrong to say 'No'. They feel it's the prerogative of the cat (or child, I'm quite sure) as to how he behaves, when and where. They see 'No' as a bad word and a obscene concept. Rules are wrong in the world that they were once free spirits in. Laws were made to be broken. Authority to be challenged. Remember... THESE are the kinds of people you're going to be dealing with THESE DAYS in any animal group on the web. They're mentally ill, therefore their opinions should be inverted. Just a word to the wise, Jenna. You seem like a down-to-earth type of person, and I know, because I am one as well. I've received nothing but the cold shoulder in here ever since I said that declawing is not a bad thing. And that our boy is perfectly happy and active in every way. Litter box included.. They just don't want to hear it. 'No' being the evil thing that it iz and all.....
IBen
Albert Johnston - 21 Mar 2007 14:32 GMT > Our boy has all of his claws removed, front and back. And he's never > exhibited any problems whatsoever. The left-wing liberal LUNATICS in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > IBen You have absolutely no consistency in the way that you treat your cat, but then again you're one big mess of behavioural problems yourself. The only consistent factor in your life is your metal illness.
Matthew - 21 Mar 2007 18:40 GMT "Albert Johnston" <albert.johnston@bol.com>
When and if you have to respond to an a@@hole troll why in the world do you all have to repost their dribble try snipping the passage so the rest of us how have that a@@hole kill filed don't have to read their bullsh@t
Lynne - 22 Mar 2007 01:20 GMT on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:40:18 GMT, "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> When and if you have to respond to an a@@hole troll why in the world > do you all have to repost their dribble try snipping the passage so > the rest of us how have that a@@hole kill filed don't have to read > their bullsh@t AMEN!!!!!
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IBen Getiner - 21 Mar 2007 19:32 GMT > IBen Getinerwrote: > > Our boy has all of his claws removed, front and back. And he's never [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You have absolutely no consistency in the way that you treat your cat, How so, Al....?
IBen
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