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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2007Up Date on Sad loss of kittens
Sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you with details and results of tests, but we had to wait for them, & I've had no PC for a couple of days either. After every cats swabs, blood tests, cultures, we had to wait for the results which were somewhat surprising, & I needed to find out what we could do for Tiggy, baring in mind that she has had no antenatal care, & results of the ultrasound tests to tell us what stage we are in her pregnancy too. The first shock was to find out that Lucy(fur!) is Fhv positive & the most probably source of infection because she is also Fcv positive too;o( All of the other cats white counts are more or less back to normal & the cultures told them that the only cat not infected at all, was Tiggy. Tiggy is into her 7th week of pregnancy, & the surgery were reluctant to abort the kitten, if there was any possible way that we could isolate her. This has been arranged & Tiggy has already gone to a foster home until the end of her confinement, & the rearing of her kittens is complete ( this is assuming that all goes well of course!!) They even took some amniotic fluid to see if they were viable, which sounded rather strange, but I believe them. It was hard watching Tiggy go, but I have to do what is right for the cat and her kittens in this instance. Tiggy is now living about a mile down the road, where there are no other cats or animals for her to catch or pass on any infections to. The news about Lucy is devastating though & we are not sure how to take it, or what the best course of action would be in her case. I know that there are several of you who have cats that are Fhv positive, but is there anyone out there who has a cat who is possitive to both Fhv & Fcv too? I would love to hear from you if you have, to hear how you cope with the disease & advice on the best course of action to take now, considering that we still have 6 other cats to take into consideration. The strangest thing is that we didn't think that Lucy was all that ill when the pandemic hit?!! I am still reeling a bit from the results, so any views on how to cope with this new unknown would be greatly appreciated indeed. I feel terribly responsible for the whole situation, & could kick myself for not isolating Lucy(fur!) properly when we first got her;we got caught up in the emotion & let our guard down, & now we all pay the price for it. Guilt is a useless feeling, so I shall set that aside now & pray for a good outcome. If not, I only have myself to blame here..I made the error... S. <snip> > The news about Lucy is devastating though & we are not sure how > to take it, or what the best course of action would be in her [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to cope with this new unknown would be greatly appreciated > indeed. <snip> I'm happy to hear Tiggy is fine, and is isolated. Best wishes and purrs for her and the kits health. As for herpes virus and calicivirus, I wouldn't worry too much about it if Lucy doesn't seem sick. She's probably a carrier. Not at all uncommon, and you've seen what a carrier can do, and you wouldn't want to expose kittens to her. Not fun, but managable. Scarlett and Rhett, now over 2-1/2 years old, were both very sick with suspected and likely herpes virus, but no tests had been done to confirm it - we just treated it. It was recurred for months, but they were young and found outside with other littermates who were also sick, so they kept passing URIs between each other. At around 6 months old, each of them had pretty much "outgrown" it, but they still have goopy eyes from time to time. L-Lysine is very effective for FHV and sometimes has to be given for life. FCV is something I haven't seen much of, and one day I noticed Scarlett with what looked like an infected lip. These guys all play rough, and there have been several cases of torn eyes that have had to be treated, and I thought it was the same thing, caused by someone's claw. Took her to emergency because it was on a Saturday afternoon (figures!) and if she had an infection I didn't want to wait until I could get her in to our regular vet. The emergency vet diagnosed it as viral and not an infection, and forwarded the diagnosis of FCV to our vet. This was last summer; it went away in a week and it's never come back. But both of these viruses are prone to stress, so if there is stress in their life, it could bring on symptoms. Other than that, I don't worry about it. Just my experience with these. Good luck and don't beat yourself up.  SignatureCheryl > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > -- > Cheryl Hi Cheryl, Its me and, Bella and, 'homeless' kitty... Read this link I am sending. I think it will GREATLY help! www.belfield.com/Brochure.pdf K-- > > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > K-- Also, check out The Very Healthy Cat Book by Dr. Wendall O. Belfield > I'm happy to hear Tiggy is fine, and is isolated. Best wishes and > purrs for her and the kits health. Thank you, these purrs are very good for the soul & we are grateful for them, slaves & cats alike ,lol;o) I don't want to read too far into the situation & the fact that she is well now is excellent news, & far better than anything I could have hoped for when I took her in to the vets to find out how far along she was in her pregnancy ( you don't tend to do antenatal, unless you know that your cat is pregnant, do you?) Silly of me entirely not to realise that she was , but I honestly didn't notice until I found a bulge or two that I didn't anticipate, or plan for.. how foolish!! > As for herpes virus and calicivirus, I wouldn't worry too much > about it if Lucy doesn't seem sick. She's probably a carrier. Not > at all uncommon, and you've seen what a carrier can do, and you > wouldn't want to expose kittens to her. This was the information that we read into it too. I have been asked to take Lucy back in two weeks to repeat the tests that they have already done to confirm the diagnosis... I am heart broken, but try & imagine how Tilly feels? This is her precious cat that we are talking about here? She has been bubbling with tears all day over it!! I have tried to calm , cuddle & cure, but so far it hasn't had any effect.. I am sure that time will though.... I think that when we originally got this diagnosis, or possible diagnosis... Tilly thought that I would try & home her as fast as possible, so that she wasn't a threat to any of our other cats.... I HAVE REASSURED HER, that I will do nothing of the sort, but we want to know as much as possible so that we know how to treat Lucy (fur!), with regard to things like... do we allow her to roam free anymore..is it like letting loose a walking time bomb for other cats? Is there anything that we can do not to take her old life away from her..? To roam the meadow @ her leisure, to hunt, to be free? What is best for Lucy, as opposed to what is best for Tilly....?? No one knows better than me how easy it is for your emotions to get the better of you & allow it to cloud your judgement- the best thing for the cat in question.... Not fun, but manageable. I expected that................ > Scarlett and Rhett, now over 2-1/2 years old, were both very sick > with suspected and likely herpes virus, but no tests had been done [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but they still have goopy eyes from time to time. L-Lysine is very > effective for FHV and sometimes has to be given for life. I will look into L-Lysine as soon as I have finished posting Cheryl. > FCV is something I haven't seen much of, and one day I noticed > Scarlett with what looked like an infected lip. These guys all play [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > my experience with these. Good luck and don't beat yourself up. > Cheryl I will certainly try not to...<beat myself up> Actually, I have another couple of links that you might be interested to read too...especially if you have cats that are prone to one or the other, or worse, Both!! http://www.harpsie.com/cat_flu.htm http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm I found both of them to be extremely helpful & hope that you do too. Pay particular attention to the reply from Dr Margter muns as well? I also wanted to thank K, whilst I am here , for her input too. I will read your link shortly. I hope that you catch your cat & that Bella will accept her in good time. Your main object now, is to trap her, then vet her... you only have to worry about them getting on after you have trapped and treated her before your kitten season starts? (I am in the UK!) Best of luck there, & look forward to other chats regarding her Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you over some time now c& would love to fit some names to the faces, as long as you don't mind of course? thanks for all your support, in helping me make the best of a sad situation. I am trying not to be too upbeat, or down beat either. You make the best of what you have and work with it, hey? S;o) on Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:49:57 GMT, "sheelagh" > I will look into L-Lysine as soon as I have finished posting Cheryl. Sheelagh, Levi has FHV and has been very seriously ill with it at times-- especially when he was very tiny. After he was on L-lysine for several months, his outbreaks became milder and shorter in duration. At this point they might even go unnoticed if he wasn't literally attached to my lip so much of the time. Yesterday he had a few sneezes and his eyes were just a bit watery, but today he's got absolutely no symptoms. I plan to keep him on L-lysine indefinitely, just to be safe. The doseage of L-lysine for cats is 500 mg per day. The most economical formulation of L-lysine are the 500 mg capsules. I got mine at a health food store. I open up a capsule in the morning and sprinkle half the contents on his wet food, and then do it again in the evening. He doesn't seem to notice the taste at all. Lysine is an enzyme and it's harmless in the recommended doses, so I give Rudy the leftover food (when there is any). I try to make sure the powder is on the top of the food rather than mixing it in so I'm sure that Levi gets all or most of it. You can get some prefilled oral syringes with a tasty paste form of L- lysine that are certainly more convenient, but I found the price too prohibitive. I'm sorry to hear that Lucy(fur) has this and also FCV, and even sorrier that your feline family was effected so severely. Thank goodness that Tiggy is healthy, though! This makes me very happy for you, because even though the kittens will be born and reared someplace else, you will still get to enjoy them (just please use strict handwashing practices!). What little I know about FCV is that it can live on surfaces outside the body for a period of time, but not an obscene period of time. While it's nothing like ringworm and I don't think it will be the same ordeal you had to go through with that, you should do some research about how to clean and prevent reinfection. Unfortunately, these viruses/diseases are the risk we take when we keep multiple cats. What may be encouraging for you is that Rudy has shown absolutely zero signs of having contracted FHV from Levi, even those times when Levi was running green from every orifice on his face. I imagine that the FCV was what ran amok with your cats, and hopefully after this first exposure they will all have immunity to it again. Please understand that I'm not experienced with this, though, and haven't researched it, so definitely do some reading. I hope you will find what you learn to be reassuring. Sheelagh, you've really been through the mill lately. My heart goes out to you and all of your beauties. SignatureLynne > on Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:49:57 GMT, "sheelagh" > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > -- > Lynne Hi Lynne, Thank you for telling me about Levis & the Lysine. Is it 500mg for all cats, or according to weight/per allowance amount? I have been doing a bit of research & it does prove to be the best supplement that I can offer her by far. I notice that the cheapest place to buy it is in a Health Shop that we have over here called Holland & Barret. I will get some whilst in town tomorrow.. I have to take Paul to the hospital for a regular eye test for glaucoma. It helps to talk to other people who have been through this sort of thing. You know that the advice that they give you normally comes tried and tested & with good common sense added to it for measure. The Fcv is slightly different though. It looks like she will be a carrier for life & will continue to shed throughout her life.. which in itself is not a terrible thing as long as she doesn't come into contact with any vulnerable cats/kitten. I have spent the day wondering whether to start thinking about turning her into a an indoor cat only. as you know, when we first got Lucy(Fur!), it was when she was in a terrible condition, with that old collar that was growing into her neck because it was too small. She was riddled with flea's, & she was battling a terrible infection with a huge abscess around her neck too. She wouldn't allow any of us near her, & in the end submitted to Tilly, our daughter, with whom she has become firm friends for life. I ask myself 2 questions. 1: When the vet spayed her, we had a full panel of bloods done, & I was told that she had no problems at all...?(& paid for, because I have bill in front of me.. but no break down on the results at the time...?!) Odd, wouldn't you say? 2:From what I read, a carrier of Fvc continues to shed throughout their life. they can't help it, but it does make me wonder if it would be irresponsible of me to not convert her into a inside only cat? The reason I ask this is because Lucy(fur!), has ALWAYS been our most happy when she is an allowed out cat. Would it be unfair on Lucy to inflict this upon her? I feel that it would probably be the best idea, rather than infect other vulnerable cats.. but on the other hand, there must be gazillions of cats out there with it, & no one seems to be aware of the potential havoc it can wreck out there? Up until the latest avian flu issue became a debate in the UK recently, she has been allow to come and go more or less as she pleased... now I wonder what would be best to do, & for whom? Hand washing has just become a major issue here, & we are ALL TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE ALL FOLLOW THE GOLDEN RULE, I have bought some Hibiscrub, which is a hand-washing brand that kills all germs dead on the spot & we have a bottle next to every sink too, so no excuses from here on. We have decided that the less physical contact that we have with Tiggy, the better of she and her kittens will be... It's a bit sad, but OTOH, it's not the end of the world, & it more important to us that she has nice healthy kittens, than us getting the chance to pet them & possibly infect them~ That would be heart breaking, wouldn't it? S;o) We can see her via web cam every day if we wish to;o) > 1: When the vet spayed her, we had a full panel of bloods done, & I > was told that she had no problems at all...?(& paid for, because I > have bill in front of me.. but no break down on the results at the > time...?!) > Odd, wouldn't you say? not odd at all if the vet in question was that totally useless woman who nearly let Lilly die, wouldn't surprise me if cocked up the tests and/or the results > not odd at all if the vet in question was that totally useless woman > who nearly let Lilly die, wouldn't surprise me if cocked up the tests > and/or the results.. It was the same vet. she was the one that came out to see her here just before Xmas I believe. At the time, I was so grateful to her because she shaved her , removed the terrible restricting collar, injected her with antibiotics,,stitched her neck back up after treating her for the abscess it had caused.... that I was too grateful to even question that there might be something amiss. She also didn't charge me for coming out that day, or for the call out fee either. I only paid for the drugs & bandaging, & the Elizabeethan collar to stop Lucy going for her stitches... When someone shows you a kindness like that, you don't like to quibble about the bill, do you? It wasn't until I took her back to get her spayed after she recovered from the collar incident, that I asked her to do a full blood panel to tell us if there were any hidden nasty bits that we might need to know about. The panel; of bloods was done after she had the spay, & I can remember asking her if there was anything that I needed to be concerned about, I also distinctly asking if there was any concern, & she said, NONE!!? I never thought to question it at all... Would you? I now regret that of course. Paul went down there today, & just asked the receptionist if she wouldn't mind sending us out a copy of that report, blaming me for loosing it...& just telling her that we needed it for our records with regard to re homing her... I don't care what he told her really, as long as we get a repeat copy of it..! I want to read a breakdown of the bloods that she did then, so that I can question why that wasn't pointed out to us then @ that time, rather than finding out now, the hard way. It is not about revenge or ammunition, I just want to know why it wasn't picked up then? It was a very hard way to find out, when the price was almost the life of Lilly & the death of all of Belle's kittens S.. PS; Saw Tiggy today via web cam just lying flat on her back with all four legs in the air in a begging position..fast asleep on one of her best armchairs.. So she looks very well settled indeed. although we miss her, I am ever so pleased to see that she is comfortable enough to expose herself in a position like that..it shows us that she is relaxed, & that means a lot to us. I am glad that she seems happy S;o) > PS; Saw Tiggy today via web cam just lying flat on her back with > all four legs in the air in a begging position..fast asleep on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > relaxed, & that means a lot to us. I am glad that she seems > happy She sure sounds content, and I'm sure that must sting, but they're so resiliant and can adjust. You're doing the right thing for her and the kittens. SignatureCheryl > Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that > you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you > over some time now c& would love to fit some names to the faces, > as long as you don't mind of course? Do I have pictures? LOL I have a bajillion pictures. :) I have several online photo albums, so take your pick. The oldest album that sort of chronicles the illness of my heart cat, Shadow, and the introduction of Shamrock http://pets.webshots.com/album/48246898KBEaSJ Feral Bonnie's first album from her socialization http://pets.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM This album chronicles Scarlett and Rhett from the time they were kittens until recently (I need to put up new pics!) http://new.photos.yahoo.com/shambondow/album/576460762371497983#page1 And here is an album with more recent pictures of Shamrock and Bonnie: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/shambondow/album/576460762371498682 Hey, you asked for pictures, so don't blame me if you get bored. LOL SignatureCheryl on Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:58:17 GMT, Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: > Hey, you asked for pictures, so don't blame me if you get bored. LOL Hey! I remember looking at your photos a while back, but didn't put 2 and 2 together until just now. I love your Shamrock--both what you have posted about him and his amazing good looks!! (Your other cats are wonderful, too!) So today I was at the shelter and met a 1 year old cat that reminded me *someone* that I couldn't place. It was Shamrock! They even look alike. I forgot it was Shamrock who he reminded me of, though, until just now. He was all over me... god I wanted him, but the timing is just not right, unfortunately. I am leaving town for a week on Thursday. Today we were just there to visit with the cats and dogs. It was really hard to leave him, but probably for the best since we're getting a puppy on March 31 and that's going to be stressful enough for Levi. He was so sweet that I have no doubt he'll be snatched up, but you can bet I'll be checking on him. :) SignatureLynne > He was so sweet that I have no doubt he'll be snatched up, but > you can bet I'll be checking on him. :) You're right to think about keeping the stress level down for Levi, but you might be surprised about cats with purrsonalities like Shamrock. He came to me as a foster cat, and I took him to adoption shows 2x per month at PetSmarts and PetCo's per the foster agreement. No one wanted him, though everyone oooh'd and awww'd over his outgoing purrsonality, and how friendly he is. He wanted to be held, and he cried and cried in his little cage and when someone paid attention to him, he cried even more. I imagined him screaming to people, TAKE ME HOME WITH YOU!!! GET ME OUT OF THIS CAGE!!! I set a date that would be the last adoption show he would go to, and if he wasn't adopted by then, he would have a foreverhome with me. His last show, one of the employees of the pet store we showed in wanted him. At that point I realized that I had already decided his foster days were over, so I had to say no to him. I got so attached to him and his affectionate ways, but as affectionate as he was (and still is), he is also very aggressive toward me. It's all part of who he is. That, plus his allergies that have persisted make me glad he was never adopted. I'm not so sure anyone could have dealt with it. SignatureCheryl on Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:27:06 GMT, Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote: > You're right to think about keeping the stress level down for Levi, > but you might be surprised about cats with purrsonalities like [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > screaming to people, TAKE ME HOME WITH YOU!!! GET ME OUT OF THIS > CAGE!!! Wow, that is just like the guy I met today. What's not to love?? But you are right, Shamrock might not have been safe with anyone other than you. That's such a scary thought. I'll bet you feel pretty darn lucky that he ended up being yours! SignatureLynne >> Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that >> you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Hey, you asked for pictures, so don't blame me if you get bored. LOL Great albums, Cheryl -- a pictorial history of your owners. Some of Bonnie's pictures always remind me of Holly. MaryL > > Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that > > you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Cheryl i have only looked at the first album but I can see how lovely they all are, shadow looked gorgeous, what was the operation for? also scarlett and rhett are lovely too, such pretty little faces, and so bright eyed too, I bet they love blowing raspberries at that dumb dog from next door. what a gorgeous family. i particularly like the wondow sticker showing that there are cats inthe house should there be a fire, too often i think people are rescued and noone knows there are animals still in there, or just just do not think to check. If my house burnt down (god forbid) and my jessie was stuck inside and died inthe blaze I would rather then I had died in there with her instead of having to go on without her, although if i was conscious and able to get out myself she is the first thing i would grab obviously, everything else can go up in smoke. will look at the other albums now bookie > > > Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that > > > you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - OT: 2 things, the photos of Jessie were brilliant too by the way. I missed them, but then saw a referral regarding them., & I went back to have a look & there they were. My she is such a regal girl, isn't she? I think you could be right about the aging too. She looks Purrfect, & I would *Never* have guessed her age either. (we don't want to speak to loudly of these things because we don't like to upset her, do we?) And, the other thing was I agree with you so much- we had a house fire just over 4years ago, & the firemen went straight back into the house & grabbed both mother and kittens, before even attempting to put the fire out... Well done to them I say... you can replace material things, but not lives, can you? S;o) > Well done to them I say... you can replace material things, but not > lives, can you? > S;o)- exactly! and as most pets are part of the family i woudl be devastated if someone didn't bother to try and save their animals. i always think that humans know how to open doors and windows etc but cats and dogs dont; and they dont; always know which is the way out, can't read signs which say FIRE EXIT etc and will get really scared and panic and get hurt or die. all just part of the same idea that we are responsible for the animals we bring into our homes and not just ignore that responsibility when we feel like it. pets l;ook to us for protection and care and we owe it to them so much for the love and companionship they give us. make me so angry we peo9ple abuse an animals trust and shirk their responsibilities. which reminds me i have to go out now and look for a cat which apparantly some people have left behind when they moved away from a house nearby. Local cats protection rang this evening and asked if I coudl go round and the owners about to move are worried about it and found it when they went round to see the empty previously but they are not moving in for a while and live too far away to feed it themselves. can't believe some people would just move and leave a cat behind, how cruel. bookie > i have only looked at the first album but I can see how lovely > they all are, shadow looked gorgeous, what was the operation > for? That operation was for a botched feeding tube removal by an inept vet. A specialist, no less. I should have sued, but I had too much going on with dealing with his illness, then he was infected with FeLV by a transfusion following that surgery, too, then my son (only child) died in a car accident and I had no energy for a malpractice suit. > also scarlett and rhett are lovely too, such pretty little > faces, and so bright eyed too, I bet they love blowing > raspberries at that dumb dog from next door. what a gorgeous > family. Oh, they weren't afraid of her, though their tails puffed up. They weren't frightened enough from her barking to run them indoors, but I'm sure they had no idea WTF was making all that noise. LOL Actually, Jasmine got through my falling down fence, but there's no way she could get to the cats in the enclosure. > i particularly like the wondow sticker showing that there are > cats inthe house should there be a fire, too often i think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > able to get out myself she is the first thing i would grab > obviously, everything else can go up in smoke. A huge fear of mine, too. That sticker is all faded now, so it needs reprinting. Good reminder here to do that. I didn't reply to your thread of Jesse pictures, but she's gorgeous. I just love her splotchy face marks and her multi-colored striped tail. So unusual! SignatureCheryl >> i have only looked at the first album but I can see how lovely >> they all are, shadow looked gorgeous, what was the operation [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (only child) died in a car accident and I had no energy for a > malpractice suit. ------------ Cheryl, I'm so sorry. Best regards, ---Cindy S. On Tue 27 Feb 2007 09:21:14a, cindys wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav <news:45e43e74$0$28089 $4c368faf@roadrunner.com>: > Cheryl, I'm so sorry. Thank you. It's been just over 4 years now. SignatureCheryl > That operation was for a botched feeding tube removal by an inept > vet. A specialist, no less. I should have sued, but I had too much > going on with dealing with his illness, then he was infected with > FeLV by a transfusion following that surgery, too, then my son > (only child) died in a car accident and I had no energy for a > malpractice suit. Gosh!! I had no idea... I am so sorry to hear that you went through all of that. Even one of those issues is traumatic enough, but to juggle all 3, must have been so difficult for you. I admire your tenacity, & I'm so proud to hear that you have got through it.Our purrs present peace to you Cheryl How long did it take for your poor cat to recover from that? It must have been terrible for you @ the time? It seem so wrong that people can just do procedures to our pets, muck up, yet get away with it, doesn't it? I was agonising over whether to do anything about poor Lilly's treatment @ the vet surgery that I sent her to, & I have decided to go ahead. I didn't want to at first because @ least we brought her home again...but the more I thought about it, the more I realised that it was possibly luck alone that saved Lilly... She did not get the care that she deserved. She was left for over 36 hours within a closed premises where we had no access to her, She was left on a drip, with no one in attendance to treat her if it tissued, or worse, caused a thrombosis, & when we picked her up, we were told that she didn't have flu, because she was inoculated...all of which were wrong! Lynne was the one who got me to see the practicalities...I got her home first, then to another surgery straight away, which did care for her needs, & that included us as her prime carer's too. Once that was sorted, we checked out the legalities of it(courtesy of Bookie!!).. & we have just filled a complaint against her, in the hope that it never happens to another family and their beloved pet. Money is of no issue here. The bill is paid, but the fear is still there.It won't happen to me again because I now know better, but it could happen to someone else, & it is that , that I wish to avoid. > > also scarlett and rhett are lovely too, such pretty little > > faces, and so bright eyed too, I bet they love blowing > > raspberries at that dumb dog from next door. what a gorgeous > > family. They are, I agree;o) > Oh, they weren't afraid of her, though their tails puffed up. They > weren't frightened enough from her barking to run them indoors, but > I'm sure they had no idea WTF was making all that noise. LOL > Actually, Jasmine got through my falling down fence, but there's no > way she could get to the cats in the enclosure. It must have wrankled her fur, lol? > > i particularly like the wondow sticker showing that there are > > cats inthe house should there be a fire, too often i think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > A huge fear of mine, too. That sticker is all faded now, so it > needs reprinting. Good reminder here to do that. I agree. In our case, we had no stickers, but as soon as the brigade arrived, we told them that there was a mother & kittens in the top floor bedroom at the front of the house, & they went flying up there, & brought both her and her kittens out. They were all treated with oxygen because they were floppy & unresponsive with smoke inhalation. After 5mintutes of that, they were perked up & back to normal. The kitchen was gutted by fire, but that didn't matter, because you can replace kitchens, but you can't replace your nearest & dearest. We went round to the fire brigade later that week & took them some biscuits that my mother had made to say thank you to them for putting our cats first. They didn't have to, but they did! S;o) > Gosh!! I had no idea... I am so sorry to hear that you went > through all of that. Even one of those issues is traumatic > enough, but to juggle all 3, must have been so difficult for > you. I admire your tenacity, & I'm so proud to hear that you > have got through it.Our purrs present peace to you Cheryl Thank you. Like I just said to Cindy, it's been 4 years. My cats literally saved my life. They are my children now. I know that sounds hokey to some, but in this group, I know it doesn't. > How long did it take for your poor cat to recover from that? It > must have been terrible for you @ the time? It's all documented here on this group in google (key words "Shadow" and "hepatic lipidosis". From the time we had a definite diagnosis of IBD and he had the proper treatment to get him eating again it took 2 months with the feeding tube (he ate on his own after 5 weeks on the tube feeding, but another few weeks before it was removed "just to be sure"). He recovered from the surgery to remove the feeding tube fairly quickly, but he never really recovered from IBD. It's a horrible disease, and incurable. At best I think you can only try to manage the symptoms. One of the sad things about the botched feeding tube thing is that he never meowed again after that. His throat was damaged from her trying to pull it out the way it went in. Thing is, if I remember correctly, the flange is supposed to collapse so it comes out easily, but she put in a "dog-sized" tube with flange to "get more food into him faster", and it was just too big in diameter to fit through his throat. > It seem so wrong that people can just do procedures to our pets, > muck up, yet get away with it, doesn't it? Sure is. And not only muck up one thing. It was multiple things. I kept thinking "this woman is trying to kill my cat" and she said that a few times, too. That she felt she couldn't do anything right for him. She actually cried when she told me about the FeLV in the donor cat. > I was agonising over whether to do anything about poor Lilly's > treatment @ the vet surgery that I sent her to, & I have decided > to go ahead. > I didn't want to at first because @ least we brought her home > again...but the more I thought about it, the more I realised > that it was possibly luck alone that saved Lilly... I'm glad you will. Many won't, when it should have been done. Like me. I'm sorry for other animals that I wasn't strong enough to. I hate to think that she carelessly hurt another. > She did not get the care that she deserved. She was left for > over 36 hours within a closed premises where we had no access to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > me again because I now know better, but it could happen to > someone else, & it is that , that I wish to avoid. I wish you the best of luck and let me know how it turns out, ok? I'm glad Lilly will be ok, but it had to be scary being left alone for so long. > The kitchen was gutted by fire, but that didn't matter, because > you can replace kitchens, but you can't replace your nearest & > dearest. We went round to the fire brigade later that week & > took them some biscuits that my mother had made to say thank you > to them for putting our cats first. They didn't have to, but > they did! Yup, I agree. Things can be replaced, and if they can't, well they're just things. Animals are completely dependent on us, especially here where we keep them indoors. That was very nice of your mom to send such a personal thanks to the rescuers. SignatureCheryl > I was agonising over whether to do anything about poor Lilly's > treatment @ the vet surgery that I sent her to, & I have decided to go > ahead. > I didn't want to at first because @ least we brought her home > again...but the more I thought about it, the more I realised that it > was possibly luck alone that saved Lilly... good i am glad you are going to do something, and you have the back up of your new vet too remember? it is really necessary you do something and complain for the sake of other animals and pets who may not be as lucky as Lilly was. if anyone accuses you of trying to do it for the money tell them to sod off, it is not about the money it is about makgin sure it never happens again to any other poor animal. > She did not get the care that she deserved. She was left for over 36 > hours within a closed premises where we had no access to her, She was > left on a drip, with no one in attendance to treat her if it tissued, > or worse, caused a thrombosis, & when we picked her up, we were told > that she didn't have flu, because she was inoculated...all of which > were wrong! the incompetence of that vet just scares me, the royal college of vet surgeons need to know about this woman asap as she is endangering other animals by still practising. if it were a human she had mistreated or neglected like that there would be uproar and she would be struck off. lets hope the RCVS come down on her like a ton of bricks. everytime i read about poor lilly left inthat surgery without anyone to care for her it just breaks my heart bookie > That operation was for a botched feeding tube removal by an inept > vet. A specialist, no less. I should have sued, but I had too much > going on with dealing with his illness, then he was infected with > FeLV by a transfusion following that surgery, too, then my son > (only child) died in a car accident and I had no energy for a > malpractice suit. oh god, trhat all sounds awful, i know how that feels when you have no energy to fight anymore and it won't bring the person you miss back will it? your cats are there to heal the wounds left by all this, their cuddles and head butts are better than all the lawsuits and therapy money can buy bookie > oh god, trhat all sounds awful, i know how that feels when you > have no energy to fight anymore and it won't bring the person > you miss back will it? your cats are there to heal the wounds > left by all this, their cuddles and head butts are better than > all the lawsuits and therapy money can buy That they do, Bookie. When I described Shadow as my "heart cat", he knew when I was in dispair from my loss, and he would headbutt me and sort of screech at me while bumping my face with his as if trying to sing to me since he couldn't meow any more. Every time I cried, he came running to me, and this was a cat that didn't used to be affectionate. SignatureCheryl > > Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that > > you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Cheryl bonnie is gorgeous too! those big eyes! that sleek black fur! she is just lovely. that cat tree looks like fun too, lots of different height platforms for observing the world from. what happebned to bonnie's ear then that the tip was missing? > > Cheryl, do you have any photos of your slave drivers at all that > > you might be able to share? I have been corresponding with you [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Cheryl Thank you for sharing those photos with us. It helps build a mental image of the person with whom you speak to, without the need to meet them directly. ( I wonder if that makes any sense to you?) I didn't get bored at all, it gives you a real insight to the relationship that you share with your cats too. My youngest child, Tilly, now 10years old, sat behind me the other day whilst I was sorting my cat photos out & piped up with..."you know what Mum, the best way that we can get you take a photo of us, is to pick one of the cats up, then you take photos all day"....!! I didn't know whether to feel ashamed, or plain old embarrassed, lol, because unless I am taking photos of the kids for a reason, she is right.... She smiled, so I thought the best thing to do was smile with her and admit my faults & give her a big cuddle to show her that I aoppeciate her so much, lol... Great Photos, I didn't get bored at all, to be honest, I enjoyed looking at them, & I agree with Mary, she looks ever so much like Holly does. Solid Black & a touch of exotic in her linage somewhere down the line.. what do you think? Thanks! S;o) > I didn't know whether to feel ashamed, or plain old embarrassed, > lol, because unless I am taking photos of the kids for a reason, > she is right.... > She smiled, so I thought the best thing to do was smile with her > and admit my faults & give her a big cuddle to show her that I > aoppeciate her so much, lol... Your Tilly is very insightful! LOL Cats make such good subjects. Kids do, too, so I hope you got the hint. ;) SignatureCheryl > > I didn't know whether to feel ashamed, or plain old embarrassed, > > lol, because unless I am taking photos of the kids for a reason, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Cheryl I certainly did;o) I love taking photos of them all. The best one's are those which come from natural poses. ie:Not when you ask them to pose, more when you catch them doing something that is unique to them only.. whether it be chewing the end of a pencil during homework, or pulling a face at the thought of cabbage for dinner. The same applies to the cats too. Catching the character is a major issue in each photo. Your right, Tilly is very wise for her years. She is the youngest of 5children, with 3big brothers still @ home, so she is very good @ sitting back listening, then learning from them too.( Crafty little madam!!) She goes to have dinner with her grandma every Sunday, because my mum gives her a bit of female time & a huge Sunday roast, all just for her. Very resourceful, hey? I have also noticed recently, that she has been learning to take photos too. In this day and age, digital cameras are great for things like that. When I was a child, I wasn't allowed near the camera in case I either wasted the film, or did something to the camera- you don't get these problems with a digital camera though, & she can practise all she likes..I actively encourage it in fact. Photography for me, is all about capturing a memory & keeping it for life S;o) > Sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you with details and > results of tests, but we had to wait for them, & I've had no PC for a [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > error... > S. You have our heartfelt sympathy and purrs for a favorable outcome. MLB
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