Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2007
Any advice for my chronically sick kitty?
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jennd - 21 Feb 2007 15:19 GMT Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy road when he was small enough to fit curled up in my hand. That was 9 or 10 years ago. He was fairly healthy for several years, then had some foul- smelling diarrhea that persisted. Our vet treated him with metronidazole, then panacur, albon, amoxicillin, and steroids (over two or three years). They have drawn blood and found no abnormalities-several times. They have done fecal smears and floats and send-outs. One time a single Giardia cast was found, nothing else on the other tests.
We have 3 indoor-only cats, but Lucky has slipped out a time or two and chewed on grass outside the front door. The other two are healthy and on the chunky side. They all eat dry food, with occasional treats of canned. None of them are picky and the food is available at all times, two self-refilling feeders with two watering bottles, each set in a different room in case one of them is feeling shy.
Poor Lucky vomits 2-3 times per week, usually partly digested food. His stool is still foul-smelling liquid, and he does have occasional accidents before he gets to the litter box (there are 4 of those around the house). He weighs only about 7 pounds and looks so skinny, but acts fairly normal except for sometimes crying after bouts of diarrhea. We have tried multiple holistic and natural things such as pumpkin, rice, mashed potatoes, meat- chicken, turkey, beef (kinda hard for us, as we are vegetarians, but we know he loves it), and even beef and turkey-only baby food. He's been on many of the Science diets and is currently eating Avoderm. We have added probiotics, used Bene-bac, Benefiber or Acacia powder to try to add bulk. We're currently giving him Gastrigen capsules, a Chinese herbal med from Thorne Vetrinary.
Our vet has been so kind, but has no idea what to do for him, and has recently offered another round of metronidazole and amox together or to refer us to a larger city for scoping (which we would rather not put him through, especially because she doesn't think they would find anything, but possible IBS-which we are trying to treat him for). She has ruled out hyperthyroidism, pancreatitis, lymphoma, flv and fiv. He does have a heart murmur. He was only vaccinated when we first got him, as hubby took him to get looked over right away when he found him.
If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we are willing to try almost anything.
Thank you! JennD
cybercat - 21 Feb 2007 17:28 GMT > If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we > are > willing to try almost anything. Jenn, if the vet has addressed all of the medical issues, all I can think of is changing his food. Keep trying until you find something that firms up his stools. It could be an allergic reaction, or just an intolerance issue.
Kudos to you for caring enough about your cat to come to the newsgroup to ask this question AFTER you've already cared enough to take him to the vet repeatedly.
The real test of love is when you put your money where your heart is. I hope you figure it out.
jennd - 21 Feb 2007 19:21 GMT >> If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we >> are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >The real test of love is when you put your money where your >heart is. I hope you figure it out. Thanks, Cybercat! We do continue to do gradual diet changes. I think we're going to try some raw organic beef, though the thought of it makes me a little queasy. Thank you for the kudos- we truly do love our little furbabies and suffer greatly when they do! God bless, JennD
mlbriggs - 21 Feb 2007 18:29 GMT > Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a > way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Thank you! > JennD First of all, I am not an expert on cat diets. However, it seems to me that there have been too many diet changes. Medicines can cause intestinal upsets and food changes can too. Why not try giving her just one food that she will accept and not make any change for a while to see how that goes? Best wishes. MLB
cybercat - 21 Feb 2007 19:13 GMT >> before he gets to the litter box (there are 4 of those around the house). >> He [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > one food that she will accept and not make any change for a while to see > how that goes? Best wishes. MLB All I see above is Science Diet and Avo Derm, both full of grain--and some homemade food that is not designed for cats.
He might do better on a canned food that has little or no grain. Grain is the thing most allergic cats are allergic to.
cybercat - 21 Feb 2007 19:21 GMT > All I see above is Science Diet and Avo Derm, both full of grain--and > some homemade food that is not designed for cats. > > He might do better on a canned food that has little or no grain. Grain > is the thing most allergic cats are allergic to. Slight correction: Avoderm dry is full of grains, like all dry food. Avoderm Select Cuts Chicken is a wonderful canned food that has no grain at all.
To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has a grain allergy. Hard as it may be, if you keep the dry away from him, and feed him canned food only that has as its first ingredients real beef, chicken, lamb, etc., and no grains added, you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine.
I have a cat with terrible allergies, just what my vet calls "all over itchiness" that makes her miserable. Changing her to canned that has no grain made all the difference. It may be the same with your cat, but his reaction is gastrointestinal distress instead of itching. It's worth a try! And easier than trying to make the meat on your own. (The canned food has taurine and other things your cat needs, that homemade "people food" may not have.) Good luck!
Rene S. - 21 Feb 2007 19:32 GMT > "cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote> All I see above is Science Diet and Avo Derm, both full of grain--and > > some homemade food that is not designed for cats. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some > varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine. I agree with this. Wellness (canned) is another excellent brand that has no grains.
jennd - 21 Feb 2007 19:34 GMT >To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your >cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >has taurine and other things your cat needs, that homemade >"people food" may not have.) Good luck! Thanks again, Cybercat! In the past, canned food has caused explosive diarrhea, but it was not an exclusive diet. We will have to talk to the other two kitties or probably isolate Lucky, but it is worth a try to keep the dry away from him altogether. I do appreciate everyone's input. This has been a warm welcome! JD
Lynne - 21 Feb 2007 19:50 GMT > To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your > cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some > varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine. That was my first thought. Canned food with no grains is really the best option to at least try. If he won't accept wet food, try Felidae Chicken and Rice dry and try to gradually accustom him to wet food.
http://www.canidae.com/cats/chicken_and_rice/dry.html
 Signature Lynne
jennd - 21 Feb 2007 19:22 GMT >> Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a >> way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >one food that she will accept and not make any change for a while to see >how that goes? Best wishes. MLB Thanks, MLB! These diet changes have been gradual and over the period of the past 4 years or so. We do keep on one type for at least 6-8 weeks before giving up on it. He will eat almost anything, so it is not as frustrating as it could be to switch. Will keep searching. God bless, Jenn D
dgk - 21 Feb 2007 19:00 GMT >Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a >way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >was found, nothing else on the other tests. >... Sure sounds like ibd(s). There is a whole Yahoo group that deals with this: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/
jennd - 21 Feb 2007 19:27 GMT >>Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a >>way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Sure sounds like ibd(s). There is a whole Yahoo group that deals with >this: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/ Hi, DGK! Thanks for the direction. I may need to join that group. We have tried IBD-friendly foods and haven't seen success, but there may be some out there that we haven't heard of. God bless, JennD
Rhonda - 22 Feb 2007 00:15 GMT Hi there,
Poor kitty! Sounds like he has been through a lot. That's good that you're still trying everything to help him.
I would try to isolate foods first too. We had a cat with suspected food allergies and pancreatitus flare-ups (throwing up and yellowish diarrhea - sorry, I should have warned you.) We had him on IVD brand canned diet, an allergy food. Those foods have no grain and have one novel protein, like duck or venison, and one starch, like peas. The idea is to give them a limited ingredient food that has things that are different enough that they are safe for cats who have allergies to cat food. I would really suggest trying that. Don't let him sneak the other cat's food either or that would ruin any changes you're trying to accomplish.
If that doesn't help, I'd ask for a referral to an internist vet. They are specialists and are normally good at pinpointing problems. You do need a referral though to make an appt.
Good luck!
Rhonda
> Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a > way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Thank you! > JennD
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