Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2007
my cat in the cold
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David Mooney - 13 Feb 2007 22:32 GMT Hello to everyone in this group. I have 3 cats and they are not only outdoors cats but indoors cats as well. My eldest cat (Velvet, soon to be a 5-years old) likes to be outdoors, even in winter. I live on a farm.
The other day I was up before sunrise and I saw Velvet on the porch of a building nearby. I picked her up and could feel her body shuddering to the cold weather. She wasn't acting as though she was cold but I could tell by her shuddering she was really very cold.
I took her back into my residence and placed the heater so she could lay on my lap and get some heat from the electric heater. She was soon comfortably warm and the shuddering had stopped. This happened in the next 2 mornings as well and each time I brought her in so she could be warmed by the heater. She seems content with this arraingement but now I haven't seen her for 3 days although my neighbors claim they have seen her every day.
I have a cat door in one of my windows so my 3 cats can come and go as they please. For some reason Velvet chooses to live outdoors. She is welcome whenever she comes in and I reach down to give her a lot of loving. Still, my tuxedo cat named Romeo will often cause her to flee so I suppose Romeo may be the reason she doesn't come inside too much. However, I miss Velvet and hope she is okay. She handled the cold last year okay and chose to be outdoors but she was still opposed by Romeo, who is about 2 years old. Romeo is a fixed male cat. My other cat Rusty comes and goes as she wants and so does Romeo. It is going to get cold tonight and I want to bring her in and let her be by the heater. How can I turn an outdoor cat into a mostly indoor cat? At least for winter? Can anyone offer some advice?
Thanks in advance, David M
cybercat - 13 Feb 2007 22:46 GMT > How can I turn an outdoor cat into a mostly indoor cat? At least for > winter? Can anyone offer some advice? Keep the door closed. Cats will actually freeze to death even if they have a warm place to go, especially if there is some threat in the warm place they want to avoid. They're wonderful creatures, but all they have to work with are those little cat brains.
(I am not being a smart a.s--I have made outdoor cats indoor-only, and there is no easy way. Just don't let them out. And deal with lots of begging to go out, yowling, etc. After a while, they stop.)
I'm really glad you're looking out for Velvet. You might not have been paying attention and the story might have been very different. Good luck.
mlbriggs - 13 Feb 2007 22:58 GMT > Hello to everyone in this group. I have 3 cats and they are not only > outdoors cats but indoors cats as well. My eldest cat (Velvet, soon to be a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Thanks in advance, > David M Can you keep her in a separate room? Cats can freeze to death if they don't have good shelter. MLB
cindys - 13 Feb 2007 23:03 GMT > However, I miss Velvet and hope she is okay. She handled the cold last > year okay and chose to be outdoors but she was still opposed by Romeo, who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > an outdoor cat into a mostly indoor cat? At least for winter? Can anyone > offer some advice? ------- Hi, David! You've gotta find Velvet and bring her in. (I seem to get very involved with worrying about other people's cats.) Please let us know when she is safe and sound. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
sheelagh - 13 Feb 2007 23:11 GMT Try and show her some safe space, where she doesn't feel threatened by Romeo. There is no *easy fix* answer, but if you can possibly find the time to make her feel special, more than welcome & loved, she will come looking for it & you too. I really do wish you the best of luck & hope that yo get on well with this one. Keep us posted with how things are going? thanks! S;o)
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 13 Feb 2007 23:11 GMT >How can I turn an outdoor cat into a mostly >indoor cat? At least for winter? Can anyone offer some advice? Yeah, shut the damm door, that is if you really care.
kraut - 14 Feb 2007 13:29 GMT >>How can I turn an outdoor cat into a mostly >>indoor cat? At least for winter? Can anyone offer some advice? > >Yeah, shut the door, that is if you really care. I agree!! When someone complains they can not keep a cat in I ofren wonder what is wrong with the person when they can not control a 10 pound cat!!! Jeez people get real will you?!?!?! At least keep it in for the winter!!!
Rhonda - 13 Feb 2007 23:46 GMT David,
Sometimes you have to look at them as small kids instead of creatures that can make their own choices. She is choosing for whatever reason to put herself in danger. One day, you may find her in the morning and not be able to revive her.
Whatever the reason, she needs to stay inside at night. Just like for a kid -- you need to make that decision for her. Lock the cat door, lock the door to that room, whatever works out best.
Good luck,
Rhonda
> I have a cat door in one of my windows so my 3 cats can come and go as they > please. For some reason Velvet chooses to live outdoors. David Mooney - 14 Feb 2007 12:56 GMT > David, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> I have a cat door in one of my windows so my 3 cats can come and go as >> they please. For some reason Velvet chooses to live outdoors. Thanks Rhonda for yout post and thanks to all that answered my post. I was unable to find her this morning either. This makes 4 days that I haven't seen her yet. I worry about here. Thanks to Cindy, cybercat, mbriggs, sheelagh und haman.
Thanks, David M
cindys - 14 Feb 2007 13:56 GMT >> David, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > seen her yet. I worry about here. Thanks to Cindy, cybercat, mbriggs, > sheelagh und haman. ----------- Keep on looking and let us know when you find her. Speak with your neighbors and ask them to grab her if they see her again. Please keep us updated. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
David Mooney - 14 Feb 2007 14:53 GMT Hi Cindy,
I have found my cat a few minutes ago and she is safely indoors and is eating right now. She will stay inside as long as Romeo isn't around. But when Romeo comes in, he always wants to dominate and harass Velvet. I love Romeo but he is one reason Velvet will not stay inside. They cannot stay for long in the same room togehter but when I am holding Velvet Romeo doesn't challenge her.
Rusty, on the other hand, stands up to Romeo so Romeo pretty much leaves her alone. But when he does challenge her, Rusty puts up a defense. Good for her!! However, Rusty doesn't like Velvet either and I don't understand why. Velvet is a very good cat. She never acts aggressively around the other two. She is the oldest cat of the three.
This morning it was about 47 degrees, not as cold as I heard last night so Velvet wasn't as cold as she was the other days. Tonight will be cold so I will bring her in again as I usually do. I just hope Romeo doesn't spoil it.
Thanks for your concern, David M
Lynne - 14 Feb 2007 15:17 GMT on Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:53:46 GMT, "David Mooney" <dmooney@atmc.net> wrote:
> Tonight will be cold so I > will bring her in again as I usually do. I just hope Romeo doesn't > spoil it. Just keep her in. It's that simple.
 Signature Lynne
sheelagh - 14 Feb 2007 18:01 GMT > on Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:53:46 GMT, "David Mooney" <dmoo...@atmc.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Lynne I would too, but there might be a will she use a litter concern here? Just try and keep her in a different part of your house perhaps? They will work out their diufference's if they are forced to. No one likes to force another to accept, as you know how you would feel yourself. However, no one likes a bully either....try it? If it doesn't work out, then we will have to think about a plan B. I am Soooooo Glad you found her though, well done! S;o)
cindys - 14 Feb 2007 15:20 GMT > Hi Cindy, > > I have found my cat a few minutes ago and she is safely indoors and is > eating right now. Thank goodness!
>She will stay inside as long as Romeo isn't around. But when Romeo comes >in, he always wants to dominate and harass Velvet. I love Romeo but he is >one reason Velvet will not stay inside. They cannot stay for long in the >same room togehter but when I am holding Velvet Romeo doesn't challenge >her. David, I'm sure you have more than one room.
> Rusty, on the other hand, stands up to Romeo so Romeo pretty much leaves > her alone. But when he does challenge her, Rusty puts up a defense. Good > for her!! However, Rusty doesn't like Velvet either and I don't understand > why. Velvet is a very good cat. It's not about dislike. It's about pecking order. Every cat wants to be the top cat. Velvet is apparently in the lowest position of the cat pecking order in your house. Anyway, cats have minds of their own. We have an adorable, sweet little gray-furred cat named Daisy. She minds her own business and doesn't seem to bother anyone. When we adopted Daisy, the foster mom was especially glad (for Daisy's sake) because the other cats in the foster home "didn't like her" and kept harassing her. When she came to me, Alex (an otherwise benign, easy-going cat who was at the bottom of the pecking order in my house) immediately started cornering her and tormenting her. Daisy started having accidents in the kitchen. I thought it would be better for her if she could be an "only cat", so she went to live at my parents' house for five years (they didn't have any other cats). Everything was fine. Daisy didn't have any more "accidents." During the course of the five years, my father passed away. Last year, my mother's health deteriorated, and she felt she couldn't take care of Daisy anymore, so I brought Daisy back to my house in the hopes that things would be better this time.
My mix of animals has changed in the past five years. Molly (my Abyssinian cat) and Alvin (our dog) passed away, and we have added one additional permanent cat plus another foster to the mix who weren't here when Daisy was here the last time. Alex no longer torments her and she hasn't had any accidents, but there are still issues between her and the other animals. The foster cat is rather aggressive, and we have had a few really big cat fights between him and several of the other cats. The bottom line is this: I have set up my office (one of the bedrooms in my house) as Daisy's private room. During the day, she has the run of the house, but at night, she is confined to the office for her own safety, so she won't be attacked in the middle of the night. She has adapted very well to this arrangement and actually voluntarily spends the majority of her day sitting next to me while I work in my office/her bedroom.
The moral of the story is this: You have to keep Velvet inside for her own protection. You got lucky this time and got her back. Next time, you might not be so lucky. Fix up a room for her that she can stay in at night, where she's warm and safe and away from Rusty and Romeo.
>She never acts aggressively around the other two. She is the oldest cat of >the three. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > will bring her in again as I usually do. I just hope Romeo doesn't spoil > it. I don't understand why you are putting her outside again after what happened. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
bookie - 15 Feb 2007 00:29 GMT > > Hi Cindy, > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. neither do I, just keep her in,
anyway cindy has just said pretty much exactly what i have put above (sorry i just wrote something then read the posts below, DOH!) romeo and rusty are obviously bullying her and establishing a pecking order within their little community and territory an unfortunately right now velvet is at the bottom of the pile. If you want her to stay you have to do something; you have to keep her in whilst it is cold and also whilst she is indoors you have to protect her from the other two by creating a separate area for her to live in where she can feel safe and secure and protected from their bullying.
if you love velvet you will sort this out and do something in order to make her feel safer in what should be her own home.
please post back and tell us youhave done this, bookie
bookie - 15 Feb 2007 00:21 GMT > Hi Cindy, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thanks for your concern, > David M why are you letign her out at the moment at all? get a litter tray for the next few days and keep her in until the qweather becomes less severe. i am usually all for letting cats and very anti-keepign cats indoors but this one time I think it woudl be best for her sake.
there is obviously tension between romeo and velvet so perhap syou coudl confine him to a couepl of rooms in the house, say just downstairs perhaps, and do so with her elsewhere inthe house, keep her upstairs perhaps. separate their food and feeding areas, do not feed them together, keep them as far apart as you can, make som areas no-go areas for romeo so that velvet can get some peace, get a litter tray upstairs for her and one downstairs for him and the other cat so they can all lead separate lives. Most of all you want to make a part of your house home for velvet as well and for her to view an area of it to be safe and inviting and where she will feel protected and free from the bullying of romeo, only then will she not choose to go outside and freeze to death in preference to coming indoors. This is all so obvious i do not know why you have not done it all before.
cats can be horrible bullies when they put their little feline minds to it, and it usually psychological bullying and revolves around possesion of territories and controlling access to resources such as food, water and toilet facilities. Do you have litter trays indoors? i hope then that you have more than one, preferably at least 3 since you have 3 cats. If romeo decided to bully velvet then one tactic he might use woudl be to guard the litter tray so she could not use it and that would force her to either go outside (and not come back) or withhold urine resulting in terrible bladder problems such as cystitis etc (and pricey vet treatment). If you have more than one tray and ptu one upstairs specifically for velvets use then romeo could not manage to stop her using both at the same time (cats are amazing creatures but they have not yet mastered omnipresence as far as i know), so at least velvet can then go to the loo in peace. I mean how would you like it if the school bully came round and stopped you going to the loo cos you were scared he would beat you up if you dared go near the bathroom? You get it? similar with food and water too.
now then get that damn cat indoors, lock the cat flap, windows, doors, everything, keep her and romeo apart and give them separate resources as much as you can, and let's have an end to this silliness. I have an application form to fill in for a job in cambridge I know I will not even get an interview for so I have things to do now.
bookie
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